Author Topic: New Toad (Read 26520 times)

wwwarbird · « **Reply #150 on:** December 19, 2010, 11:56:18 PM »

Thanks Randy. Staying tuned...

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #151 on:** December 20, 2010, 05:03:09 PM »

Randy,
call me, I have some numbers for you

Randy Powell · « **Reply #152 on:** December 20, 2010, 09:37:45 PM »

Well, the flap is toast so I started framing up another. That's OK. Should be able to whip a new one out in a day or so.

Mark, I'll give you a call tomorrow night. Thanks.

Bill Little · « **Reply #153 on:** December 21, 2010, 09:20:02 AM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on December 20, 2010, 09:37:45 PM

Well, the flap is toast so I started framing up another. That's OK. Should be able to whip a new one out in a day or so.

Mark, I'll give you a call tomorrow night. Thanks.

Sounds like the paint code mystery is solved! Hip, Hip, Hooray!

Randy Powell · « **Reply #154 on:** December 21, 2010, 12:39:51 PM »

Bill,

Possibly. Mark provided the codes (Thanks Mark!!), but in some ways it more complicated. I'm considering the options and will decide the direction. I think Mark's Avenger paint scheme was extremely cool and perhaps that is driving the idea of a darker base color.

Right now, I think I'll just paint it white, put an AMA number on and go flying. Or not.

Bill Little · « **Reply #155 on:** December 21, 2010, 12:42:31 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on December 21, 2010, 12:39:51 PM

Bill,
(snip)
Right now, I think I'll just paint it white, put an AMA number on and go flying. Or not.

Hi Randy,

LOL!!!!!!!! I know that ain't gonna happen, no way, no how.

Bill

Will Hinton · « **Reply #156 on:** December 21, 2010, 03:07:04 PM »

What Bill said.
Will

Randy Powell · « **Reply #157 on:** December 21, 2010, 03:17:43 PM »

Ever seen Jackson Pollock's No.1 ? Could end up like that. He, he.

Truth is, I'm finally starting to form an idea. The color I'd hoped to use is probably going to be too complicated to use, but I came up with a backup plan.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #158 on:** December 21, 2010, 10:04:02 PM »

Monokote huh?

Randy Powell · « **Reply #159 on:** December 22, 2010, 12:34:30 PM »

Hey, you never know.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #160 on:** December 22, 2010, 05:49:59 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on December 22, 2010, 12:34:30 PM

Hey, you never know.

Correct, but I'm bettin' not.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #161 on:** December 22, 2010, 10:56:24 PM »

Randy,, its sure no more complicated than a certain lollipop green novi I seem to recall,,
In anycase, glad I could come up with the formula, If I were closer, I could help your paint guy combine the two into a single coat that would look close,, Still think you should go for it, heck whats a couple ounces on that light airframe you have going,

John Leidle · « **Reply #162 on:** December 23, 2010, 04:02:24 AM »

Randy, are you trying to come up with some kind of metalic color? If so ,,,what?
John

Randy Powell · « **Reply #163 on:** December 23, 2010, 04:00:57 PM »

Hi John,

I was originally looking for a yellow metallic. Ford Mark and I were talking about Ford yellow blaze metallic. But it's a three stage color and would probably require too many coats and too much weight. May still use it for a trim color if I can fine a close match that is a single stage color.

Bill Little · « **Reply #164 on:** December 23, 2010, 04:30:39 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on December 23, 2010, 04:00:57 PM

Hi John,

I was originally looking for a yellow metallic. Ford Mark and I were talking about Ford yellow blaze metallic. But it's a three stage color and would probably require too many coats and too much weight. May still use it for a trim color if I can fine a close match that is a single stage color.

hmmm......... seems you could still use the toners in dope like you usually do.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #165 on:** December 23, 2010, 04:39:01 PM »

Bill,

Well, the only way to get it right, I'd really need to shoot some kind of metallic silver underneath then a transparent toner on the top. I'm thinking about doing just that. Shooting either silver or bronze metallic then something like Spanish Gold candy over the top. We'll see.

Bill Little · « **Reply #166 on:** December 23, 2010, 04:47:01 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on December 23, 2010, 04:39:01 PM

Bill,

Well, the only way to get it right, I'd really need to shoot some kind of metallic silver underneath then a transparent toner on the top. I'm thinking about doing just that. Shooting either silver or bronze metallic then something like Spanish Gold candy over the top. We'll see.

How about HOK gold candy base and then the candy gold over that? Add some gold pearl powder to the candy gold. Or better yet, gold micro flakes.

Mark Scarborough · « **Reply #167 on:** December 23, 2010, 06:18:52 PM »

Actually this color, the Blaze yellow, is a different sort of three stage, normally there is a pearl or metallic base, then a transparent type "candy" over that, this one has a non metallic base,, then it has a candy with pearl in it that sprays over it,, or so it appears from the formula.
So Randy its pretty much what your talking about. Typically in factory three stage colors, the base undercoat is pretty much the same color as the top coat excepting the pearls and candy, which just add depth..

John Leidle · « **Reply #168 on:** December 27, 2010, 01:26:09 PM »

Randy,
The reason I asked is I discovered 2 years ago a metalic supplier the company is " Paint With Pearls" he has several types of flakes & they cover extreamly well. If you Google it ,,it will come up .
john

Randy Powell · « **Reply #169 on:** December 27, 2010, 09:08:59 PM »

John,

Thanks for the tip. May look at that.

Bill Little · « **Reply #170 on:** December 27, 2010, 11:37:00 PM »

Quote from: Mark Scarborough on December 23, 2010, 06:18:52 PM

Actually this color, the Blaze yellow, is a different sort of three stage, normally there is a pearl or metallic base, then a transparent type "candy" over that, this one has a non metallic base,, then it has a candy with pearl in it that sprays over it,, or so it appears from the formula.
So Randy its pretty much what your talking about. Typically in factory three stage colors, the base undercoat is pretty much the same color as the top coat excepting the pearls and candy, which just add depth..

Sound like the "special paint scheme" that Holman/Moody applied to the Ford Factory galaxies for the '63 Southern 500. FoMoCo ad execs wanted to see some colors/paint types they were considering for their street models. The one Banjo Matthews was told to use was a "Pearl Yellow". He laid on a coat of the yellow he had been assigned to use for the regular season, mixed some yellow pearl in the next coat (quite a bit of it! LOL!! ), and then shot the clear over the top. When that car was rubbed out, it was SWEET! All the factory cars were pearl coated for that race, and a couple were actually based with HOK Candy paints... They carried the same main paint schemes through the remaining races. Fred Lorenzen's Wimbledon White car had so much pearl added that it looked "silver" in the light, and showed up as a very light gray in blk/wht pictures! LOL!!

Slight problem, the paint they had to use was not real UV protected. A car could change colors during the week of practice from being out in the sun! LOL!!

So much for the tactic of special paint schemes for certain races being a "Modern" thing......

Randy Powell · « **Reply #171 on:** December 30, 2010, 09:59:32 AM »

Bill,

Hard to tell what I'll do in the end. Right now, I'd just like to get the thing built. I'm dawdling over cowl attachment methods right now. I have the cowl pretty much carved out and ready (except for some finishing work), but I can't decide on a cowl attachment method. I had a sort of tricky idea to attach it, but now I'm thinking of something just straight forward. Guess we'll see what I come up with this weekend. Then I just have to do the gear and I'm ready for final sanding and to start finishing. When I get there, I'll worry more about paint (though your email did give me an idea).

On another note, I weighed the airframe with the cowl. That's everything but gear and cowl attachment hardware (whatever that ends up being) and right now I'm at 22oz for all that. Gear should be no more than 4oz total with wheels and the hardware for the cowl, say, 1/2oz. So that gives me 26 1/2oz or so complete. I weighed the powertrain (engine, pipe, header, tank). That's about 15oz. So that gives me 41 1/2oz. I'm guessing some odds and ends will add another ounce or so. That gives me a finishing budget of around 10oz. So I'm still on target for a final weight of around 53oz. So that at least is cool.

Bill Little · « **Reply #172 on:** December 30, 2010, 10:08:49 AM »

Yep, if you don't pull a "Champione" with the final clear coats, you should be in high cotton! I really like the looks of the plans, and a fairly "simple" paint scheme with a concentration the base color should really be a "looker". IMPO simple would really suit the looks of the airframe.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #173 on:** December 30, 2010, 12:59:15 PM »

One color, with some panels that don't contrast too sharply. Borders around the panels.

... but I am no artist ...

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #174 on:** December 30, 2010, 01:04:55 PM »

Quote from: Bill Little on December 30, 2010, 10:08:49 AM

Yep, if you don't pull a "Champione" with the final clear coats, you should be in high cotton! I really like the looks of the plans, and a fairly "simple" paint scheme with a concentration the base color should really be a "looker". IMPO simple would really suit the looks of the airframe.

IMPO? Shouldn't that be IMPBO? "In my Po' Boy Opinion"?

Steve

PS: I still can't figure out (or remember) "IIRC". What's anything got to do with RC?

Bill Little · « **Reply #175 on:** December 30, 2010, 03:15:50 PM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on December 30, 2010, 01:04:55 PM

IMPO? Shouldn't that be IMPBO? "In my Po' Boy Opinion"? Steve

PS: I still can't figure out (or remember) "IIRC". What's anything got to do with RC?

Po' Boy' has always been a good descriptor of my situation in life, but it's all gravy!

If I Recall Correctly, that is............

Allan Perret · « **Reply #176 on:** January 01, 2011, 03:14:26 PM »

Early on in the thread you mentioned something about a different type of flap construction.
What did you end up with for the flaps ?

Randy Powell · « **Reply #177 on:** January 01, 2011, 10:00:23 PM »

Allan,

Well, in the end I just framed up a flap out of 1/8" hard sheeting and used a soft and light sheeting. They were stiff enough. I did an experiment using a molded carbon core, but in the end, while exceedingly stiff, was just too heavy. A half ounce for the flaps I used versus an ounce and a quarter for the ones with the molded core. I was originally going to use two identical flaps and tabs on the end but in the end decided to go with full span flaps that were equal in area but not length. Hope they work out, I hate doing a wart.

Finished up the cowl stuff today. the mating is drying right now. Tomorrow, I'll pop it off and get the cowl blocked down. then I can finally get to the gear. Not coming out too bad so far.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #178 on:** January 03, 2011, 09:58:46 AM »

Well, heck. I think I'm going to cut the canopy off and do it again. I used some CA to glue a part down in the canopy and didn't wait long enough for it to cure properly. I pulled the tape over the canopy and there is some fog right over where the part was glued.

Sigh...

Oh well, I can go back and fix a couple of other things I wasn't all that happy with I guess. The cowl is done anyway. Just need to fix this and build the gear.

Will Hinton · « **Reply #179 on:** January 05, 2011, 01:52:29 PM »

I hope I didn't jinx you, Randy - sounds like my goof may have set off some others! Sorry!

I hate do-overs!
Will

Randy Powell · « **Reply #180 on:** January 05, 2011, 09:12:12 PM »

Yea, yea, that's it. It's all Will's fault. Had nothing to do with my bad decision making.

Will Hinton · « **Reply #181 on:** January 06, 2011, 02:10:18 PM »

"Yea, yea, that's it. It's all Will's fault. Had nothing to do with my bad decision making."

Right, and everything to do with mine! At least the full moon has shifted!

Randy Powell · « **Reply #182 on:** January 06, 2011, 09:52:04 PM »

Been a tough week and I haven't been out to the shop since Sunday. Hopefully, I can get out there tomorrow night and decide if I want to cut the canopy off. Man, the fillet came out perfectly, too. Sigh...

Bill Little · « **Reply #183 on:** January 06, 2011, 09:57:20 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on January 06, 2011, 09:52:04 PM

Been a tough week and I haven't been out to the shop since Sunday. Hopefully, I can get out there tomorrow night and decide if I want to cut the canopy off. Man, the fillet came out perfectly, too. Sigh...

Randy, my boy, tomorrow is Friday! And I'm pretty sure yuou "don't do weekends" at work, so that is a good thing!

Just have them raise the bar two inches and go for it. I have all the faith in the world that you will be more than capable of accepting the challenge, and overcoming the "dastardly canopy dilemma"!

Big Bear

Randy Powell · « **Reply #184 on:** January 12, 2011, 08:48:48 PM »

Here's the latest: everything but the gear.

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #185 on:** January 12, 2011, 10:05:46 PM »

Why dont you get onto finishing that back wall instead

*grinz.. *

Whats the toad called Randy? Will it be done for 2011 Nats?

wwwarbird · « **Reply #186 on:** January 12, 2011, 10:10:30 PM »

Quote from: PJ Rowland on January 12, 2011, 10:05:46 PM

Why dont you get onto finishing that back wall instead

It is PJ, gotta have a place to tack up the plans!

Is that the same canopy Randy or did you redo it? I like the long flap fairing extension thingie along the fuse.

PerttiMe · « **Reply #187 on:** January 13, 2011, 12:26:20 AM »

Quote from: wwwarbird on January 12, 2011, 10:10:30 PM

I like the long flap fairing extension thingie along the fuse.

I was wondering if it is close to finished or waiting to be trimmed a lot. Could it have some aerodynamic effects on the tail at high AoA?

Will Hinton · « **Reply #188 on:** January 13, 2011, 06:41:53 AM »

Quote - "Why don't you get onto finishing that back wall instead"

My thoughts - ya can't fly the back wall, so leave it alone. (The plane's lookin' greeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaat, Randy!)
I, too, really like the side rails from flap to stab - neat variation from "normal."

Randy Powell · « **Reply #189 on:** January 13, 2011, 10:22:12 AM »

Hi guys,

The flap fairings (or side rails, I guess) are there primarily to provide additional stiffness to the rear of the fuselage. Work pretty well, too. I can say that carving those then hollowing them was fun. They don't weigh anything and certainly worked for their intended purpose.

PJ,

I wired, insulated and sheet rocked the shop, then sealed it up with mud. The original intention was to shoot texture and paint, but, much as Will noted, I decided, hey, it's a shop. Leave it. So I did. I may get around to finishing it up at some point.

And yes, it's the same canopy. I will shoot a pic of it so you can see what I mean. I'm still debating on changing it out.

The weight is still looking pretty good. All up weight is still projected in the 55oz range. Maybe a bit lighter, maybe not.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #190 on:** January 13, 2011, 10:57:48 AM »

Long enough fairing you got there Randy?

But it's looking really nice so far!!

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #191 on:** January 13, 2011, 03:01:43 PM »

Just razzin ya Randy

I do like the style of that ship.. With ultra logn farings.. My new model has plenty of Randy inspired stuff going on..

Randy Powell · « **Reply #192 on:** January 13, 2011, 05:09:24 PM »

PJ,

It's my inner low-rider coming out, I suppose.

Will Hinton · « **Reply #193 on:** January 14, 2011, 03:20:09 PM »

''Blush, blush,"

I couldn't think of the term "fairings" during a senior brain fade!

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #194 on:** January 14, 2011, 08:28:12 PM »

Ridin' dirty.......

Randy Powell · « **Reply #195 on:** January 15, 2011, 12:37:23 PM »

Maybe I can come up with hydraulics for the landing gear.

PJ, it doesn't have a name yet. but I have a couple of ideas. Hey, vato!!!

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #196 on:** January 16, 2011, 04:48:05 PM »

Quote from: Will Hinton on January 14, 2011, 03:20:09 PM

''Blush, blush," I couldn't think of the term "fairings" during a senior brain fade!

I call those thingys "strakes". I kinda like the look, but all the filleting and crisp edges would seem to be a finishing problem that I wouldn't want to fight. It might be a good idea to run a strip of .007" carbon tape down the edge to stiffen the fuselage, but I don't know if Randy does that or not. It would also help keep the edges crisp. Might be a real good thing on a profile, anyway.

Steve

Randy Powell · « **Reply #197 on:** January 16, 2011, 06:58:07 PM »

One wheel pant done. Man, want a pain. the other is shaped but needs a lot of work yet. Had to redo the initial gear. Too short to clear the prop. The new set is a bit longer. Wish it was shorter, but I'd have to use a 10" prop.

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #198 on:** January 16, 2011, 08:35:12 PM »

Hydrolics .. air ride system..

What sort of names are you tinkering with ?

What are the numbers ? I cant tell by the side view what the wing / stab is

Randy Powell · « **Reply #199 on:** January 16, 2011, 10:33:55 PM »

Hi PJ,

Well, first, you have to understand that I grew up in east LA. So I saw a lot of low riders growing up. My buddy Jose had a brother with a low rider 55 Chevy Nomad. Top chopped and draggin' Said Hooligan in the back window so I might go with that. The other one is a 59 Chevy El Camino (referenced above) that was a low rider that a guy down the street who had Optional Morals in the back window.

The plane is 615 square inches, The tail plane is 28% (about .51 TVC), same as my last plane. Weight should come in around 55oz. but I'm hoping for a couple of ounces less. Power will be a RO-Jett 65.

First wheel pant (with gear and wheel) came in at a bit over an ounce, so that is less than I was figuring. Hey, it's something.

Author Topic: New Toad (Read 26520 times)

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