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Brett Buck · « **Reply #300 on:** July 22, 2012, 07:25:12 PM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on July 22, 2012, 05:51:33 PM

Winning sure makes the drive home easier, doesn'tit Doug?

Not winning, on the other hand...

Brett

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #301 on:** July 22, 2012, 08:04:40 PM »

" Not winning, on the other hand... " - Brett Buck

Motivates you to improve for next year ?
Thats all we need Paul to be annoyed and motivated.

Bruce Perry · « **Reply #302 on:** July 22, 2012, 11:52:04 PM »

..... The moons didn't have an "easy" drive home. I'm sure they will post pics....

Steve Fitton · « **Reply #303 on:** July 23, 2012, 06:37:18 AM »

Quote from: Bruce Perry on July 22, 2012, 11:52:04 PM

..... The moons didn't have an "easy" drive home. I'm sure they will post pics....

Good thing Steve is a bearing replacement expert(!)

SteveMoon · « **Reply #304 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:06:16 AM »

Yep, we only made it about 230 of our 950 mile drive before the right front bearing/hub assembly
on the Suburban crapped out. We were rolling along almost to Salem, IL, Doug driving and me napping
when the ABS light came on. Doug asked me about it, what it might mean, I said "That jus means I
gotta spend more f-ing money". About 30 minutes later the truck started pulling a little to the right and
making odd noises. The next thing we know we can hear parts coming out the bottom of the truck,
bouncing off the road, and hitting the bottom of the truck. Hard on the brakes and pull off the road!

Originally, we thought maybe the brake pads had disintegrated, but after investigating determined
the bearing had let go. Fortunately an IL state trooper pulled up about ten or fifteen minutes later
and called a wrecker for us. He took us about seven miles up the road to Salem and the local O'rielly
Auto Parts shop. We put the truck in the parking lot under a shade tree, bought the part, borrowed
some tools and fixed it right there in a little over an hour. The guys at O'rielly were really cool about
helping us out. With a stop at Subway on the way out our total delay was three hours and fifteen
minutes.

I guess it had to happen sooner or later. This was Nats trip number seventeen to Muncie, and our
first breakdown.

Later, Steve

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #305 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:20:32 AM »

Congrats to you and Doug. Doug is the new champ and you placed well.

Then y'all overcame the bearing issue and all is well.

IO hope that both of you can make it to the Dallas next meeting.

Peter Ferguson · « **Reply #306 on:** July 23, 2012, 07:39:01 AM »

We put the truck in the parking lot under a shade tree, bought the part, borrowed
some tools and fixed it right there in a little over an hour

We used a couple of pieces of the Walker Cup to fabricate a bushing.......and all went well!

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #307 on:** July 23, 2012, 08:28:22 AM »

First win - First breakdown..

No pun intended - you win some you lose some..

If you could take back either ?

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #308 on:** July 23, 2012, 12:33:04 PM »

Milt said: "this going to more and more like F3A where, 50 guys will be at a contest and 49 of them will be electric, and the one guy with his YS 175 Dingo blows them all away."

Look at the 3 top 5 flights. Paul, Doug and Bob all won a flight. No one blew the others away.

This shows that the top 3 guys are fiercely competitive and the win had nothing to do with the power used. My hat is off to all three. They had a week of drastically varying flying conditions, showing that they are all capable of the big win.

Again, I congratulate Doug for joining a very exclusive club.

Steven Kientz · « **Reply #309 on:** July 23, 2012, 02:40:53 PM »

I'd like to start off by saying this post is not intended to start a BOM-non BOM argument. Being new I'd like to know how the appearance points come into play during the NATS. Are they added every flight to your score? Also just curious how the top 5's appearance points came into play. I'm not trying to minimalize anyones flying, just curious.

Steve

Trostle · « **Reply #310 on:** July 23, 2012, 02:56:25 PM »

Quote from: Steven Kientz on July 23, 2012, 02:40:53 PM

I'd like to start off by saying this post is not intended to start a BOM-non BOM argument. Being new I'd like to know how the appearance points come into play during the NATS. Are they added every flight to your score? Also just curious how the top 5's appearance points came into play. I'm not trying to minimalize anyones flying, just curious.

Steve

At the Nats, appearance judging is accomplished before official flights. You may have seen pictures where all of the airplanes are placed on a floor and the appearance judges do their thing during the pilots" meeting held in another room. For the Open competition, appearance points are added to each official flight during the qualification rounds, during the semi-finals rounds and for each flight in the final 5. Appearance points are also included in the official flights in the separate Junior and Senior competitions. Once the Junior, Senior and Open Champions are determined, there is a Walker Cup flyoff to determine the National Stunt Champion. Appearance points are not included in the flight scores for the Walker Cup flyoff.

Appearance points for the Advanced entries are judged at the same time as the JSO entries and those points are also added for each official flight in the Avanced competition. However, the BOM rule is not required for the Advanced skill class, so non BOM models in the Advanced will class will not receive appearance points.

Keith

Frank Imbriaco · « **Reply #311 on:** July 23, 2012, 05:06:04 PM »

Quote from: proparc on July 21, 2012, 05:43:15 PM

Randy, this going to more and more like F3A where, 50 guys will be at a contest and 49 of them will be electric, and the one guy with his YS 175 Dingo blows them all away.

Christophe won the F3A World R/C Aerobatic Championship again last summer with YS power; one of his major sponsors. Saw him fly at a TOC in 1997 . Incredible talent.
Many high end F3A pilots - as well as " journeyman" R/C pattern guys, had difficulty setting up, maintaining and purchasing ( $$$$)the latest YS engines and consequently, went to electric for one reason or another.
IMO, the last user friendly YS engines were the 120s and FZ 140s.The 160s, 170CDI and the newest 175 CDI are complex powerplants and require the competition pilot be two-three deep in spare engines; to say nothing of spare parts.

Bradley Walker · « **Reply #312 on:** July 23, 2012, 09:18:31 PM »

I am so proud!!!

Way to go my brothers...

Brad

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #313 on:** July 24, 2012, 02:37:55 PM »

Quote from: SteveMoon on July 23, 2012, 07:06:16 AM

Yep, we only made it about 230 of our 950 mile drive before the right front bearing/hub assembly
on the Suburban crapped out. We were rolling along almost to Salem, IL, Doug driving and me napping
when the ABS light came on. Doug asked me about it, what it might mean, I said "That jus means I
gotta spend more f-ing money". About 30 minutes later the truck started pulling a little to the right and
making odd noises. The next thing we know we can hear parts coming out the bottom of the truck,
bouncing off the road, and hitting the bottom of the truck. Hard on the brakes and pull off the road!

Originally, we thought maybe the brake pads had disintegrated, but after investigating determined
the bearing had let go. Fortunately an IL state trooper pulled up about ten or fifteen minutes later
and called a wrecker for us. He took us about seven miles up the road to Salem and the local O'rielly
Auto Parts shop. We put the truck in the parking lot under a shade tree, bought the part, borrowed
some tools and fixed it right there in a little over an hour. The guys at O'rielly were really cool about
helping us out. With a stop at Subway on the way out our total delay was three hours and fifteen
minutes.

I guess it had to happen sooner or later. This was Nats trip number seventeen to Muncie, and our
first breakdown.

Later, Steve

Out here, "Schuck's Auto Parts" stores were recently re-branded to "O'Reilly Auto Parts". Schuck's was notorious for giving you the wrong parts, so maybe I should stop into my O'Reilly's and see if they are any different. Good that you got the right parts and some co-operation from the store's employees. The one time I had a problem, I had to go to a NAPA store (Omak, WA), and got zero help and co-operation. Asked to borrow a deadblow hammer or hunk of 4x4 to knock on the "Bearing Buddy" that they'd just sold me for my boat trailer. "No."

Anyway, congratulations to Doug for the win. A very good thing for the event, IMO. I would be interested in knowing Paul's and Doug's AP's, and if PW was flying the same eImpact that he flew at Stunt-a-thon in late June. That one was awarded 15 AP's and cost him the win. Chris Cox got 19 AP's and won by a couple.

Steve

Doug Moon · « **Reply #314 on:** July 27, 2012, 10:40:56 AM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on July 22, 2012, 05:51:33 PM

Winning sure makes the drive home easier, doesn'tit Doug?

I missed this post.

Paul,

Winning does make the trip home ALOT easier, even when you blow a bearing at the beginning and add 3:15 to the trip. You know all about the trip home as a winner, 10 times over!!!

I remember placing 5th. I was amazed and quite proud to have done so.
I remember placing 3rd after a 5 year hiatus. I was ecstatic with my performance and was very fortunate the judges felt my flying deserved that placing.
I remember placing 2nd. I was pleased with my flying but really bent up that I couldn't pull it off when I was so close. So many "If only..." comments.
I remember the trip home after crashing, it sucked.
This trip home was surreal. Seeing the enormous trophy case on top of the car, I must have snapped 10 pics of it. I really couldn't believe it had happened. Even now sometimes it seems as though it hasn't really sunk in all the way.
Yes the trip home was much much easier. I even came up with a new paint scheme idea.

I plan to try to make that the feeling on the way home as many times as I can.

Will Hinton · « **Reply #315 on:** July 27, 2012, 11:57:03 AM »

Yeah Doug, hang onto it and use it for motivation for next year for a REPEAT! Super congrats, my friend!

Ted Fancher · « **Reply #316 on:** July 27, 2012, 01:37:22 PM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on July 16, 2012, 10:12:46 PM

And Ted telling him to get out!

Brett

Actually, I owe Bubba Hunt an apology over that "moment in time". We had had some problems with the scales and needed to re-weight several airplanes including Bob's. When we put it on the scale it read like "zero" or something similarly impossible. Somebody said there was no battery in it and, sure enough, there wasn't. Not wanting to pass up an opportunity to "needle" on of my favorite stunt fliers I accused him of leaving it out on purpose in order to get a minus twenty pound pull test. Bob made it clear to me that the battery had been there when it was weighed the first time and he had then taken it out...I suppose to keep me from stealing it...or maybe because it was the only one he has and he needs to keep it charge...I'm not sure which.

At any rate, Bubba. My apologies if I offended you! (Spoken in my best "politician" covering his "you know what" tone of voice)

Ted

Ted Fancher · « **Reply #317 on:** July 27, 2012, 02:25:24 PM »

Quote from: proparc on July 17, 2012, 04:34:48 PM

Somebody gives me video of this thing flying, and there will be a foam wing in it for you-serious.

Milt,

I judged the ship and it flew very, very well. I frankly expected some negative pitching moment difficulties with flaps as potentially effective as these but there was no evidence of anything other than fine flying. Had to compliment Wes after the event was over. Very, very innovative. Hope he publishes something about the installation and drive mechanisms.

Ted

proparc · « **Reply #318 on:** July 27, 2012, 06:47:08 PM »

Quote from: Ted Fancher on July 27, 2012, 02:25:24 PM

Milt,

I judged the ship and it flew very, very well. I frankly expected some negative pitching moment difficulties with flaps as potentially effective as these but there was no evidence of anything other than fine flying. Had to compliment Wes after the event was over. Very, very innovative. Hope he publishes something about the installation and drive mechanisms.

Ted

Amazing. We have seen Vortex generators,Fowler flaps, Canalizers all at this years Nats. All proving to be effective for the individual. Hmmm

fred krueger · « **Reply #319 on:** July 27, 2012, 10:21:30 PM »

The links don't appear to work. Let's try this again.

Paul Walker

Kaz Minato

Bob Hunt

john e. holliday · « **Reply #320 on:** July 28, 2012, 09:09:46 AM »

Bobby, that is funny. Every one should watch theses videos close. Bobby and Paul both showed how the squares should be exited. Also watching the videos back to back I could see where points were lost on each flight. Of course the camera angle and the zooming probably had some to do with what I saw. If only someone could have got the finals day flights, that would have been interesting to watch. But, congrats to all who competed and flew.

By the way forgot to say thanks for the videos. I can see they were using the north east corner of the L pad.jeh

Forgot to add watch the launching of the planes that Mike Haverly does. Just release the plane. No jerking of the arms up. Way to go Mike.

proparc · « **Reply #321 on:** July 29, 2012, 10:37:39 PM »

I was waiting for everyone to stop arguing about the Expert class so we could discuss these videos. Quick disclaimer; this is just one video of each flight and we don’t know where they fit in the scheme of things. Good-thats out of the way.

I thought Kaz had it going baby!!! He had EVERYTHING going his way until he bounced his landing-GROAN.

Of course Bob is still Mr. Intersection, you can’t take him there, you just can’t.

Paul’s work down low had them cold. This was by far, the best bottom work of the group.

Let me make this clear. If I went to the Nats, and put in a flight like KAZ, I would go home happy no matter where I placed.

fred krueger · « **Reply #322 on:** July 30, 2012, 10:54:38 PM »

All three videos are from the 3rd round. I apologize for not capturing Doug Moon's and Bill Rich's flights. It would have been interesting to throw those into the mix, especially as Doug was the eventual winner.

Fred

RandySmith · « **Reply #323 on:** July 30, 2012, 11:07:52 PM »

Quote from: Fred Krueger on July 30, 2012, 10:54:38 PM

All three videos are from the 3rd round. I apologize for not capturing Doug Moon's and Bill Rich's flights. It would have been interesting to throw those into the mix, especially as Doug was the eventual winner.

Fred

Yep Bill's best flight was round 3, Doug's was round 2, Tough competition........

Randy

proparc · « **Reply #324 on:** August 05, 2012, 01:36:05 AM »

The European F3A Championships has just concluded. Out of 72 total planes, 6 were I.C., 66 were electric. The I.C.'s took First and Second. There is no doubt about it, the best and most sophisticated electrics in the world, our simply having a tough time dealing with the superchargers on the YS's. The top YS flyer won every single round.

Interestingly enough, the YS cannot match the instantaneous torque of the electrics,(just like electric cars etc.) But apparently, when the superchargers come on, it comes on with so much punch, it just seems to out hustle the electrics.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #325 on:** August 06, 2012, 09:50:11 AM »

Also the guys on the transmitters are probably putting a lot of effort into it also. Nothing like having it all together.

Allen Brickhaus · « **Reply #326 on:** August 07, 2012, 06:21:40 AM »

Check out Nats News on line.

Allen