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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Tom Strom on August 24, 2012, 11:45:25 PM
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Anyone know where we go to follow the festivities? Is there a web site we can view?
Tom
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Anyone know where we go to follow the festivities? Is there a web site we can view?
Tom
I will let everyone know as I find out. Here's the website for the event:
http://www.f2abcd.com/index.php
Brett
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Hello guys,
FRESH NEWS!
Here you have the F2B World Cup results from Bulgaria.
Enjoy,
Claudio.
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And, yes, you read it correctly: no U.S. entries. Our guys spent the days trying to get in as much practice as possible rather than fly in the World Cup.
Bill
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"I'm tellin you guys, this thing is in Igor's backyard, and he down, big time for the win".
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no flyers from USA, China and even Japan... think numbers of flyers is lesser this year... any reason for that??? ???
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The score board is for the F2B World Cup, NOT the F2 World Championships.
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Japan had/has a real problem. As of yesterday noon-time (may have changed since), they had their model boxes but no personal luggage. And, of course, many engines, fuel tanks, etc, are in the personal luggage. :'(
I think I was the only one with luggage problems on the U.S. team, my suitcase arrived on Friday after I arrived on Wednesday.
Bill
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This competition has been a total CF so far. Fortunately our luggage arrived on time. Many others can't fly because bags didn't make it.
They held a competition on the site and made it so that there was no practice area available. We had to sit on our hands. We also didn't know about it before it was too late to enter. Thanks
None the less, we are flying well. Hope the weather holds out!
More later
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Paul, Bill and others,, we are watching with anticipation,,
sounds like many challenges to overcome,,
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(http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=28273.0;attach=109921;image)
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I've read the entry lists and would someone please tell me if it's my imagination or not. Does Germany have a team
of any kind this year's W/C or not?
And one more question? Who are the judges this year. Cant seem to find it on the official web site yet.
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Is it my imagination, or does it seem that every world championships, the organization and structure are terrible? It seems that every time I hear reports from the world championships, it's always about lost luggage, no practice space, poor organization, poor judge preparation and one thing or another messed up. Why does the FAI seem to have some much trouble with this?
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I've read the entry lists and would someone please tell me if it's my imagination or not. Does Germany have a team
of any kind this year's W/C or not?
And one more question? who are the judges this year. Cant seem to find it on the official web site yet.
A list o the registered teams is on the organizer's website at
http://www.f2abcd.com/teams.php#
It does not appear that any Germans are listed for any othe four events. That does not mean that these lists are final.
Norally, the judges and jury members are listed on the organizer's website. They do not seem to be listed at this time.
Keith
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A list o the registered teams is on the organizer's website at
http://www.f2abcd.com/teams.php#
It does not appear that any Germans are listed for any othe four events. That does not mean that these lists are final.
Norally, the judges and jury members are listed on the organizer's website. They do not seem to be listed at this time.
Keith
Please read the bulletins. Best accessed on the U.S. team website at http://www.2012CLWC.org. Judges are listed there.
Attached is Monday flight order.
Bill
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Is it my imagination, or does it seem that every world championships, the organization and structure are terrible? It seems that every time I hear reports from the world championships, it's always about lost luggage, no practice space, poor organization, poor judge preparation and one thing or another messed up. Why does the FAI seem to have some much trouble with this?
The problems you outline are not so much the fault of the overall FAI organization.
Lost luggage: is more a factor of the difficulties of traveling half way around the world, with equipment and material that the transportation systems are not equipped to make life easy. The organizers can do little to facilitate travel/transportation of teams and their equipment.
No practice space: this is a function of the stunt fliers in the US are used to access to practice areas at or near their contest sites. This is not the norm in Europe where practice sites, as we would expect, just are not provided.
Poor orgainization: at the contest sites, this is a function of the national/local organization that host these championships. The FAI HQ essentially turns the entire planning and execution of the World Championships over to the host country. As can be expected, some countries will do a better job than others. Many tmes, this matter is taken over by people with little or no experience with such an undertaking.
Judges: The host nation selects a set number of judges, each from a different country, from an approved list of judges maintained by the FAI. That list of judges is comprised of names submmitted by member countries. There is no criteria established to what capabilities, training, experience those people must have to be placed on the FAI list. (Well, there has been a Black List, but that is another story.) There is no set process used for a country to select the judges. That selection is completely at the discretion of the host country organizers. It seems likely that with such a system, a less than well qualified individual could be selected to be a judge at the World Championships.
I am not trying to defend the system. I am just trying to explain the system.
Keith
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Please read the bulletins. Best accessed on the U.S. team website at http://www.2012CLWC.org. Judges are listed there.
Attached is Monday flight order.
Bill
Thanks Bill,
Nice job with the website.
Keith
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Thanks Bill,
Nice job with the website.
Keith
I second that!
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Hello Guys! I could able to get some pictures from some Russian models Web site.
http://f2rus.ru/2011-10-08-18-52-33/bolgarya-ekm-2012-photo.html
In te forum they have some comments to say: it is hot there 35 C and wind still OK 3-5 Meters/sec. I hop they will posted some more info with tabulations.
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I went through the pics on the website Igor posted the link for and found a picture of PW and Don McC., apparently starting the .40VF. Oops, that's not right. Well, probably changing batteries. So they apparently got to practise at least some. There were also pics of David's Thunder Gazer. The pictures may be "captured" if you wish, but they are Bitmaps, so pretty big files for the size of the picture...and slow loading. I don't understand why people post .bmp's or .gif's on websites. Just shazam it into a jpeg and save a lot of bandwidth and upload & download time. IrfanView will do that for you. ;D Steve
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Hi Guys I don't know If I am just lucky or not ,touch wood but lost luggage has never been a problem for me, including a recent trip to the USA with 12 flights in 3 weeks,no problems ,even had flights arrive early!!!!!Regards , Noel.
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The problems you outline are not so much the fault of the overall FAI organization.
Lost luggage: is more a factor of the difficulties of traveling half way around the world, with equipment and material that the transportation systems are not equipped to make life easy. The organizers can do little to facilitate travel/transportation of teams and their equipment.
No practice space: this is a function of the stunt fliers in the US are used to access to practice areas at or near their contest sites. This is not the norm in Europe where practice sites, as we would expect, just are not provided.
Poor orgainization: at the contest sites, this is a function of the national/local organization that host these championships. The FAI HQ essentially turns the entire planning and execution of the World Championships over to the host country. As can be expected, some countries will do a better job than others. Many tmes, this matter is taken over by people with little or no experience with such an undertaking.
Judges: The host nation selects a set number of judges, each from a different country, from an approved list of judges maintained by the FAI. That list of judges is comprised of names submmitted by member countries. There is no criteria established to what capabilities, training, experience those people must have to be placed on the FAI list. (Well, there has been a Black List, but that is another story.) There is no set process used for a country to select the judges. That selection is completely at the discretion of the host country organizers. It seems likely that with such a system, a less than well qualified individual could be selected to be a judge at the World Championships.
I am not trying to defend the system. I am just trying to explain the system.
Keith
Igor Panchenko! Keith your explanations are very good but afterwards. Those lessons would be helpful before team departure from US. Dave knows - how airlines work in this time. May be would be good idea; to have some very important portion of their gear to ship out in earlier time of departure to W/C. , or have some back up set of important things like cloth, fuel, bateries, tools, etc. Ship to hotel or to some local friends or club before.I've overheard from My coworker Alex Andriukov , he has been traveling between contests around the world a lot.Delay or lost luggage , becoming a normal now. He has told me : even when there is option; during the time, when you book your Flight tickets, to choose not less than 2 hours between flights in transition airport , if there is not straight flight to choose from. There is more chance to receive luggage in time. We have very experienced people in the team, I think they will do the best they can do. Let's hop for their best results and wish them the best !!!
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Hello Guys! I could able to get some pictures from some Russian models Web site.
http://f2rus.ru/2011-10-08-18-52-33/bolgarya-ekm-2012-photo.html
In te forum they have some comments to say: it is hot there 35 C and wind still OK 3-5 Meters/sec. I hop they will posted some more info with tabulations.
Cool pics Igor, thanks for posting. And CONGRATS for your first place at the World Cup!
One more thing: can you please confirm us if the torture device you see in the pic attached is the "official line tension instrument" the organization is using???
Thanks,
Claudio.
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What is the world cup competition?
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Cool pics Igor, thanks for posting. And CONGRATS for your first place at the World Cup!
One more thing: can you please confirm us if the torture device you see in the pic attached is the "official line tension instrument" the organization is using???
Thanks,
Claudio.
Glaudio I think, your question has been addressed to Igor Burger. He has Placed 1 in the Bulgaria cup. I'm Igor Panchenko from: LA. CA. It is very possible that people are responsible for organize World Cup have used that for line tension to test. Does not look that device can be use for weight of models to check. I think, World Championship organizers will use some thing better.
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Glaudio I think, your question has been addressed to Igor Burger. He has Placed 1 in the Bulgaria cup. I'm Igor Panchenko from: LA. CA. It is very possible that people are responsible for organize World Cup have used that for line tension to test. Does not look that device can be use for weight of models to check. I think, World Championship organizers will use some thing better.
OOPS! I got the two Igors mixed up! Sorry about that.
That fish scale CAN'T be used for nothing at all, not even for weighing fish! %^
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Thanks Keith. It just seems like problems abound. But then, as you note, traveling half way around the world, especially to somewhere that is not used to a ton of competitors isn't easy.
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Hmmmmmm!
I wonder where that line breaker from the OTS & Classic Nats ran off to! LL~ LL~ LL~ <= <= LL~ LL~ LL~
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The picture of the guy charging his battery while mounted in the model is very gutsy!
Chris...
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The one thing I noticed is that, the contest looks like a Yatsenko Shark Convention!!
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The one thing I noticed is that, the contest looks like a Yatsenko Shark Convention!!
HUMM No BOM Imagen that.
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Thank you, Keith for explaining the FAI system. I would like add the following extracts of the current FAI Sporting Code 2012, Volume F2 Control Line Model Aircraft:
re Practice Circles: Annex 4F Control Line Organizers Guide Page 86
6.5.2.5.
At World and Continental Championships and other limited international contests, organisers shall also provide Practice Circle/s. These shall be located at the contest site itself, but in any event shall not require more than 30 minutes of normal travelling time to reach from the contest site. Organisers should provide a minimum of one Practice Circle for every 50 registered contestants. All Practice Circles shall be freely open and available for use by all contestants for at least the duration of the contest, plus also for a suitable time before the start of the contest. All Practice Circles should be as close as possible to the standard and maintenance conditions set out at paragraphs a) and/or b) above; but except for the marking of the centre of the centre (pilot’s) circle and the outside diameter circle, the marking of circles as described at paragraph c) above shall not be required. However if the Practice Circle/s site is open to public access then organisers shall also erect suitable safety barrier/s and warning signs in the local language.
re Judges Qualification / Selection: Annex 4B Class F2B – Judges Guide Page 59
Judges' Qualifications and Selection of Judges for Contests
The National Aero Club (NAC) of each country having F2B judges who join (or who wish to join) judging panels at international F2B contests should ensure that a defined standard of judging proficiency is reached and maintained by each of the judges for which it has responsibility. Each such NAC should therefore:
a) Provide translations into their own language of both the current FAI Sporting Code Volume F2 applicable to F2B (that is the whole of paragraph 4.2) and of this complete Judges’ Guide.
b) Arrange suitable means and procedures to ensure that each judge is fully trained. This means arranging training courses which include regular and repeated group training in both theoretical (classroom) and practical (flight) venues where every aspect of both the current Sporting Code and of this Judges’ Guide may be examined and practised in detail.
c) Provide suitable means for officially recording each such training session attended by every judge within its national responsibility. Such official record should include dates, duration, and number of flights observed at such training sessions, and should also separately list details of all the national and international F2B contests at which each judge has been a member of the judging panel.
d) Establish selection criteria which clearly define the minimum periods of undergoing such training and of actually judging high quality F2B flights at national level before prospective judges are eligible to be nominated or invited to join judging panels at international F2B contests.
Providing all the above will ensure that the judging of all international F2B contests is carried out to the same basic standard. These measures will also enable the organisers of international contests to be sure that all judges invited or nominated to a judging panel do indeed meet the required standards of qualification and experience. The organisers of all World and Continental Championships should therefore submit a list of proposed judges’ names, together with their NAC qualification details as at paragraph c) above, to their own NAC and to the F2 Subcommittee of the CIAM.
To ensure a continuous pool of suitably qualified international F2B judges it is also recommended that, with suitable modifications, each NAC apply the criteria and procedures at the above paragraphs a) through d) inclusive to the selection and training of F2B judges for contests at national level.
Kind regards, Peter
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Japan had/has a real problem. As of yesterday noon-time (may have changed since), they had their model boxes but no personal luggage. And, of course, many engines, fuel tanks, etc, are in the personal luggage. :'(
I think I was the only one with luggage problems on the U.S. team, my suitcase arrived on Friday after I arrived on Wednesday.
Bill
That happened last time too didn't it?
Derek
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This competition has been a total CF so far. Fortunately our luggage arrived on time. Many others can't fly because bags didn't make it.
They held a competition on the site and made it so that there was no practice area available. We had to sit on our hands. We also didn't know about it before it was too late to enter. Thanks
None the less, we are flying well. Hope the weather holds out!
More later
Sounds typical, Good luck guys! I know it is difficult but try to keep us posted.
Derek
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That happened last time too didn't it?
Derek
Hi, Derek;
Yes, it's two in a row for me! But that has all been overcome now.
Weather today turned cool, wet and WINDY!!!! Lightning and rain delayed flying a couple of times. All events were quite late in completing the flights.
Temperature stayed in the 70's all day. A little sun late. Badly wind-burned tonight.
Attached is the Tuesday schedule.
Bill
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Looks like Igor don't need no wind! mw~ mw~ mw~
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Wonder what poor Igor did?
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"I'll show that Igor just what I think of electrics".
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d) Establish selection criteria which clearly define the minimum periods of undergoing such training and of actually judging high quality F2B flights at national level before prospective judges are eligible to be nominated or invited to join judging panels at international F2B contests.
I would suggest that the references to "F2B" be removed, and replaced with "Precision Aerobatics" since there will be little opportunity for US judges to meet the qualifications in an actual F2B contest. I can name a dozen judges off the top of my head that I would consider qualified to do a World Champs that have likely never judged in an FAI contest. 95% of the work is identical, and it would take about 4 flights to translate 10-40 into 0-10.
Brett
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Is there any current information. The web sites don't seem to be all that helpful (or possibly just not updated).
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Wonder what poor Igor did?
Besides win 1st place, he was also guilty of charging his battery while in the plane. I was wondering if we'd get pictures of Igor or Tania. Let's hope for better pictures of both. HIHI%% Steve
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Is there any current information. The web sites don't seem to be all that helpful (or possibly just not updated).
From past experience, it is not unusual to learn of any round scores until the day after the flights, and sometimes late in that day.
I expect the best coverage for latest information will be from whatever Bill Lee posts. And that may be limited because the information is just not immediately available to him, even as the Team Manager. We are spoiled here in the States to see scores posted sometimes before or at least shortly after the next flight is completed.
Keith
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I was wondering if we'd get pictures of Igor or Tania. Let's hope for better pictures of both. HIHI%% Steve
Such As!
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Part 2
Maybe the start of the impromptu e- seminar :!
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Wow..THANKS DarkStar! AWESOME PHOTOS!
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Hi All,
Well the first round on each circle is almost done. The weather for the first day was horrendous with wind gusting to 16 meters per second on these wind meters. We had rain and lightning and every flight was basically survival. The top guys seem to be able to fly with precision even in these conditions while the rest of us mortals just try hard to get some semblance of the shapes and not hit the deck. I did not watch the whole days flying but the best I saw in some real serious gusts was Dave Fitzgerald. One of the maneuvers even looked like the Thundergazer stopped dead into the wind! How he got through is just amazing. There were quite a few prangs as well.
The guy to beat is Igor Burger. His Max Bee with his own active regulation just seems to ignore the bad conditions. The flap bottoms and accuracy of Igor's flying is just too amazing to watch. All of the USA pilots are flying to their usual impressive styles.....especially in these conditions.
The organization is aweful but the Bulgarians are trying very hard to sort any problems out as quickly as possible, so all you can do is try hard to work with them.
I've posted a few pics showing the pit area where the line testing was done and you can see the mud and leaves. The other shot os some spectators watching one of the Chinese flights shows how rotten the weather looks. I think that the wind speed went over the limit many times and was not checked properly, but if you had to give re-flights we would not have been able to get many flights in at all. Basically the day could have been called off, but gusty weather does have moments of flyable weather so what do you do?? I'll post more later. As you can all see from the last pic, when Igor got the "boot" I scored big time!!!
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One of the maneuvers even looked like the Thundergazer stopped dead into the wind! How he got through is just amazing.
How he got through was with a honking Merlin 75!!
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mmm : )))
and those two - young and handsome take care for weather earlt that morning, hmm i also hope not wet and windy like yesterday : (
the point is to see nice flying, not flying and keeping model - alive : )
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I'm certainly enjoying seeing all the photo's of the various planes in the pits.
Its refreshing to see the classic timeless art of
Building
design
painting
Commerce
Hasn't been lost.
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I'm certainly enjoying seeing all the photo's of the various planes in the pits.
Its refreshing to see the classic timeless art of
Building
design
painting
Commerce
Hasn't been lost.
Nailed it!
Derek
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I would suggest that the references to "F2B" be removed, and replaced with "Precision Aerobatics" since there will be little opportunity for US judges to meet the qualifications in an actual F2B contest. I can name a dozen judges off the top of my head that I would consider qualified to do a World Champs that have likely never judged in an FAI contest. 95% of the work is identical, and it would take about 4 flights to translate 10-40 into 0-10.
Brett
Excellent idea, Brett. May I suggest you turn it into a formal proposal, perhpas using the term "Control Line Precision Aerobatics". via the US rep within the F2 Subcommittee?
rgds, Peter
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First results
http://fesselflugcenter.kostenloses-forum.be/fesselflugcenter-beitrag647.html
Greetings Robert-Jan
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I'm certainly enjoying seeing all the photo's of the various planes in the pits.
Its refreshing to see the classic timeless art of
Building
design
painting
Commerce
Hasn't been lost.
This is the glorious vision of the future in the eyes of the anti-BOM crew. Cashing checks for $5000 for a months work, that is.
Brett
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This is the glorious vision of the future in the eyes of the anti-BOM crew. Cashing checks for $5000 for a months work, that is.
Brett
Then we can go ahead and adopt the FAI platform, you see how well that is working right now...
Derek
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Then we can go ahead and adopt the FAI platform, you see how well that is working right now...
Derek
Then retire the Walker Trophy.
It's all coming together.
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There was mention of the world cup earlier in this thread. Can someone enlighten me on what that is? Is that just a different name used for the F2b World Championships?
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You guys are making way to much noise.
I only see BOM compliance here.
(http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k554/pjaussie/bolgarya_2012_ekm_2_178_20120826_1214455145.jpg)
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There was mention of the world cup earlier in this thread. Can someone enlighten me on what that is? Is that just a different name used for the F2b World Championships?
Hello Doug, let me see if I can explain:
The "World Cup" is a contest format introduced by the FAI in 1995 and exist for almost every aeromodelling category, and it is flown all over the world, mainly in Europe. This contest has nothing to do with the World Championships but, generally, the country that hosts a World Championship organize a World Cup contest as well prior to the WCH.
The World Cup format awards only individuals, not teams.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Claudio.
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Hi guys,
Here you have the World Champs results from the first two flights:
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Thanks Claudio..
Those results paint a picture of TERRIBLE conditions to fly in............or the Judging is tough.
Would be great if someone at the contest chimes in with a wind speed meter........
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You guys are making way to much noise.
I only see BOM compliance here.
(http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k554/pjaussie/bolgarya_2012_ekm_2_178_20120826_1214455145.jpg)
BUT, that is a BADASS plane!!
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Thanks Claudio. That makes sense now.
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Thanks Claudio. That makes sense now.
The EU NATs!
We have actually considered holding a World Cup event at our Golden State event, so far that has not happened, however. That's the *only* way it's ever going to happen here, I suspect - attach it to an existing local contest and hold it in lieu of Expert.
Brett
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Thanks Claudio.
Same here, Looking at the full flight order answered my question earlier in the post. All I can say is Wow that is a shame! :'(
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Thanks Claudio. That makes sense now.
Your'e welcome Doug.
One more thing: anyone with a FAI sporting license is entitled to enter in a World Cup event. No trials or any kind of previous selection is required.
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"I'm tellin you guys, this thing is in Igor's backyard, and he down, big time for the win".
One more time with feeling. y1
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I don't care WHO built that plane. That ships ROCKS!!!
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Thanks Claudio..
Those results paint a picture of TERRIBLE conditions to fly in............or the Judging is tough.
Would be great if someone at the contest chimes in with a wind speed meter........
Hi PJ, good to see you.
Agree. It seems that BOTH factors are there: tough judging AND nasty winds.
In any case, I wonder what happened to David Fitzgerald (so far...) his scores are abnormally low for a first class contestant like him.
We shall see....
Regards,
Claudio.
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I don't care WHO built that plane. That ships ROCKS!!!
Yeah. That plane keeps me drooling every time I see it. Another of Yatsenko's masterpieces.
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Your'e welcome Doug.
One more thing: anyone with a FAI sporting license is entitled to enter in a World Cup event. No trials or any kind of previous selection is required.
That's essentially what stopped us from having the World Cup - there are about 3 likely contestants with FAI sporting licenses in the US. I am not sure why we don't have reciprocal agreements with the FAI like we do with MAAC, etc.
Brett
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That's essentially what stopped us from having the World Cup - there are about 3 likely contestants with FAI sporting licenses in the US. I am not sure why we don't have reciprocal agreements with the FAI like we do with MAAC, etc.
Brett
Hi Brett,
It's pretty easy to get a FAI sporting license. The respective country's NAC (National Airsports Control, the AMA in your case) must fill in a simple form requesting the license and send it to the CIAM.
We held five World Cup contests so far down here and never had a problem with those licenses.
Regards,
Claudio.
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Same here, Looking at the full flight order answered my question earlier in the post. All I can say is Wow that is a shame! :'(
God idea about W. Cup on Golden State, Brett! First time I 'm hearing about this. Obviously idea was born at " Pipe Land " .
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I guess you all ready have seen this results better format; PDF. Bulgaria web site finally posted. I've been thinking , that their server is down, nobody have been taking care about update of info on their Website. I think, Dave's flight went trough very strong wind, like Renecle has explained.Let's cross our fingers for our two other guys! They have made their entry in Finals.
http://www.f2abcd.com/results.php
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Thank you, Igor. Very interesting results! Guess we will just have to wait and see how the conditions and judging hold up.
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
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Yeah, I noticed a certain, ah, similarity of design, let's say.
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Hi Brett,
It's pretty easy to get a FAI sporting license. The respective country's NAC (National Airsports Control, the AMA in your case) must fill in a simple form requesting the license and send it to the CIAM.
We held five World Cup contests so far down here and never had a problem with those licenses.
Regards,
Claudio.
Actually, in the U.S., AMA simply issues the license. It is NOT the standard AMA license but rather a separate card.
Competition is moving along. Weather on Tuesday was much better than Monday: winds were down, sunny all day and pleasant temperature. Today (Wednesday), it will be even less wind but the temperature getting back into the 90's.
Bill
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Many thanks, Bill ..... definitely appreciate your updates.
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Hi Brett,
It's pretty easy to get a FAI sporting license. The respective country's NAC (National Airsports Control, the AMA in your case) must fill in a simple form requesting the license and send it to the CIAM.
We held five World Cup contests so far down here and never had a problem with those licenses.
Oh, I know it's easy to get, I have had one one and off for 30+ years. What I think would not be well-received is having to pay an extra $$25 $50 or whatever it currently might be, just to fly in one contest. It wouldn't bother me but I know it would bother other likely entrants.
What I meant by a reciprocal agreement is like we have with our brothers from the Great White North, AKA America Jr. AKA Canada. If some of those lovable toque-wearing hosers come to an AMA contest, their MAAC License is recognized and they can enter using that and not buy an AMA license. Likewise if some of us overbearing surfer types go up to Canada to fly in their contests, we show our AMA cards and we don't have to join the MAAC. Or at least that is what it used to be.
The idea was little more than a passing thought, but if we are ever going to have a World Cup I expect it will be attached to an existing big contest like Golden State or the NWR.
Brett
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Competition is moving along. Weather on Tuesday was much better than Monday: winds were down, sunny all day and pleasant temperature. Today (Wednesday), it will be even less wind but the temperature getting back into the 90's.
Go Team!!!
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I see Ping Pong is still in the top ten. Surprise surprise.
Derek
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It has been noted that judging in world competitions is different than in US contests. Don't know if it is just that they look for different things or something else, but it seems to be different.
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Good to see Konstantine Bajaikine from Team Canada made 15th place.
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Still awaiting final scores from qualifying.
All the US team knows that Paul is ahead of Dave who us ahead of Orestes. Hopefully all 3 will make the finals.
Paul W
And no Igor, I didn't have an 1121 :):)
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Good to see Konstantine Bajaikine from Team Canada made 15th place.
Based on what?
So far, all I can find on the "official" listing is the results of the first two of the four qualifying flights.
After the qualifying flights are finished, the best flight from each of the two circles are totaled for each pilot. Then the top 15 go to the finals rounds, best two of three flights. Placement of 16th and below is based on the best two flight total from the qualifying rounds.
Based on what Paul just posted, David definitely has a chance of making the top 15.
It sort of looks like David is experiencing his "Hex on David" week that he has had for many of his WC appearances. If the wind is blowing, he will get more than his share. If the wind is not blowing, he will still have "difficult" air or just the amount of rain to not stop official flying somewhere in his flight. Or if there is a barricade near a circle where he is flying, he will be the only one of 90 pilots who will run into it and clip off a portion of his outboard wing. I wish him well as well as Paul and Orestes.
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Still awaiting final scores from qualifying.
All the US team knows that Paul is ahead of Dave who us ahead of Orestes. Hopefully all 3 will make the finals.
Paul W
And no Igor, I didn't have an 1121 :):)
I have my fingers crossed for all 3 of you. Good Luck!
Derek
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Based on what?
So far, all I can find on the "official" listing is the results of the first two of the four qualifying flights.
Hi Keith,
I just meant on the 1st 2 round of qualifying.. will see what happens in the next 2.
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It has been noted that judging in world competitions is different than in US contests. Don't know if it is just that they look for different things or something else, but it seems to be different.!
Agree! They do not see the model in many cases before flight , they do not looking for behavior of pilot , before, during the flight, and after. There some advantages and disadvantages in their point of , how the flight supposed to look like. There all so many similar things with American school of judging too. If you judge ? and your friend flying .... there you go. It is every where more or less around the world. I've heard many times here in US; - " It is How I see it! " Some times I wanted immediately ask question : "Can you able to see" ? Than, think for second and thinking myself : if I would be on the judge place ; would I be the different ? It is All ways has been subject of discussion. It is like Metric and Imperial. I would use forums community to study of interest of creating electronic judge . To help with judging question. It is mowing fast in our life. And we have Electronic software and hardware Engineers in our community. Only those people can help. I think Electronic judge can solve many problems, think about learning aspect of it ? Have light weight , sensor can be installed on the surface of model, as sticker. Will simplify contest to organize, imaging you we can have contest all most every week end , fast tabulations, you can se the numbers right after maneuver has been finished. I think it can increase interest of yang generation to what we do , since they so close around of electronic too. Skills judging : can be integrated in to the score tabulation too. For example: as average; from entire pilots vote for each model from 0-10. Or pilots meeting decide to have two judges for skills score to generate, for each model. for example clubs they using equipment like that on the contests can post individual scores in PAMPA. This obviously can effect to Team Trials and traveling of people around contests. of course there will be many issues on the way of that, but we may able to work around those. I think this dream could became as reality with community to help. I would concentrate on that and look for investment, rather than infinity of discussion around BOM, and Loosing interest of yang people to it , economic problems , time problems, etc.
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Igor,
I wasn't commenting on it being better or worse. Just different.
And I think the Worlds are a good example of what happens when there is no BOM concern; you end up with 2 or 3 designs that are built by others and it tends to be an ARF-off. Again, not a comment on good or bad. But it is very different.
OH, and good luck to Paul, David and Orestes! I wish them good flying weather.
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Randy,
How many of any single model are entered? I disagree about the BOM comment. The top fliers still build, finish and trim there own. They all feel they have the secret to success (you have to to put in the effort that is needed to fly at that level). There isn't even a dominate motor/engine type.
Best, DennisT
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Bulgarians Have not updated with finals yet. This results are still on their web site.
http://www.f2abcd.com/results.php
I see Dave is not there. But Paul and Orestes are in. I keep my fingers crossing. And Yes! Randy, unfortunately no RCM and Brodak kits out there no Rabee designs and other.
I disagree about "Tree designs" contest about. look at the pictures from some our Meets. You may see 10 models out of 15 in category are look the same with small differences.
W/ Champ is different, because there are no Patriots there. You probably do not drive GM car, I do. They have been taking , what they think is better, reliable, comparative, easier and the more promisible. Unfortunately in many times do not pay much attention about future aspects of our hobby. But we have selected two candidates for our future President of US too.
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Randy,
How many of any single model are entered? I disagree about the BOM comment. The top fliers still build, finish and trim there own. They all feel they have the secret to success (you have to to put in the effort that is needed to fly at that level). There isn't even a dominate motor/engine type.
Best, DennisT
Sorry Dennis but I have been to a word champs and there is most certainly a Dominate Plane, motor/engine type. There must have been 20 sharks entered, 10-15 classics, and 5-8 Extra 300s. There are still some people that build for themselves but they are from the US and a few other countries.
Derek
P.S. This is not about the BOM, it is about our team kicking ass!
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Ok, so on finals...tomorrow goes
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There may be a lot of Sharks but, those Sharks do look smoking hot. y1
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GOOD JOB GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #^
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Congrats to the US winning the team gold! If these results are official. CLP** CLP** AP^ (PE**) (PE**)
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One of the members of the Chinese Team rolls with a Saito big block. Does anyone know if he is in here? He flies a big red stunter.
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And a shout out to Bene making it also. H^^ (PE**)
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Great job guys!!!! Good luck tomorrow in the finals!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! #^ #^ #^
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and........BOOM!!
Way to go guys!!!
Get 'em tomorrow!
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Great news! Had me worried a bit there for a while, but they came through in good shape. Mucho congrats!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first Shark in the order is in 7th place, and that one is being flown by the guy who designed (or at least co-designed) and built it. So, technically, that one isn't even an ARF... Don't see a problem here in that regard. The "Sharks" are not devouring everything in sight. Homemade models still rule, even where there is no BOM...
Bob Hunt
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Congrats to the US winning the team gold! If these results are official. CLP** CLP** AP^ (PE**) (PE**)
Hi Darrell,
We still have the finals to go, but it is looking good for a team Championship. And also, hopefully, an Individual World Champion!
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
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Bill,
I could be mistaken but the finals only determines the individual medalists. Thats why a high placing Junior can count toward a teams placing.
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Congrats to the US winning the team gold! If these results are official. CLP** CLP** AP^ (PE**) (PE**)
Team results are not final until the final rounds are completed. However, based on who is and is not in the final rounds of the top 15 pilots, the USA, the Ukraine and China have 3 finalists in the final 15 and the placings of the remainder essentially will pit the USA, the Ukraine, and China for the team championship depending on the individual placings of those 9 pilots. Even if the two from Slovakia still remain in 1st and 2nd, the placing of their third member, which is 40th and will not change, thus essentially eliminating any chance they have for the team championship. Japan and Russia have their three team members in the top 25 with Japan currently having a slight edge of those two. If the relative placings after the finals do not change, the US team is in a good position, Ukraine would be 2nd, China would be 3rd, Japan 4th, and Russia 5th.
Looking at the scores during the second rounds of flights, much credit should be given to Paul, Orestes and David for their perseverance to make this a great showing so far. And we will probably never know how much Bill Lee and Don McClave have contributed to our team so far.
And the World Champion is yet to be determined with a brand new contest starting tomorrow.
Keith
(Initial post was in error based on the unofficlal score board posted in an earlier thread. This post corrected to reflect official FAI posting of the 4 qualification rounds.)
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Here are the results from the Bulgarien website.
3 finalists from the USA and China
Best Regards Claudia
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David is not catching any breaks. He's the first flight of the day
http://f2rus.ru/images/stories/content/2012/Bolgarya/290820122637.jpg
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Any writeup anywhere on the planes? Stats, electric vs. glow, how long they've been in the air, etc.?
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The "Sharks" are not devouring everything in sight.
Bob Hunt
Pretty "catchy" Bob.
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Bill,
I could be mistaken but the finals only determines the individual medalists. Thats why a high placing Junior can count toward a teams placing.
Darkstar,
I think at one time the Team placings were determined solely on the placings after the qualifying rounds. After it was brought to the attention of some FAI officials that a scenario could result where it was possible for the three team members from one country to finish 1st, 2nd, and 3rd after the finals rounds, and that team might not win the team championship because of each of them might have had a comparatively poorer placing in the top 15 after the qualifying rounds. I am fairly certain that the Team placings are now determined by the individual placings AFTER the finals rounds to prevent this nightmare from ever happening.
The way the rule now reads is that "To establish the national scores for team classification add the numerical placing of the three team members of each nation...." So, after the finals, a team member has only one "numerical placing". That is his placing after the finals. Only the placing of a team member in the top 15 would be used for calculation of the team score, not the placing prior to the finals.
The score of a high placing Junior can still be used to determine the three-man team score.
Keith
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David is not catching any breaks. He's the first flight of the day
http://f2rus.ru/images/stories/content/2012/Bolgarya/290820122637.jpg
The "David Hex" continues. Drawing for early/first flights is not unusual for him. Look who is second to fly in the last round. At these Championships, we can count of David getting an early flight draw, or get some of the worst weather of the day, or anything else that can go wrong. But we can also count of David doing a magnificent job.
Keith
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Great news! Had me worried a bit there for a while, but they came through in good shape. Mucho congrats!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the first Shark in the order is in 7th place, and that one is being flown by the guy who designed (or at least co-designed) and built it. So, technically, that one isn't even an ARF... Don't see a problem here in that regard. The "Sharks" are not devouring everything in sight. Homemade models still rule, even where there is no BOM...
Bob Hunt
Also we don't know what many of the others are flying to until the final resuls and matching airplanes we don't know whos doing what.
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Oh, I know it's easy to get, I have had one one and off for 30+ years. What I think would not be well-received is having to pay an extra $$25 $50 or whatever it currently might be, just to fly in one contest. It wouldn't bother me but I know it would bother other likely entrants.
What I meant by a reciprocal agreement is like we have with our brothers from the Great White North, AKA America Jr. AKA Canada. If some of those lovable toque-wearing hosers come to an AMA contest, their MAAC License is recognized and they can enter using that and not buy an AMA license. Likewise if some of us overbearing surfer types go up to Canada to fly in their contests, we show our AMA cards and we don't have to join the MAAC. Or at least that is what it used to be.
The idea was little more than a passing thought, but if we are ever going to have a World Cup I expect it will be attached to an existing big contest like Golden State or the NWR.
Brett
I agree completely with you, Brett. Our own aeromodelling federation charge us the equivalent to 100 US dollars to get the FAI license. How about that!
It should be free of charge for everyone.
Claudio.
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I know I going to get banned from this site but, I'm still sticking with Igor Burger on this rodeo.
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Thanks Keith
I stand corrected.
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Thanks Keith
I stand corrected. And remember I did say if.
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Does any one know the status of Kim Doherty of Canada? Was he unable to attend?
Thanks
Bill
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Thanks Keith
I stand corrected.
You are welcome, but I am not absolutely sure that the ranking from the qualfying rounds are not used to determine team standings. It was supposed to have been changed, but I do not know if the current wording in the FAI rules really changes that or not. I think the current wording does fix that, but others could argue otherwise.
Keith
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Well done to everyone who bounced back to normality after the sever weather of the first 2 days.
Does anyone know what happened to Richard K ?
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Does anyone know what happened to Richard K ?
Yeah, where's the defending champion?
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Yeah, where's the defending champion?
The entire German team is missing from the flight roster!
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The entire German team is missing from the flight roster!
My goodness, the German F2B Team qualification rounds must have been particularly brutal!! :o
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The "David Hex" continues. Drawing for early/first flights is not unusual for him. Look who is second to fly in the last round. At these Championships, we can count of David getting an early flight draw, or get some of the worst weather of the day, or anything else that can go wrong. But we can also count of David doing a magnificent job.
Keith
Any truth to the rumor that they be using Howard's program to draw flight order? ;) Steve
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Did we have a Junior this year? Bob is right about BOM, dont see any arf winning. The cream allways makes it to the top. Nice to see only flying points.
Steve
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Did we have a Junior this year? Bob is right about BOM, dont see any arf winning. The cream allways makes it to the top. Nice to see only flying points.
Steve
Hi Steve,
No Junior this year. I couldn't go as I'm in Daytona right now, and Ryan texted me back in July saying he couldn't go. Sadly no juniors this year...
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Hi Steve,
No Junior this year. I couldn't go as I'm in Daytona right now, and Ryan texted me back in July saying he couldn't go. Sadly no juniors this year...
If only I'd known. I woulda got a birth certificate made in Hawaii, stating that I was born there in '99. LL~ Steve
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The full results in pdf format are now on the world champs website http://www.f2abcd.com/download/download.php?file=f2b.pdf
The top 4 are all electric and the rest are mainly un-piped engines. The Chinese are flying 4-bangers. Igor Burger is the man to beat so far and I believe that he will come out on top. Paul Walker put in some great flights yesterday and is definitely in the running for a top 3 spot. Having said that, the top 4 are electric, Alex Shrek pranged his electric model in the rough weather and is flying a back-up IC engined model on a pipe. I believe that he has been working hard and his e-stunter could be ready to fly before the finals. Yesterday had very good flying weather so this helped to improve most people's scores.
Keith R
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It is amazing that at every WC all three of the Chinese team seem to make it into the finals after the FAI jury has time to review the scores...
Just sayin
Derek
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Derek,
Lets add to that, I just checked the weather and It looks like Stunt heaven for both days. So everyone has a shot to CRANK IT UP! S?P S?P S?P!
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Derek,
Lets add to that, I just checked the weather and It looks like Stunt heaven for both days. So everyone has a shot to CRANK IT UP! S?P S?P S?P!
Good deal. GO TEAM USA!!!!!!
Derek
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Well, as we type the first two rounds are done. Hopefully the results are good. H^^
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I wish I was there. I will be trying out for the next one for sure. The WC is a hard contest and a lot of money but there is nothing like being there. I hope we get an update soon.
Derek
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Derek,
Lets add to that, I just checked the weather and It looks like Stunt heaven for both days. So everyone has a shot ...
If I was there I would be praying for 15mph over the trees! In good air the scores bunch up and the results can get to be almost random based on tiny mistakes. That's why everyone has a shot...
Brett
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Today's weather was 0 steady with VARIABLE 1 MPH winds. Stunt heaven it is not.
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If I was there I would be praying for 15mph over the trees! In good air the scores bunch up and the results can get to be almost random based on tiny mistakes. That's why everyone has a shot...
Brett
I get your point but I don't think I would ever pray for 15mph over the trees. We have 15 to 20 over the trees every year at KOI and it is no fun!
Derek
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Today's weather was 0 steady with VARIABLE 1 MPH winds. Stunt heaven it is not.
That is no fun either... Hope you guys had your walking shoes on.
Derek
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Paul is a master in turbulent conditions. And he can moonwalk.
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Today's weather was 0 steady with VARIABLE 1 MPH winds. Stunt heaven it is not.
Yuck, I call that stunt garbage. It's like flying in a vacumm. It sucks. I hope all worked out well. I cant wait for the results.
~^ ~^ ~^ ~^ I am going nuts checking the site every 10 minutes or so.
I would never pray for wind over the trees either. We have that year round in Dallas. What you get is pure luck of the draw. It might be 12 over the trees for the guy ahead of you and 16 over the trees for you just a few minutes later. It stinks when that happens.
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It is amazing that at every WC all three of the Chinese team seem to make it into the finals after the FAI jury has time to review the scores...
Just sayin
Derek
I only see two "CHN" in the top 15, and none anywhere below that on the part of the results you posted. You got me puzzled by your statement! ??
I would wish for "stunt heaven"...overcast and steady 5mph wind, with no trees or buildings upwind, and let the best flier win. But I also know Paul and I wouldn't ever bet against him. When the going gets tough, Paul really bears down and can do amazing stuff. I just hope the judges are fair, unbiased, and have read the rulebook. H^^ Steve
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I would never pray for wind over the trees either. We have that year round in Dallas. What you get is pure luck of the draw. It might be 12 over the trees for the guy ahead of you and 16 over the trees for you just a few minutes later. It stinks when that happens.
Hopefully That wont happen this weekend in Dallas. Of course thats Driven by Issac. But I would prefer a open field
and a 5-10 MPH wind. Ooops! Didn't get that last year did we! LL~ LL~ See U this weekend H^^
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I only see two "CHN" in the top 15, and none anywhere below that on the part of the results you posted. You got me puzzled by your statement! ??
(CLIP)
ISteve
Steve,
Something happened between last Tuesday night and Wednesday morning (our time). Late Tuesday, there was what I understood to be an official posting of the results of the four qualifying flights. In that listing, the Chinese had 12th and 14th place, and from what was posted, any other Chinese would have been below 29th. Then, lo and behold, Wednesday morning, on the Championships website, the listing shows the Chinese in 12th, 14th and 15th after the four qualifying rounds. This is not unusual at these things to see scores/names shuffled around after "official" standings have been published. Sometimes, this is because of errors in the tabulation, or posting or there could have been a protest about how a flight was scored. (I have no idea of the system being used there, but I am familiar with one Championships where there was ONE person doing all of the tabulation for F2B. That was almost 80 pilots, 4 flights, 3 judges per flight! We sometimes would not get scores until after midnight. And "corrections/adjustments" would go on to the next day.)
Keith
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Reminds me of a movie title. You probably know the one I mean. "Oh God". How FUBAR is that? FAI strikes again!
One thing I've wondered about...does Sandy Piminoff (sp?) show up at CL WC's and make a pest of himself? I have observed him at several World FF Champs, and my opinion is not a good one. Maybe he's not President anymore? I hope! H^^ Steve
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After 2 of 3 flyoffs.
Looks very similar to the qualifying....
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After 2 of 3 flyoffs
Beat me to it. It looks like Igor is walking away from the rest of the group! He's already 85 points ahead of the nearest competitor! With just one flight left, unless something drastic happens, this WC is Igor's to win.
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Is it the total of best 2 of 3, or total of all 3? D>K Steve
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Best 2 flights
Randy
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Reminds me of a movie title. You probably know the one I mean. "Oh God". How FUBAR is that? FAI strikes again!
One thing I've wondered about...does Sandy Piminoff (sp?) show up at CL WC's and make a pest of himself? I have observed him at several World FF Champs, and my opinion is not a good one. Maybe he's not President anymore? I hope! H^^ Steve
Hi Steve,
Indeed, Sandy Pimenoff is no longer the CIAM president. The current one is Antonis Papadopoulos.
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Anyone know if F2A is done yet ?
Dan
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Anyone know if F2A is done yet ?
Dan
Yes and result at the top is almost like a broken record.
But congrats to the US speed team for their Bronze Medal.
That is if the results are offical Z@@ZZZ
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So you are saying you feel the results are predetermined?
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So you are saying you feel the results are predetermined?
Randy, I don't think that's the implication. Parramon (Spain) has won at least 4 WC's in a row. He's some sort of scientist and really has his chit together for F2A. His engines come from either Russia or Ukraine (?), but he's the one that always puts in the best flight and beats the factory teams. It's a fussy event, with prop shimming (one blade, tapered shims) and nv and pipe tweeking. Maybe even a little line waxing, who knows?! They're close to 200 mph with .15's on zero nitro and 2 lines. :o :o :o Steve
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What Steve said. Spain's Luis Parramon has been "the man" in F2A for several years. He works hard at it. I saw him win in Sweden in 1996. His flights were awesome.
It's pretty hard (if not impossible) to "predetermine" an event that's judged with stopwatches.
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That's right,
That if nothing else was meant as a compliment. Cause in speed nothing else matters except fast and I believe that is his eighth or ninth time overall. Now THATS Dominance and that earns my respect. (PE**) (PE**)
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Best 2 flights
Randy
With just one flight to go, even if Igor doesn't fly, the next runner up would have to put up a 1129.19 flight! Is this even possible?
There is also another interresting development: Paul Walker is being pressured by Vejmola Jiri whose second flight was higher than Paul's either flight.
One aspect none has mentioned yet is the "home field" advantage sort of speak. Slovakia and Chech Republic are both very close geographically and climatologically to Bulgaria. To them, this is a very familiar territory.
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With just one flight to go, even if Igor doesn't fly, the next runner up would have to put up a 1129.19 flight! Is this even possible?
It's possible. Based on the other scores to date, it seems very unlikely, but certainly mathematically possible. Never say die but it's a pretty tough assignment.
Brett
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Yes It is possible
Here is each maneuver and the K-factor copied from the FAI rule book. Pop quiz, do the math and We'll all know
That near perfection is possible.
Execution and Sequence of Manoeuvres
The sequence of manoeuvres with their corresponding K factor is :
1. Starting 1
2. Take-off 2
3. Reverse wing-over 8
4. Three consecutive inside loops 6
5. Two consecutive laps of inverted level flight 2
6. Three consecutive outside loops 6
7. Two consecutive inside square loops 12
8. Two consecutive outside square loops 12
9. Two consecutive inside triangular loops 14
10. Two consecutive horizontal eights 7
11. Two consecutive square horizontal eight 18
12. Two consecutive vertical eight 10
13 Hourglass 10
14. Two consecutive overhead figure eight 10
15. Four-leaf clover 8
16. Landing 5
Just a little something to keep busy while waiting for the final results to be posted HB~> HB~>
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Yes It is possible
Here is each maneuver and the K-factor copied from the FAI rule book. Pop quiz, do the math and We'll all know
That near perfection is possible.
Execution and Sequence of Manoeuvres
The sequence of manoeuvres with their corresponding K factor is :
1. Starting 1
2. Take-off 2
3. Reverse wing-over 8
4. Three consecutive inside loops 6
5. Two consecutive laps of inverted level flight 2
6. Three consecutive outside loops 6
7. Two consecutive inside square loops 12
8. Two consecutive outside square loops 12
9. Two consecutive inside triangular loops 14
10. Two consecutive horizontal eights 7
11. Two consecutive square horizontal eight 18
12. Two consecutive vertical eight 10
13 Hourglass 10
14. Two consecutive overhead figure eight 10
15. Four-leaf clover 8
16. Landing 5
Just a little something to keep busy while waiting for the final results to be posted HB~> HB~>
Now you done gone and gave me a headache! :P
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Now you done gone and gave me a headache! :P
Then my work here is almost done. Try doing math while applying on line for a job. Now that's HB~> HB~> HB~>
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One aspect none has mentioned yet is the "home field" advantage sort of speak. Slovakia and Chech Republic are both very close geographically and climatologically to Bulgaria. To them, this is a very familiar territory.
I did in one of my earlier posts.
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I was talking about the earlier note about the Chinese.
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I did in one of my earlier posts.
My apologies for having missed it. :-[ :-[
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Interesting to look at the division of the scores of these top 15. Yes, Burger looks almost unassailable. Schrek has command of 2nd as does Paul with his third although Vejmola could challenge Paul with another strong flight like his second flight. There could be some surprises here and we have seen Paul reach deep and pull something out. And David is not known to leave much on the table in these situations despite that little black cloud that seems to hang over him. Nor does Orestes. These guys know how to compete.
Where there could be some other shifting: Let's watch the final flight scores between Yatsenko and Yakovlev, currently about 3 points difference for 6th and 7th. And if Nogome matches his last flight with his 2nd, and based on his qualifying performance, he could challenge for 7th or better rather than his current 15th position. That could knock Orestes down one place but will not jeopardize the USA Team placing. Of course, Orestes could move up several places with a good score that he is capable of. And congratulations to Bene Rodrigues for his strong showing. He has been doing this business for a number of years. (I first met him in Sweden in 1982.) Nice person, good flier.
Team ranking is almost secure unless there is a total meltdown in flying and judging. Team USA should be adding another win to its unparalleled record.
This is the stuff that Team Managers can fret about between rounds, but cannot do much except to make sure the score sheets are correct, even if they have the score sheets available for review. (That does not always happen in real time.).
Keith
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Yes It is possible
Here is each maneuver and the K-factor copied from the FAI rule book. Pop quiz, do the math and We'll all know
That near perfection is possible.
(Clip)
Just a little something to keep busy while waiting for the final results to be posted HB~> HB~>
Another interersting exercise. Burger's first finals flight was 1,099.15. 90% of a perfect score is 1,179. 80% is 1,048. Not bad.
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Yes and result at the top is almost like a broken record.
But congrats to the US speed team for their Bronze Medal.
That is if the results are offical Z@@ZZZ
Simply incorrect....
Round 4 of F2A is today (Friday). It is flown in reverse order of scores at the end of round three wit the final three reversed from that. It isn't over until the fourth round is complete.
Schedule is attached for Friday.
Bill
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Simply incorrect....
Round 4 of F2A is today (Friday). It is flown in reverse order of scores at the end of round three wit the final three reversed from that. It isn't over until the fourth round is complete.
Schedule is attached for Friday.
Bill
I'm sorry Bill,Everyone
I thought it was best out of three.
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It's over. Yes, Igor won.
We are still waiting for the final results. They will not release that yet and they don't post scores as they come out.
We have compared our score sheets and I believe Juri has finished 3rd.
We also "believe" the US team won the gold.
We will find out in a few hours.
From the US Dave was next followed by Orestes. Where they fit in exactly we don't know.
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Thanks, Paul
And congratulations to Igor and the US team (Hopefully!)
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It's over. Yes, Igor won.
We are still waiting for the final results. They will not release that yet and they don't post scores as they come out.
We have compared our score sheets and I believe Juri has finished 3rd.
We also "believe" the US team won the gold.
We will find out in a few hours.
From the US Dave was next followed by Orestes. Where they fit in exactly we don't know.
Thanks for the update Paul. Good job guys!
Derek
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OK, it is official.
Paul 4th, David 5th, and Orestes 9th.
Team USA 1st, Team China 2nd, and Team Ukraine 3rd.
For the interested:
There were 4 electrics in the top 15.
They were in places 1 through 4.
There were many people asking questions about electric power.
Now, to get some rest....after the party!!!!
Your humble servant..
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Congratulations Team USA!!!!!!
Derek
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It's over. Yes, Igor won.
We have compared our score sheets and I believe Juri has finished 3rd.
We also "believe" the US team won the gold.
Juri Vezmola at one time, was coached by Igor Burgor, so his shadow is actually a lot longer than it may seem.
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OK, it is official.
Paul 4th, David 5th, and Orestes 9th.
Team USA 1st, Team China 2nd, and Team Ukraine 3rd.
For the interested:
There were 4 electrics in the top 15.
They were in places 1 through 4.
There were many people asking questions about electric power.
Now, to get some rest....after the party!!!!
Your humble servant..
WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!
Congrats your finishes and congrats on the TEAM GOLD!!!!
You guys did awesome and made us proud!!!
Thanks again!
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Paul,
I'll be looking forward to hearing your report next time we see each other. Sounds like it was an interesting event.
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I want just to say how incredibly happy I am with Mr. Igor Burger’s victory. A whole lotta cats have been riding the Igor Burger “gravy train”, and benefiting from it for quite some time. Some, like Juri Vezmola, and Richard Kornmeier, have ridden it all the way to the top.
Igor has been knocking at the door of a big time win for a long time. His incredible hard work and brilliant engineering, has finally struck gold for him. Windy Urtnowski said it, ”the guys who put the most work in, get the most out of this sport”. Mr. Igor Burger certainly meets that criteria.
Congratulations!!
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Hello everyone!
Final results attached.
Congratulations to the new World Champion, Igor Burger, and the US Team for a job extremely well done!
Claudio. H^^
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OK, it is official.
Paul 4th, David 5th, and Orestes 9th.
Team USA 1st, Team China 2nd, and Team Ukraine 3rd.
For the interested:
There were 4 electrics in the top 15.
They were in places 1 through 4.
There were many people asking questions about electric power.
Now, to get some rest....after the party!!!!
Your humble servant..
Paul, Thanks for the info.. Someone said the Chinese are flying 4 strokes sure would like to know the details of how they run them, especially what pitch props they run.
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Paul, Thanks for the info.. Someone said the Chinese are flying 4 strokes sure would like to know the details of how they run them, especially what pitch props they run.
I believe all but one, are flying FA62s. One member uses a FA72. They used to fly FA56s. Han Ping uses a Golden Knight. A member of the Chinese team came to Socal and entered in Open Stunt. He won with a 56 Golden Knight. I was one of the judges.
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OK, it is official.
Paul 4th, David 5th, and Orestes 9th.
Team USA 1st, Team China 2nd, and Team Ukraine 3rd.
Does Igor count as a member of Team Stunthanger? If so, for US denizens of the Forum that makes it a double win.
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Does Igor count as a member of Team Stunthanger? If so, for US denizens of the Forum that makes it a double win.
Well he is a member here. I think I will make a badge for world champs. Way to go Igor and the US team.
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Hi All, been looking for the overall results for the w/champs can't find them anywhere.. can anyone help?
Thanks Phil Myers
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Well he is a member here. I think I will make a badge for world champs. Way to go Igor and the US team.
HI Sparky,
I believe the World Champion badge is a great idea. We have all the US World Champions except Mr. Gieseke and Billy Werwage.
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
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Hi All, been looking for the overall results for the w/champs can't find them anywhere.. can anyone help?
Thanks Phil Myers
http://fesselflugcenter.kostenloses-forum.be/fesselflugcenter-beitrag647.html
See page two.
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Hi All, been looking for the overall results for the w/champs can't find them anywhere.. can anyone help?
Thanks Phil Myers
How about checking the World Champs website?
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Thanks all and congratulation to US team. Unfortunately slovakia is too small country (5 mil) to make 3 good flyers, so we were not able to make better result in teams. May be next time :-)))) ... may be we will convince Juro Vejmola to make Czechoslovakia team, it will be much better also in teams :- )))))))))))))))))))
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Wonder what poor Igor did?
wrong hourglass ; )))))))))))))))) so that was just gently kick, he even do not felt it :P D:)
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wrong hour glass ; )))))))))))))))) so that was just gently kick, he even do not felt it :P D:)
LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ ;D
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HEEEEYYY let me be ... I am not responsive for that hourglass, it was Bulgarian earthquake ... or something like that ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E0_93Z7GyZQ
LL~ LL~ LL~
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I'm certainly enjoying seeing all the photo's of the various planes in the pits.
Its refreshing to see the classic timeless art of
Building
design
painting
Commerce
Hasn't been lost.
Oh PJ, tell us what you really think!
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Just watched Igor's, David's & Paul's final flights. We need to work on that V8, Paul. It's easy to be hyper-critical when watching a video, it seems. See you in Salem, I hope. H^^ Steve