I don't buy it.
True Ukraine has a turbulent past, what "Recent" country doesn't?
Ukraine is far more unified now than shown in those videos. It's not without its faults and I wouldn't want to live there (Pre Russian invasion). But I can't believe you are suggesting Putin's course of action was in anyway justified.
TTFN
John.
Where does it say my mind? It says make up your mind. They have been fighting over there for hundreds of years.
Where does it say my mind? It says make up your mind. They have been fighting over there for hundreds of years.
I don't know about you, but I am tired of protecting everybody's else's border, but not our own! D>K
Agreed. That is not an either/or choice. We could do a lot better on border security without affecting our support of Ukraine. Neither party in the USA seems to have any real interest in doing anything about it. Obama and Biden obviously want people streaming across the border, and Trump gave it lip service but not much was done about it.
But you have to look down the road 10-15-20 years - would you rather deal with the Russians now, or once they have taken over most of Europe (probably as far as the French border)? Because, for pretty obvious reasons, they are back. And you sure as hell can't count on the Europeans stopping them, as recently as a year and a half ago, they were trying to do deals with them for cheap oil and gas and tried to keep doing it even once the invasion started. They will sell out hard the first time it looks like they can get away with it. Just my opinion, of course, but I think we are better off dealing with them now.
Brett
Agreed. That is not an either/or choice. We could do a lot better on border security without affecting our support of Ukraine. Neither party in the USA seems to have any real interest in doing anything about it. Obama and Biden obviously want people streaming across the border, and Trump gave it lip service but not much was done about it.
But you have to look down the road 10-15-20 years - would you rather deal with the Russians now, or once they have taken over most of Europe (probably as far as the French border)? Because, for pretty obvious reasons, they are back. And you sure as hell can't count on the Europeans stopping them, as recently as a year and a half ago, they were trying to do deals with them for cheap oil and gas and tried to keep doing it even once the invasion started. They will sell out hard the first time it looks like they can get away with it. Just my opinion, of course, but I think we are better off dealing with them now.
Apparently, it is either/or to Biden, because hr refuses to do anything to protect our borders. Does anyone trust Biden to run WWIII, because that is where we are headed. People close to Putin are saying "It is not worth living in a world without Russia"
Brett
Agreed. That is not an either/or choice. We could do a lot better on border security without affecting our support of Ukraine. Neither party in the USA seems to have any real interest in doing anything about it. Obama and Biden obviously want people streaming across the border, and Trump gave it lip service but not much was done about it.
But you have to look down the road 10-15-20 years - would you rather deal with the Russians now, or once they have taken over most of Europe (probably as far as the French border)? Because, for pretty obvious reasons, they are back. And you sure as hell can't count on the Europeans stopping them, as recently as a year and a half ago, they were trying to do deals with them for cheap oil and gas and tried to keep doing it even once the invasion started. They will sell out hard the first time it looks like they can get away with it. Just my opinion, of course, but I think we are better off dealing with them now.
Brett
Worth a damn lot. I agree with Brett. This unusual exceptional day. Guess he'll change his mind. Now. Perhaps. A few more on this forum will understand the chaos and deadly confusion spread by a most insidious and relentless agent of the former USSR. King Orange.
Reality is just a vague and fungible notion to people like you, I guess.
Brett
And sadly, to many others.
Trump does what he can to ferment confusion and chaos in the USA. Still putting lie out there about the election results. Even everyone on FOX admits they knew better right away. They had to fess up when deposed. But perpetuated the lie at full blast in their broadcasts. An elaborate trail of Fox emails and messages evidence their bold faced lies. Daily Trump lies undermine out basic institutions and ability dialogue honestly. Mueller report made clear connections between Trump and the Russian propaganda machines. Did not indite because he was a sitting president who could not prove his innocence in court. Eric says they've plenty of Russian money. Whatever. Trump's effect on the USA, undermining the USA is clear enough. And yes. I've seen Russian media tout their agent Trump. The USA depends on government institutions that are separate and counter check each other. Let him stand trial where statements are evaluated as true or not true. Perjury is outed and punished. Otherwise he spouts destructive blah blah that people find it convenient to believe.Please, for the sake of all of us - get help! Contrary to popular belief, TDS can be cured.
Please, for the sake of all of us - get help! Contrary to popular belief, TDS can be cured.
Ken
Ahh Ken and all. Read the Fox emails. "I passionately hate the man." Tucker. lololo. Fox and friends, Trump and non friends, lies and lies. Lies to you and yours that you believe. Even when they tell you they're full of it, you're too invested (stupid and stubborn) to admit your stupid stubborn blindness to the obvious. Run the man again. Even if he campaigns from jail. So what. You're done. Or move to the smart man's country, Putinville, where you old guys would have been dead, on the average, at 60.I am not blind to anything. Results are all that matters to me in a President. In 2020 we traded one that gave us results for one that doesn't. Simple as that, and all the insults you can hurl, which is all you seem to be able to do, will not change that simple fact.
Biden is best President since Truman.LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ ??? LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
There is hope. Try Invermectin, used for Covid-19 treatment, research has indicated that it is an effective treatment for TDS. There are side effects. Apparently patients experience a sudden desire to get down on their hands and knees and eat grass.
You can never have a sensible conversation with these people. It's not just a matter of differing political views - I have no problem with those. It's that "reality" means something different to them that it has for the majority of human civilization.
Brett
Perhaps someone can interpret the movies at the head of this thread. Putin quoted at length, given central pivot of the narrative. His truth? George Soros and Hillary brainwashed Ukraine. Which is why Ukraine is resisting an invasion of their sovereign nation? Inside the brain of Oliver Stone. No thank you. Putin,the man who stacked up his military forces on the border of Ukraine, saying no no no, he would not invade. Then he did. His truth? His word? According to Putin Ukraine was brainwashed into resisting his military. Is that the message? Ahh. Right. Inside the brain of Oliver Stone. Head spinning. Putin's military in a shambles. All those abandoned tanks. All those dead Russians. Conscripted, barely trained. Beaten back by a country one third its size. Been a year. Guess Oliver believes Putin, thinks he's a genius truth teller. Same as Trump.y1 y1 ??? LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
I don't know. Ken you tell me how to reach out to folks who refuse to look at the obvious staring them in the face. Time and time again same brick wall. Insults? Blow to the head. What else are we to do? Check out the depositions and testimony in the current liable case. Fox "News" (what a lie) was forced toI feel really sorry for you Dennis. Going through life with so much hate must be hard on the people in your family.
testify truthfully about their response to Trump's hideously destructive denial of the election in 2000. FOX knew from the get go that Trump lost. Fox knew the election was on the up and up. Their emails and messages make that clear. Even Murdoch says Trump's response was a Big Lie. He just testified to that in court, where, if you lie you risk jail time. Tucker. What a crock. He damn well knew the Big Lie was the BIG LIE. Read his emails and messages. Note his court testimony in court. Where, unlike his daily propaganda broadcasts
pulled from his excreting orifices, you earn jail time for lies. The man would accumulate a life sentence, if his testimony resembled almost any week of his evil fabulations.
Moritz, you're an idiot.
I thought this was Stunt Hangers policy
From the very beginning, the Mission Statement of this site was expressed as a NON POLITICAL site for C/L airplanes.
This has slowly lost its meaning, apparently. If found, all posts expressing political views will be immediately deleted. This pertains to governmental politics, stunt politics, etc..
There are plenty of available sites to express political views, this isn't one. Take it elsewhere.
I thought this was Stunt Hangers policyI agree with you and we do have a forum where this thread would be acceptable but when the owner of the site opens a thread in a particular forum I respect that. It also seems that the most critical comments seem to come from those who do not support the site financially.
From the very beginning, the Mission Statement of this site was expressed as a NON POLITICAL site for C/L airplanes.
This has slowly lost its meaning, apparently. If found, all posts expressing political views will be immediately deleted. This pertains to governmental politics, stunt politics, etc..
There are plenty of available sites to express political views, this isn't one. Take it elsewhere.
The owner of this forum started this thread and since he owns it I do believe he can post whatever he wants. The recommendations that you have suggested apply to you as well.
He's quoting from here. https://stunthanger.com/smf/paint-and-finishing/political-comments-warning/
But that ship sailed years ago...lol
Hey Dwayne..I bet you could launch your own forum that would be run so much better.
Give it a try..!
Put your money where your mouth is...!!! LL~
I think you misunderstood , just pointing out where his source came from, wouldn't be here if I had a problem with it.
I don't know. Ken you tell me how to reach out to folks who refuse to look at the obvious staring them in the face. Time and time again same brick wall. Insults? Blow to the head. What else are we to do? Check out the depositions and testimony in the current liable case. Fox "News" (what a lie) was forced to testify truthfully about their response to Trump's hideously destructive denial of the election in 2000. FOX knew from the get go that Trump lost. Fox knew the election was on the up and up. Their emails and messages make that clear. Even Murdoch says Trump's response was a Big Lie. He just testified to that in court, where, if you lie you risk jail time. Tucker. What a crock. He damn well knew the Big Lie was the BIG LIE. Read his emails and messages. Note his court testimony in court. Where, unlike his daily propaganda broadcasts pulled from his excreting orifices, you earn jail time for lies. The man would accumulate a life sentence, if his testimony resembled almost any week of his evil fabulations.