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Offline Derek Barry

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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #50 on: April 17, 2013, 11:31:09 AM »
Having painted a few cars,, including a couple show cars,, I have never used anything finer than 2000# when cutting to polish,, 1200 or 1500 to cut the peal,, then 2000 to remove the scratches, then polish from there,,

I HAVE however used finer grits to polish acrylic aircraft winsheilds,, that is the only place I have seen use of that fine of abrasive,,

using finer grit would definetly reduce the effort to polish after sanding,, but wow, thats some expensive paper compared to a bottle of rubbing compound,,

Hey Mark,

What polishing compounds do you use and do you think I could find it locally? I am interested in what the pros use.

Derek

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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #51 on: April 17, 2013, 11:33:07 AM »
I have also found that for me 1500 cuts better than 1200 or 1000#. Not sure if it is the paint I use or the increased surface contact with the 1500??


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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #52 on: April 17, 2013, 12:37:33 PM »
Hey Mark,

What polishing compounds do you use and do you think I could find it locally? I am interested in what the pros use.

Derek

And to piggy back on that question.  What kind of clear are you talking about polishing?  2 part polyurathane, dope, or a 480S, etc??
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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #53 on: April 17, 2013, 01:05:40 PM »
Hey Mark,

What polishing compounds do you use and do you think I could find it locally? I am interested in what the pros use.

Derek

I have bought  and tried most everything out there,  The Meguairs Pro system of stepped polish seems to be the best, and ALL of it is paintable after use.  Diamond Cut, Power Clean, Medium cut Swirl remover  etc...
I use 4 to 6 steps of the compound from medium to very light cut... works great on cars too !
The Dual action compound and   Ultra finish polish are  GREAT for Dope , Laquer, and final finish sanded Urethane , The power that it dries to, is really good and the powder continues to polish and lube your surface.
After that I use 3M Finesse-it and carnuba mixed half/half ,  but this is also excellent :

Swirl Free Polish
32oz
Product number: M8232 | SKU: 070382182328
•Formulated for fresh paint
•High performance polish eliminates swirl marks fast
•Specially blended polish with cleaning power removes fine scratches
•Smooth,fast application and easy wipe off
•Restores a glistening “new paint” shine


http://www.meguiars.com/en/professional/products/

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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #54 on: April 17, 2013, 01:49:21 PM »
I have used the system Randy discusses ^^
Mcguires works great, just remember as with sandpaper, there is differing grades of abrasive,,

I have used pretty much anything mainstream,, some work great some work ok, a lot I have found is really dependent upon YOU and how you use it ,, at least as far as specific brands go. I know my buddy Al uses some bizarre name brand compound and I hate the stuff,,

most common besides Mcguires, "Finesse it"
There are a lot of little tricks,, but really, guys if I write it all out here then I wont have anything for my column in Stunt News,,  D>K

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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #55 on: April 18, 2013, 04:40:24 AM »
Thanks guys,

I really like McGuires too.

I use a medium cut after sanding then a new polishing compound that I found when I was finishing the Matrix. I will take a pic of the bottle and post it when I get a sec. McGuires swirl remover and Machine Glaze work very well for getting the fine scratches out.


Derek

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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #56 on: April 21, 2013, 07:05:37 AM »
I hate thread hijacking.. However the question was asked..

1stly - The online store I get the sandpaper in, just simply speciazlises in sandpaper and they go up to 12k grits.

If you understand what the polish process actually does the grades of grits just allow you to reduce the flat down to microns.


1500 grit sands close to 15 microns
12000 sands to 2 micron

Its just a finer process but it does take along time to do.
My buffing process is not dis-similar to what derek is doing.

I start with a very light 1000 just to "knock it down"
move to 1500 to smooth it out
3k spending time to get the main polish working

Now depending on the area - I would use the higher grits to develop a better quality of shine ( Wings - top of the fuse etc.. )
higher grit is 5k and 8 k

This is all just done with water, and detergent.   I also use whats called mircomesh cloth sandpaper.

I do machine buff also - its critical you have the correct pad I use 3M™ Perfect-it™ Foam Compounding Pad (05723)

3M Really do have the best range of buffing items. The material I use compounds are :
from the Perfect - it Range System 1 + 2

I will machine buff most of the major parts this is always a 2 person job ( 1 to hold the plane and I buff )

This is usually enough to get it to a high quality shine but I choose to use

Menzerna polish PO85RD which is also called Ultra finishing Polish - this is all dnoe by hand with a polish cloth and compound.

I then seal the whole model with canuba wax - depending on how much time i have left my last model had 6 coats of wax.


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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #57 on: April 22, 2013, 07:59:57 AM »
Only one wing left to buff. I am ready to get this thing in the air but I have been giving it very little attention lately. I need to finish soon so I can start practicing.

Derek

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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #58 on: April 22, 2013, 09:59:59 AM »
THAT LOOKS AWESOME!!!!!!!

I can't wait to see it!!

What was that you said about practice??  WTH??

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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #59 on: April 22, 2013, 10:36:09 AM »
Looking great, can't wait to see her with all the goodies bolted on, and flying of course!

Hey, I got one that needs buffing, can I send it over?   :!

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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #60 on: April 22, 2013, 12:03:28 PM »
Comes a time when you just want to get it in the air.
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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #61 on: April 22, 2013, 12:04:00 PM »
Practice? You must have fallen down and bumped your head at the house you are working on...

The plane looks outstanding!
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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #62 on: April 22, 2013, 12:38:09 PM »
FANTASTIC Derek!!!!

You've certainly raised the bar with this one!! Can't wait to see it at some point!
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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #63 on: April 22, 2013, 12:52:56 PM »
Hi Little Buddy!  It just keeps looking better and better!

What will you have at Huntersville?

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Re: Buffing the Cutlass XL
« Reply #64 on: April 26, 2013, 07:42:20 AM »
Hi Little Buddy!  It just keeps looking better and better!

What will you have at Huntersville?

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Hey Big Bear,

Not sure yet. If I can get the Cutlass finished I might bring it for the first flight. You know, depending on what the wind is like.

Derek


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