Watch this then make your mind up on Ukraine

[RC Storick]

Very interesting

One more

[John Hammonds]

I don't buy it.

True Ukraine has a turbulent past, what "Recent" country doesn't?

Ukraine is far more unified now than shown in those videos. It's not without its faults and I wouldn't want to live there (Pre Russian invasion). But I can't believe you are suggesting Putin's course of action was in anyway justified.

TTFN
John.

[RC Storick]

I don't buy it.

True Ukraine has a turbulent past, what "Recent" country doesn't?

Ukraine is far more unified now than shown in those videos. It's not without its faults and I wouldn't want to live there (Pre Russian invasion). But I can't believe you are suggesting Putin's course of action was in anyway justified.

TTFN
John.

Where does it say my mind? It says make up your mind. They have been fighting over there for hundreds of years.

[Bill Morell]

Where does it say my mind? It says make up your mind. They have been fighting over there for hundreds of years.

Previously without all our money.

[Brett Buck]

Where does it say my mind? It says make up your mind. They have been fighting over there for hundreds of years.

  Of course. The various European nations have a violent and bloodthirsty history, they have been at each others throats forever. They started 2 world wars, in both cases, the adults had to step in and put a stop to it, and after the second, we had to take away most of their toys so they would play nice. That;s the only reason there hasn't been WW III, WW IV, or more.

 We defended them because we couldn't trust them to act responsibly, that is about half of what NATO is for. The other half is the fact that the other "adults" that stepped in were more violent socialist  totalitarians, Communists, who were allies of convenience, and hardly any better than our enemies, also violent socialist totalitarians, their bitter rivals, the Facists. Two sides of the same coin, the Nazis were a bigger threat so we did a temporary deal with the devil. Then, predicably, at the end, they were still the devil.

    And the Ukrainian government are hardly choirboys or sterliing examples of rectitude, they were/are (as with most European governments including the EU) notoriously corrupt, and heavily complicit in various frauds including those involving Hunter Biden  - who really seems to get around for someone with his, er, "qualifications", that is, as a ne'er-do-well influence peddler.

   All that aside, the Russians *did* invade a sovereign country, with the stated purpose of recreating the USSR, which is a clear violation of the principles of international law, and more importantly, *exactly what the Nazis did*. We are at least complicit with them for exactly the same reason we were in 1939, we sat by with nary a peep when they took over another country, hoping they would stop at the Crimea. We know how this story goes, we have seen it before, it is not in our interest to allow first the Crimea, now Ukraine, and the obvious progression to Poland, etc.

     In any case, we have a stake in the outcome, we do not want to allow them to turn back the clock to 1989. We are in a better strategic position if they lose in Ukraine, it is worth some effort to halt them and push them back. Obviously, we could end it in 15 minutes if we wanted to, and it is a fair question how much to give up to make that happen. But I point out that one mistake we have made over and over is to just feed in enough resources to make a stalemate, but not enough to decisively end it. We did it wrong in Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan and we did it right in Iraq the second time.

    That's just my opinion, I think we are better off making darn sure this is over so it doesn't either drag on indefinitely, because the end result would be far better for us than dragging it out for years/decades or allowing the Russians free reign. Yes, the ever-feckless Euros should take care of this themselves, but you know they won't and I sure don't want to bet our asses on them doing something about it.

    The Russians still as evil as when Reagan was around. Keeping them from reforming the USSR is definitely a matter of US National Security. What is that worth?

    Brett

[Dennis Moritz]

Worth a damn lot. I agree with Brett. This unusual exceptional day. Guess he'll change his mind. Now. Perhaps. A few more on this forum will understand the chaos and deadly confusion spread by a most insidious and relentless agent of the former USSR. King Orange. Watch Putin TV as they yuk it up about the effectiveness of their brilliant evil creation.

Our Civil War, implications ongoing, compares to European blood baths.

[Dennis Moritz]

Our support for Ukraine is bargain basement cheap. Three or four percent of our yearly defense budget. Maybe five. Also. So far. None of our soldiers killed. None of our effective and expensive state of the art weapons at risk.

[John Park]

More good sense from many of you, Brett especially.  You don't have to go back any more than ninety years in European history to hear the alarm bells ringing when an aggressive, militaristic country starts getting all expansionist.  It's a moot point whether Hitler could have been stopped in his tracks if we - Britain and France, chiefly - hadn't been so lily-livered in our response when he moved into Czechoslovakia, but it might well have made him think twice about Poland and thus, maybe, averted WW2.  The general view in Britain is that if Putin is allowed to take Ukraine, he won't stop there: five years to rebuild his armed forces, and somewhere else - probably Poland again - will be next.  Then off we'll go again, unless Putin is so considerate as to shuffle off this mortal coil first.

[John Lindberg]

I don't know about you, but I am tired of protecting everybody's else's border, but not our own! 

[frank williams]

Robert,
I'm glad you posted these.  I hadn't seen them, and I found them enlightening.  I'm not a history buff, but I do realize that, like Brett said, "the European nations have a violent and blood thirsty history".  Although, at the time I didn't take too much note of the Ukrainian riots in the recent decade, the videos did piece together some of the parts and players.  The involvement of Soros was noted.  It would be an interesting video if Stone would do a history of him.
Anyway, thanks for posting them.
Frank

[Brett Buck]

I don't know about you, but I am tired of protecting everybody's else's border, but not our own! 

   Agreed. That is not an either/or choice. We could do a lot better on border security without affecting our support of Ukraine. Neither party in the USA seems to have any real interest in doing anything about it. Obama and Biden obviously want people streaming across the border, and Trump gave it lip service but not much was done about it.

    But you have to look down the road 10-15-20 years - would you rather deal with the Russians now, or once they have taken over most of Europe (probably as far as the French border)?  Because, for pretty obvious reasons, they are back. And you sure as hell can't count on the Europeans stopping them, as recently as a year and a half ago, they were trying to do deals with them for cheap oil and gas and tried to keep doing it even once the invasion started.  They will sell out hard the first time it looks like they can get away with it.   Just my opinion, of course, but I think we are better off dealing with them now.

    Brett

[Dan McEntee]

   Agreed. That is not an either/or choice. We could do a lot better on border security without affecting our support of Ukraine. Neither party in the USA seems to have any real interest in doing anything about it. Obama and Biden obviously want people streaming across the border, and Trump gave it lip service but not much was done about it.

    But you have to look down the road 10-15-20 years - would you rather deal with the Russians now, or once they have taken over most of Europe (probably as far as the French border)?  Because, for pretty obvious reasons, they are back. And you sure as hell can't count on the Europeans stopping them, as recently as a year and a half ago, they were trying to do deals with them for cheap oil and gas and tried to keep doing it even once the invasion started.  They will sell out hard the first time it looks like they can get away with it.   Just my opinion, of course, but I think we are better off dealing with them now.

    Brett

      My wife's step-grandfather Joe was originally from Hungary, and had to deal with the Nazis in WW-2, and then the Russians after WW-2. When he could no longer take the oppression, he announced to his wife and 4 (I think ) children that he was leaving and anyone that wanted to come along with him, be prepared by the next night. Two of his sons went with him, and they escaped by traveling on foot at night and hiding through the day. They made there way west until they were able to arrange passage to Canada, and then he and his oldest son immigrated to the US when they were able to. This was in the early 1950s and there was strict immigration limits at that time ( Like there should be NOW!!) One son settled in Montreal, Canada, and Joe and his other son ended up here in St. Louis and since Joe was a butcher by trade, they established a butcher shop in South St. Louis. When I got married and and we would get together for holiday meals and such, Joe would give up little tidbits of information on his journey. Something on the news that was about Russia ( this might have been around Reagan's time in office) prompted the comment from him " When the US beat Germany, they should have kept on going and eliminated Stalin while they had the chance and the army to do it !!!" It was the most animated and angry I had ever witnessed Joe being about anything. It was along the lines from the movie "Patton" when he yells " Give me 500,000 gallons of gas an a few divisions and I'll go to Moscow and kick his ass and make it look like it was his fault!!"  Or something like that. I wish I had taken the time to ask Joe more about some details of his flight from Hungary. Imagine leaving some of your family behind, knowing you may never see them again? I was always just afraid to ask about it because I didn't want to upset him, because his former wife and two children were still alive and living in Hungary. But just imagine the possibilities of what might have been if we had done what Joe and Patton had suggested, and eliminated the threat before it became much more difficult to achieve?? We may be at such a  point right now, and makes me wonder what is going on behind the scenes that we don't know about, and we have this decrepit, senile puppet in office that I wouldn't trust with a rubber tipped dart gun!! These are some serious times we are living in folks. You have a guy that can't find his way through a speech, then find his way off stage without help, and he's in charge of our military and nuclear arsenals!!!
  Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

[John Lindberg]

   Agreed. That is not an either/or choice. We could do a lot better on border security without affecting our support of Ukraine. Neither party in the USA seems to have any real interest in doing anything about it. Obama and Biden obviously want people streaming across the border, and Trump gave it lip service but not much was done about it.

    But you have to look down the road 10-15-20 years - would you rather deal with the Russians now, or once they have taken over most of Europe (probably as far as the French border)?  Because, for pretty obvious reasons, they are back. And you sure as hell can't count on the Europeans stopping them, as recently as a year and a half ago, they were trying to do deals with them for cheap oil and gas and tried to keep doing it even once the invasion started.  They will sell out hard the first time it looks like they can get away with it.   Just my opinion, of course, but I think we are better off dealing with them now.
Apparently, it is either/or to Biden, because hr refuses to do anything to protect our borders. Does anyone trust Biden to run WWIII, because that is where we are headed. People close to Putin are saying "It is not worth living in a world without Russia"
    Brett

[Dwayne Donnelly]

   Agreed. That is not an either/or choice. We could do a lot better on border security without affecting our support of Ukraine. Neither party in the USA seems to have any real interest in doing anything about it. Obama and Biden obviously want people streaming across the border, and Trump gave it lip service but not much was done about it.

    But you have to look down the road 10-15-20 years - would you rather deal with the Russians now, or once they have taken over most of Europe (probably as far as the French border)?  Because, for pretty obvious reasons, they are back. And you sure as hell can't count on the Europeans stopping them, as recently as a year and a half ago, they were trying to do deals with them for cheap oil and gas and tried to keep doing it even once the invasion started.  They will sell out hard the first time it looks like they can get away with it.   Just my opinion, of course, but I think we are better off dealing with them now.

    Brett

This, it doesn't matter who Zelensky is or how bad (or good) the Ukraine is, or who or what caused Putin to invade, the simple fact now is Putin is trying to rebuild the old USSR and that we can not allow, Putin must be stopped, period.

[John Lindberg]

With what? I thought we are broke, 32 trillion in the hole!

[Steve Dwyer]

No one has mentioned China's relationship with Putin, apparently Xi is on the fence over whether to assist Russia with war materials. Europe has for the most part has gotten away boycotting Russia and financially freezing many of their accounts. But what about China, if they decide to support Russia where does it leave us and our relationship?  We import almost 5 times from China compared to what we send them. Our manufacturing is very dependent on their parts and many Americans are employed in China we may be in deeper Poo Poo than we already are supporting Ukraine. I doubt we will have much leverage with them.

Steve

[Chuck Matheny]

Why would such a virtuous leader like Zelensky need to act like he's the Premiere of Ukraine...?

https://www.newsweek.com/zelensky-narrative-shifting-opinion-1731875

"Zelensky rules much like his adversary, the universally denounced Putin, does. Zelensky shut down all opposition media in Ukraine, then banned opposition political parties."

Imagine if Team Biden shut down the opposition party..ooops...thats what millions of illegal aliens flooding in  and the massive Section Eighting of rural America is intended to accomplish.

[wwwarbird]

 As usual, Brett nails it again. 

 If only the majority of eligible voters in this country had as much sense.

[David Hoover]

I thought there wasn't supposed to be political commentary on this site.

[Brett Buck]

Worth a damn lot. I agree with Brett. This unusual exceptional day. Guess he'll change his mind. Now. Perhaps. A few more on this forum will understand the chaos and deadly confusion spread by a most insidious and relentless agent of the former USSR. King Orange.

    Who was warning the Europeans they needed to be able to defend themselves, and who do you suppose he thought the enemy would be - Peru? The Maldives?  And who sputtered and fumed about being "insulted", and immediately turned around and did energy deals with the Russians?

     You apparently have forgotten that the "Trump is a Russian Agent" bit was pulled from the clear blue sky by your drunken failed presidential candidate, and proven to be false by your own hatchet ma. And that the "Trump Dossier" was originally a product of the Clinton campaign.

   Reality is just a vague and fungible notion to people like you, I guess.

    Brett

 

[wwwarbird]

   
 Reality is just a vague and fungible notion to people like you, I guess.

    Brett

 And sadly, to many others.

[Brett Buck]

And sadly, to many others.

   All you have to do is assert something.  If it has "truthiness" to it (i.e. it fits with your preconceived notions), it is incontrovertibly true. The first really big example was the Bush National Guard documents. Dan Rather defended it on the basis that even though the papers constituting the sole evidence might have been faked, the story itself was still true.

      Roll that one around for a second - they had no evidence, they dug around looking for some until someone faked it for them. That somehow "proves" that the story itself - that they made up and set out to find proof for, and for which there was only one obviously fraudulent document -  was actually fact. And they still, to this day, stick by it!

    Other stories with piles of official documents supporting it, that contradict their narrative, all you have to do is assert it is a "conspiracy theory" and no physical or documentary evidence is ever sufficient. Including the principles own undisputed statements or period photographs showing, say, treason, literally as it is happening.

    You can never have a sensible conversation with these people. It's not just a matter of differing political views - I have no problem with those. It that "reality" means something different to them that it has for the majority of human civilization.

     Brett

[Dennis Moritz]

Trump does what he can to ferment confusion and chaos in the USA. Still putting lie out there about the election results. Even everyone on FOX admits they knew better right away. They had to fess up when deposed. But perpetuated the lie at full blast in their broadcasts. An elaborate trail of Fox emails and messages evidence their bold faced lies. Daily Trump lies undermine out basic institutions and ability dialogue honestly. Mueller report made clear connections between Trump and the Russian propaganda machines. Did not indite because he was a sitting president who could not prove his innocence in court. Eric says they've plenty of Russian money. Whatever. Trump's effect on the USA, undermining the USA is clear enough. And yes. I've seen Russian media tout their agent Trump. The USA depends on government institutions that are separate and counter check each other. Let him stand trial where statements are evaluated as true or not true. Perjury is outed and punished. Otherwise he spouts destructive blah blah that people find it convenient to believe.

[RC Storick]

Yep just like Tucker and the January 6 videos just don’t believe your lying eyes


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[Ken Culbertson]

Trump does what he can to ferment confusion and chaos in the USA. Still putting lie out there about the election results. Even everyone on FOX admits they knew better right away. They had to fess up when deposed. But perpetuated the lie at full blast in their broadcasts. An elaborate trail of Fox emails and messages evidence their bold faced lies. Daily Trump lies undermine out basic institutions and ability dialogue honestly. Mueller report made clear connections between Trump and the Russian propaganda machines. Did not indite because he was a sitting president who could not prove his innocence in court. Eric says they've plenty of Russian money. Whatever. Trump's effect on the USA, undermining the USA is clear enough. And yes. I've seen Russian media tout their agent Trump. The USA depends on government institutions that are separate and counter check each other. Let him stand trial where statements are evaluated as true or not true. Perjury is outed and punished. Otherwise he spouts destructive blah blah that people find it convenient to believe.

Please, for the sake of all of us - get help!  Contrary to popular belief, TDS can be cured.

Ken

[Joseph Lijoi]

Please, for the sake of all of us - get help!  Contrary to popular belief, TDS can be cured.

Ken

There is hope. Try Invermectin, used for Covid-19 treatment, research has indicated that it is an effective treatment for TDS. There are side effects. Apparently patients experience a sudden desire to get down on their hands and knees and eat grass.

[Air Ministry .]

Id think its like Libya , whereas ' someone ' wants control of the RUSSIAN resiources , and spent a bit of effort to disrupt the stabilty of the place . Civilian Casualties are ' collateral damadge ' as usual .

So Ukraines a bit of a Vietnam . Stuck in the Middle .

As for capeabilties ,





Oh Dear .

Like Vietnam , it woulda been a lot cheaper to send all the Hippies over there . They wouldve all freaked out and headed for the hills . 



https://www.messynessychic.com/2014/03/11/road-trip-to-afghanistan-snapshots-from-the-lost-hippie-trail/

EGAD . ! .

https://nomadcapitalist.com/global-citizen/the-5-worst-countries-for-crony-capitalism/

[Air Ministry .]

Just send all the Rap Musicians over . It'll be the end off all of em . 



An alternative , would be to stand Putin & Biden , face to face , 18 inches apart . Whenever one lies , the other has to thump him in the head . This way they could have a peacefull discussion . If they were honest . 

[Dennis Moritz]

Ahh Ken and all. Read the Fox emails. "I passionately hate the man." Tucker. lololo. Fox and friends, Trump and non friends, lies and lies. Lies to you and yours that you believe. Even when they tell you they're full of it, you're too invested (stupid and stubborn) to admit your stupid stubborn blindness to the obvious. Run the man again. Even if he campaigns from jail. So what. You're done. Or move to the smart man's country, Putinville, where you old guys would have been dead, on the average, at 60.

[Dennis Moritz]

I guess Ukraine loves Democracy, knows well the Putin alternative is death to their souls. Which is why they are true Patriots to their Democratic country. Who day after day put their lives on the line. Life and death. Unlike some sad  folks who now and then get up from their couch potato couch and yell stuff at the TV. Or post confused indecipherable rants they copy and paste.

[Ken Culbertson]

Ahh Ken and all. Read the Fox emails. "I passionately hate the man." Tucker. lololo. Fox and friends, Trump and non friends, lies and lies. Lies to you and yours that you believe. Even when they tell you they're full of it, you're too invested (stupid and stubborn) to admit your stupid stubborn blindness to the obvious. Run the man again. Even if he campaigns from jail. So what. You're done. Or move to the smart man's country, Putinville, where you old guys would have been dead, on the average, at 60.

I am not blind to anything.  Results are all that matters to me in a President.  In 2020 we traded one that gave us results for one that doesn't.  Simple as that, and all the insults you can hurl, which is all you seem to be able to do, will not change that simple fact.

Ken

[Dennis Moritz]

Mostly terrible presidency. Increased the debt 25 percent or so. Unsteady about Covid. Killed a million. Beat up on the downtrodden. Tried to torpedo NATO. Trying to tear down our Democracy because he lost an election fair and square by 7 million votes. Inspired an insurrection. Led the MAGA Sheep this way and that while he stole their money. The insurrection is reason enough to put him somewhere in Dante's imagination of Hell. Why don't you believe what FOX and friends are telling you now in court where lying means jail time? You believed FOX and friends and the like, when they told you a bunch of evil bunk.

[Dennis Moritz]

Biden is best President since Truman. Maybe FDR. Yep. Medicare can bargain about drug prices. Insulin capped. Actually created 12 million jobs. And so on. And so on. Look it up when you have recovered from being manipulated by the most gifted and evil confidence man in USA history.

[Ken Culbertson]

Biden is best President since Truman.

[wwwarbird]

 Moritz, you're an idiot.

[Arlan McKee]

There is hope. Try Invermectin, used for Covid-19 treatment, research has indicated that it is an effective treatment for TDS. There are side effects. Apparently patients experience a sudden desire to get down on their hands and knees and eat grass.

Simply put, You don't know what the hell your talking about.
Over 4 billion doses of ivermectin have been taken by humans over the past 4 decades. It is also extremely effective at clearing the covid virus from the body when used early. But it's dirt cheap and if they had admitted that it was a viable early treatment then an emergency use authorization couldn't have been issued to keep big pharma shielded from lawsuits and allow them to rake in billion and billions of taxpayer dollars.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33278625/

[wwwarbird]

    You can never have a sensible conversation with these people. It's not just a matter of differing political views - I have no problem with those. It's that "reality" means something different to them that it has for the majority of human civilization.

     Brett

 Another bingo from Brett.

 A major problem is their "reality" has nothing to do with proven facts, or history. Those things don't even generate a radar blip in their"brain", even when laid on a shiny platter directly front of them. A part of that is because they're incapable of sensible thought on their own. We can blame a lot of that problem on today's "school" systems, or "Programming Centers" as I call them. They don't "get it" because they never "got it" in the first place. Then, you add in the further brainwashing media Kool-Aid that's so tasty to them as a result of these things and that's where we're at. It's gotten to be that overall, IMO, the combined snowball effect of all of this is the single biggest problem in this country. And, with this group apparently now being the voting majority, the main reason the rest of us are being forced to choke on this s--t everyday.

[Dennis Moritz]

Perhaps someone can interpret the movies at the head of this thread. Putin quoted at length, given central pivot of the narrative. His truth? George Soros and Hillary brainwashed Ukraine. Which is why Ukraine is resisting an invasion of their sovereign nation? Inside the brain of Oliver Stone. No thank you. Putin,the man who stacked up his military forces on the border of Ukraine, saying no no no, he would not invade. Then he did. His truth? His word? According to Putin Ukraine was brainwashed into resisting his military. Is that the message? Ahh. Right. Inside the brain of Oliver Stone. Head spinning. Putin's military in a shambles. All those abandoned tanks. All those dead Russians. Conscripted, barely trained. Beaten back by a country one third its size. Been a year. Guess Oliver believes Putin, thinks he's a genius truth teller. Same as Trump.

[Ken Culbertson]

Perhaps someone can interpret the movies at the head of this thread. Putin quoted at length, given central pivot of the narrative. His truth? George Soros and Hillary brainwashed Ukraine. Which is why Ukraine is resisting an invasion of their sovereign nation? Inside the brain of Oliver Stone. No thank you. Putin,the man who stacked up his military forces on the border of Ukraine, saying no no no, he would not invade. Then he did. His truth? His word? According to Putin Ukraine was brainwashed into resisting his military. Is that the message? Ahh. Right. Inside the brain of Oliver Stone. Head spinning. Putin's military in a shambles. All those abandoned tanks. All those dead Russians. Conscripted, barely trained. Beaten back by a country one third its size. Been a year. Guess Oliver believes Putin, thinks he's a genius truth teller. Same as Trump.

[Dennis Moritz]

Hey Ken. You tell me what those movies conclude. All along I was sure the war in Ukraine was started by Hunter Biden's laptop. How naive of me. It was Hillary's emails. Always a great pleasure to view an emoticon response. Thank you. You've nothing intelligent to say. Actually, I wish you did have something intelligent to say in dialogue.

[Dennis Moritz]

Let's see one of the movies above interviews Putin at length. Then interviews at length a man who's linked to Putin closely. Putin according to the movie, Godfather of the man's child. LOLOLO. Yeah. Objective unbiased authorities.

[Ken Culbertson]

Is there a reason you always end a comment with an insult?  It is not very effective in getting people to change their minds. Sorry, I have not viewed the video, it was blocked when I tried, and I do not open accounts with sites I don't trust just to see what is there.   This thread has become pointless so I will leave it to you.

Ken

[Dennis Moritz]

What wandering incoherent constructions. Those two movies. Oliver Stone's inherent vertigo plus Putin's aspiration to incorporate Poland, Estonia, Ukraine and other sovereign nations into present day Russia. In other words. He want to remake the Soviet Union. Any Reagan Republicans wish to comment?

[Dennis Moritz]

So. Ken. Didn't look at the movies. Funny. I wasn't blocked. Just had to check a box saying I was old enough to watch it.

[Dennis Moritz]

I don't know. Ken you tell me how to reach out to folks who refuse to look at the obvious staring them in the face. Time and time again same brick wall. Insults? Blow to the head. What else are we to do? Check out the depositions and testimony in the current liable case. Fox "News" (what a lie) was forced to testify truthfully about their response to Trump's hideously destructive denial of the election in 2000. FOX knew from the get go that Trump lost. Fox knew the election was on the up and up. Their emails and messages make that clear. Even Murdoch says Trump's response was a Big Lie. He just testified to that in court, where, if you lie you risk jail time. Tucker. What a crock. He damn well knew the Big Lie was the BIG LIE. Read his emails and messages. Note his court testimony in court.  Where, unlike his daily propaganda broadcasts pulled from his excreting orifices, you earn jail time for lies. The man would accumulate a life sentence, if his testimony resembled almost any week of his evil fabulations.

[Bill Morell]

I don't know. Ken you tell me how to reach out to folks who refuse to look at the obvious staring them in the face. Time and time again same brick wall. Insults? Blow to the head. What else are we to do? Check out the depositions and testimony in the current liable case. Fox "News" (what a lie) was forced to







 testify truthfully about their response to Trump's hideously destructive denial of the election in 2000. FOX knew from the get go that Trump lost. Fox knew the election was on the up and up. Their emails and messages make that clear. Even Murdoch says Trump's response was a Big Lie. He just testified to that in court, where, if you lie you risk jail time. Tucker. What a crock. He damn well knew the Big Lie was the BIG LIE. Read his emails and messages. Note his court testimony in court.  Where, unlike his daily propaganda broadcasts



pulled from his excreting orifices, you earn jail time for lies. The man would accumulate a life sentence, if his testimony resembled almost any week of his evil fabulations.

I feel really sorry for you Dennis.  Going through life with so much hate must be hard on the people in your family.

[Mike Griffin]

Moritz, you're an idiot.

I wish I could take credit for the following quote but I can't.  It is attributed to Mark Twain.

"Never argue with an idiot.  They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." 

Mike

[Donald R Olson]

I thought this was Stunt Hangers policy

From the very beginning, the Mission Statement of this site was expressed as a NON POLITICAL site for C/L airplanes.

This has slowly lost its meaning, apparently.  If found, all posts expressing political views will be immediately deleted.  This pertains to governmental politics, stunt politics, etc..

There are plenty of available sites to express political views, this isn't one. Take it elsewhere.

[Bill Morell]

I thought this was Stunt Hangers policy

From the very beginning, the Mission Statement of this site was expressed as a NON POLITICAL site for C/L airplanes.

This has slowly lost its meaning, apparently.  If found, all posts expressing political views will be immediately deleted.  This pertains to governmental politics, stunt politics, etc..

There are plenty of available sites to express political views, this isn't one. Take it elsewhere.

The owner of this forum started this thread and since he owns it I do believe he can post whatever he wants. The recommendations that you have suggested apply to you as well.

[Ken Culbertson]

I thought this was Stunt Hangers policy

From the very beginning, the Mission Statement of this site was expressed as a NON POLITICAL site for C/L airplanes.

This has slowly lost its meaning, apparently.  If found, all posts expressing political views will be immediately deleted.  This pertains to governmental politics, stunt politics, etc..

There are plenty of available sites to express political views, this isn't one. Take it elsewhere.

I agree with you and we do have a forum where this thread would be acceptable but when the owner of the site opens a thread in a particular forum I respect that.  It also seems that the most critical comments seem to come from those who do not support the site financially.

Ken