Author Topic: New Toad (Read 26432 times)

john e. holliday · « **Reply #200 on:** January 17, 2011, 10:38:25 AM »

Check the year of this pic and what I think is a little Mercury sitting curbside.

I see the year didn't show up. It was June 1954. jeh

wwwarbird · « **Reply #201 on:** January 17, 2011, 11:53:31 AM »

Well Homie, we already have a plane called "LA Heat", you could call this one "East LA"?

Randy Powell · « **Reply #202 on:** January 17, 2011, 06:46:02 PM »

Well, it's about done. The gear is a lot longer than I wanted, but it won't let the prop clear otherwise. Sigh...

But hey, it's not too bad, I guess. Just the tank to build and I plumb and it's final sanding time and finish. A couple of pics attached with the jig still sticking out the nose. The good news is, the final, all up weight is 26oz so that should let me come in under 55oz final weight. The tail wheel is a little long, so I'll have to set that better.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #203 on:** January 17, 2011, 08:20:43 PM »

It just drools cool Randy!!! I like it!!!

wwwarbird · « **Reply #204 on:** January 17, 2011, 10:01:24 PM »

Pretty cool Randy, it'll be interesting to see what you come up with for a paint scheme now. Studying your side view shot here I could imagine a super bright Tangerine pearl or some sort of wild purple, or both. Either color would work well with a bright silver trim of some sort to add some "chrome". The real life big time lowrider show cars seem to be largely about the bright loud paint, so for the plane I'd suggest the less white the better. With your eye for graphics I'm sure we're in for a good one with whatever you decide.

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #205 on:** January 17, 2011, 11:18:26 PM »

You know what would have looked Killer. ( not that is doesnt already....

)

If you could match the dorsal fins to the shape of the Spats !

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #206 on:** January 17, 2011, 11:43:09 PM »

Quote from: john e. holliday on January 17, 2011, 10:38:25 AM

Check the year of this pic and what I think is a little Mercury sitting curbside.

I see the year didn't show up. It was June 1954. jeh

My dad had a hot rod 1941 cabover truck, like the one behind the Merc, only with the front windows un-chopped.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #207 on:** January 18, 2011, 09:47:35 AM »

PJ,

The wheel pants actually are a stretched version of the rudders. They are point and the rudders have a scallop, but I too the actual template of the rudders and just stretched it out.

Actually, at this point I don't have a clue as to paint scheme. But I'll come up with something, I guess.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #208 on:** January 18, 2011, 06:20:32 PM »

Quote from: Ty Marcucci on January 18, 2011, 02:38:31 PM

Lo Rider? Lo Flyer. Keep it basic white with some gold and red trim. Simple but snappy. With that look, busy is , in my opinion, the wrong direction for a paint scheme. Enhance it's beauty, don't hide it.

I'd agree with clean and fairly simple graphics, and not too many colors, but go BRIGHT and LOUD with whatever colors are used.

No white on this baby, just adds generic-ness.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #209 on:** January 19, 2011, 12:52:51 AM »

Baby Blue with sparkles?

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #210 on:** January 19, 2011, 10:49:04 AM »

Lime sherbet green,,

John Miller · « **Reply #211 on:** January 19, 2011, 02:04:05 PM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on January 19, 2011, 10:49:04 AM

Lime sherbet green,,

With a very dark canopy, and just a touch of black and white pin striping.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #212 on:** January 19, 2011, 04:30:00 PM »

>>Lime sherbet green,,<<

Been there, done that.

Still scanning for that yellow/gold base color. I suppose I should just go to my paint guy and look. But that would mean I'd have to put in effort. Sigh...

wwwarbird · « **Reply #213 on:** January 19, 2011, 06:02:59 PM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on January 19, 2011, 10:49:04 AM

Lime sherbet green,,

Maybe a WWII German camo scheme, something like you'd see on, oh I don't know, an ME-109?

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #214 on:** January 20, 2011, 11:22:21 AM »

Wayne,,
I sense a thinly vieled nudge there,, yeah, Camo German patterns,, like a 109,, not thinking that will work for RAndy, but I know a plane it will work on,,
still have time,,

Randy Powell · « **Reply #215 on:** January 20, 2011, 11:24:53 AM »

OK, guys, I think I found my color. Should work. I did a test panel and it doesn't look bad at all and was largely what I was going for to begin with.

jose modesto · « **Reply #216 on:** January 20, 2011, 01:51:16 PM »

Randy that's one BAD machine. It reminds me of the models of my youth early 1970's the wheel pants Jimmy Cassale 46 Spectrum and the tween rudders Gene Schaffer.
Truly beautiful
Photo Genes tween rudder USA AMA
Jose Modesto

Randy Powell · « **Reply #217 on:** January 20, 2011, 01:54:45 PM »

Thanks Jose. I had some other ideas I wanted to incorporate, but decided that it was cool enough and I wanted it to stay light.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #218 on:** January 22, 2011, 07:22:52 AM »

Too late to consider this scheme I suppose. Even tho blue does get hot in summer.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #219 on:** January 22, 2011, 05:54:05 PM »

Do,

I actually like that quite a bit. But work on the plane is stalled. The thermostat on my wall heater appears to have gone belly up. So work is suspended while I try to hunt down a replacement. It appears it's a hard to find item (or at least I can't find one online yet).

Sigh... It's always something.

FLOYD CARTER · « **Reply #220 on:** January 22, 2011, 06:16:15 PM »

R.P. Why are your planes always called "toad"? They look much too good to have that name!

Someday I'll be able to paint like you do.

Floyd

Randy Powell · « **Reply #221 on:** January 22, 2011, 06:53:37 PM »

Floyd,

They are toads until they prove otherwise. This one has the potential to be a swan. But it hasn't proved it yet.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #222 on:** January 23, 2011, 02:12:33 PM »

maybe they should be catapillars then when they come out of the cacoon, they will be moths or butterflies

Will Hinton · « **Reply #223 on:** January 23, 2011, 02:44:05 PM »

Most of mine end up turkeys.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #224 on:** January 23, 2011, 07:33:29 PM »

Nope, Toads it is. Warts and all until they prove otherwise. This one is looking pretty good so far. But so did the last one until I weighed it before finishing. Then it was definitely a toad.

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #225 on:** January 23, 2011, 08:40:29 PM »

When you starting the paint Randy?

I am weird. I think the opposite, I think they are all Champions until proved otherwise.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #226 on:** January 23, 2011, 10:56:40 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on January 23, 2011, 07:33:29 PM

Nope, Toads it is. Warts and all until they prove otherwise. This one is looking pretty good so far. But so did the last one until I weighed it before finishing. Then it was definitely a toad.

Well, as long as it doesn't end up being a "Lead Sled". Wait a minute, look back to page two...

Randy Powell · « **Reply #227 on:** January 24, 2011, 10:01:49 AM »

Wayne,

So far, it doesn't appear this will be a lead sled. I finished the tank yesterday (heating the shop with the kerosene heater - sigh...). Just have to come up with a way to hold it in place (with very limited space). I have a couple of ideas. Projected final weight is still in the 55oz range which is the ballpark.

PJ,

Hope to start the finish this weekend and I'll restart a new thread in the finishing area.

Bill Little · « **Reply #228 on:** January 24, 2011, 11:24:47 AM »

Brother Randy,

I found the solution to your dilemma:

Just find a Princess to kiss your "toad"....... problem solved.

Big bear

wwwarbird · « **Reply #229 on:** January 24, 2011, 01:36:33 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on January 24, 2011, 10:01:49 AM

Wayne,

So far, it doesn't appear this will be a lead sled. I finished the tank yesterday (heating the shop with the kerosene heater - sigh...). Just have to come up with a way to hold it in place (with very limited space). I have a couple of ideas. Projected final weight is still in the 55oz range which is the ballpark.

...just razzin' ya Randy, can't wait to see the paint Homie!

Randy Powell · « **Reply #230 on:** January 31, 2011, 10:00:58 AM »

Well, I finally completed the beast and it's ready for finish. Just need to final sand. Spent the weekend finishing up the tank and getting the cowl to fit around it, setting up a method to hold the tank in place and doing tank vents in the fuselage (that was interesting considering the theme). I put it all together; ready to fly except finish. I do this to come up with a finishing budget.

Sigh .... it's not as light as I would like, but I can't imagine what I'd do to make it lighter without compromising the structural integrity. Guess I'll need to do some study on that. At least it's very stiff and straight without covering. All up weight, ready to finish is 46oz. That gives me only a 9oz finishing budget to hit the target weight. That should be OK. The last plane's finish was 6oz. I'll use the same method, more of less. Truth is, I'll be happy with anything under 60oz so I have a bit of space. I just think it will fly better at around 55oz. It's about 620 square inches with a relatively thin wing (about 19%).

So, I will move this epic to the finishing header once I get started. As I say, I need to final sand it and check for anything missed. Then it's start painting.

John Leidle · « **Reply #231 on:** January 31, 2011, 11:43:47 AM »

Randy,
You can put a single pole switch in your heater untill you find the correct stat. Just tape the H#*! out of it. Better than breathing carbon from the kerosene heater.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #232 on:** January 31, 2011, 02:02:02 PM »

Yea, the new thermostat (with integrated fan control) is supposed to be here tomorrow. Take about a half hour to put the thing back together.

Sigh...

Bill Little · « **Reply #233 on:** January 31, 2011, 09:18:45 PM »

Quote from: PJ Rowland on January 23, 2011, 08:40:29 PM

When you starting the paint Randy?

I am weird. I think the opposite, I think they are all Champions until proved otherwise.

In case you haven't already caught on, PJ, Randy is just ate up with self depreciation......

(I love the guy!)

Big Bear

Randy Powell · « **Reply #234 on:** February 01, 2011, 10:15:51 AM »

Bill,

I think it's a matter of perspective. You know the axiom: expect victory but plan for defeat.

It's looking less toad-like at this point. May even be a good plane.

Bill Little · « **Reply #235 on:** February 01, 2011, 10:37:26 AM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on February 01, 2011, 10:15:51 AM

Bill,

I think it's a matter of perspective. You know the axiom: expect victory but plan for defeat.

It's looking less toad-like at this point. May even be a good plane.

Hi Buddy,

It is all about how you approach things. If you start with the "toad" expectations and it comes up a Prince, then it makes you a lot happier!

Have you found that "Princess" yet?

Big Bear

Randy Powell · « **Reply #236 on:** February 02, 2011, 12:37:06 PM »

Been married to her for 34 years.

Finally settled on paint colors. I am waiting for some stuff from HOK and will head down to the paint shop on Friday for the base color.

And my switch for my heater came last night so I will get that in tonight and be off and running again.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #237 on:** February 02, 2011, 01:56:57 PM »

Bill Little · « **Reply #238 on:** February 02, 2011, 02:10:17 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on February 02, 2011, 12:37:06 PM

Been married to her for 34 years. (snip)

Hmmmm.......... 40 years here.

I would have HATED to see you before you met her. I am visualizing a kinda short, green colored guy jumping around......... I understand where all your "toad" comments come from now! LOL!!!!!!!!

Good luck with the HOK and base coats. I have absolutely no doubt it will be a "looker" when you get finished. They always do.

Big Bear

PerttiMe · « **Reply #239 on:** February 03, 2011, 12:21:19 PM »

Maybe this is obvious but ... the tail is straight and the fins are angled a few degrees, like some other designs with similar configurations. Right?

Randy Powell · « **Reply #240 on:** February 03, 2011, 05:21:35 PM »

Well, the rudders and fuse are aligned (no offset). There's about a degree and a half of stab positive incidence. The engine and wing are straight (no offset).

PerttiMe · « **Reply #241 on:** February 04, 2011, 12:30:35 AM »

Engine and rudders straight... I must have seen too many old designs where they are offset for line tension

So, the leadout guide is the main variable if you want more or less tension. I like that.

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #242 on:** February 04, 2011, 12:45:11 AM »

* Chanting.. *

" NEW THREAD ! NEW THREAD ! NEW THREAD "

We want to see primer on that Toad.. - Im putting off putting on primer waiting for you. - Mind you did finalise gaps and everything last night.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #243 on:** February 04, 2011, 09:37:35 AM »

>>So, the leadout guide is the main variable if you want more or less tension.<<

That and tip weight along with prop type and line length. Well, there's engine speed and ....

Better to have everything aligned and square then adjust from there.

Hope to have the thing covered this weekend. Picked up a bit of a bug so I don't know how much time I'll be able to stand out in the shop, but hey, at least the electric furnace is working again.

Bill Little · « **Reply #244 on:** February 04, 2011, 01:49:49 PM »

Quote from: PerttiMe on February 04, 2011, 12:30:35 AM

Engine and rudders straight... I must have seen too many old designs where they are offset for line tension
So, the leadout guide is the main variable if you want more or less tension. I like that.

The top designers in the USA all preach 0-0-0 for the alignment. A couple insist on a degree or two of positive stab, or a degree or two of down thrust, but no offsets. Get the plane flying tangent to the circle and it will fly best. and outward crabbing is unwanted.
Not everyone around the World seems to see it the same, I guess.

Big Bear

PerttiMe · « **Reply #245 on:** February 08, 2011, 03:53:24 AM »

Quote from: Bill Little on February 04, 2011, 01:49:49 PM

The top designers in the USA all preach 0-0-0 for the alignment. ...
...
Not everyone around the World seems to see it the same, I guess.

0-0-0 sounds good to me. Why complicate things if "straight" works?

The saga of the "Aircraft Formerly Known as Toad" continues: http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=20423.0

Randy Powell · « **Reply #246 on:** February 08, 2011, 09:44:08 AM »

PerttiMe,

Well, the last 3 or 4 planes have been 0-0 one the wing and engine but have had a degree or so of positive incidence in the stab. At least for me, that tend to cure hunting.

I'm thinking of naming it Noxious.

Author Topic: New Toad (Read 26432 times)

John Leidle