My bad, I meant tautening butyrate for the final clear coats before color. I found out that the butyrate colors from Randolph are all non-tautening. John, didn't mean to confuse anyone, the Randolph stuff is cheaper than the LHS dope, so thats the reason I've been using it. Been back at this less than 2 years and have learned so much fron this forum and others. See, an old dog can learn new tricks! Even learned how to use a spray gun.