Author Topic: Warbird Stunt (Read 14374 times)

Tom Niebuhr · « **on:** March 11, 2013, 06:58:44 AM »

I posted this in the F9F thread, but it deserves a separate topic:

There is a Warbird Stunt event in Baton Rouge that looks interesting. It is for profiles or full bodied airplanes. From what I understand, no size restriction on engine/motor. No appearance points. But I might be wrong. The key thing is that it must be a model of a Warbird. This will be the second year warbird Stunt will be held.

This is meant to be a fun stunt event with some realism added. There are many great airplanes already available and I know of several Hutchinson profiles that are already available. Wait until people see Dave Ek's new profile T-34, designed by Hutch!

This event could spread very fast!

Jim Oliver · « **Reply #1 on:** March 11, 2013, 09:09:28 AM »

Hi Tom,
Thanks for your comments about the Warbird Stunt event.

We held the first (to my knowledge) Warbird Stunt Class at our Central Alabama Stunt Squadron contest several years ago. The objective is to honor the men and women that designed, built and most importantly, flew the planes that helped preserve our liberty.

The rules are simple, in an effort to attract entries. Profile and built up models compete equally, until there is enough interest to have separate classes. All entries must be models of actual military warbirds with appropriate mission colors (no civil airshow/raceplane color schemes). No Noblers (or other non-military models) with military color schemes

. (US warbirds are favored, but others are allowed.)

This is not a scale event, but the model must be recognizable to the CD as whatever the flyer says it is.

We are considering awarding appearance points for the Warbird Stunt Class and the Expert PA Class at our 2013 contest, which will probably be held on the first weekend in October. Some feedback/input would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Jim

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #2 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:13:05 AM »

Jim,
Thanks for the inputs.

I think that I would open it up a little to paint schemes for airshow airplanes. Many have been flown as with the Blue Angles, Thunderbirds, and Snow Birds in airshows and also aerobatic displays by privately owned airplanes by people like Big Ed Mahler (AT-6), Bob Hoover (P-51), Charlie Hilliard (Bearcat),and many performers with Stearmans. I would not include the highly modified Racing planes.

I agree that a Nobler with "NAVY" plastered on it is not a Warbird.

With the Alabama and Baton Rouge contests perhaps more interest can be stirred up. Bill Werwage, Sparky, and Bob Mcdonald, campaigned beautiful P-47s. And Keith Trostle's "Warhawk" must be included.

Hopefully at minimum this will help have a return to more realistic stunters.

I hope that people can add pictures to this post

proparc · « **Reply #3 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:15:24 AM »

Tom,

Stunt needs events. The "25" "Warbirds" "N30" "Classic" "Profile"are all good things for the sport. This is one of the reasons why RC is so big. There is something for everybody. Granted there is only so much you can do on lines but, we have to get creative if we want to see our event last. I think the 25 event may be the best of the bunch because of the low cost and simple rules.

Joseph Lijoi · « **Reply #4 on:** March 11, 2013, 10:44:12 AM »

Quote from: proparc on March 11, 2013, 10:15:24 AM

Tom,

Stunt needs events. The "25" "Warbirds" "N30" "Classic" "Profile"are all good things for the sport. This is one of the reasons why RC is so big. There is something for everybody. Granted there is only so much you can do on lines but, we have to get creative if we want to see our event last. I think the 25 event may be the best of the bunch because of the low cost and simple rules.

Events are good. I think we should try to include more events that are designed to get new flyers, not just builders and/or projects. Get more flyers and you will get more builders and some of these guys will build more warbirds.

A one design ARF class would be interesting. We could learn a lot from commercial track slot car guys as far as getting more people involved.

Don Hutchinson AMA5402 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:20:23 AM »

I am considering doing yet another warbird drawing if sufficient interest is shown, the Beech T-34 B&C, recip & turbo versions on one plan set. About 500 sq in area for 36 to 46 engines. Would also include the Navy paint scheme for the turbo version, nose # 826. Would post photo but the file is too big. How do I reduce byte count?
Don

RC Storick · « **Reply #6 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:22:30 AM »

Quote from: Don Hutchinson AMA5402 on March 11, 2013, 11:20:23 AM

I am considering doing yet another warbird drawing if sufficient interest is shown, the Beech T-34 B&C, recip & turbo versions on one plan set. About 500 sq in area for 36 to 46 engines. Would also include the Navy paint scheme for the turbo version, nose # 826. Would post photo but the file is too big. How do I reduce byte count?
Don

Send to me in email I will reduce it.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #7 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:35:55 AM »

Milton,
I also like the concept of .25 stunt, but certainly a .25 engine is eligible for Warbird Stunt, which adds the realism.

For all,
Wait until you see the T34 that Dave Ek built from Don's preliminary plan. Your mouth is guaranteed to drool! The proportion's are excellent. This might the best yet from Don, if that is possible.

Jim Oliver · « **Reply #8 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:43:25 AM »

Tom,
About the color schemes, military display colors (USAF T'birds, US Navy Blue Angels, Canadian Snow Birds, etc.) are "legal", as are such scemes as the US Navy "Beetle Bomb". There are even yellow P51Ds that served as target tugs which are legal.

Lots of ANG color schemes that can be used. Also lots of actual military schemes for planes for a special mission; hurricane hunter, recon, rescue. etc.

Just no "civil" (civilian) airshow/race plane colors......

Jim

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #9 on:** March 11, 2013, 12:39:11 PM »

This question is probably silly cause Its not really a "warbird", but what about trainers in this competition? I am thinking specifically of the awesome Hutchinson PT-17.

Don Hutchinson AMA5402 · « **Reply #10 on:** March 11, 2013, 01:24:21 PM »

I don't know about awesome but the Stearman is for sure a real warbird. The J-3 Cub in yellow paint is also a real warbird, many WWII pilots got their first hours in one. Check out this video. vimeo.com/56564610
Don

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #11 on:** March 11, 2013, 01:43:27 PM »

I know they were used to train WWII pilots, but I just always think of a "warbird" as a plane that was used in actual fighting. I guess thats wrong thinking here. And when I said awesome I actually meant "FRIGGIN AWESOME"!!

Hoss Cain · « **Reply #12 on:** March 11, 2013, 02:31:13 PM »

Quote from: Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach on March 11, 2013, 01:43:27 PM

I know they were used to train WWII pilots, but I just always think of a "warbird" as a plane that was used in actual fighting. I guess thats wrong thinking here. And when I said awesome I actually meant "FRIGGIN AWESOME"!!

The J-3 Cub better known as YO-59/L-4 thru 6 various models ending in L-4J was a J-3 Cub in most all respects. There is a very good article concerning their use in the WarBird Digest #47 March-April 2013. Shooting down a german aircraft using .45 pistols through strapping Bazookas on the wing struts. A Major ("Bazooka Charlie") Carpenter used 6 bazookas on his Cub and scored on a "....number of German Tanks and other vehicles." That should be honor for a WarBird. HA! Pilots were frequently deep behind lines over enemy territory both Europe and Pacific.
IMO if you are a warbird personality like me, then I suggest you look into this magazine. www.warbirddigest.com
or 1- 800-428-4384

Now that problem of a Cub's near Clark Y airfoil vice the stunter's symetrical is between Niebhur and yourself.

Bill Little · « **Reply #13 on:** March 11, 2013, 02:34:32 PM »

I love the idea of a Warbird Stunt event. I like "Warbirds" best of all for stunt planes.

BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM

Jim Oliver · « **Reply #14 on:** March 11, 2013, 03:18:27 PM »

I would consider military trainer airplanes to be "legal" for our event, in proper military colors/markings.

Jim

proparc · « **Reply #15 on:** March 11, 2013, 05:06:25 PM »

Windy Urtnowski would tear this event up with the stuff he's got. B25' twins, Tigercat twins,Spitfires,Typhoons etc.

Clint Ormosen · « **Reply #16 on:** March 11, 2013, 11:12:20 PM »

Warbird stunt. Awesome! Now I'm wishing I'd thought of that before writing the rules for Stunt 25. It would've been the Stunt 25 Warbirds event!

Howard Rush · « **Reply #17 on:** March 12, 2013, 02:23:03 AM »

Quote from: Jim Oliver on March 11, 2013, 09:09:28 AM

We are considering awarding appearance points for the Warbird Stunt Class and the Expert PA Class at our 2013 contest, which will probably be held on the first weekend in October. Some feedback/input would be appreciated.

It is a cheap way to add a little spectator appeal and attract some competition.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #18 on:** March 12, 2013, 08:39:49 AM »

Quote from: Clint Ormosen on March 11, 2013, 11:12:20 PM

Warbird stunt. Awesome! Now I'm wishing I'd thought of that before writing the rules for Stunt 25. It would've been the Stunt 25 Warbirds event!

You could add second event for next year.

dale gleason · « **Reply #19 on:** March 12, 2013, 09:07:27 AM »

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Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #20 on:** March 12, 2013, 10:08:08 AM »

We need to show some Warbird pictures. Here is Don Hutchinson with his incredible F86.

proparc · « **Reply #21 on:** March 12, 2013, 10:56:23 AM »

Quote from: Jim Oliver on March 11, 2013, 03:18:27 PM

I would consider military trainer airplanes to be "legal" for our event, in proper military colors/markings.

Jim

The Cessna "Birddog" L-19 was an important plane. The AT-6 was of course important. Fairchild PT-19 was important. The Vultee Valiant BT-13 was important. All of them were trainers but, were critical to the war effort.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #22 on:** March 12, 2013, 12:27:44 PM »

Here is Dave Ek's (L) beautiful T-34, designed by Don Hutchinson (R). Picture was taken at last week's Dallas (DMAA) meeting by Linda Gleason

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #23 on:** March 12, 2013, 03:27:43 PM »

Here is Dave Ek's F9F profile. Enlarge some and a better airfoil will make a good profile stunter

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #24 on:** March 12, 2013, 03:30:36 PM »

And Will Hinton's F9F Panther:

Larry Fernandez · « **Reply #25 on:** March 12, 2013, 03:45:43 PM »

Warbirds are the best!!
I would jump into this event with both feet.
My only problem would be deciding what to build. A Still Stuka, A Hemstrought PT-19, maybe a Parrot P-40. How bout a Warburton Tony or Sig Chipmunk, Then there is Vic Macaluso's F-8 Crusader. And these are just the classics. There are a whole lot of modern type of Warbirds waiting to be built as well.

I love the Idea and would love to see this event take hold.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

Clint Ormosen · « **Reply #26 on:** March 12, 2013, 06:40:38 PM »

Quote from: Larry Fernandez on March 12, 2013, 03:45:43 PM

I love the Idea and would love to see this event take hold.

Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team

Noted. Keep an eye out next year.

dale gleason · « **Reply #27 on:** March 12, 2013, 08:53:04 PM »

I don't wish to torpedo this thread, but, if one looks into the showcase in the picture where Col. Ek is holding the Panther jet, you can see a picture of Mike Darnell's Grandfather in his Airline Captain's cap. (Mike owns the Hobby Shop where we meet) That picture of Mike's Grandfather, Gordon, was featured on boxes of Wheaties, the "Breakfast of Champions" as a tribute to his landing a crippled airliner safely in a cornfield somewhere, back in the 'thirties, all got out safely.

"What sparks a champion, sparks you....."

now back to regular programming....
dg

Don Hutchinson AMA5402 · « **Reply #28 on:** March 13, 2013, 08:34:16 PM »

Is anybody interested in getting plan sets for the T-34 B or C versions? I would consider doing Warbird plan #15 if could count on sales of at least a dozen. Here is a shot of the "C" Turbo prop version which I will show as the paint scheme on the drawing.
p.s. The lovely young pilot is my granddaughter following her first solo flight.
Don

wwwarbird · « **Reply #29 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:17:33 PM »

Um, how about this?

MarcusCordeiro · « **Reply #30 on:** March 14, 2013, 04:33:46 PM »

This is a very cool thread

Marcus

EddyR · « **Reply #31 on:** March 14, 2013, 05:20:36 PM »

If I can make it I will bring this warbird.
Ed

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #32 on:** March 14, 2013, 05:27:31 PM »

wwwarbird....that is just flat out cool! I remember watching you build her here on the forum and was amazed. Wished I could see her fly.

Steve Helmick · « **Reply #33 on:** March 14, 2013, 05:53:30 PM »

Out of curiosity, what is the definition being used for "warbird"? Apparently not WWII, because the Panther and T-34 were too late for that one. FWIW, we don't have enough circles or people to run a Warbird event without dropping something else, and I'm pretty sure we don't want to do that. More event proliferation may not be a good thing.

Steve

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #34 on:** March 14, 2013, 06:18:30 PM »

There's only one thing that is missing to build the hobby back to its former glory.......cheerleaders!

john e. holliday · « **Reply #35 on:** March 15, 2013, 08:40:58 AM »

One way to cut down on the number of circles and still give away a ton of dust collectors, is to combine several events into one circle. Th entrant is allowed to name what event he is flying in that circle. I too would like to know which war are we going to replicate these planes from. I have plans of a WW I biplane that I got many years ago before I was a teenager that was a biplane for stunt. I hope I remember the name right, it was the RE-8.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #36 on:** March 15, 2013, 09:59:37 AM »

I would say any war.

Avaiojet · « **Reply #37 on:** March 15, 2013, 10:08:29 AM »

A semi-scale Warbird stunt model would qualify for this event. Correct?

Other than true scale, all of these Warbird stunt models ARE semi-scale?

Charles

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #38 on:** March 15, 2013, 10:21:34 AM »

I think its as long as they are recognizable as a certain warbird.

Avaiojet · « **Reply #39 on:** March 15, 2013, 10:47:18 AM »

Quote from: Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach on March 15, 2013, 10:21:34 AM

I think its as long as they are recognizable as a certain warbird.

Glenn,

You're so clever, that's probably all it takes.

Charles

Steve Kocher · « **Reply #40 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:08:03 AM »

Quote from: Don Hutchinson AMA5402 on March 13, 2013, 08:34:16 PM

Is anybody interested in getting plan sets for the T-34 B or C versions? I would consider doing Warbird plan #15 if could count on sales of at least a dozen. Here is a shot of the "C" Turbo prop version which I will show as the paint scheme on the drawing.
p.s. The lovely young pilot is my granddaughter following her first solo flight.
Don

Don,

Of course you can count me in. I'll buy one of anything you draw!

Steve.

EddyR · « **Reply #41 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:14:06 AM »

When is this contest
Ed

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #42 on:** March 15, 2013, 11:48:08 AM »

Two contests that we know of. Both in October. Baton Rouge and Alabama. There might be more since this thread seems to be sirring some interest.

Bill Hummel · « **Reply #43 on:** March 15, 2013, 12:23:47 PM »

Is anybody interested in getting plan sets for the T-34 B or C versions? I would consider doing Warbird plan #15 if could count on sales of at least a dozen. Here is a shot of the "C" Turbo prop version which I will show as the paint scheme on the drawing.
p.s. The lovely young pilot is my granddaughter following her first solo flight.
Don

Hi, Don, I'm "in".

Bill Hummel

EddyR · « **Reply #44 on:** March 15, 2013, 12:51:28 PM »

October 18-20 is also Huntersville NC. They have had that date for many years?

Ed

Avaiojet · « **Reply #45 on:** March 15, 2013, 02:06:41 PM »

Quote from: Bill Hummel on March 15, 2013, 12:23:47 PM

Is anybody interested in getting plan sets for the T-34 B or C versions? I would consider doing Warbird plan #15 if could count on sales of at least a dozen. Here is a shot of the "C" Turbo prop version which I will show as the paint scheme on the drawing.
p.s. The lovely young pilot is my granddaughter following her first solo flight.
Don

Hi, Don, I'm "in".Bill Hummel

Bill,

If it helps you out, I could put a special graphics set together. I already do similar models. Here's an example. Sizing isn't an issue.

Charles

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #46 on:** March 15, 2013, 03:44:57 PM »

Hey Charles, I'm still going to get you to do a set for my Spitfire when it comes time for it.

Glenn (Gravitywell) Reach · « **Reply #47 on:** March 15, 2013, 03:46:42 PM »

A competition I have been thinking of for some real fun is "Speed Stunt". Same stunt pattern but done as fast as possible. Now combine that with Warbird Stunt....oh yeah baby! Spectator sport....for sure!!

Don Hutchinson AMA5402 · « **Reply #48 on:** March 15, 2013, 03:56:43 PM »

There will be a T-34 drawing set. I sent off to Bob Banka for my source drawings yesterday. As for what defines a "Warbird", were I the CD, it would be any close to scale airplane from any era used to train or equip military pilots, full fuse or profile. As for the Stock J-3 Cub, read the 4th para. of the Wikipedia Piper J-3 Cub prewar section. Definitely a warbird to me.
I really like that fabuluos PBY Wayne, bring it down to Baton Rouge!

wwwarbird · « **Reply #49 on:** March 15, 2013, 09:16:28 PM »

Quote from: Tom Niebuhr on March 15, 2013, 09:59:37 AM

I would say any war.

I would certainly agree with that, and at the very least.

With the interest of gaining the most possible entrys at any given contest, it should all be kept as simple as possible. I'd suggest any aircraft that can be provided with actual military documentation, from any era, in any theater. This can include trainers, cargo planes, whatever. Also, don't put a lot of weight in actual scale accuracy, just require the model to be easily recognizable as what it's claimed to be. An example could be something like a kit-bashed Twister wing based model of a Cessna "Skymaster" from the Vietnam War. It would be good to go, as long as it's documented and the model to be entered is finished in reasonably accurate colors and military markings.