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Why am I letting a few threads run
« on: March 11, 2023, 01:38:38 AM »
It has come to my attention that the same few are reporting threads that twist their nickers. Get over it! The small minority seeks to impose their ideology on the rest. The mainstream media has blocked out most of the info I have let play. I have my thoughts on these matters and biases but that is not the reason to let these threads play out. It's to give the opportunity to let the NON-braindead make up their own mind. I was censored on Twitter the same day as Trump for stating my opinion and found it disgusting.

People point to a thread That Bill Little made years ago that pertained to the Brodak Wars and really was not even approved by me. That has nothing to do with current-day world affairs. I don't want this forum to become a free-for-all but I will allow a few stories not being played by the mainstream media.

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2023, 07:52:51 AM »
Thanks for your stand!
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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2023, 11:38:10 AM »
Let me guess...90% of the complaints have come from Liberals...?

Notice  how what it means to be a Liberal nowadays has morphed to...."Believe Everything, Question Nothing and Keep Your Mouth Shut"

Libs born from about 1980 on spent twice as much time during their young lives gazing into Electronic Programmers / Electronic Baby Sitters and so it is no wonder why they are so Social Trend Addicted and easily manipulated.





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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2023, 11:43:14 AM »
Bottom line, it's Sparkies site. If this is what he wants to let be posted then so be it. I learned a long time ago how to read  the posts that caught my eye and looked interesting. All I had to do was look at the title.
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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2023, 11:50:32 AM »
Everyone should also take notice that only one side wants to silence the others point of view. Liberals HATE our Bill of Rights, the first 2 amendments most of all.

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2023, 12:19:29 PM »
Everyone should also take notice that only one side wants to silence the others point of view. Liberals HATE our Bill of Rights, the first 2 amendments most of all.

Once you eliminate #2 then wave bye bye to #1

Are there ANY so called "MSM news sources that still allow ANY comments from the public...?

Believe this..if this forum [One of the few forums that respects / allows free speech] had millions of views every day..there would be who knows how many so called "Liberals" doing their best to sabotage it and to get it shut down.

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2023, 01:12:31 PM »
Once you eliminate #2 then wave bye bye to #1

Are there ANY so called "MSM news sources that still allow ANY comments from the public...?

Believe this..if this forum [One of the few forums that respects / allows free speech] had millions of views every day..there would be who knows how many so called "Liberals" doing their best to sabotage it and to get it shut down.

      It's funny that you mention this. There is a long time radio station here in the St. Louis area, KMOX, a 50,000 "Red Hot Watt" clear channel radio station. Many of you may have heard of it, as it is legendary for broadcasting St. Louis Cardinals baseball games that go way back to when the Dead Sea was sick. On a clear night, people have called in to the station from coast to coast, and I have heard many stories related from many sports celebrities who said they listened to KMOX on car radios at night to listen to games at all four corners of the country.   It was owned for a long time by CBS, and then has gone through a series of new owners. It was where I listened to Rush Limbaugh at every opportunity, so it was considered a conservative station. The long time station manager, Bob Hyland, passed away years ago and things slowly changed as time went by and then ownership changed. One of the popular features, and one that I participated in often was "Open Line " where they would take calls from listeners. There was an over night personality named Jim White who was legendary across the country for this. I think he was the first one to coin the phrase, "You can't fix stupid." and even distributed bumper stickers printed with that. They had "Open Line" at any hour of the day or night if the segment called for it, even on sports programs. Over the last few years there were wholesale changes of personnel and on air personalities where shuffled round to other stations owned by the mother company, Audicy Broadcasting , I think it is. Suddenly, no more open line. All the new on air staff  ( I won't call them personalities because generally, with one or two exceptions, they don't have any personality!!) are mostly left leaning and really just kind of silly. Early on, when they would say they would take some calls and I would try to call in, their switch board would kick me off. I fully believe that they use computer technology, AI or what ever you want to call it, to screen out anyone that may have called in before with opposing beliefs. I know this from previous years where I could call in and their switch board operator would call me by name when he answered, before I would say a word. Lately, when I have been listening to it primarily for traffic information or weather (that's all the station is good for now) they could be talking about any current issue that is in the news, and ever take any calls from listeners any more.  I think an overwhelming percentage of listeners are conservative types, and rather than take those calls and look stupid, they just stopped the practice. Their ratings have been on a downward trend, except for Cardinal Baseball broadcasts. I'm not the only one that I know that has noticed this trend. I quit taking the local newspaper for the same reason, and the fact that the cost had quadrupled in these year or two I subscribed . It is well known for censoring stories and letters to the editor. If I haven't been living this, and seeing what has changed in my hoe town, I probably would not believe it.
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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2023, 02:15:14 PM »
      It's funny that you mention this. There is a long time radio station here in the St. Louis area, KMOX, a 50,000 "Red Hot Watt" clear channel radio station. Many of you may have heard of it, as it is legendary for broadcasting St. Louis Cardinals baseball games that go way back to when the Dead Sea was sick. On a clear night, people have called in to the station from coast to coast, and I have heard many stories related from many sports celebrities who said they listened to KMOX on car radios at night to listen to games at all four corners of the country.   It was owned for a long time by CBS, and then has gone through a series of new owners. It was where I listened to Rush Limbaugh at every opportunity, so it was considered a conservative station. The long time station manager, Bob Hyland, passed away years ago and things slowly changed as time went by and then ownership changed. One of the popular features, and one that I participated in often was "Open Line " where they would take calls from listeners. There was an over night personality named Jim White who was legendary across the country for this. I think he was the first one to coin the phrase, "You can't fix stupid." and even distributed bumper stickers printed with that. They had "Open Line" at any hour of the day or night if the segment called for it, even on sports programs. Over the last few years there were wholesale changes of personnel and on air personalities where shuffled round to other stations owned by the mother company, Audicy Broadcasting , I think it is. Suddenly, no more open line. All the new on air staff  ( I won't call them personalities because generally, with one or two exceptions, they don't have any personality!!) are mostly left leaning and really just kind of silly. Early on, when they would say they would take some calls and I would try to call in, their switch board would kick me off. I fully believe that they use computer technology, AI or what ever you want to call it, to screen out anyone that may have called in before with opposing beliefs. I know this from previous years where I could call in and their switch board operator would call me by name when he answered, before I would say a word. Lately, when I have been listening to it primarily for traffic information or weather (that's all the station is good for now) they could be talking about any current issue that is in the news, and ever take any calls from listeners any more.  I think an overwhelming percentage of listeners are conservative types, and rather than take those calls and look stupid, they just stopped the practice. Their ratings have been on a downward trend, except for Cardinal Baseball broadcasts. I'm not the only one that I know that has noticed this trend. I quit taking the local newspaper for the same reason, and the fact that the cost had quadrupled in these year or two I subscribed . It is well known for censoring stories and letters to the editor. If I haven't been living this, and seeing what has changed in my hoe town, I probably would not believe it.
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Dan..I'm afraid it would take a prolonged and devastating SHTF LEVEL WORLDWIDE DISASTER to see the pendulum swing  out of the full control of the Globalist Elite Cabal.
I reckon they own your local radio station...[and many times it's very hard to trace actual ownership and operational control].
IOW..loss of control of the MSM, academia and world monetary system could never happen because The Globalist Elite will weather the storm no matter what happens.


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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #8 on: March 11, 2023, 03:16:08 PM »
Once you eliminate #2 then wave bye bye to #1

Are there ANY so called "MSM news sources that still allow ANY comments from the public...?

Believe this..if this forum [One of the few forums that respects / allows free speech] had millions of views every day..there would be who knows how many so called "Liberals" doing their best to sabotage it and to get it shut down.

To Chuck's point about liberal MSM censoring... click this link and listen to this Marine tell this short story.  I posted it on facebook and they censored me because they said "It did not meet their community standards." 

https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1633536237532499968?fbclid=IwAR0GQpDb9c1JN9_2xv_OYSG95damhf6pSiHF79pS6wXkM-vtkWCfnvUJRwc


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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #9 on: March 11, 2023, 03:46:15 PM »
To Chuck's point about liberal MSM censoring... click this link and listen to this Marine tell this short story.  I posted it on facebook and they censored me because they said "It did not meet their community standards." 

https://twitter.com/KanekoaTheGreat/status/1633536237532499968?fbclid=IwAR0GQpDb9c1JN9_2xv_OYSG95damhf6pSiHF79pS6wXkM-vtkWCfnvUJRwc

Mike...can I assume that the MSM paid very little attention to this man's testimony...?

Imagine how many facebook Fact Checker head explosions this meme would cause.... LL~

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #10 on: March 11, 2023, 08:38:47 PM »
Chuck I just happened to run across it on facebook.  I saw nothing about this on any news station.  As a veteran of the Vietnam war, this literally broke my heart.  I got emotional and enraged watching it.

The only reason I am still on facebook is because I founded and started two groups on there.  One is Control Line Flying and the other is Control Line Classifieds.  Also my family is on there as well.  facebook is a love hate type relationship but I am hating it more and more and will eventually delete my account I am sure. 

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #11 on: March 11, 2023, 09:21:39 PM »
Dan I can tell you here in NZ the same WOKE ( We Who Know Everything ) automotens have shut down at least three radio talkback hosts for exposing the truth with the last year.

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #12 on: March 11, 2023, 10:03:10 PM »
Chuck I just happened to run across it on facebook.  I saw nothing about this on any news station.  As a veteran of the Vietnam war, this literally broke my heart.  I got emotional and enraged watching it.

The only reason I am still on facebook is because I founded and started two groups on there.  One is Control Line Flying and the other is Control Line Classifieds.  Also my family is on there as well.  facebook is a love hate type relationship but I am hating it more and more and will eventually delete my account I am sure. 

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Mike...I'll take a look at your facebook pages.
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We need to bring all our boys home from all unwinnable situations.
Situations  where all they are permitted to do is spend each day on the defensive, waiting to be attacked and  hoping they don't get killed.
No more deployments to places where there's no  plan to retaliate MASSIVELY after being attacked, or into situations where the permission to go on the offensive has to come from an air conditioned "war room" some where in the USA.
Let's make the entire  Southern Border a military duty station and bring all of our boys home to man it.

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #13 on: March 11, 2023, 11:25:08 PM »
Dan I can tell you here in NZ the same WOKE ( We Who Know Everything ) automotens have shut down at least three radio talkback hosts for exposing the truth with the last year.

Recently 5 Spanish speaking conservative talk stations operating in the Florida state were purchased by a Soros consortium, the conservative hosts were dismissed from their jobs. There is definitely an agenda afloat to terminate all potentially opposing views even here in US. During the New Mexico elections, Y** T*b* kept posting on nearly every video I watched, ads in Spanish opposing the Republican gubernatorial candidate. They said some very nasty things about him, not true, to secure their candidate, who incidentally secured the election.

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2023, 12:09:48 AM »
Recently 5 Spanish speaking conservative talk stations operating in the Florida state were purchased by a Soros consortium, the conservative hosts were dismissed from their jobs. There is definitely an agenda afloat to terminate all potentially opposing views even here in US. During the New Mexico elections, Y** T*b* kept posting on nearly every video I watched, ads in Spanish opposing the Republican gubernatorial candidate. They said some very nasty things about him, not true, to secure their candidate, who incidentally secured the election.


Hey GG...Why would Soros spend $2MM of his hard earned money to get the current Sheriff of Maricopa County elected...? You might recall..this Sheriff is the guy who refused to turn the 2020 voting machines over to the auditors after a court order.
Just another amazing coincidence I guess.

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2023, 03:09:51 AM »
Recently 5 Spanish speaking conservative talk stations operating in the Florida state were purchased by a Soros consortium, the conservative hosts were dismissed from their jobs. There is definitely an agenda afloat to terminate all potentially opposing views even here in US. During the New Mexico elections, Y** T*b* kept posting on nearly every video I watched, ads in Spanish opposing the Republican gubernatorial candidate. They said some very nasty things about him, not true, to secure their candidate, who incidentally secured the election.

TRUTH is irrelevant to them, GG.  Remember Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid saying Mitt Romney hadn't paid income taxes for 10 years?  He was quite proud of it; when asked if he felt guilty, he replied "They can call it whatever they want.  Romney didn't win did he?"  Absolutely sickening to decent people ...

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/harry-reid-is-proud-he-lied-about-mitt-romneys-taxes

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2023, 03:11:32 AM »
It has come to my attention that the same few are reporting threads that twist their nickers. Get over it! The small minority seeks to impose their ideology on the rest. The mainstream media has blocked out most of the info I have let play. I have my thoughts on these matters and biases but that is not the reason to let these threads play out. It's to give the opportunity to let the NON-braindead make up their own mind. I was censored on Twitter the same day as Trump for stating my opinion and found it disgusting.

People point to a thread That Bill Little made years ago that pertained to the Brodak Wars and really was not even approved by me. That has nothing to do with current-day world affairs. I don't want this forum to become a free-for-all but I will allow a few stories not being played by the mainstream media.

Just remember we (mostly all) Know each other so choose your words wisley.

Very much appreciated, Sparky!

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2023, 04:30:49 AM »
Perfect.  A safe place where conspiracies can be shared without having to worry about being taken to task...

PD. The Afghanistan story did make the news 4 days ago.

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« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2023, 05:02:53 AM »
Sorry Spraky, that you forgot the oath you once took...

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2023, 06:42:30 AM »
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« Last Edit: March 14, 2023, 04:11:12 PM by Bill Morell »
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« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2023, 08:12:34 AM »
Perfect.  A safe place where conspiracies can be shared without having to worry about being taken to task...

PD. The Afghanistan story did make the news 4 days ago.

People who actually served in the US Military and who took their oaths seriously respect other people's rights to share conspiracy theories.
OTOH..people who never served naturally have no respect for freedom of expression....unless it's only their views that they wish to express.

We see these folks for what they are..Liberal Fascists.

"During times of universal deceit.....telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

How many years has it taken for the MSM to start calling the botched withdrawl from Afghanistan "A BOTCHED WITHDRAWL"...?
Conservatives were calling it a botched withdrawl right from day one while all good supporters of Team Biden vigorously defended the way the withdrawl was executed...
and called those of us who dared to criticize the withdrawl....RW CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.

Now that the truth is out all the social trend addicted Globalist Party Goyim will obediently follow the 180 degree flip of....
[[[THE OFFICIAL AFGHAN WITHDRAWL NARRATIVE]]].
 
« Last Edit: March 12, 2023, 12:44:17 PM by Chuck Matheny »

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« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2023, 10:08:35 AM »
Remind me again who negotiated the withdrawal?  Not negotiated well and not executed well either.  Our neighbors son did 2 deployments, he had similar stories to share.  Once they had to vacate a FOB to let it be taken over (no fighting involved) and a similar story while on guard duty.  Watched somebody place an improvised explosive and was ordered not to engage.  The bomb disposal crew did not make it there before it was set off.  No casualties except for a truck.  I am pretty sure that others have similar stories.  He was lucky, came back in one piece and mentally whole.

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #22 on: March 12, 2023, 10:13:33 AM »
Remind me again who negotiated the withdrawal?  Not negotiated well and not executed well either.  Our neighbors son did 2 deployments, he had similar stories to share.  Once they had to vacate a FOB to let it be taken over (no fighting involved) and a similar story while on guard duty.  Watched somebody place an improvised explosive and was ordered not to engage.  The bomb disposal crew did not make it there before it was set off.  No casualties except for a truck.  I am pretty sure that others have similar stories.  He was lucky, came back in one piece and mentally whole.

Of course, blame Trump.
Aren't you late for your booster shot?
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« Reply #23 on: March 12, 2023, 10:29:22 AM »
Mr Peabody
                   Sir, if you decide to take a shot - first identify your target.
Like Sparky ( NOT - Spraky ) I too many many years ago swore an oath to our (then ) Queen and Country. Central were the concepts loyalty, the law and good of the commonwealth.

I see my critical friend roll as a universal duty of all citizens of a democracy to holding politicians to account and calling out BS on any level as 100% consistent with that oath.

The US military oaths specifically identify defending against enemies from outside and from within.I would have thought calling out BS harmful to the US, especially from inside/ politically,  would be even more to the point for US ex military.

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« Reply #24 on: March 12, 2023, 10:57:30 AM »
Remind me again who negotiated the withdrawal?  Not negotiated well and not executed well either.  Our neighbors son did 2 deployments, he had similar stories to share.  Once they had to vacate a FOB to let it be taken over (no fighting involved) and a similar story while on guard duty.  Watched somebody place an improvised explosive and was ordered not to engage.  The bomb disposal crew did not make it there before it was set off.  No casualties except for a truck.  I am pretty sure that others have similar stories.  He was lucky, came back in one piece and mentally whole.

The [[[Globalist Party Controlled MSM]]] would have  CRUCIFIED TRUMP 24 / 7 FROM DAY ONE if the botched withdrawl happened under Trump's watch,
Dude...if you were honest with yourself [or less brainwashed] you wouldn't try to BS the rest of us who know better.

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« Reply #25 on: March 12, 2023, 11:23:03 AM »
Perfect.  A safe place where conspiracies can be shared without having to worry about being taken to task...

PD. The Afghanistan story did make the news 4 days ago.

Is the MSM running this story on the front page 24/7 for MONTHS like they did the Michael "Gentle Giant" Brown Fable.....?

Every TOTALITARIAN SOCIETY MUST HAVE ABSOLUTE CONTROL OF THE MASS MEDIA....and so THE BIGGEST SAFE SPACE ON EARTH [aka  facebook] is doing their best to make that our reality in the USA.
Just like the way it's done in all the other Totalitarian @#$% Hole Nations.
Well at least we don't have 1/2 our population practicing OPEN DEFECATION.......yet.






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« Reply #26 on: March 12, 2023, 11:52:03 AM »
Sorry Spraky, that you forgot the oath you once took...


It didn't take long to "smoke one out of its hole."  H^^
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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2023, 06:47:06 PM »
The [[[Globalist Party Controlled MSM]]] would have  CRUCIFIED TRUMP 24 / 7 FROM DAY ONE if the botched withdrawl happened under Trump's watch,
Dude...if you were honest with yourself [or less brainwashed] you wouldn't try to BS the rest of us who know better.

Mike pompeo negotiated the withdrawal and opted to leave the Afghan government out of it.  That was done under Trump.  Look it up if you do not believe.

The withdrawal was chaotic, no question about it.  The us military didi not expect the Afghan forces to fold so easily and so quickly. The Afghan government fled but then again they were not privy to the negotiation in the first place. You could argue that the US did not negotiate in good faith.

Winding the clock back, going in was a mistake and so was Iraq.  In the end Bin Laden was killed in a raid that the US executed without telling anyone.  That should have been always the plan for dealing with him.  Turning Iraq into a non functioning country gave Iran the space it wanted to extend it's influence.

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2023, 06:54:22 PM »
Mike pompeo negotiated the withdrawal and opted to leave the Afghan government out of it.  That was done under Trump.  Look it up if you do not believe.

The withdrawal was chaotic, no question about it.  The us military didi not expect the Afghan forces to fold so easily and so quickly. The Afghan government fled but then again they were not privy to the negotiation in the first place. You could argue that the US did not negotiate in good faith.

Winding the clock back, going in was a mistake and so was Iraq.  In the end Bin Laden was killed in a raid that the US executed without telling anyone.  That should have been always the plan for dealing with him.  Turning Iraq into a non functioning country gave Iran the space it wanted to extend it's influence.
HOW RIDICULOUS...!!!
Does any sane person think that if the roles were reversed that Team Trump would be forced to stay with a withdrawl plan that was  inherited from Team Biden...?

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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2023, 07:46:52 PM »
If I recall, there were conditions to the withdrawal under Trump that would have ensured both an orderly and fully supported transition to the Afghan military.  I also think we were keeping Bagram Airbase.  What Biden did was abandon all of that and run.  He didn't even take his marbles when he left. He just left his ball and went home.   Biden was a grown man when Sigon fell and 50,000 Americans died for nothing, 300,000 more injured and let's not mention the other 2 million who were drafted and yanked from their marriages and schools or had their lives uprooted.  Did he learn nothing from that?  He probably did but can't quite remember it.  Apparently, all he remembers was the Democrats blaming Nixon so when his time came, he just blamed his brain fart on Trump.  21 million Afgan women are just thrilled with what he did for them.

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #30 on: March 12, 2023, 08:43:05 PM »
If I recall, there were conditions to the withdrawal under Trump that would have ensured both an orderly and fully supported transition to the Afghan military.  I also think we were keeping Bagram Airbase.  What Biden did was abandon all of that and run.  He didn't even take his marbles when he left. He just left his ball and went home.   Biden was a grown man when Sigon fell and 50,000 Americans died for nothing, 300,000 more injured and let's not mention the other 2 million who were drafted and yanked from their marriages and schools or had their lives uprooted.  Did he learn nothing from that?  He probably did but can't quite remember it.  Apparently, all he remembers was the Democrats blaming Nixon so when his time came, he just blamed his brain fart on Trump.  21 million Afgan women are just thrilled with what he did for them.

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #31 on: March 12, 2023, 08:52:05 PM »
Who will be responsible, or answer too, for not allowing our sniper (who had the suicide bomber in his scope) to take him out, allowing 13 of our personnel to be blown to bits?
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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #32 on: March 12, 2023, 08:55:41 PM »
Who will be responsible, or answer too, for not allowing our sniper (who had the suicide bomber in his scope) to take him out, allowing 13 of our personnel to be blown to bits?
They will blame Trump.
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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #33 on: March 12, 2023, 09:52:08 PM »
Thank You.

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #34 on: March 12, 2023, 10:37:10 PM »
I know this will take a tremendous amount of restraint, at least it does for me, but the best thing you can do with an idiotic post from a left wing lunatic, is totally ignore them and their posts.  Do not answer them, unless it gets personal.

I have used this quote a lot that is attributed to Mark Twain.  "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

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« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2023, 10:43:12 AM »
I know this will take a tremendous amount of restraint, at least it does for me, but the best thing you can do with an idiotic post from a left wing lunatic, is totally ignore them and their posts.  Do not answer them, unless it gets personal.

I have used this quote a lot that is attributed to Mark Twain.  "Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience."

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Good points Mike.
I'd make better use of my time over at the Building  and Finishing Technique forum...!!
I have to admit it does my heart good to see so many truly woke Conservatives at this forum who hate having a single party loyal, Globalist Agenda spewing MSM.
I stopped short of calling the MSM "government controlled" because I think both entities answer to   a higher authority... 

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #36 on: March 13, 2023, 11:33:13 AM »
People who actually served in the US Military and who took their oaths seriously respect other people's rights to share conspiracy theories.
OTOH..people who never served naturally have no respect for freedom of expression....unless it's only their views that they wish to express.

We see these folks for what they are..Liberal Fascists.

"During times of universal deceit.....telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

How many years has it taken for the MSM to start calling the botched withdrawl from Afghanistan "A BOTCHED WITHDRAWL"...?
Conservatives were calling it a botched withdrawl right from day one while all good supporters of Team Biden vigorously defended the way the withdrawl was executed...
and called those of us who dared to criticize the withdrawl....RW CONSPIRACY THEORISTS.

Now that the truth is out all the social trend addicted Globalist Party Goyim will obediently follow the 180 degree flip of....
[[[THE OFFICIAL AFGHAN WITHDRAWL NARRATIVE]]].

Globalist Party Goyim is an anti semitic trope. I am not going to let that one go. Save it for 4chan.


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« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2023, 11:38:59 AM »
Globalist Party Goyim is an anti semitic trope. I am not going to let that one go. Save it for 4chan.

Look at the free speech hating thought control Nazi on patrol.
It's OK for you to spew racist crap..buy not for others. Got it.
People like you would be better served living in places like 1970s Cambodia.
Funny how it's fashionable and perfectly fine with brainwashed Goyim  like you to be anti Christian, ridicule "White Trash" Hill Billies, etc.
Is this meme another "ANTI-SEMITIC TROPE"..or is this too much truth for you to handle without your head exploding...?

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« Reply #38 on: March 13, 2023, 12:33:04 PM »
Funny that most don't get that liberal and fascist really do not go together, at least historically up to this point.  Regarding the Negotiations it is a fact that the US government decided to deal with the Taliban directly and excluded the Afghan government. That sent a pretty clear signal of who the US felt actually had the power, or at the very least, it sent the Afghan government a clear message of where the US stood.  It was also naive to think that the Taliban would actually negotiate in good faith.  Pretty sure that most of you will think that this is BS, but just in case...

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

I am assuming that most of you remember that about 5K Taliban fighters were released as part of the agreement.  The Afghan government objected but they were ignored.  Nothing like giving the enemy a thousand more troops....  At any rate.  The Taliban did not really keep their end of the bargain and Biden could have called it off.  At that point he probably would have had to send additional troops and chances are that the fighting would have started once again. Maybe one of you will enlighten me and tell me how could have pulled it off with the troops he already had in place and no more US casualties.  We did not learn from the Soviet experience; invading Afghanistan was not a necessary condition to getting Bin Laden and when it finally happened he was killed in Pakistan. You could have argued on moral grounds that getting rid of the Taliban would be a good thing for Afghanistan but as history suggested it was going to be a losing proposition. Also remember that in the past the US has not chosen its allies well, we supported Saddam during the Iran/Iraq war and also helped the Taliban make life miserable for the Russians.  The only thing consistent about US foreign policy is its inconsistency....
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« Reply #39 on: March 13, 2023, 01:18:05 PM »
Funny that most don't get that liberal and fascist really do not go together, at least historically up to this point.
Terry.."a little bit of knowledge is dangerous"
https://www.themarissalong.com/reclaiming-original-definition-fascism/

https://www.right-mind.us/they-changed-the-definition-of-fascism-in-2009/#:~:text=They%20Changed%20the%20Definition%20of%20Fascism%20in%202009.,how%20you%20can%20construe%20that%20to%20be%20right-wing.
They Changed the Definition of Fascism in 2009. Up until 2009, the word “right-wing” was not used in the definition of Fascism or Naziism. Both of these ideologies were socialist movements. Not sure how you can construe that to be right-wing only.
They Changed the Definition of Fascism in 2009 – Right-Mind

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/feb/08/goldberg-liberal-fascism-review

And the great H.G. Wells coined the term LIBERAL FASCIST..so take your disaproval of that term up with him.

and if the shoe fits...wear it.

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The Afghan pull out was doomed to fail once it was allowed to become a massive and confusing  cluster of civilians we had no business trying to evacuate at the last minute.
It's just too difficult to monitor that many people.
Trying to claim that Biden's hands were tied and that he had to stick to "Trumps plan" is ridiculously funny though.... LL~

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Re: Why am I letting a few threads run
« Reply #40 on: March 13, 2023, 01:25:18 PM »
Chuck,

It is easy to point out mistakes but what would you have done differently if in charge? That is point, people look at the outcome and never really think about the process that generated the outcome and how it could have handled differently.  I am guessing that the release of the 5K Taliban fighters was a good idea? If not, you already have an issue with how things were negotiated....

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« Reply #41 on: March 13, 2023, 01:44:05 PM »
Chuck,

It is easy to point out mistakes but what would you have done differently if in charge?


Withdraw nothing but US Troops from heavily guarded  extraction points.
Make it very clear to the civilians in advance that this is the way it's going to be.

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« Reply #42 on: March 13, 2023, 02:12:41 PM »
No comment about the 5K Taliban fighters?

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« Reply #43 on: March 13, 2023, 03:12:11 PM »
No comment about the 5K Taliban fighters?

What part of heavily defended don't you understand...?
We've got the technology but even that was overwhelmed by Biden's "Rainbows and Unicorns" dreams of letting everyone come along for the ride .

Did you know that the Taliban took those billions of dollars worth of surrendered military gear and opened up a chain of Army Surplus stores called TRAITOR JOES...?




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« Reply #44 on: March 13, 2023, 03:14:13 PM »
No comment about the 5K Taliban fighters?
If I am reading the point of your conversation, it is that Biden had no choice.  I hope I am wrong because he did have a choice.  He could have enforced the Trump withdrawal agreement.  Instead, he cut bait and ran.  You used the logic that enforcing it might cause casualties.  Does anybody in their right mind think you can fight a war without casualties?  The second that the Talaban broke the withdrawal agreement Biden should have bombed them back to the stone age (again) then resumed the process.  It was Biden's withdrawing the American advisors that were training the Afgan army that caused the government to collapse.  Until that point the Afgan military was able to keep the country under control WITH US air support and advisors.  It will go down in history as the dumbest military move in history and no amount of lipstick is ever going to make this pig look good again to those that depend on us.   

What would I have done differently?  Everything.  First, I would have made it mandatory that all advisors, translators, Afgan workers that were promised safety if things went wrong were evacuated before a single US Military person left and I would have given shoot to kill orders to make it happen.  Bagram airbase would have been fortified for the remaining troops that would be there as a buffer to keep the Taliban in check and provide a staging base should we have to go back.  Lastly, I would fire every general officer that thought doing what was actually done was a good idea and maybe a few field grade ones as well. 

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« Reply #45 on: March 13, 2023, 06:46:36 PM »
Ken,

There is a good documentary about one of the Afghan generals who worked with the Americans; he was surprised at how quickly they were ordered to pull out.  What became evident later is that supply became an issue (food, ammo and transport) very quickly; without American support they could not really function. Their government also did not provide them with what they needed.   It is obvious that they were not ready. Somebody in the US side should have known better, maybe they were not listened to, who knows but I would love to hear the story.

At any rate, an orderly pull out requires local forces to be in a position to provide security or at least a buffer.  The British pullout from Dunkirk was possible because the French were able to hold off the Germans, without that it would have been a rout. The pullout from Saigon was also chaotic so there is a precedent for what happened in Afghanistan. The US could have secured a base for as long as troops were present but over time, as they are evacuated, you have fewer troops and the situation becomes tenuous.  Eventually when the last troop boards a plane you basically have no security at all; you need the local troops to provide support or at least a buffer which buys you time.  I suspect that the original plan was to be out of Kabul before it fell.  It did not happen that way.  Biden delayed the pullout from May until September and my impression is that it gave the Taliban more time to gain ground.  Was is it a mistake?  Probably.  Could he have negotiated a new deal?  Not so sure.  Without a more significant number of boots on the ground I doubt that he would have gotten a good deal, you can't negotiate from a position of power if you cannot back up it. 

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« Reply #46 on: March 13, 2023, 06:49:15 PM »
Ken,

There is a good documentary about one of the Afghan generals who worked with the Americans; he was surprised at how quickly they were ordered to pull out.  What became evident later is that supply became an issue (food, ammo and transport) very quickly; without American support they could not really function. Their government also did not provide them with what they needed.   It is obvious that they were not ready. Somebody in the US side should have known better, maybe they were not listened to, who knows but I would love to hear the story.

At any rate, an orderly pull out requires local forces to be in a position to provide security or at least a buffer.  The British pullout from Dunkirk was possible because the French were able to hold off the Germans, without that it would have been a rout. The pullout from Saigon was also chaotic so there is a precedent for what happened in Afghanistan. The US could have secured a base for as long as troops were present but over time, as they are evacuated, you have fewer troops and the situation becomes tenuous.  Eventually when the last troop boards a plane you basically have no security at all; you need the local troops to provide support or at least a buffer which buys you time.  I suspect that the original plan was to be out of Kabul before it fell.  It did not happen that way.  Biden delayed the pullout from May until September and my impression is that it gave the Taliban more time to gain ground.  Was is it a mistake?  Probably.  Could he have negotiated a new deal?  Not so sure.  Without a more significant number of boots on the ground I doubt that he would have gotten a good deal, you can't negotiate from a position of power if you cannot back up it.


Ther last troops could have been covered quite nicely with good ole USA Air Power and the Eyes In The Sky.

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« Reply #47 on: March 13, 2023, 07:52:38 PM »
Highly unlikely in an urban environment where the bad guys mix in with the civilians unless that it is not important.  So what would happen if one of the planes or gunships goes down? You probably also believe that the gun in the A-10 is a pretty great anti-tank weapon.....  You have to get pretty close to one to hit it with the gun which means that they can also shoot back at you. The plane can take a lot of damage but a damaged plane may not get to fly the next day.   Most A10 tank kills during the Gulf War where missile kills, take your shot from a safe distance, take no damage and get to do it again tomorrow.

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« Reply #48 on: March 13, 2023, 08:17:13 PM »
Highly unlikely in an urban environment where the bad guys mix in with the civilians unless that it is not important.  So what would happen if one of the planes or gunships goes down? You probably also believe that the gun in the A-10 is a pretty great anti-tank weapon.....  You have to get pretty close to one to hit it with the gun which means that they can also shoot back at you. The plane can take a lot of damage but a damaged plane may not get to fly the next day.   Most A10 tank kills during the Gulf War where missile kills, take your shot from a safe distance, take no damage and get to do it again tomorrow.

OK ...I'm obviously no match for your NO CAN DO defeatist mentality. So yeah..Brandon should get a medal for his brilliantly devised and executed withdrawl.
Perhaps the MSM is just now getting around to criticizing Brandon's withdrawl because the Puppet Masters plan on installing Hyena Face as the first countersunk POTUS...?
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« Reply #49 on: March 13, 2023, 09:14:28 PM »
Highly unlikely in an urban environment where the bad guys mix in with the civilians unless that it is not important.  So what would happen if one of the planes or gunships goes down? You probably also believe that the gun in the A-10 is a pretty great anti-tank weapon.....  You have to get pretty close to one to hit it with the gun which means that they can also shoot back at you. The plane can take a lot of damage but a damaged plane may not get to fly the next day.   Most A10 tank kills during the Gulf War where missile kills, take your shot from a safe distance, take no damage and get to do it again tomorrow.

    You're not giving the pilots of A-10's enough credit. One of the features of the A-10 was being able to hide in flight, fly nap of the earth behind hills and ridges, then pop up and nail a target before the target knew what hit them. Tank operators FEARED the A-10 because of that gun and pushed the speed limits of their tanks in trying to evade them. You can't shoot at something if you can't see it or get take aim at it. You add in some help from some eyes in the sky to observe and help ID a target with laser designators, and "formidable weapon" isn't a strong enough description.
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