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Online Ty Marcucci

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I- beamer with a strange tail.
« on: December 23, 2011, 05:16:32 PM »

Amazing how things can be drawn in two dimensions, but are impossible to do in three.... H^^
« Last Edit: March 19, 2017, 10:48:28 PM by Ty Marcucci »
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2011, 05:22:42 PM »
Clearly you're supposed to cut the elevator into four sections: one on each side of the fuselage inboard of the vertical stabs, and a pair outboard of the vertical stabs.
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #2 on: December 24, 2011, 10:44:58 AM »
Ty,

Please if you don't mind, a bit more info on your "I" beam?

Material, liminations, and your cord thickness?

Nice work, looks like you build fast?

CB
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #3 on: December 24, 2011, 01:20:31 PM »
Ty, why should the rudder be equal above and below ?
I thought the rudder should be balanced according to the c/g - c/l of the aircraft horizontally.
Not 100% sure if I am saying it clearly.
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2011, 01:24:48 PM »
Also, what's to say they are too big? That's really for the designer to choose.
I ask because my new world beating F2B also has twin fins that look too big!
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2011, 03:40:01 PM »
    ...not the only one that liked 'em that way. Any one know who the cat is behind Charlie?
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #6 on: December 24, 2011, 05:32:00 PM »
Quote from: Avaiojet on December 24, 2011, 10:44:58 AM
Ty,

Please if you don't mind, a bit more info on your "I" beam?

Material, liminations, and your cord thickness?

Nice work, looks like you build fast?

CB
Looks like a standard I beam wing to me. It might take you two days if you are slow but TY could build it in a afternoon.
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2011, 05:47:52 AM »
Ty Nice to see you got the flap horn in there. How many times have you forgot it? ~^
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2011, 08:45:26 AM »
Looks like modified Olympic to me.
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2011, 12:09:37 PM »
Quote from: Ty Marcucci on December 24, 2011, 05:43:03 PM
Short tail wheel strut, equals high rudders. By the by, I have a kit of the Ballerina, any one want to buy it? 85.00 plus postage in the lower 48 takes it.  After Christmas.  H^^

Ty,

Got a photo of that Ballerina kit? If I like it, would you trade graphics, lettering or paint mask?

Your "I" beam, is it laminated?

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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #10 on: December 25, 2011, 02:04:58 PM »
Ty,

Your photo, looks like you have plywood laminated on the spar about 5 to 6 ribs out? Is that plywood?

I would like to see a photo of that Ballerina? Sounds nice. Wingspan?

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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #11 on: December 25, 2011, 04:09:30 PM »
CB, a quick search netted this thread with pictures in it of the Ballerina,,

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=3367.0
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #12 on: December 25, 2011, 04:25:57 PM »
Quote from: Mark Scarborough on December 25, 2011, 04:09:30 PM
CB, a quick search netted this thread with pictures in it of the Ballerina,,

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=3367.0

Mark,

Thanks for that, I appreciate it.

Looks like the Ballerina was designed with the Aircoupe in mind. Not extremely attractive, IMHO, but still a nice classic. Painted properly would help the appearance.

I wonder if the model has real ribs or Ares wing type of setup?

I would trade for it.

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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #13 on: December 25, 2011, 04:26:51 PM »
Ty
I agree the plans look odd, however, perhaps the elevator outboard of the rudders is fixed - that it is just a joint line not a hinge line.  That would make the movable elevator limited to between the rudders.  Does it look like that would be enough elevator?

In any case I prefer the mods you are making: equal over/under and moved out to the tips...
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2011, 02:01:35 PM »
Quote from: Ty Marcucci on December 24, 2011, 02:29:25 PM
This is not "my" I-beam, but a design by Ron Peterson in Ohio. I don't know him, but purchased this on ebay from him about 6 years ago.
  H^^ D>K

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=23124.0

I'm wondering if this might be the same Ron Peterson that posed with the Mackey Spitfire in the magazine article? It would be neat to find out!  y1 Steve
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #15 on: January 20, 2012, 12:03:18 PM »
Some of the Ballerina's had a very fat nose and jet pod wheel pants that I thought was ugly.  The Ballerina 3 had the narrow nose and normal wheel pants. It looked much better. I saw quite a few Ballerina's in the day and the rudders always looked to big. ~^ Saw one with triple rudders %^@ that were much smaller and it looked great. Here it is with the narrow nose.
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #16 on: January 20, 2012, 12:35:10 PM »
  ...BALLERINAS
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2012, 06:27:17 AM »
Ed,
Thanks for using my "Ballerina" picture. It is from an old slide I took at the "61 Willow Grove Nats. Here it is in a format that will enlarge. I am adding a second picture, that is slightly out of focus. That airplane would be front row today.
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #18 on: February 28, 2012, 08:25:19 AM »
Ty, any update on your plane? I've been looking forward to seeing it all assembled.
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2012, 11:23:33 AM »
Ty:
THat is REALLY looking good.  SOunds like a pretty good sized bird too.  How's the weight coming out?
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #20 on: March 09, 2012, 10:15:10 AM »
Looking good Ty,
The stablets on the side of the rudders are interesting. Were they on the plans or something you added for taste? I am certaintly interested to hear how she flies. Keep up the good work!
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #21 on: March 24, 2012, 02:53:26 PM »
In basic paint. More to do, but it's getting to look like a plane.
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #22 on: April 09, 2012, 05:03:25 PM »
Hi Ty, anything new to report?  Any chance it's been in the air?
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Re: I- beamer with a strange tail.
« Reply #23 on: April 10, 2012, 05:21:56 AM »
You could leave it pink, put the breast cancer logo on it and call it good and go fly!
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