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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Randy Powell on July 14, 2012, 09:34:15 PM
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Thought I'd start a thread for Nats Coverage. Hope someone will post something to let us schlubs know what's going on.
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have taken many pictures and tomorrow when I change rooms I hope to have a better internet connection I will post some info. Cant do it now.
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Great idea here Randy. Hopefully Sparky and the others that are there will keep us in the loop. And don't forget the photos! ;D
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Ryan Young is going to give me updates when he can, so I'll try to update this based on what Ryan has told me during the NATS.
Good luck everybody! H^^
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Great idea Randy. Us cats who can't make it, are still hungry for the 411. Looking to make 2013. Of special interest to you, I got to develop cad nesting capability for my design.
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Windy today but lots of flying going on...
Derek
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First few days of scale.
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And the aftermath
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Ouch !!! That "was" a very nice model (still, it is rebuildable)
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I got five flights in this morning and getting ready to go again right now. Still waiting for a Howard sighting. Last word was that he is at his sister's house near Indy. finishing his new model.
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Oh man, that hurts. Beautiful model and a shame.
Mike, stay out of the pavement. You're new ship is too cool to splat.
Hope Howard can get it done.
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That is a shame. Hope the rest fair better as well as the stunt grunts. H^^
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FYI: I posted a bunch of pix of the Scale birds over in that Forum. Saw the aftermath of the B-17 & a Beechcraft that came to grief, did not have the heart to shoot them. RIP.
Tried to take some in-flight shots, let's just say my appreciation for the shots Elwyn takes continues to skyrocket!
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FYI: I posted a bunch of pix of the Scale birds over in that Forum. Saw the aftermath of the B-17 & a Beechcraft that came to grief, did not have the heart to shoot them. RIP.
Tried to take some in-flight shots, let's just say my appreciation for the shots Elwyn takes continues to skyrocket!
I am not quite to Elwyn's standards but two tricks are to pre-focus/manual focus, and to pan for almost the entire lap ahead of time, hit the button as you are approaching the focused zone. . And have a very big SD card.
Brett
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Elwyn told me that his secret was to take MANY, MANY pictures. I have observed that to be true, but I am also certain that there is much more to it than that. He is a genuine artist. Whatever it is, my hat is off to him. I hope he was able to travel to Muncie this year. His pictorial essays almost make up for not being there.
Bob
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My Point & Shoot has a disturbing delay between pushing the shutter & capturing the image. Used fixed focus and "half pushed" shutter which is supposed to also lock the metering - but not much help. I also tried shooting the moving airplane AND catching the pilot in the background which is beyond both mine and my camera's capability except for accidents! A lot of electrons died for nothing...! I have not explored other manual modes that might work better.
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My Point & Shoot has a disturbing delay between pushing the shutter & capturing the image. Used fixed focus and "half pushed" shutter which is supposed to also lock the metering - but not much help. I also tried shooting the moving airplane AND catching the pilot in the background which is beyond both mine and my camera's capability except for accidents! A lot of electrons died for nothing...! I have not explored other manual modes that might work better.
Try this - pre-focus, pan, but push the button without checking the viewfinder. Just hit it when the airplane seem to be in the right spot. A huge problem with point-and-shoots is not usually the lag in the shutter, but the lag in the viewing screen. I finally figured this out with my old Nikon point-and-shoot.
That being said, you help yourself immensely with an SLR, even the least expensive it plenty good enough for what we need.
Brett
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Ouch !!! That "was" a very nice model (still, it is rebuildable)
NATs News said he also crashed a C-124! That's a rough NATs, the most airplanes I have ever crashed at a single NATS is one. Or, actually, the same one, twice.
Brett
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Still windy...
Derek
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Im following Derek's Live twitter feed.
#DBAZ @Nats Muncie # 2 windy Buffing Matrix for 3rd time 2day - Beer soon.
Note : Actual feed may vary..
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Man, that's rough, losing two beautiful planes like that, but it sounds like the wind did not make life easy for anyone.
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Try this - pre-focus, pan, but push the button without checking the viewfinder. Just hit it when the airplane seem to be in the right spot. A huge problem with point-and-shoots is not usually the lag in the shutter, but the lag in the viewing screen. I finally figured this out with my old Nikon point-and-shoot.
That being said, you help yourself immensely with an SLR, even the least expensive it plenty good enough for what we need.
Brett
That's pretty much how I got the shot of Allen Goff & his Ryan STA & Charlie Bauer & his C-337. I used the viewfinder to make sure the pilot was there then held still watched the airplane, "guessed" at the delayed reaction then fired & prayed! Zoom was way off though so everything is too far away.
I used to have a Nikon D-70(?) that I used for taking the girls dance performances, but got rid of it cuz it was more than I wanted to lug around on vacay & such. I am not that into photography anyway...
I am using a 5 yo Kodak that does not even have image stabilization! (steampunk digital???)
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testing
(http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=27559.0;attach=107679;image)
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testing
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Have 60% of a basketball team right there! Or maybe, in this case, more like 30%.
Brett
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Howard is in the house! He had to make a vertical CG shift (up). That was the reason for the delay at his sister's house. Well, maybe he time to visit also. When I left the field it looked like it was doing well. Plenty of help, Paul W and Don McClave. I put up one more flight and decided Derek had the right idea. Beer. y1
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My Point & Shoot has a disturbing delay between pushing the shutter & capturing the image. Used fixed focus and "half pushed" shutter which is supposed to also lock the metering - but not much help. I also tried shooting the moving airplane AND catching the pilot in the background which is beyond both mine and my camera's capability except for accidents! A lot of electrons died for nothing...! I have not explored other manual modes that might work better.
Dennis,
Some cameras have a "burst mode" which takes several shots like a machine gun. The hope is that one or more in the "burst" is a good one. Try that if yours has the capability. Also, some cameras have a "sports" mode which tries to compensate somewhat for moving activities.
Anyhow, keep the still shots coming. y1
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Dennis,
Some cameras have a "burst mode" which takes several shots like a machine gun. The hope is that one or more in the "burst" is a good one. Try that if yours has the capability. Also, some cameras have a "sports" mode which tries to compensate somewhat for moving activities.
Anyhow, keep the still shots coming. y1
GREAT suggestion, especially for the in-flights. Unfortunately I was only up for the day on Saturday, the job search resumes on Monday...
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Howard is in the house! He had to make a vertical CG shift (up). That was the reason for the delay at his sister's house. Well, maybe he time to visit also. When I left the field it looked like it was doing well. Plenty of help, Paul W and Don McClave. I put up one more flight and decided Derek had the right idea. Beer. y1
"I have respect for beer"-Russell Crowe
Derek
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I made it to the Naturals. I set out Tuesday morning at 10 AM. It was 59F and foggy in Bellevue (figure 1). I got to the Walker Stunt Ranch Tuesday afternoon and flew a little stunt. Mr. Walker (figure 2, atop his steed) helped with trimming, which is like having Franz Liszt help tune your piano. I departed Wednesday, although the dog was still a bit woozy toward the top of the circle. I received a phone call in Iowa from the aforementioned (not Liszt) advising me to raise my battery: the CG is too low. I stopped at a funky and wonderful hobby shop in Champaign, Illinois for supplies and upon arrival at my sister's house in Indianapolis commandeered her dining room table and commenced battery raising and cooling air reducting . The new ducting must be good: it blows the cowl off. Flew a little stunt this evening in Muncie. The dog will be fine if I can keep the cowl on.
I saw a few folks, and I'm looking forward to seeing more tomorrow and looking at the pretty airplanes.
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Good news Howard, seem's everyone is arriving safely.
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Can't say enough about how these Nats reports mean. The anticpation almost drives me nuts, having to wait during the day for the nightly reports. Thanks to all of you who keep us up to date!
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I think Paul needs a bigger tractor ... and a bigger hat.
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I went over to the beginners contest and took pictures. I have pictures of combat people from what you can see. I will take some pictures of speed. Problem is the hotels connection is so slow I can not download them. SO I will report and post pictures when I get home. If there are any others here at the NATS who can post pics, please do so. 2:30 at building 180 is the beauty show today.
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Don't forget the AMA has the daily reports on the AMA site. Of course it doesn't compare to what we see here on the forum. H^^
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I made it to the Naturals. I set out Tuesday morning at 10 AM. It was 59F and foggy in Bellevue (figure 1). I got to the Walker Stunt Ranch Tuesday afternoon and flew a little stunt. Mr. Walker (figure 2, atop his steed) helped with trimming, which is like having Franz Liszt help tune your piano.
Knock-em dead Howard. Bust out a few rhymes for me at the L pad.
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Elwyn told me that his secret was to take MANY, MANY pictures. I have observed that to be true, but I am also certain that there is much more to it than that. He is a genuine artist. Whatever it is, my hat is off to him. I hope he was able to travel to Muncie this year. His pictorial essays almost make up for not being there.
Bob
I appreciate all the kind words. Didn't go to the Nats. Still setting at home editing pics from Brodaks. Usually I'm on the road to Oshkosh this time of year but will have to pass this time. The person I usually go with decided to spend his vacation in Paris this year. Speaking of photos, one thing that always seems to jump out at me when Brett posts any photos is the super crisp focus his pics always have. I wish mine were that sharp!
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I appreciate all the kind words. Didn't go to the Nats. Still setting at home editing pics from Brodaks. Usually I'm on the road to Oshkosh this time of year but will have to pass this time. The person I usually go with decided to spend his vacation in Paris this year. Speaking of photos, one thing that always seems to jump out at me when Brett posts any photos is the super crisp focus his pics always have. I wish mine were that sharp!
Oh yeah, and BB King wishes he could play the guitar like Brett!
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I wish I could play the guitar like BB King, or Albert King for that matter.
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I got an update from Ryan. About 5 planes that got 19 points, no 20 pointers. He sent me a picture of the front row and I saw Robert's P-47, Kaz's Hellcat, I think kenny Stevens SV-22 (it was hard to tell because there were quite a few people around it) and there was also what looked like a zero and Howards impact but I'm not sure who's those are. Derek's plane was also 19
Ryan also sent me a picture of Paul Winter's beautiful airplane painted like it was in space and looks like it got 18 points.
Looks like the Concours will be really tough to choose!
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I met Albert King. We had a good talk. Yes, I do try to play like him.
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Wish someone would post a pic of Howard's electrodog. I haven't seen it yet.
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I got an update from Ryan. About 5 planes that got 19 points, no 20 pointers. He sent me a picture of the front row and I saw Robert's P-47, Kaz's Hellcat, I think kenny Stevens SV-22 (it was hard to tell because there were quite a few people around it) and there was also what looked like a zero and Howards impact but I'm not sure who's those are. Derek's plane was also 19
Ryan also sent me a picture of Paul Winter's beautiful airplane painted like it was in space and looks like it got 18 points.
Looks like the Concours will be really tough to choose!
Can you post 'em here? Perdy pleeeeez.
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Can't say enough about how these Nats reports mean. The anticpation almost drives me nuts, having to wait during the day for the nightly reports. Thanks to all of you who keep us up to date!
Ditto ... Thank you all.
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Can you post 'em here? Perdy pleeeeez.
I've tried really hard to pull the pictures off my phone, even tried uploading them to facebook,but for some reason, nothing seems to work. I'll try again in the morning since I am out of patience.
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Today was appearance judging at the Nats. I was there in my JCT uniform. The coolest plane was Paul Winter's, which gave strong evidence that Chesley Bonestell took LSD. There were some interesting aerodynamic devices. Paul Walker had PJ VGs. Frank Williams also had VGs, but put them where an aero engineer would put them. I don't know which works better, but Paul did multiple trials and convinced himself that PJ is onto something. Frank also knows that "tail volume" is not the whole story. Wes Dick, who won third in Senior at the 1953 Nats, had some bidirectional double-slotted flaps, of which he was justifiably proud. This requires a fancy mechanism to work, and he made one.
I regret that I don't know how to interleave text and pictures here, so here they are in a pile:
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And here is Bob Hunt trying to get a peek before the judges finished judging.
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And here is Bob Hunt trying to get a peek before the judges finished judging.
And Ted telling him to get out!
Brett
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Thanks for the photos, info and updates guys! Staying tuned... y1
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Hey Howard,
Thanks for the news and pics. How about a pic of your bird?
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Well done to those on the Front Row !!!! What an effort and great reward for all that sanding.
Who was concourse winner?
Some great photo's Howard - and some interested developments going on.
I speak for all unable to attend : Thankyou.
Great to see Paul Simon Winter getting over safely and scoring well.
Howard : You cannot include text in the photo thread unless you upload them seperate. Using the link code and the relivant [img code]http://and text inbetween.
(http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k554/pjaussie/FrontRow.jpg)
Appearance Judging Front Row.
( Howard Rush supplied photo )
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Did Derek's Matrix make the trip? I would expect it to be right up there in appearance points.
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Derek's was on the front row at the far end of that picture. It's pretty cool, too.
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Who's Zero is that?
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Ref Bob Hunt taking a peek: Ted looks like he is saying "I'm hung over and very tired... don't bother me"
Thanks for the pictures guys, can't wait to see more.
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How many models have been crunched by people over the years?
Wouldn't it be a little safer if they were cordoned off by a 10" barrier?
Gotta go one of these years just to watch. Beautiful planes!
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Just curious if any of you know of any active twitter feeds for blow by blow info?
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I never thought I would see Double slotted Fowler type flaps on a competiton stunt ship. Unbelievable-what would they do in a stunt ship?
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Is there a listing of the appearance points awarded to each ship posted anywhere? The AMA NATs site?
Best, DennisT
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Somehow, I didn't think Howard's sled would be white. Hmmm..
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Somehow, I didn't think Howard's sled would be white. Hmmm..
OK, I guess I missed it somewhere? Is that white/orange #"4" Impact in the photo is Howard's?
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Good photos of the planes. The space art is awesome. The plane with the multiple flaps remind me of an airliner taking off or landing. Also I don't think the concourse award will be known until banquet time. H^^
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Yes, that is Howard's white Impact, front row and flying quite well also. He was smiling after last nights flying session, good to see after his earlier frustrations. I just returned from the field. The outside temperature is 94 and it is supposed to warm up! Tough on us Northwest boys.
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A hearty THANK yOU to the folks that took the time away from having fun to send some photos back to us poor stay-at-homes.
Special thanks to Howard...More please!!!
Some positively unbelievable airplanes. Gotta go next year if only to see these airplanes first hand. Haven't been to the Nats since Reno...
Randy (Crying in my beer) Cuberly
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Classic is in the books. Check out "Team Utah"! Congratulations to Jim Rhoades and Gordan. Jim's flightless bird actually flies very well.
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And here's Old Time. Joe is really tough to beat!
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Classic is in the books. Check out "Team Utah"! Congratulations to Jim Rhoades and Gordan. Jim's flightless bird actually flies very well.
I can't believe it, Jim Rhoades has won Nats Classic!! I remember judging Jim at a Socal contest in Expert. He flew so nicely,and his Retro ran so well.
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I can't believe it, Jim Rhoades has won Nats Classic!! I remember judging Jim at a Socal contest in Expert. He flew so nicely,and his Retro ran so well.
Unfortunately that airplane met it's demise when the nose broke off in-flight.
Brett
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Way to go Joe!! That boy from OK is an OK stunt pilot!!! y1 #^
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As has been stated, the internet wifi at the Lee's Inn leaves a lot to be desired. Let's see if these 2 will upload.
Here's the infamous Matrix on the front row, and Howies woofer.
EricV
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Lees internet is crap
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I'm wondering if part of Sparky's trouble is uploading .png files? Those are supposed to be thumbnails for .jpg (or maybe other file types?). Try uploading .jpg's and see if that works better. I have had nothing but trouble with .png's, anyway. Maybe somebody who knows more about file extensions could 'splain it?
Anyway, it's good to see all the pictures and looking forward to seeing more. Good luck and good flying to all! And Mike...I want to hear that you did some good H8's!!! HB~> Steve
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And here's Old Time. Joe is really tough to beat!
Joe Gilbert was flying a Ted Snow designed Humongous powered by an Anderson Spitfire .65 on Ignition.
He is a Tulsa Gluedobber.
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Somebody gives me video of this thing flying, and there will be a foam wing in it for you-serious.
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Has Dan B taken a practice flight with the "Jet" yet? Does it get through the whole pattern?
Best, DennisT
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Kaz added a little decor' to a few of our models this evening with little flag stickers or his country and ours. Kinda cool.
Dan tried to fly the jet last night but it wouldn't light off. Thunder and lightening put the kibosh on any flying tonight, at least while I was there. Who knows about Danny, he may have flown anyway :o
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Pitty about the Interenet connections. These things happen.
Thanks to all the photo's so far. Congrats Rob and to all whom were Front Row.
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Congratulations to Joe Gilbert. Great flying Joe. Wow! 318 on both flights. Once you get her locked in she just does it again.
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Thanks again for the continuing photos and info guys. Who's Zero?
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I appreciate the pictures as well.
The Nat's News has been excellent. A small peek at what is going on throughout the week.
Mike
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Dany flew the jet this evening. Earlier lightning and threats of rain cleared the L-Pad. Only a few saw the great spectacle. Paul Winter and his entourage kept off the pad in the protective enclosure of an SUV, until the shrieking bird was off, the pipe glowing red. Beautiful sight in the Muncie twilight. Loops, squares, inverted. Dan tried an AMA eight but bailed, possibly too near the end of tank. Prope Oxide and 87 Octane, 50/50, a friendly mix. Ignition after three or four pumps on the bicycle pump. Thanks to the Moonies and Mike Scott for manning the pump, the shock box and launching. 3.6 second laps. The 18.5 ounce chicken hopper should hold enough for a pattern with the right 87 octane mix.
Classic and Old Time today. Flown off the green (and yellow). Muncie is dried out, the grass brillo on the knees. Watch it.
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Let me add my congratulations to Joe, Gordon and Jim. I am lucky to know all three and they are all really good at what they do. :D
Andy
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PJ
The concours is awarded at the banquet..... I'm pretty sure.... Yeah I remember something like that....
B S?P
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Brain fade..... You're spot on Bruce ,I simply forgot.
Will Dan try a full Pattern ? Someone has to Film that an Upload it to Youtube !
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How many are flying electric? Let me guess!
Paul W
Howard R
Kenny S
Bob H
Jason G
Bill D
Frank W
Mike H
Buddy W
Jose M
Any more?
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Congrats to Mike Scott too for 2nd in OTS. Good showing from the Dallas members.
What airplane did Gordy fly in Classic?
Crist: That list of people shows quite a trend!
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Can somebody please post pictures of the planes?
Juan
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So far the pictures are great , thanks for taking the time to share in your busy day . Keep them coming.
y1 #^ #^
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GO DAN - smoke'em (or shake their fillings at least)!!!! I hope you get into the top 20 and higher. I love to see someone break new ground. Hope the guy with the split flap does well also.
Best, DennisT
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Best of luck to all who are there and a special thanks to those who are supplying reports an pictures. I know what it is like when the temperature goes up and you spend all day on the L pad. Make SURE that you do not get dehydrated!!
Bill
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Dan is only flying exhibition flights, not in competition. I said he should have entered it! More info can be found here http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=26369.0. I don't want to clutter this thread and get off topic.
Dan is judging Advanced/Open this year.
Mike
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How many are flying electric? Let me guess!
Paul W
Howard R
Kenny S
Bob H
Jason G
Bill D
Frank W
Mike H
Buddy W
Jose M
Any more?
4 strokers are getting our butts kicked Chris. :'(
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If you want pictures and great reporting of all events, go to the AMA site, modelaircraft.org .. Look for NATS News in the listings. H^^
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Entry looks a little light....probably the heat for the previous three months....
Have fun!
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And... the uncalled for price of gasoline!
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And... the uncalled for price of gasoline!
Part of it is certainly the lack of West coast participants. I am not there, Dave is running it, Ted is judging, and the dozens of guys who would like to go and some of which had previously attended have gotten worn down with the "2 weeks of driving for 4 flights" issue.
Might want to see how this all looks if you add another skill class - no point in having 2 days of qualifying any more if there aren't 20 participants in a class.
Brett
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Might want to see how this all looks if you add another skill class - no point in having 2 days of qualifying any more if there aren't 20 participants in a class.
Brett
That is a good point. I am now 1500 miles closer yet , I still couldn't make it. But I am working on it, that's for sure. My date with the L pad is a top priority.
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Yep, it's 2500 miles one way for me. Not happening anytime soon.
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Part of it is certainly the lack of West coast participants. I am not there, Dave is running it, Ted is judging, and the dozens of guys who would like to go and some of which had previously attended have gotten worn down with the "2 weeks of driving for 4 flights" issue.
Might want to see how this all looks if you add another skill class - no point in having 2 days of qualifying any more if there aren't 20 participants in a class.
Brett
I know this is my fault but I am a lot closer and get 4 flights for 100.00 plus hotel. I'm dead last on my circle due to lack of practice. I wish it was at the end of the season instead of the begining. Oh well i'm here and having fun.
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Yeah Robert. But if you were not there we would not get to see more pictures of your beautiful airplane.
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It would be wonderful to have the Nats at rotating locations again, but we have all heard the never ending argument of cost to AMA. And if we wanted our own Stunt Nats, or CL Nats would we be welcome back to Muncie at a later date??
Travel above 500 miles is common for most. 1000mi, 1500 mi, 2500 mi....... it is not fair to a large number of people, particularly with today' s expenses.
That is the reason that I have been not been to the Nats in 12 years, and it is killing me. It is hard to get to many "local" contests, because "local" can be 250 mi.
It is not getting better. I hope that one day I can stop saying "Next year".
Meanwhile, keep please the pictures coming, making the connection to us who are not there. Robert, we really appreciate your efforts.
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I would post more pictures now if we had a good internet connection. Just waiting for a page to load takes a few min. I would shoot myself if I had to deal with this on a daily basis. Worse then dialup! ITS NOT THE FILE EXT. Its bandwidth
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Bob....
It seems to me that there might be wi-fi at the AMA building? or the museum?
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How about some pictures of all the scoreboards?...somebody? Thanks in advance.
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I would post more pictures now if we had a good internet connection. Just waiting for a page to load takes a few min. I would shoot myself if I had to deal with this on a daily basis. Worse then dialup! ITS NOT THE FILE EXT. Its bandwidth
Cheap wireless routers Spark, buried in a back room somewhere.
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Crist,
Dan Bregar took 1st in Open Beginner with an electric Magician. I also saw an electric Banshee in Beginner. Jeff Traxler has an electric Pathfinder he flew in Intermediate. I may have missed a few between trying to keep out of the sun and staying hydrated.
Bob
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Ryan Young gave me the results to the top 10 of classic to post on here. I also heard from Eric Viglione that it was hot and windy once again today. Most of the top guns, according to him, passed their 2nd round flight if they had a good enough 1st round flight.
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And... the uncalled for price of gasoline!
It's a bitch. Every 400 miles I have to put in another 8 gallons.
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That is a good point. I am now 1500 miles closer yet , I still couldn't make it. But I am working on it, that's for sure. My date with the L pad is a top priority.
What is the "L pad" ?
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A flash flood/rain cleared out the gazebo where the first day scores were posted. I'll figure out a way to iphone pics of those results tomorrow when the papers get stuck back up. Stunt heaven for the early flights. Stronger breeze later in the morning. Darn good flying weather for the most part.
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On the way out from Philly, I got 39 something in my plain Civic with no batteries. It's a 2011. ( I hate electric.) My 2009 did 42. Crushing disappointment. However, since June 2012 the air conditioner has been blasting. Did so every mile of this trip. Maybe that accounts for the diff... Young Daniel (Banjok) got pissed off at my mileage discussions. Guess his van, stuffed with the objects of his cluttered mind, didn't fair as efficiently.
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What is the "L pad" ?
Hi Doug,
There are four paved circles all on asphalt poured in an "L" shape. Three in a row and one to the right. (looking from the other three).
Bill
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Are there really people who actually LIVE in USA complaining about the distance to Muncie?
I start clapping thinking how close I am when I fly into LAX !
Having said that - I do understand 2500 + mile drives are not enjoyable.
If It means that much to go to the US Nats ( like it does to me ) build a take apart model, book an airline ticket.
Work prevented me this year.
Dont forget to check out the AMA Website - The Nats Newsletters are almost as good as being there.
Allen Brickhouse has been putting in the hard yards with writing and photographs of most of C/L activities. Its about as Up-todate as one can get.
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PJ,
That is how I am planning to go. Build a take apart, convince Howard to haul it to Muncie in the back of his Prius, then fly and rent a car.
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Just throw it on a plane with you. Your allowed 2 bags !
At worse $200 excess baggage charge.
But.. I don't do alot of Domestic USA travel, perhaps they are more forgiving to the International traveller.
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PJ,
You are from Australia so they don't give you a hard time. They only hassle you if you are an American citizen. If I tried to take a box with a plane in it on an airplane, I would expect to be strip searched, held by TSA without bail and questioned under hot light with rubber hose involved. Or maybe nothing would happen. That's the problem, you never know. I'd be happier if I could just throw the box in the back of Howard's car and avoid the TSA shakedown.
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Oh dont get me wrong - I went through that with the TSA also - Was taken out the back in Chicargo on the way to Indy, they had 3 guys - 1 heavy ! and they took swab samples of the plane, opened it up took it out - checked it over ( they were quite careful and nice about it ) the plane failed every explosive test they did. However passed it - I had some letters explaining what they were and what fuel they were exposed to. This was signed and certified out here by an official of law.
At worse is was an extra 45 mins to my departure time. I have heard stories of others being denied access to board despite holding a ticket....
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PJ,
It's much easier to take if you understand you are a subject rather than a citizen.
OK, political commentary over.
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It's much easier to take if you understand you are a subject rather than a citizen.
The King is benevolent and just has our best interests at heart.
Brett
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Here are the scores from the top 10 in OTS from Ryan.
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PJ,
That is how I am planning to go. Build a take apart, convince Howard to haul it to Muncie in the back of his Prius, then fly and rent a car.
Hi Randy,
When we were seeing how to get to the team trials, fly there and borrow an airplane or drive and bring an airplane I was familiar with. We added all the gas money we spent on the way to Muncie, and the price of the hotel we stayed at, and then compared it with two tickets to get to Indianapolis. We found it was a mostly a wash and decided to drive. If we we lived on the west coast, or the team trials were in Tuscon as it was a possibility,we either wouldn't have gone or chosen to fly.
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Hi Randy,
When we were seeing how to get to the team trials, fly there and borrow an airplane or drive and bring an airplane I was familiar with. We added all the gas money we spent on the way to Muncie, and the price of the hotel we stayed at, and then compared it with two tickets to get to Indianapolis. We found it was a mostly a wash and decided to drive. If we we lived on the west coast, or the team trials were in Tuscon as it was a possibility,we either wouldn't have gone or chosen to fly.
When airline captains who are flying their own airline think it's impractical to fly cross-country to the NATs, I figure the rest of us don't have a chance. I only flew with an airplane box 3 times, but there was a problem all three times. I eventually got there but it was a nerve-wracking hassle.
Brett
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Brett : I know of the exact incident your referring to.. about the airline captain!
As far as I'm concerned coming from Australia was no issue - Having said that - LAX to Chicargo is always a bit of a "suck it and see". Wont prevent me from coming next year.
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If you want to do something bad enough you will drive anywhere to do it...
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My flying buddy Bob Hudak took 2nd place in intermediate with a great flying Legacy 40 powered by some electrons ! ;)
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When airline captains who are flying their own airline think it's impractical to fly cross-country to the NATs, I figure the rest of us don't have a chance. I only flew with an airplane box 3 times, but there was a problem all three times. I eventually got there but it was a nerve-wracking hassle.
Brett
Hi Brett,
I agree. For me, I don't think I would be flying anywhere to a contest in the US, unless I had a plane waiting for me when I got there.
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We all now know the difficulties. and Howard will packing ALL of our airplanes in his little electric car next year.
That said, How about the Nats reports and pictures that we are starved for? PLEASE
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When was Round one of Qualify?
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From the L pad pavillion...after one round...rain delay...at least two hours....
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Thanks Dave for the update!
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Bit of a correction...round one not quite complete on some circles. Round 1 on delay.
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When airline captains who are flying their own airline think it's impractical to fly cross-country to the NATs, I figure the rest of us don't have a chance. I only flew with an airplane box 3 times, but there was a problem all three times. I eventually got there but it was a nerve-wracking hassle.
Brett
Non-revenue flying SUCKS. (period). It can take an entire day and 2 or 3 missed flights before you get half way across the country. Even if you have a discounted ticket your still the first to get bumped off an over-booked flight. Your also fodder for a public TSA search and molestation - they love Airline employees. As a 30+ yr. Airline employee, when I go on vac... I drive.
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Dave F. Says we'll get a look at 1:00 pm EST to size it up. Air MUCH cooler. 'Stuff' sure to be different when we do go again......everybody set and trimmed for very hot and windy air.
Dave
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Derek,
Overall that's true, but financially, it hasn't been possible. Both time and money have prevented me from going. But not forever. I'll get there eventually.
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It's lifting...GAME ON!
Dave
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It's done....awaiting scores. Hope somebody else will send photos of score boards- I haven't had luck sending pics to the site from my phone.
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The AMA Nats News report has been posted as well.
But states that they will NOT post any scoring.
I see Paul W. has gone back to the original Impact bird with a GEO wing, electric, and (could be just the pic I saw...) maybe a larger stab.?
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SCORES:
Mike Schmitt sent these to me.
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Where's Doug Moon on qualifiying?
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Glad to see my boy Howard qualified. Good Job Mr. Rush!
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Where's Doug Moon on qualifiying?
2nd pic in Christ's last posting of scores.......
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2nd pic in Christ's last posting of scores.......
I see it thanks he qualified.
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Where's Doug Moon on qualifiying?
Both Moons made it ..way to go Steve.
...Congrads Mr Rush !!!
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Congratulations to Steve Fitton! He qualified!
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
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Looks like everybody is getting some really good flights in!!! Good luck to everybody in the shootout tomorrow, I"ll be waiting for reports!
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Both moons will be on Show in Top 20 day
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There is some tight flying as usual. Congrats to Fitton for making the top 20.
I look forward to Friday's results! Thanks for the updates and thanks to Allen for the excellent Nat's News!
Mike
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Yea Steve you rock .
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Now guys have done it. In the NATS News it was stated that no scores would be posted because the judges read the NATS News and the forums. I hope they have enough judges left after today that will be honest enough to say they have not seen scores of any kind so far for the final rounds and the top five, plus the Walker Cup. VD~
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Now guys have done it.
VD~
Hey Doc,
I think you are reading too much into this. Tomorrow is a new contest. The scores and the relative rankings of today are now meaningless. All the judges know is that the people they see tomorrow have made the top 20. Their scores today have no bearing on what happens tomorrow.
Keith
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You don't think the scores of the last two days will have an influance on the judges? I liked the judge that after the contest I competed in one year, asked me if I flew that day. H^^
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Now guys have done it. In the NATS News it was stated that no scores would be posted because the judges read the NATS News and the forums. I hope they have enough judges left after today that will be honest enough to say they have not seen scores of any kind so far for the final rounds and the top five, plus the Walker Cup. VD~
Doc,
All due respect, where does it say that the judges read the forums in Nats News? I see where Nats News won't publish scores but saying that the forums shouldn't either is a bit much.
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Marilou took some pictures of Paul Winter's airplane outdoors in better light.
I'd write more, but I have the first flight tomorrow.
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You know what they say Howard.
Early Bird gets the 585
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Posting these scores means nothing to the outcome of tomorrow. It's a new contest. No one has won anything yet.
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I want to know how Paul Winter painted that airplane!!
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Matt : With an airbrush.
Its possibly stencil sections included.
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Matt : With an airbrush.
Its possibly stencil sections included.
Duhh, (smacks myself in the face) HB~>
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Posting these scores means nothing to the outcome of tomorrow. It's a new contest. No one has won anything yet.
Robert, Looks like your busy year cost you, i sure hope you get the chance to fly more next year,, would LOVE to see you in the top 20 or better!!
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Today's semi-finals looks to be again a contest with Mother Nature. At 6:00 am it is foggy, 70 degrees and wind already at 12 mph NNW. It's supposed to top out at 80 (we're thankful after the heat we've had for a week here) but the winds are to remain tough or get worse. With intrepidation we go forth.....
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Very cold. Nasty wet mist. Winds measured 9.5 to 13. Most getting through with gritted teeth.
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Just watched Kaz put up a super flight with the Hellcat. More remarkable as he has been in great pain with the elbow all week. Having surgery when he gets home. Using both hands on level laps. I'll not be telling the sad stories but one ship pancaked, one withdrew.
Dave
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Dave,
Really appreciate the "live" updates. Thank you.
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Thanks Christ-know what it's like to sit at home and wonder. Wind might be letting up some. The electrics seem to be getting through pretty well.
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Sure nice to see Big Art, the Bear and John D'Otavio all in the house.
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RAIN DELAY...at somewhere near the half way mark.
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The radar shows it on about 1/2 the AMA property. It looks like it will move off soon.
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Under way again.
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Is there a chance that images of all of the complete control line combat results could be posted ?
Thanks, Paul
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Wind getting stiffer. Planes on the ground are needing to be weighted down. Birds are looking to go down to walking speed in the overheads.
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Howard on the circle for his 2nd flight.
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NICE ONE FOR HOWARD! Great intersections! That's no dog boys.
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Is there a chance that images of all of the complete control line combat results could be posted ?
Thanks, Paul
I'm sure they can be posted in the Combat section.
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Steve Fitton put in a very nice flight.
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Flights left to go: Kaz, Bill Rich, Doug Moon. Rich up now on 4. Kaz up on 3.
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You guys re amazing me out there, getting up at the crack o' dawn to some pretty marginal weather and hoping you don't catch a big pocket of no air. I hope things smooth out for you this afternoon.
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ENGINE FLAME OUT just after takeoff- Bill Rich. Up on second attempt.
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Marilou took some pictures of Paul Winter's airplane outdoors in better light.
I'd write more, but I have the first flight tomorrow.
I spot the tell tail outline of a 4 stroke muffler here. Can somebody tell me what Paul is running. Bob Reeves you should have spotted this LOL.
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Bill doing well now. Final flight (Moon) up on 3.
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All done but the countin' (and waiting). Still some doing over in Advanced. Wandering over....
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Nope-they just finished too. Sorry, I have no info there.
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Is anyone interested to know?
Walker. 1143
Kaz. 1136
D. Moon. 1131
Hunt. 1119.33
Rich. 1107
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Are the Advanced scores final yet? Thanks for your great coverage.
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Advanced
1. Eric Taylor
2. Jason Greer
3. Ricardo Martinez
4. Robert Harness Jr.
5. Paul Winter
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Thank you very much.
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Is anyone interested to know?
Walker. 1143
Kaz. 1136
D. Moon. 1131
Hunt. 1119.33
Rich. 1107
Wow, Doug is gettin it done!! Tell Doug I said;"Dont think you can,know you can". He'll know where that's from.
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Sent to me by Mike Schmitt
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Here's advanced and open from Ryan Young.
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Congrats to the top 5 and Eric Taylor for winning advanced. They all flew extremely well!
The Matrix was not up to the challenge. The Rain and 18+mph wind was too much for it. :'(
I guess I will have to build something new for next year...
Derek
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Congrats to the top 5 and Eric Taylor for winning advanced. They all flew extremely well!
The Matrix was not up to the challenge. The Rain and 18+mph wind was too much for it. :'(
I guess I will have to build something new for next year...
The best is when the pipe heat steams open all the joints around the tunnel, and lets oil in. That's why my current airplane is mostly not NATs-worthy any more.
I take it Geno was the victim of misfortune mentioned by Dave Trible.
Brett
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Congrats to the top 5 and Eric Taylor for winning advanced. They all flew extremely well!
The Rain and 18+mph wind was too much for it. :'(
Derek
Derek, the Saito 72 is killer is those type of conditions-serious that's it bread and butter! If you don't fold, it won't.
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But I see my boy Paul is in there. Looks like he's on.
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Derek, the Saito 72 is killer is those type of conditions-serious that's it bread and butter! If you don't fold, it won't.
Derek had no power problems , the Saito would have been zero advantage there
Randy
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Derek had no power problems , the Saito would have been zero advantage there
Randy
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Dave,
Thanks for the minute to minute updates.
Top five looks great. I don't know who to root for!
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Thanks Tom. Was pulling out for home first light in the morning but think I'll stay till no later than 10 am (I'm telling myself). Betting it will be done by then. I'll try to tell the story as I see it then, as the battery holds up and as any care to follow.
Dave
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Derek had no power problems , the Saito would have been zero advantage there
Randy
Randy is correct, power was not the problem. Lack of perfect trim and weight issues were to blame, along with my bad luck of getting two terrible wind flights. The wind was not great at any time today but it was better at some times and worse in others.
My Dreadnought (with the same engine and pipe) is better trimmed and has flown in worse wind than I flew in today with great success. When I made the decision to use the Matrix (about 2 hours before AP judging) I thought it was good enough to be competitive in any weather conditions that mother nature could throw at me. Apparently I was wrong. :(
Derek
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Randy is correct, power was not the problem. Lack of perfect trim and weight issues were to blame, along with my bad luck of getting two terrible wind flights. The wind was not great at any time today but it was better at some times and worse in others.
My Dreadnought (with the same engine and pipe) is better trimmed and has flown in worse wind than I flew in today with great success. When I made the decision to use the Matrix (about 2 hours before AP judging) I thought it was good enough to be competitive in any weather conditions that mother nature could throw at me. Apparently I was wrong. :(
Derek
Were there any 4-strokes in the top 20 ?
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Lack of perfect trim and weight issues were to blame, along with my bad luck of getting two terrible wind flights. The wind was not great at any time today but it was better at some times and worse in others.
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Derek
Sounds like the ship was too lite?
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Just want to say here that Derek got some of the worst wind gusts today during his last flight especially. Nothing gained here by over-analyzing the ship. Shake your fist at the clouds......
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Wow, Doug is gettin it done!! Tell Doug I said;"Dont think you can,know you can". He'll know where that's from.
There could be some irony there. We'll see on the morrow.
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There could be some irony there. We'll see on the morrow.
I just want to say congratulations to you Howard on your 11th place in that, I know you got that plane going at the very last possible moment. Amazing job to shake down a new stunter AND a new powerplant and place that high. Your plane must fly amazingly well.
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A great big thanks to Dave & Howard for the reports.
Reporters like these guys need a "Smokin Hot Weather Girl" to round out the crew!
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Allan,
I believe that Steve Moon had a 4 stroke. I don't know of any others.
I hope that Paul Winter will write an article in Stunt News on his how he applied his paint job. I don't know whether he personally air brushed or used stencils or????
This would be a great and informative article.
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Allan,
I believe that Steve Moon had a 4 stroke. I don't know of any others.
I wonder if he got the 56 Alpha to finally work. If he did, that would be amazing.
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Les I really like the way you think.....
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Steve used a Discovery Retro 60 in his Furias.
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Congrats to the top 5 and Eric Taylor for winning advanced. They all flew extremely well!
The Matrix was not up to the challenge. The Rain and 18+mph wind was too much for it. :'(
I guess I will have to build something new for next year...
Derek
That's too bad Derek. I was rooting for you! Hopefully next year you will have a choice between two good airplanes!
Congrats to Eric Taylor. He's been working up to this for some time.
Good luck to the top 5 tomorrow. I hope the weather makes it a flying contest rather than the luck of the draw.
Mike
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I saw the images on Paul Winter's plane move...
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Many thanx to Howard and also to Dave Trible for the updates and reports.
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Stunt Heaven weather tomorrow.
Brett
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Evening practice on the L pad and Doug Moon is putting up flights of towering awesomeness.
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Tell Doug to not put in all his hot flight today.
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Congrats to that "Arkansas Boy" Jason Greer, for his second place finish in Advanced. His electric, mono-kote Geo is an awesome "home built" piece of art. You have brought honor to the "Model Aviators of South Arkansas."
Norm
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Norm,
You beat me to it! Yes, contrats to Jason Greer on his second place finish in Advanced. looks like the Geo wing is a winner. I think Paul is flying one too. I guess we all ought to start building these wings judging how well they perform in bad conditions.
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I don't know about Paul Winter, but Paul Walker has an Impact wing.
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Thanks Norm and Crist! The weather conditions certainly made things interesting this morning!
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I don't know about Paul Winter, but Paul Walker has an Impact wing.
Howard,
I should have known. I read somehwere that Paul W is using a Geo wing on his new stunter. Would that make it an Impact wing?
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The best is when the pipe heat steams open all the joints around the tunnel, and lets oil in. That's why my current airplane is mostly not NATs-worthy any more.
Brett
What if you lined the pipe tunnel with alum. tape to reflect the heat?
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Howard,
I should have known. I read somehwere that Paul W is using a Geo wing on his new stunter. Would that make it an Impact wing?
On the AMA Nats News page (on the AMA site) a pic of Pauls new bird clearly shows a Geo RIB arrangement. But I would venture to bet that airfoil/s are Impact.
Its just the build style that would be Geodetic.
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What if you lined the pipe tunnel with alum. tape to reflect the heat?
Reminds me of the old Jetex days.
Lining the bottom of the fuse with foil to keep the Jetex exhaust from setting fire to the stick and tissue/dope finish.
Ah the good ol' days
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What if you lined the pipe tunnel with alum. tape to reflect the heat?
Mine is already that way The problem is steam forming in the tunnel when it rains.
Brett
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Good morning and Welcome to this webcast of the 2012 U.S. Nationals Open Precision Aerobatics Finals from the famous L Pad in Muncie, Indiana. Unlike the previous two weeks weather today will be perfect. The fliers are now taking warm up flights while the judges are in final preparation for the day's work-and surely they have. It's been brutal on this team including tabulators, runners and all involved who make this all come together. Many thanks to all. I see the seniors are warming up on 1. Gavin Barry is our sole Junior this year. We must ALL try to do soething about that.
Dave
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The Finals format will be as follows: All fliers will be flying before the same judges on circle 4. There are three rounds flown rather than the two used for qualification rounds. The pilots drew for flight order last evening. Round one will be:
Walker
Moon
Hunt
Rich
Minato
Round 2
Rich
Walker
Minato
Hunt
Moon
Round 3
Hunt
Rich
Minato
Moon
Walker
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And Walker is flying. ( Got fooled, circle 3 is the active circle. Warm ups for judges was on 4). The new Impact is typical Paul. Snappy. Looks great as always.
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Moon now....
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Smooth, tight. Some bottoms a little high but impressive.
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Bob Hunt now with Bud Weider holding.
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So smooth..so quiet. Bob makes it look so easy. Down now. Bill Rich coming on with his SV 22/ PA .65. ' Stunt Mongrel'. Says his new 'bionic eyes' work great.
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Very hard to find any fault here. You know you've 'made it' when folk stop looking at what you do right but rather what you do wrong. Nice flight. Minato now walking on.
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Kaz waved off-taking an attempt- burning off fuel. Seems to be struggling with the needle adjustments this morning.
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Dave,
A huge thanks for the blow-by-blow reporting!
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Kaz is cooling....Looking at senior flier Sam Niebel of the Smith Bros. Team fly his electric with retract landing gear...impressive. Kaz running now again.
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Dave,
A huge thanks for the blow-by-blow reporting!
Right on, right on.
I was going to go take an early morning spin on my new Sporster, but now I am stuck to the tube..
Congrats to Jason Greer on Advanced 2nd place. I will for sure make it to ElDorado in the Fall to check out the new bird..
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The wind just did a complete 180. Kaz did his insides with the wind in his face-backpedalling. Judges are migrating...
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Now the standard stuntman lament. "Where's the wind? Right where the sun is". Kaz is down and gets a huge round of applause.
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Right on, right on.
I was going to go take an early morning spin on my new Sporster, but now I am stuck to the tube..
Congrats to Jason Greer on Advanced 2nd place. I will for sure make it to ElDorado in the Fall to check out the new bird.. Hoping he might move up...
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Round 1 done. Bill Rich running to start #2. Ryan Young on the Senior circle looking good. (Grandpa should be proud). He put a new fuse on his Infinity and had some trim issues early in the week but ROOKING GRUD NOW.
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Nothin' but solid. Bill has it working today. Engine just cut. Nice roll out to right in front of the judges. The man from Washington is next.
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Don McClave releases and it's away. Paul has the bottoms on measure.
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Touchdown for Paul and a round of applause from the crowd. Kaz walking on now.
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Kaz inverts for start-Geno in the circle taking pics-time to come out now Gene! Kaz running well now. Has found that bottom neiborhood Paul lives in.
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In re to that last statement check those scores again from yesterday. Kaz finishing up a good one now.
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PERFECT landing..nice applause. About a third of the crowd are now standing in the bean field behind the judges.
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Keep an eye on Kaz!
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Mr. Hunt aloft. Bobby is on rather long solid lines. Smooth cat in the air and on the ground. Thanks to him for pitting me the other day.
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Doug Moon is up, sold the house on the moon(?) And moved to the bottoms where paul and Kaz reside.
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Doug can nail the bottoms, that's for sure!
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Nice applause for Doug. That concludes round 2. A short break is in order. (Intermission)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6jqaA_jeZ8
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Dave,
I appreciate getting the play by play from you here in Korea. Will most likely wait until it is over before calling it a night.
Thank you,
John
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This is great stuff you're doing Dave! The anticipation is killing me!! Keep the updates coming!!
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Bob Hunt just finishing the first flight of round 3 with perhaps his best flight of the day. Bill Rich now measuring it up from circle center-now cranking. The signal and she's burning fuel. Eric V. Let's her go.
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OUTSTANDING VERTICALS for Bill and generally a goot un'.
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Kaz now. Had to do a little fishing for the bottoms there on the wingover but found the address again.
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That elbow hurting Kaz again-two handing the level laps but doing a great job! Just cutting now.
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Applause and a nice bow from Mr. Minato as Doug Moon moves on.
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Maybe Doug's second best flight of the day. Well presented. Lands and great applause. That Walker guy approaches....
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Paul is just plugged in. Machine-like accuracy. Even I can see that bright orange fuse. That electric sounds like when you are getting your hair cut---zzzip. Zzzzip.
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Now he done did it- a cut-off loop! Nice go Paul.
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Well that concludes the flying of the open finals. I'll be back with placings as I know them. Then I'll need to conclude this webcast and make for Kansas. The Walker Cup and so forth will be availiable from other sources here. Again I'll be back to inform you of your new Champ shortly and must say I've enjoyed this today and hope you did!
Dave Trible
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That was great Dave thanks for the play by play.
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Ready? I'm proud to announce:
1. Doug Moon
2. Paul Walker
3. Bob Hunt
4. Kaz Minato
5. Bill Rich
Congratulation to Doug and all these fine gentlemen.
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Wow y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1 y1wow y1 y1
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WAY TO GO DOUG!!!!!!! #^ #^ #^
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Oh my word!!!! Doug did it?!!?! Wow, new name on the Walker cup. Nothing against any of the other flyers, they're all great flyers and great gentlemen, but new blood on there is always good for the event. I think it encourages the rest of us to try harder.
Dave Trible, you deserve a medal of some kind for the reporting!!! I think we should all give you a standing ovation! (Doing so now, the wife thinks I've lost it.)
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Ready? I'm proud to announce:
1. Doug Moon
2. Paul Walker
3. Bob Hunt
4. Kaz Minato
5. Bill Rich
Congratulation to Doug and all these fine gentlemen.
I am beside myself, Doug Moon has won the Nats OMG!!! This is just like F3A where the electrics dominate but the I.C.'s still punch through to the top LOL.
Dave your play by play reporting was fantastic.
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Congrats to Doug! Dave thanks for the reporting.
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Doug Moon is a dedicated individual who has contributed MUCH to our C/L hobby. I'm amazed and proud.
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Way to go Doug...DMAA Yeah!
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Riff-Raff plan or kit in the works ?
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Ready? I'm proud to announce:
1. Doug Moon
2. Paul Walker
3. Bob Hunt
4. Kaz Minato
5. Bill Rich
Congratulation to Doug and all these fine gentlemen.
Fantastic reporting Dave... Thanks a bunch ~>
Congrats to Mr. Moon
#^
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A HUGE CONGRATULATIONS to Doug Moon! And fine job for all those gentlemen who made the Top 5.
Bill
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Awesome play by play. Congrats to Doug Moon, the Jr and Sr winners.
I didn't see the Walker cup fly-off results although someone stated he won. (Maybe we just assume the open winner wins the cup?).
I look forward to learning who wins the concours.
Mike
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Congratulations to Doug... Our guy from Dallas!
Doug will also be the new Pampa Disdrict VIII VP. I had considered running, but when I heard that Doug wanted the job, I threw my support to him. I have pledged to support and help him as much as possible. Doug is a perfect example of the mature, younger blood that we need.
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Congratulations Doug. I bet Big Brother is all smiles too.
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Doug!!! Way to go!!
It was a tough field and you prevailed, totally cool. You would have had to work for it with Paul flying so well all week.
Congrats
Bruce
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Congrats Doug - Go Texas!
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Can't wait for scores, videos, and blow by blow hanger talk.
That was cool to be reading this a.m.
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Way to fly, Doug! Congrats!
Bob
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MOOOOOOOON!
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Congratulations Doug, I knew you could do it. Now you have some good material for your first Stunt News column!
Don
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Can't wait for scores, videos, and blow by blow hanger talk.
That's what I am waiting for.
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Full Mooooooooon tonight!
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Doug is THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have talked to him a few times since it ended and I get the impression that it has not sunk in yet. I keep calling him Champ to help it along...
Derek
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Doug,
Congratulations from Brazil. We are all talking about you!
Martin
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Way to go Dougie! It was great to see the look on the Bears face when you won!
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Congratulations to all the Walker Cup Fliers...and especially to Doug Moon.
Nice to see a new name on the Cup...
It's been obvious for a long time that you have the "Right Stuff"...Glad you finally got to prove it!
Randy Cuberly
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Doug is THE MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have talked to him a few times since it ended and I get the impression that it has not sunk in yet. I keep calling him Champ to help it along...
Pretty awesome! But, very close one year, crash the next year, win the after that? That's the winning combination...
Brett
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Congrats to Doug. And an IC plane wins. Gee, it seems they still work.
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Congrats to Doug. And an IC plane wins. Gee, it seems they still work.
Randy, this going to more and more like F3A where, 50 guys will be at a contest and 49 of them will be electric, and the one guy with his YS 175 Dingo blows them all away.
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I cannot argue if Electric will completely take over CLPA, but slimers will still be around for a while.
Some people are like Aaron and I. We have (3) PA .61, (2) PA .51, and (2) PA .40, and not counting the T&L ST G.51s, AT .36s, OS .40VFs, Saito .72, etc.. So to go out and turn completely electric will take more money than I will ever have.
Just my take on things......
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
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Congratulations to Doug. Well done. Now I feel like a schmuck for predicting him to place third.
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Congratulations Mr Moon and all those who made it to the Nats.
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Congratulations Doug Moon.
I bet he's Over the Moon.. ~>
Welldone to all Sounds like Stunt heaven.
Paul was so close...
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Congrats Doug!!!! H^^ Absolutely thrilled to see you put your name on the cup! CLP**. Glad someone who was a rookie when I was, come all the way to the top. It has been seventeen nats ago since I flew my first nats with Doug and Steve in Adnvanced. Way to go Doug!
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Has it been that many years?? Way to go Doug and I hope many more for you, unless little brother steps it up. H^^
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Hello from Steve's Suburban on the way home from the Nats.
Thanks for all the kind words. All I can really say right now is WOW!
To say this week was a whirlwind would be an understatement.
I want to say thanks to those who helped along the way.
There is no way I could have pulled it off without the help of so many.
Thanks!
I am posting from my phone. Later when we get back I will write something up about the whole week.
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I saw the images on Paul Winter's plane move...
Stop breathing the fumes from Dan's jet fuel and the images will remain stationary.
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Winning sure makes the drive home easier, doesn'tit Doug?
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Well, the trip home could have it's adventures, there's more to the story, the Walker Cup's history is being added to, just wait and see.....
Od
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Winning sure makes the drive home easier, doesn'tit Doug?
Not winning, on the other hand...
Brett
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" Not winning, on the other hand... " - Brett Buck
Motivates you to improve for next year ?
Thats all we need Paul to be annoyed and motivated.
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..... The moons didn't have an "easy" drive home. I'm sure they will post pics....
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..... The moons didn't have an "easy" drive home. I'm sure they will post pics....
Good thing Steve is a bearing replacement expert(!)
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Yep, we only made it about 230 of our 950 mile drive before the right front bearing/hub assembly
on the Suburban crapped out. We were rolling along almost to Salem, IL, Doug driving and me napping
when the ABS light came on. Doug asked me about it, what it might mean, I said "That jus means I
gotta spend more f-ing money". About 30 minutes later the truck started pulling a little to the right and
making odd noises. The next thing we know we can hear parts coming out the bottom of the truck,
bouncing off the road, and hitting the bottom of the truck. Hard on the brakes and pull off the road!
Originally, we thought maybe the brake pads had disintegrated, but after investigating determined
the bearing had let go. Fortunately an IL state trooper pulled up about ten or fifteen minutes later
and called a wrecker for us. He took us about seven miles up the road to Salem and the local O'rielly
Auto Parts shop. We put the truck in the parking lot under a shade tree, bought the part, borrowed
some tools and fixed it right there in a little over an hour. The guys at O'rielly were really cool about
helping us out. With a stop at Subway on the way out our total delay was three hours and fifteen
minutes.
I guess it had to happen sooner or later. This was Nats trip number seventeen to Muncie, and our
first breakdown.
Later, Steve
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Congrats to you and Doug. Doug is the new champ and you placed well.
Then y'all overcame the bearing issue and all is well.
IO hope that both of you can make it to the Dallas next meeting.
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We put the truck in the parking lot under a shade tree, bought the part, borrowed
some tools and fixed it right there in a little over an hour
We used a couple of pieces of the Walker Cup to fabricate a bushing.......and all went well!
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First win - First breakdown..
No pun intended - you win some you lose some..
If you could take back either ?
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Milt said: "this going to more and more like F3A where, 50 guys will be at a contest and 49 of them will be electric, and the one guy with his YS 175 Dingo blows them all away."
Look at the 3 top 5 flights. Paul, Doug and Bob all won a flight. No one blew the others away.
This shows that the top 3 guys are fiercely competitive and the win had nothing to do with the power used. My hat is off to all three. They had a week of drastically varying flying conditions, showing that they are all capable of the big win.
Again, I congratulate Doug for joining a very exclusive club.
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I'd like to start off by saying this post is not intended to start a BOM-non BOM argument. Being new I'd like to know how the appearance points come into play during the NATS. Are they added every flight to your score? Also just curious how the top 5's appearance points came into play. I'm not trying to minimalize anyones flying, just curious.
Steve
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I'd like to start off by saying this post is not intended to start a BOM-non BOM argument. Being new I'd like to know how the appearance points come into play during the NATS. Are they added every flight to your score? Also just curious how the top 5's appearance points came into play. I'm not trying to minimalize anyones flying, just curious.
Steve
At the Nats, appearance judging is accomplished before official flights. You may have seen pictures where all of the airplanes are placed on a floor and the appearance judges do their thing during the pilots" meeting held in another room. For the Open competition, appearance points are added to each official flight during the qualification rounds, during the semi-finals rounds and for each flight in the final 5. Appearance points are also included in the official flights in the separate Junior and Senior competitions. Once the Junior, Senior and Open Champions are determined, there is a Walker Cup flyoff to determine the National Stunt Champion. Appearance points are not included in the flight scores for the Walker Cup flyoff.
Appearance points for the Advanced entries are judged at the same time as the JSO entries and those points are also added for each official flight in the Avanced competition. However, the BOM rule is not required for the Advanced skill class, so non BOM models in the Advanced will class will not receive appearance points.
Keith
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Randy, this going to more and more like F3A where, 50 guys will be at a contest and 49 of them will be electric, and the one guy with his YS 175 Dingo blows them all away.
Christophe won the F3A World R/C Aerobatic Championship again last summer with YS power; one of his major sponsors. Saw him fly at a TOC in 1997 . Incredible talent.
Many high end F3A pilots - as well as " journeyman" R/C pattern guys, had difficulty setting up, maintaining and purchasing ( $$$$)the latest YS engines and consequently, went to electric for one reason or another.
IMO, the last user friendly YS engines were the 120s and FZ 140s.The 160s, 170CDI and the newest 175 CDI are complex powerplants and require the competition pilot be two-three deep in spare engines; to say nothing of spare parts.
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I am so proud!!!
Way to go my brothers...
Brad
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Yep, we only made it about 230 of our 950 mile drive before the right front bearing/hub assembly
on the Suburban crapped out. We were rolling along almost to Salem, IL, Doug driving and me napping
when the ABS light came on. Doug asked me about it, what it might mean, I said "That jus means I
gotta spend more f-ing money". About 30 minutes later the truck started pulling a little to the right and
making odd noises. The next thing we know we can hear parts coming out the bottom of the truck,
bouncing off the road, and hitting the bottom of the truck. Hard on the brakes and pull off the road!
Originally, we thought maybe the brake pads had disintegrated, but after investigating determined
the bearing had let go. Fortunately an IL state trooper pulled up about ten or fifteen minutes later
and called a wrecker for us. He took us about seven miles up the road to Salem and the local O'rielly
Auto Parts shop. We put the truck in the parking lot under a shade tree, bought the part, borrowed
some tools and fixed it right there in a little over an hour. The guys at O'rielly were really cool about
helping us out. With a stop at Subway on the way out our total delay was three hours and fifteen
minutes.
I guess it had to happen sooner or later. This was Nats trip number seventeen to Muncie, and our
first breakdown.
Later, Steve
Out here, "Schuck's Auto Parts" stores were recently re-branded to "O'Reilly Auto Parts". Schuck's was notorious for giving you the wrong parts, so maybe I should stop into my O'Reilly's and see if they are any different. Good that you got the right parts and some co-operation from the store's employees. The one time I had a problem, I had to go to a NAPA store (Omak, WA), and got zero help and co-operation. Asked to borrow a deadblow hammer or hunk of 4x4 to knock on the "Bearing Buddy" that they'd just sold me for my boat trailer. "No."
Anyway, congratulations to Doug for the win. A very good thing for the event, IMO. I would be interested in knowing Paul's and Doug's AP's, and if PW was flying the same eImpact that he flew at Stunt-a-thon in late June. That one was awarded 15 AP's and cost him the win. Chris Cox got 19 AP's and won by a couple. H^^ Steve
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Winning sure makes the drive home easier, doesn'tit Doug?
I missed this post.
Paul,
Winning does make the trip home ALOT easier, even when you blow a bearing at the beginning and add 3:15 to the trip. You know all about the trip home as a winner, 10 times over!!!
I remember placing 5th. I was amazed and quite proud to have done so.
I remember placing 3rd after a 5 year hiatus. I was ecstatic with my performance and was very fortunate the judges felt my flying deserved that placing.
I remember placing 2nd. I was pleased with my flying but really bent up that I couldn't pull it off when I was so close. So many "If only..." comments.
I remember the trip home after crashing, it sucked.
This trip home was surreal. Seeing the enormous trophy case on top of the car, I must have snapped 10 pics of it. I really couldn't believe it had happened. Even now sometimes it seems as though it hasn't really sunk in all the way.
Yes the trip home was much much easier. I even came up with a new paint scheme idea. :)
I plan to try to make that the feeling on the way home as many times as I can.
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Yeah Doug, hang onto it and use it for motivation for next year for a REPEAT! Super congrats, my friend!
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And Ted telling him to get out!
Brett
Actually, I owe Bubba Hunt an apology over that "moment in time". We had had some problems with the scales and needed to re-weight several airplanes including Bob's. When we put it on the scale it read like "zero" or something similarly impossible. Somebody said there was no battery in it and, sure enough, there wasn't. Not wanting to pass up an opportunity to "needle" on of my favorite stunt fliers I accused him of leaving it out on purpose in order to get a minus twenty pound pull test. Bob made it clear to me that the battery had been there when it was weighed the first time and he had then taken it out...I suppose to keep me from stealing it...or maybe because it was the only one he has and he needs to keep it charge...I'm not sure which.
At any rate, Bubba. My apologies if I offended you! (Spoken in my best "politician" covering his "you know what" tone of voice)
Ted
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Somebody gives me video of this thing flying, and there will be a foam wing in it for you-serious.
Milt,
I judged the ship and it flew very, very well. I frankly expected some negative pitching moment difficulties with flaps as potentially effective as these but there was no evidence of anything other than fine flying. Had to compliment Wes after the event was over. Very, very innovative. Hope he publishes something about the installation and drive mechanisms.
Ted
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Milt,
I judged the ship and it flew very, very well. I frankly expected some negative pitching moment difficulties with flaps as potentially effective as these but there was no evidence of anything other than fine flying. Had to compliment Wes after the event was over. Very, very innovative. Hope he publishes something about the installation and drive mechanisms.
Ted
Amazing. We have seen Vortex generators,Fowler flaps, Canalizers all at this years Nats. All proving to be effective for the individual. Hmmm
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The links don't appear to work. Let's try this again.
Paul Walker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZhdSLKGa_A
Kaz Minato
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA1AuXcUR_k
Bob Hunt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=960MhZOuZMM
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Bobby, that is funny. Every one should watch theses videos close. Bobby and Paul both showed how the squares should be exited. Also watching the videos back to back I could see where points were lost on each flight. Of course the camera angle and the zooming probably had some to do with what I saw. If only someone could have got the finals day flights, that would have been interesting to watch. But, congrats to all who competed and flew. H^^
By the way forgot to say thanks for the videos. I can see they were using the north east corner of the L pad.jeh
Forgot to add watch the launching of the planes that Mike Haverly does. Just release the plane. No jerking of the arms up. Way to go Mike.
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I was waiting for everyone to stop arguing about the Expert class so we could discuss these videos. Quick disclaimer; this is just one video of each flight and we don’t know where they fit in the scheme of things. Good-thats out of the way.
I thought Kaz had it going baby!!! He had EVERYTHING going his way until he bounced his landing-GROAN.
Of course Bob is still Mr. Intersection, you can’t take him there, you just can’t.
Paul’s work down low had them cold. This was by far, the best bottom work of the group.
Let me make this clear. If I went to the Nats, and put in a flight like KAZ, I would go home happy no matter where I placed.
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All three videos are from the 3rd round. I apologize for not capturing Doug Moon's and Bill Rich's flights. It would have been interesting to throw those into the mix, especially as Doug was the eventual winner.
Fred
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All three videos are from the 3rd round. I apologize for not capturing Doug Moon's and Bill Rich's flights. It would have been interesting to throw those into the mix, especially as Doug was the eventual winner.
Fred
Yep Bill's best flight was round 3, Doug's was round 2, Tough competition........ y1
Randy
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The European F3A Championships has just concluded. Out of 72 total planes, 6 were I.C., 66 were electric. The I.C.'s took First and Second. There is no doubt about it, the best and most sophisticated electrics in the world, our simply having a tough time dealing with the superchargers on the YS's. The top YS flyer won every single round.
Interestingly enough, the YS cannot match the instantaneous torque of the electrics,(just like electric cars etc.) But apparently, when the superchargers come on, it comes on with so much punch, it just seems to out hustle the electrics.
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Also the guys on the transmitters are probably putting a lot of effort into it also. Nothing like having it all together. H^^
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Allen