Author Topic: 2012 World Champs (Read 23614 times)

Bob Hunt · « **Reply #100 on:** August 29, 2012, 01:49:05 PM »

Great news! Had me worried a bit there for a while, but they came through in good shape. Mucho congrats!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first Shark in the order is in 7th place, and that one is being flown by the guy who designed (or at least co-designed) and built it. So, technically, that one isn't even an ARF... Don't see a problem here in that regard. The "Sharks" are not devouring everything in sight. Homemade models still rule, even where there is no BOM...

Bob Hunt

Bill Little · « **Reply #101 on:** August 29, 2012, 01:58:39 PM »

Quote from: darkstar1 on August 29, 2012, 12:53:58 PM

Congrats to the US winning the team gold! If these results are official.

Hi Darrell,

We still have the finals to go, but it is looking good for a team Championship. And also, hopefully, an Individual World Champion!

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #102 on:** August 29, 2012, 02:09:10 PM »

Bill,
I could be mistaken but the finals only determines the individual medalists. Thats why a high placing Junior can count toward a teams placing.

Trostle · « **Reply #103 on:** August 29, 2012, 02:17:17 PM »

Quote from: darkstar1 on August 29, 2012, 12:53:58 PM

Congrats to the US winning the team gold! If these results are official.

Team results are not final until the final rounds are completed. However, based on who is and is not in the final rounds of the top 15 pilots, the USA, the Ukraine and China have 3 finalists in the final 15 and the placings of the remainder essentially will pit the USA, the Ukraine, and China for the team championship depending on the individual placings of those 9 pilots. Even if the two from Slovakia still remain in 1st and 2nd, the placing of their third member, which is 40th and will not change, thus essentially eliminating any chance they have for the team championship. Japan and Russia have their three team members in the top 25 with Japan currently having a slight edge of those two. If the relative placings after the finals do not change, the US team is in a good position, Ukraine would be 2nd, China would be 3rd, Japan 4th, and Russia 5th.

Looking at the scores during the second rounds of flights, much credit should be given to Paul, Orestes and David for their perseverance to make this a great showing so far. And we will probably never know how much Bill Lee and Don McClave have contributed to our team so far.

And the World Champion is yet to be determined with a brand new contest starting tomorrow.

Keith

(Initial post was in error based on the unofficlal score board posted in an earlier thread. This post corrected to reflect official FAI posting of the 4 qualification rounds.)

uwe kehnen · « **Reply #104 on:** August 29, 2012, 02:27:18 PM »

Here are the results from the Bulgarien website.
3 finalists from the USA and China

Best Regards Claudia

steven yampolsky · « **Reply #105 on:** August 29, 2012, 03:00:16 PM »

David is not catching any breaks. He's the first flight of the day

http://f2rus.ru/images/stories/content/2012/Bolgarya/290820122637.jpg

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #106 on:** August 29, 2012, 03:11:10 PM »

Any writeup anywhere on the planes? Stats, electric vs. glow, how long they've been in the air, etc.?

proparc · « **Reply #107 on:** August 29, 2012, 03:14:21 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on August 29, 2012, 01:49:05 PM

The "Sharks" are not devouring everything in sight.
Bob Hunt

Pretty "catchy" Bob.

Trostle · « **Reply #108 on:** August 29, 2012, 03:15:37 PM »

Quote from: darkstar1 on August 29, 2012, 02:09:10 PM

Bill,
I could be mistaken but the finals only determines the individual medalists. Thats why a high placing Junior can count toward a teams placing.

Darkstar,

I think at one time the Team placings were determined solely on the placings after the qualifying rounds. After it was brought to the attention of some FAI officials that a scenario could result where it was possible for the three team members from one country to finish 1st, 2nd, and 3rd after the finals rounds, and that team might not win the team championship because of each of them might have had a comparatively poorer placing in the top 15 after the qualifying rounds. I am fairly certain that the Team placings are now determined by the individual placings AFTER the finals rounds to prevent this nightmare from ever happening.

The way the rule now reads is that "To establish the national scores for team classification add the numerical placing of the three team members of each nation...." So, after the finals, a team member has only one "numerical placing". That is his placing after the finals. Only the placing of a team member in the top 15 would be used for calculation of the team score, not the placing prior to the finals.

The score of a high placing Junior can still be used to determine the three-man team score.

Keith

Trostle · « **Reply #109 on:** August 29, 2012, 03:23:22 PM »

Quote from: Steven Yampolsky on August 29, 2012, 03:00:16 PM

David is not catching any breaks. He's the first flight of the day

http://f2rus.ru/images/stories/content/2012/Bolgarya/290820122637.jpg

The "David Hex" continues. Drawing for early/first flights is not unusual for him. Look who is second to fly in the last round. At these Championships, we can count of David getting an early flight draw, or get some of the worst weather of the day, or anything else that can go wrong. But we can also count of David doing a magnificent job.

Keith

RC Storick · « **Reply #110 on:** August 29, 2012, 03:25:15 PM »

Quote from: Bob Hunt on August 29, 2012, 01:49:05 PM

Great news! Had me worried a bit there for a while, but they came through in good shape. Mucho congrats!

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first Shark in the order is in 7th place, and that one is being flown by the guy who designed (or at least co-designed) and built it. So, technically, that one isn't even an ARF... Don't see a problem here in that regard. The "Sharks" are not devouring everything in sight. Homemade models still rule, even where there is no BOM...

Bob Hunt

Also we don't know what many of the others are flying to until the final resuls and matching airplanes we don't know whos doing what.

Claudio Chacon · « **Reply #111 on:** August 29, 2012, 03:33:42 PM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on August 28, 2012, 10:35:35 PM

Oh, I know it's easy to get, I have had one one and off for 30+ years. What I think would not be well-received is having to pay an extra $~~$25~~ $50 or whatever it currently might be, just to fly in one contest. It wouldn't bother me but I know it would bother other likely entrants.

What I meant by a reciprocal agreement is like we have with our brothers from the Great White North, AKA America Jr. AKA Canada. If some of those lovable toque-wearing hosers come to an AMA contest, their MAAC License is recognized and they can enter using that and not buy an AMA license. Likewise if some of us overbearing surfer types go up to Canada to fly in their contests, we show our AMA cards and we don't have to join the MAAC. Or at least that is what it used to be.

The idea was little more than a passing thought, but if we are ever going to have a World Cup I expect it will be attached to an existing big contest like Golden State or the NWR.

Brett

I agree completely with you, Brett. Our own aeromodelling federation charge us the equivalent to 100 US dollars to get the FAI license. How about that!
It should be free of charge for everyone.

Claudio.

proparc · « **Reply #112 on:** August 29, 2012, 03:41:00 PM »

I know I going to get banned from this site but, I'm still sticking with Igor Burger on this rodeo.

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #113 on:** August 29, 2012, 03:42:42 PM »

Thanks Keith
I stand corrected.

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #114 on:** August 29, 2012, 03:56:34 PM »

Quote from: darkstar1 on August 29, 2012, 03:42:42 PM

Thanks Keith
I stand corrected. And remember I did say if.

Bill Little · « **Reply #115 on:** August 29, 2012, 04:09:47 PM »

Does any one know the status of Kim Doherty of Canada? Was he unable to attend?

Thanks
Bill

Trostle · « **Reply #116 on:** August 29, 2012, 04:57:43 PM »

Quote from: darkstar1 on August 29, 2012, 03:42:42 PM

Thanks Keith
I stand corrected.

You are welcome, but I am not absolutely sure that the ranking from the qualfying rounds are not used to determine team standings. It was supposed to have been changed, but I do not know if the current wording in the FAI rules really changes that or not. I think the current wording does fix that, but others could argue otherwise.

Keith

PJ Rowland · « **Reply #117 on:** August 29, 2012, 05:17:44 PM »

Well done to everyone who bounced back to normality after the sever weather of the first 2 days.

Does anyone know what happened to Richard K ?

proparc · « **Reply #118 on:** August 29, 2012, 05:22:06 PM »

Quote from: PJ Rowland on August 29, 2012, 05:17:44 PM

Does anyone know what happened to Richard K ?

Yeah, where's the defending champion?

steven yampolsky · « **Reply #119 on:** August 29, 2012, 05:44:03 PM »

Quote from: proparc on August 29, 2012, 05:22:06 PM

Yeah, where's the defending champion?

The entire German team is missing from the flight roster!

proparc · « **Reply #120 on:** August 29, 2012, 05:55:09 PM »

Quote from: Steven Yampolsky on August 29, 2012, 05:44:03 PM

The entire German team is missing from the flight roster!

My goodness, the German F2B Team qualification rounds must have been particularly brutal!!

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #121 on:** August 29, 2012, 06:09:23 PM »

Quote from: Trostle on August 29, 2012, 03:23:22 PM

The "David Hex" continues. Drawing for early/first flights is not unusual for him. Look who is second to fly in the last round. At these Championships, we can count of David getting an early flight draw, or get some of the worst weather of the day, or anything else that can go wrong. But we can also count of David doing a magnificent job.

Keith

Any truth to the rumor that they be using Howard's program to draw flight order?

Steve

Steve Hines · « **Reply #122 on:** August 29, 2012, 07:19:57 PM »

Did we have a Junior this year? Bob is right about BOM, dont see any arf winning. The cream allways makes it to the top. Nice to see only flying points.

Steve

Matt Colan · « **Reply #123 on:** August 29, 2012, 07:34:06 PM »

Quote from: Steve Hines on August 29, 2012, 07:19:57 PM

Did we have a Junior this year? Bob is right about BOM, dont see any arf winning. The cream allways makes it to the top. Nice to see only flying points.

Steve

Hi Steve,

No Junior this year. I couldn't go as I'm in Daytona right now, and Ryan texted me back in July saying he couldn't go. Sadly no juniors this year...

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #124 on:** August 29, 2012, 07:42:33 PM »

Quote from: Matt Colan on August 29, 2012, 07:34:06 PM

Hi Steve,

No Junior this year. I couldn't go as I'm in Daytona right now, and Ryan texted me back in July saying he couldn't go. Sadly no juniors this year...

If only I'd known. I woulda got a birth certificate made in Hawaii, stating that I was born there in '99.

Steve

Keith Renecle · « **Reply #125 on:** August 29, 2012, 10:41:42 PM »

The full results in pdf format are now on the world champs website http://www.f2abcd.com/download/download.php?file=f2b.pdf

The top 4 are all electric and the rest are mainly un-piped engines. The Chinese are flying 4-bangers. Igor Burger is the man to beat so far and I believe that he will come out on top. Paul Walker put in some great flights yesterday and is definitely in the running for a top 3 spot. Having said that, the top 4 are electric, Alex Shrek pranged his electric model in the rough weather and is flying a back-up IC engined model on a pipe. I believe that he has been working hard and his e-stunter could be ready to fly before the finals. Yesterday had very good flying weather so this helped to improve most people's scores.

Keith R

Derek Barry · « **Reply #126 on:** August 30, 2012, 04:44:54 AM »

It is amazing that at every WC all three of the Chinese team seem to make it into the finals after the FAI jury has time to review the scores...

Just sayin

Derek

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #127 on:** August 30, 2012, 04:50:13 AM »

Derek,
Lets add to that, I just checked the weather and It looks like Stunt heaven for both days. So everyone has a shot to CRANK IT UP!

!

Derek Barry · « **Reply #128 on:** August 30, 2012, 04:54:02 AM »

Quote from: darkstar1 on August 30, 2012, 04:50:13 AM

Derek,
Lets add to that, I just checked the weather and It looks like Stunt heaven for both days. So everyone has a shot to CRANK IT UP! !

Good deal. GO TEAM USA!!!!!!

Derek

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #129 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:17:46 AM »

Well, as we type the first two rounds are done. Hopefully the results are good.

Derek Barry · « **Reply #130 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:21:47 AM »

I wish I was there. I will be trying out for the next one for sure. The WC is a hard contest and a lot of money but there is nothing like being there. I hope we get an update soon.

Derek

Brett Buck · « **Reply #131 on:** August 30, 2012, 11:07:51 AM »

Quote from: darkstar1 on August 30, 2012, 04:50:13 AM

Derek,
Lets add to that, I just checked the weather and It looks like Stunt heaven for both days. So everyone has a shot ...

If I was there I would be praying for 15mph over the trees! In good air the scores bunch up and the results can get to be almost random based on tiny mistakes. That's why everyone has a shot...

Brett

Paul Walker · « **Reply #132 on:** August 30, 2012, 11:29:57 AM »

Today's weather was 0 steady with VARIABLE 1 MPH winds. Stunt heaven it is not.

Derek Barry · « **Reply #133 on:** August 30, 2012, 11:45:38 AM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on August 30, 2012, 11:07:51 AM

If I was there I would be praying for 15mph over the trees! In good air the scores bunch up and the results can get to be almost random based on tiny mistakes. That's why everyone has a shot...

Brett

I get your point but I don't think I would ever pray for 15mph over the trees. We have 15 to 20 over the trees every year at KOI and it is no fun!

Derek

Derek Barry · « **Reply #134 on:** August 30, 2012, 11:46:28 AM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on August 30, 2012, 11:29:57 AM

Today's weather was 0 steady with VARIABLE 1 MPH winds. Stunt heaven it is not.

That is no fun either... Hope you guys had your walking shoes on.

Derek

Randy Powell · « **Reply #135 on:** August 30, 2012, 11:57:25 AM »

Paul is a master in turbulent conditions. And he can moonwalk.

Doug Moon · « **Reply #136 on:** August 30, 2012, 01:52:14 PM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on August 30, 2012, 11:29:57 AM

Today's weather was 0 steady with VARIABLE 1 MPH winds. Stunt heaven it is not.

Yuck, I call that stunt garbage. It's like flying in a vacumm. It sucks. I hope all worked out well. I cant wait for the results.

I am going nuts checking the site every 10 minutes or so.

I would never pray for wind over the trees either. We have that year round in Dallas. What you get is pure luck of the draw. It might be 12 over the trees for the guy ahead of you and 16 over the trees for you just a few minutes later. It stinks when that happens.

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #137 on:** August 30, 2012, 02:14:17 PM »

Quote from: Derek Barry on August 30, 2012, 04:44:54 AM

It is amazing that at every WC all three of the Chinese team seem to make it into the finals after the FAI jury has time to review the scores...

Just sayin

Derek

I only see two "CHN" in the top 15, and none anywhere below that on the part of the results you posted. You got me puzzled by your statement! ??

I would wish for "stunt heaven"...overcast and steady 5mph wind, with no trees or buildings upwind, and let the best flier win. But I also know Paul and I wouldn't ever bet against him. When the going gets tough, Paul really bears down and can do amazing stuff. I just hope the judges are fair, unbiased, and have read the rulebook.

Steve

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #138 on:** August 30, 2012, 02:17:50 PM »

Quote from: Doug Moon on August 30, 2012, 01:52:14 PM

I would never pray for wind over the trees either. We have that year round in Dallas. What you get is pure luck of the draw. It might be 12 over the trees for the guy ahead of you and 16 over the trees for you just a few minutes later. It stinks when that happens.

Hopefully That wont happen this weekend in Dallas. Of course thats Driven by Issac. But I would prefer a open field
and a 5-10 MPH wind. Ooops! Didn't get that last year did we!

See U this weekend

Trostle · « **Reply #139 on:** August 30, 2012, 02:33:50 PM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on August 30, 2012, 02:14:17 PM

I only see two "CHN" in the top 15, and none anywhere below that on the part of the results you posted. You got me puzzled by your statement! ??

(CLIP)

ISteve

Steve,

Something happened between last Tuesday night and Wednesday morning (our time). Late Tuesday, there was what I understood to be an official posting of the results of the four qualifying flights. In that listing, the Chinese had 12th and 14th place, and from what was posted, any other Chinese would have been below 29th. Then, lo and behold, Wednesday morning, on the Championships website, the listing shows the Chinese in 12th, 14th and 15th after the four qualifying rounds. This is not unusual at these things to see scores/names shuffled around after "official" standings have been published. Sometimes, this is because of errors in the tabulation, or posting or there could have been a protest about how a flight was scored. (I have no idea of the system being used there, but I am familiar with one Championships where there was ONE person doing all of the tabulation for F2B. That was almost 80 pilots, 4 flights, 3 judges per flight! We sometimes would not get scores until after midnight. And "corrections/adjustments" would go on to the next day.)

Keith

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #140 on:** August 30, 2012, 02:45:15 PM »

Reminds me of a movie title. You probably know the one I mean. "Oh God". How FUBAR is that? FAI strikes again!

One thing I've wondered about...does Sandy Piminoff (sp?) show up at CL WC's and make a pest of himself? I have observed him at several World FF Champs, and my opinion is not a good one. Maybe he's not President anymore? I hope!

Steve

Norvaldo · « **Reply #141 on:** August 30, 2012, 03:05:59 PM »

After 2 of 3 flyoffs.
Looks very similar to the qualifying....

steven yampolsky · « **Reply #142 on:** August 30, 2012, 03:08:44 PM »

Quote from: Norvaldo on August 30, 2012, 03:05:59 PM

After 2 of 3 flyoffs

Beat me to it. It looks like Igor is walking away from the rest of the group! He's already 85 points ahead of the nearest competitor! With just one flight left, unless something drastic happens, this WC is Igor's to win.

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #143 on:** August 30, 2012, 03:29:52 PM »

Is it the total of best 2 of 3, or total of all 3?

Steve

RandySmith · « **Reply #144 on:** August 30, 2012, 03:39:00 PM »

Best 2 flights

Randy

Claudio Chacon · « **Reply #145 on:** August 30, 2012, 04:16:49 PM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on August 30, 2012, 02:45:15 PM

Reminds me of a movie title. You probably know the one I mean. "Oh God". How FUBAR is that? FAI strikes again!

One thing I've wondered about...does Sandy Piminoff (sp?) show up at CL WC's and make a pest of himself? I have observed him at several World FF Champs, and my opinion is not a good one. Maybe he's not President anymore? I hope! Steve

Hi Steve,
Indeed, Sandy Pimenoff is no longer the CIAM president. The current one is Antonis Papadopoulos.

Dan Bregar · « **Reply #146 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:07:13 PM »

Anyone know if F2A is done yet ?

Dan

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #147 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:47:17 PM »

Quote from: Dan Bregar on August 30, 2012, 05:07:13 PM

Anyone know if F2A is done yet ?

Dan

Yes and result at the top is almost like a broken record.
But congrats to the US speed team for their Bronze Medal.
That is if the results are offical

Randy Powell · « **Reply #148 on:** August 30, 2012, 05:55:59 PM »

So you are saying you feel the results are predetermined?

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #149 on:** August 30, 2012, 07:05:26 PM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on August 30, 2012, 05:55:59 PM

So you are saying you feel the results are predetermined?

Randy, I don't think that's the implication. Parramon (Spain) has won at least 4 WC's in a row. He's some sort of scientist and really has his chit together for F2A. His engines come from either Russia or Ukraine (?), but he's the one that always puts in the best flight and beats the factory teams. It's a fussy event, with prop shimming (one blade, tapered shims) and nv and pipe tweeking. Maybe even a little line waxing, who knows?! They're close to 200 mph with .15's on zero nitro and 2 lines.

Steve

Author Topic: 2012 World Champs (Read 23614 times)

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