Author Topic: 2012 World Champs (Read 23731 times)

Mike Keville · « **Reply #150 on:** August 30, 2012, 07:26:52 PM »

What Steve said. Spain's Luis Parramon has been "the man" in F2A for several years. He works hard at it. I saw him win in Sweden in 1996. His flights were awesome.

It's pretty hard (if not impossible) to "predetermine" an event that's judged with stopwatches.

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #151 on:** August 30, 2012, 07:32:46 PM »

That's right,
That if nothing else was meant as a compliment. Cause in speed nothing else matters except fast and I believe that is his eighth or ninth time overall. Now THATS Dominance and that earns my respect.

steven yampolsky · « **Reply #152 on:** August 30, 2012, 07:38:48 PM »

Quote from: RandySmith on August 30, 2012, 03:39:00 PM

Best 2 flights

Randy

With just one flight to go, even if Igor doesn't fly, the next runner up would have to put up a 1129.19 flight! Is this even possible?

There is also another interresting development: Paul Walker is being pressured by Vejmola Jiri whose second flight was higher than Paul's either flight.

One aspect none has mentioned yet is the "home field" advantage sort of speak. Slovakia and Chech Republic are both very close geographically and climatologically to Bulgaria. To them, this is a very familiar territory.

Brett Buck · « **Reply #153 on:** August 30, 2012, 07:58:04 PM »

Quote from: Steven Yampolsky on August 30, 2012, 07:38:48 PM

With just one flight to go, even if Igor doesn't fly, the next runner up would have to put up a 1129.19 flight! Is this even possible?

It's possible. Based on the other scores to date, it seems very unlikely, but certainly mathematically possible. Never say die but it's a pretty tough assignment.

Brett

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #154 on:** August 30, 2012, 08:04:46 PM »

Yes It is possible
Here is each maneuver and the K-factor copied from the FAI rule book. Pop quiz, do the math and We'll all know
That near perfection is possible.

Execution and Sequence of Manoeuvres
The sequence of manoeuvres with their corresponding K factor is :
1. Starting 1
2. Take-off 2
3. Reverse wing-over 8
4. Three consecutive inside loops 6
5. Two consecutive laps of inverted level flight 2
6. Three consecutive outside loops 6
7. Two consecutive inside square loops 12
8. Two consecutive outside square loops 12
9. Two consecutive inside triangular loops 14
10. Two consecutive horizontal eights 7
11. Two consecutive square horizontal eight 18
12. Two consecutive vertical eight 10
13 Hourglass 10
14. Two consecutive overhead figure eight 10
15. Four-leaf clover 8
16. Landing 5

Just a little something to keep busy while waiting for the final results to be posted

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #155 on:** August 30, 2012, 08:58:01 PM »

Quote from: darkstar1 on August 30, 2012, 08:04:46 PM

Yes It is possible
Here is each maneuver and the K-factor copied from the FAI rule book. Pop quiz, do the math and We'll all know
That near perfection is possible.

Execution and Sequence of Manoeuvres
The sequence of manoeuvres with their corresponding K factor is :
1. Starting 1
2. Take-off 2
3. Reverse wing-over 8
4. Three consecutive inside loops 6
5. Two consecutive laps of inverted level flight 2
6. Three consecutive outside loops 6
7. Two consecutive inside square loops 12
8. Two consecutive outside square loops 12
9. Two consecutive inside triangular loops 14
10. Two consecutive horizontal eights 7
11. Two consecutive square horizontal eight 18
12. Two consecutive vertical eight 10
13 Hourglass 10
14. Two consecutive overhead figure eight 10
15. Four-leaf clover 8
16. Landing 5

Just a little something to keep busy while waiting for the final results to be posted

Now you done gone and gave me a headache!

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #156 on:** August 30, 2012, 09:02:39 PM »

Quote from: Steve Helmick on August 30, 2012, 08:58:01 PM

Now you done gone and gave me a headache!

Then my work here is almost done. Try doing math while applying on line for a job. Now that's

proparc · « **Reply #157 on:** August 30, 2012, 09:10:57 PM »

Quote from: Steven Yampolsky on August 30, 2012, 07:38:48 PM

One aspect none has mentioned yet is the "home field" advantage sort of speak. Slovakia and Chech Republic are both very close geographically and climatologically to Bulgaria. To them, this is a very familiar territory.

I did in one of my earlier posts.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #158 on:** August 30, 2012, 09:18:12 PM »

I was talking about the earlier note about the Chinese.

steven yampolsky · « **Reply #159 on:** August 30, 2012, 09:23:26 PM »

Quote from: proparc on August 30, 2012, 09:10:57 PM

I did in one of my earlier posts.

My apologies for having missed it.

Trostle · « **Reply #160 on:** August 30, 2012, 10:20:30 PM »

Interesting to look at the division of the scores of these top 15. Yes, Burger looks almost unassailable. Schrek has command of 2nd as does Paul with his third although Vejmola could challenge Paul with another strong flight like his second flight. There could be some surprises here and we have seen Paul reach deep and pull something out. And David is not known to leave much on the table in these situations despite that little black cloud that seems to hang over him. Nor does Orestes. These guys know how to compete.

Where there could be some other shifting: Let's watch the final flight scores between Yatsenko and Yakovlev, currently about 3 points difference for 6th and 7th. And if Nogome matches his last flight with his 2nd, and based on his qualifying performance, he could challenge for 7th or better rather than his current 15th position. That could knock Orestes down one place but will not jeopardize the USA Team placing. Of course, Orestes could move up several places with a good score that he is capable of. And congratulations to Bene Rodrigues for his strong showing. He has been doing this business for a number of years. (I first met him in Sweden in 1982.) Nice person, good flier.

Team ranking is almost secure unless there is a total meltdown in flying and judging. Team USA should be adding another win to its unparalleled record.

This is the stuff that Team Managers can fret about between rounds, but cannot do much except to make sure the score sheets are correct, even if they have the score sheets available for review. (That does not always happen in real time.).

Keith

Trostle · « **Reply #161 on:** August 30, 2012, 10:39:01 PM »

Quote from: darkstar1 on August 30, 2012, 08:04:46 PM

Yes It is possible
Here is each maneuver and the K-factor copied from the FAI rule book. Pop quiz, do the math and We'll all know
That near perfection is possible.

(Clip)

Just a little something to keep busy while waiting for the final results to be posted

Another interersting exercise. Burger's first finals flight was 1,099.15. 90% of a perfect score is 1,179. 80% is 1,048. Not bad.

BillLee · « **Reply #162 on:** August 31, 2012, 12:00:16 AM »

Quote from: darkstar1 on August 30, 2012, 05:47:17 PM

Yes and result at the top is almost like a broken record.
But congrats to the US speed team for their Bronze Medal.
That is if the results are offical

Simply incorrect....

Round 4 of F2A is today (Friday). It is flown in reverse order of scores at the end of round three wit the final three reversed from that. It isn't over until the fourth round is complete.

Schedule is attached for Friday.

Bill

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #163 on:** August 31, 2012, 04:45:58 AM »

Quote from: BillLee on August 31, 2012, 12:00:16 AM

Simply incorrect....

Round 4 of F2A is today (Friday). It is flown in reverse order of scores at the end of round three wit the final three reversed from that. It isn't over until the fourth round is complete.

Schedule is attached for Friday.

Bill

I'm sorry Bill,Everyone
I thought it was best out of three.

Paul Walker · « **Reply #164 on:** August 31, 2012, 07:02:10 AM »

It's over. Yes, Igor won.
We are still waiting for the final results. They will not release that yet and they don't post scores as they come out.
We have compared our score sheets and I believe Juri has finished 3rd.
We also "believe" the US team won the gold.

We will find out in a few hours.

From the US Dave was next followed by Orestes. Where they fit in exactly we don't know.

Darkstar1 · « **Reply #165 on:** August 31, 2012, 07:08:55 AM »

Thanks, Paul
And congratulations to Igor and the US team (Hopefully!)

Derek Barry · « **Reply #166 on:** August 31, 2012, 08:19:17 AM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on August 31, 2012, 07:02:10 AM

It's over. Yes, Igor won.
We are still waiting for the final results. They will not release that yet and they don't post scores as they come out.
We have compared our score sheets and I believe Juri has finished 3rd.
We also "believe" the US team won the gold.

We will find out in a few hours.

From the US Dave was next followed by Orestes. Where they fit in exactly we don't know.

Thanks for the update Paul. Good job guys!

Derek

Paul Walker · « **Reply #167 on:** August 31, 2012, 08:22:48 AM »

OK, it is official.
Paul 4th, David 5th, and Orestes 9th.
Team USA 1st, Team China 2nd, and Team Ukraine 3rd.

For the interested:
There were 4 electrics in the top 15.
They were in places 1 through 4.

There were many people asking questions about electric power.

Now, to get some rest....after the party!!!!

Your humble servant..

Derek Barry · « **Reply #168 on:** August 31, 2012, 08:32:26 AM »

Congratulations Team USA!!!!!!

Derek

proparc · « **Reply #169 on:** August 31, 2012, 08:37:15 AM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on August 31, 2012, 07:02:10 AM

It's over. Yes, Igor won.
We have compared our score sheets and I believe Juri has finished 3rd.
We also "believe" the US team won the gold.

Juri Vezmola at one time, was coached by Igor Burgor, so his shadow is actually a lot longer than it may seem.

Doug Moon · « **Reply #170 on:** August 31, 2012, 08:54:32 AM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on August 31, 2012, 08:22:48 AM

OK, it is official.
Paul 4th, David 5th, and Orestes 9th.
Team USA 1st, Team China 2nd, and Team Ukraine 3rd.

For the interested:
There were 4 electrics in the top 15.
They were in places 1 through 4.

There were many people asking questions about electric power.

Now, to get some rest....after the party!!!!

Your humble servant..

WAY TO GO!!!!!!!!!!

Congrats your finishes and congrats on the TEAM GOLD!!!!

You guys did awesome and made us proud!!!

Thanks again!

Randy Powell · « **Reply #171 on:** August 31, 2012, 09:05:27 AM »

Paul,

I'll be looking forward to hearing your report next time we see each other. Sounds like it was an interesting event.

proparc · « **Reply #172 on:** August 31, 2012, 09:05:55 AM »

I want just to say how incredibly happy I am with Mr. Igor Burger’s victory. A whole lotta cats have been riding the Igor Burger “gravy train”, and benefiting from it for quite some time. Some, like Juri Vezmola, and Richard Kornmeier, have ridden it all the way to the top.

Igor has been knocking at the door of a big time win for a long time. His incredible hard work and brilliant engineering, has finally struck gold for him. Windy Urtnowski said it, ”the guys who put the most work in, get the most out of this sport”. Mr. Igor Burger certainly meets that criteria.

Congratulations!!

Claudio Chacon · « **Reply #173 on:** August 31, 2012, 09:34:17 AM »

Hello everyone!
Final results attached.
Congratulations to the new World Champion, Igor Burger, and the US Team for a job extremely well done!

Claudio.

Bob Reeves · « **Reply #174 on:** August 31, 2012, 11:50:51 AM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on August 31, 2012, 08:22:48 AM

OK, it is official.
Paul 4th, David 5th, and Orestes 9th.
Team USA 1st, Team China 2nd, and Team Ukraine 3rd.

For the interested:
There were 4 electrics in the top 15.
They were in places 1 through 4.

There were many people asking questions about electric power.

Now, to get some rest....after the party!!!!

Your humble servant..

Paul, Thanks for the info.. Someone said the Chinese are flying 4 strokes sure would like to know the details of how they run them, especially what pitch props they run.

proparc · « **Reply #175 on:** August 31, 2012, 12:08:10 PM »

Quote from: Bob Reeves on August 31, 2012, 11:50:51 AM

Paul, Thanks for the info.. Someone said the Chinese are flying 4 strokes sure would like to know the details of how they run them, especially what pitch props they run.

I believe all but one, are flying FA62s. One member uses a FA72. They used to fly FA56s. Han Ping uses a Golden Knight. A member of the Chinese team came to Socal and entered in Open Stunt. He won with a 56 Golden Knight. I was one of the judges.

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #176 on:** August 31, 2012, 03:51:27 PM »

Quote from: Paul Walker on August 31, 2012, 08:22:48 AM

OK, it is official.
Paul 4th, David 5th, and Orestes 9th.
Team USA 1st, Team China 2nd, and Team Ukraine 3rd.

Does Igor count as a member of Team Stunthanger? If so, for US denizens of the Forum that makes it a double win.

RC Storick · « **Reply #177 on:** August 31, 2012, 04:39:25 PM »

Quote from: Tim Wescott on August 31, 2012, 03:51:27 PM

Does Igor count as a member of Team Stunthanger? If so, for US denizens of the Forum that makes it a double win.

Well he is a member here. I think I will make a badge for world champs. Way to go Igor and the US team.

phil myers · « **Reply #178 on:** September 01, 2012, 10:49:30 AM »

Hi All, been looking for the overall results for the w/champs can't find them anywhere.. can anyone help?
Thanks Phil Myers

Bill Little · « **Reply #179 on:** September 01, 2012, 11:15:19 AM »

Quote from: Robert Storick on August 31, 2012, 04:39:25 PM

Well he is a member here. I think I will make a badge for world champs. Way to go Igor and the US team.

HI Sparky,

I believe the World Champion badge is a great idea. We have all the US World Champions except Mr. Gieseke and Billy Werwage.

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

Claudio Chacon · « **Reply #180 on:** September 01, 2012, 12:36:07 PM »

Quote from: phil myers on September 01, 2012, 10:49:30 AM

Hi All, been looking for the overall results for the w/champs can't find them anywhere.. can anyone help?
Thanks Phil Myers

http://fesselflugcenter.kostenloses-forum.be/fesselflugcenter-beitrag647.html

See page two.

BillLee · « **Reply #181 on:** September 01, 2012, 12:40:34 PM »

Quote from: phil myers on September 01, 2012, 10:49:30 AM

Hi All, been looking for the overall results for the w/champs can't find them anywhere.. can anyone help?
Thanks Phil Myers

How about checking the World Champs website?

Igor Burger · « **Reply #182 on:** September 04, 2012, 08:25:34 AM »

Thanks all and congratulation to US team. Unfortunately slovakia is too small country (5 mil) to make 3 good flyers, so we were not able to make better result in teams. May be next time :-)))) ... may be we will convince Juro Vejmola to make Czechoslovakia team, it will be much better also in teams :- )))))))))))))))))))

Tania Uzunova · « **Reply #183 on:** September 20, 2012, 04:54:40 AM »

Quote from: Randy Powell on August 27, 2012, 02:17:43 PM

Wonder what poor Igor did?

wrong hourglass ; )))))))))))))))) so that was just gently kick, he even do not felt it

D:)

John Stiles · « **Reply #184 on:** September 20, 2012, 06:42:46 AM »

Quote from: Tania Uzunova on September 20, 2012, 04:54:40 AM

wrong hour glass ; )))))))))))))))) so that was just gently kick, he even do not felt it D:)

Igor Burger · « **Reply #185 on:** September 20, 2012, 07:05:36 AM »

HEEEEYYY let me be ... I am not responsive for that hourglass, it was Bulgarian earthquake ... or something like that ...

Paul Walker · « **Reply #186 on:** September 20, 2012, 01:52:40 PM »

Quote from: PJ Rowland on August 28, 2012, 12:43:41 AM

I'm certainly enjoying seeing all the photo's of the various planes in the pits.

Its refreshing to see the classic timeless art of

~~Building~~

~~design~~

~~painting~~

Commerce

Hasn't been lost.

Oh PJ, tell us what you really think!

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #187 on:** September 20, 2012, 05:03:05 PM »

Just watched Igor's, David's & Paul's final flights. We need to work on that V8, Paul. It's easy to be hyper-critical when watching a video, it seems. See you in Salem, I hope.

Steve

Author Topic: 2012 World Champs (Read 23731 times)

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