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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Tom Niebuhr on March 11, 2013, 06:58:44 AM
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I posted this in the F9F thread, but it deserves a separate topic:
There is a Warbird Stunt event in Baton Rouge that looks interesting. It is for profiles or full bodied airplanes. From what I understand, no size restriction on engine/motor. No appearance points. But I might be wrong. The key thing is that it must be a model of a Warbird. This will be the second year warbird Stunt will be held.
This is meant to be a fun stunt event with some realism added. There are many great airplanes already available and I know of several Hutchinson profiles that are already available. Wait until people see Dave Ek's new profile T-34, designed by Hutch!
This event could spread very fast!
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Hi Tom,
Thanks for your comments about the Warbird Stunt event.
We held the first (to my knowledge) Warbird Stunt Class at our Central Alabama Stunt Squadron contest several years ago. The objective is to honor the men and women that designed, built and most importantly, flew the planes that helped preserve our liberty.
The rules are simple, in an effort to attract entries. Profile and built up models compete equally, until there is enough interest to have separate classes. All entries must be models of actual military warbirds with appropriate mission colors (no civil airshow/raceplane color schemes). No Noblers (or other non-military models) with military color schemes ;D. (US warbirds are favored, but others are allowed.)
This is not a scale event, but the model must be recognizable to the CD as whatever the flyer says it is.
We are considering awarding appearance points for the Warbird Stunt Class and the Expert PA Class at our 2013 contest, which will probably be held on the first weekend in October. Some feedback/input would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Jim
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Jim,
Thanks for the inputs.
I think that I would open it up a little to paint schemes for airshow airplanes. Many have been flown as with the Blue Angles, Thunderbirds, and Snow Birds in airshows and also aerobatic displays by privately owned airplanes by people like Big Ed Mahler (AT-6), Bob Hoover (P-51), Charlie Hilliard (Bearcat),and many performers with Stearmans. I would not include the highly modified Racing planes.
I agree that a Nobler with "NAVY" plastered on it is not a Warbird.
With the Alabama and Baton Rouge contests perhaps more interest can be stirred up. Bill Werwage, Sparky, and Bob Mcdonald, campaigned beautiful P-47s. And Keith Trostle's "Warhawk" must be included.
Hopefully at minimum this will help have a return to more realistic stunters.
I hope that people can add pictures to this post
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Tom,
Stunt needs events. The "25" "Warbirds" "N30" "Classic" "Profile"are all good things for the sport. This is one of the reasons why RC is so big. There is something for everybody. Granted there is only so much you can do on lines but, we have to get creative if we want to see our event last. I think the 25 event may be the best of the bunch because of the low cost and simple rules.
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Tom,
Stunt needs events. The "25" "Warbirds" "N30" "Classic" "Profile"are all good things for the sport. This is one of the reasons why RC is so big. There is something for everybody. Granted there is only so much you can do on lines but, we have to get creative if we want to see our event last. I think the 25 event may be the best of the bunch because of the low cost and simple rules.
Events are good. I think we should try to include more events that are designed to get new flyers, not just builders and/or projects. Get more flyers and you will get more builders and some of these guys will build more warbirds.
A one design ARF class would be interesting. We could learn a lot from commercial track slot car guys as far as getting more people involved.
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I am considering doing yet another warbird drawing if sufficient interest is shown, the Beech T-34 B&C, recip & turbo versions on one plan set. About 500 sq in area for 36 to 46 engines. Would also include the Navy paint scheme for the turbo version, nose # 826. Would post photo but the file is too big. How do I reduce byte count?
Don
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I am considering doing yet another warbird drawing if sufficient interest is shown, the Beech T-34 B&C, recip & turbo versions on one plan set. About 500 sq in area for 36 to 46 engines. Would also include the Navy paint scheme for the turbo version, nose # 826. Would post photo but the file is too big. How do I reduce byte count?
Don
Send to me in email I will reduce it.
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Milton,
I also like the concept of .25 stunt, but certainly a .25 engine is eligible for Warbird Stunt, which adds the realism.
For all,
Wait until you see the T34 that Dave Ek built from Don's preliminary plan. Your mouth is guaranteed to drool! The proportion's are excellent. This might the best yet from Don, if that is possible.
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Tom,
About the color schemes, military display colors (USAF T'birds, US Navy Blue Angels, Canadian Snow Birds, etc.) are "legal", as are such scemes as the US Navy "Beetle Bomb". There are even yellow P51Ds that served as target tugs which are legal.
Lots of ANG color schemes that can be used. Also lots of actual military schemes for planes for a special mission; hurricane hunter, recon, rescue. etc.
Just no "civil" (civilian) airshow/race plane colors......
Jim
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This question is probably silly cause Its not really a "warbird", but what about trainers in this competition? I am thinking specifically of the awesome Hutchinson PT-17.
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I don't know about awesome but the Stearman is for sure a real warbird. The J-3 Cub in yellow paint is also a real warbird, many WWII pilots got their first hours in one. Check out this video. vimeo.com/56564610
Don
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I know they were used to train WWII pilots, but I just always think of a "warbird" as a plane that was used in actual fighting. I guess thats wrong thinking here. And when I said awesome I actually meant "FRIGGIN AWESOME"!! H^^
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I know they were used to train WWII pilots, but I just always think of a "warbird" as a plane that was used in actual fighting. I guess thats wrong thinking here. And when I said awesome I actually meant "FRIGGIN AWESOME"!! H^^
The J-3 Cub better known as YO-59/L-4 thru 6 various models ending in L-4J was a J-3 Cub in most all respects. There is a very good article concerning their use in the WarBird Digest #47 March-April 2013. Shooting down a german aircraft using .45 pistols through strapping Bazookas on the wing struts. A Major ("Bazooka Charlie") Carpenter used 6 bazookas on his Cub and scored on a "....number of German Tanks and other vehicles." That should be honor for a WarBird. HA! Pilots were frequently deep behind lines over enemy territory both Europe and Pacific.
IMO if you are a warbird personality like me, then I suggest you look into this magazine. www.warbirddigest.com
or 1- 800-428-4384
Now that problem of a Cub's near Clark Y airfoil vice the stunter's symetrical is between Niebhur and yourself. y1
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I love the idea of a Warbird Stunt event. I like "Warbirds" best of all for stunt planes.
BIG Bear
RNMM/AMM
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I would consider military trainer airplanes to be "legal" for our event, in proper military colors/markings.
Jim
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Windy Urtnowski would tear this event up with the stuff he's got. B25' twins, Tigercat twins,Spitfires,Typhoons etc.
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Warbird stunt. Awesome! Now I'm wishing I'd thought of that before writing the rules for Stunt 25. It would've been the Stunt 25 Warbirds event!
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We are considering awarding appearance points for the Warbird Stunt Class and the Expert PA Class at our 2013 contest, which will probably be held on the first weekend in October. Some feedback/input would be appreciated.
It is a cheap way to add a little spectator appeal and attract some competition.
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Warbird stunt. Awesome! Now I'm wishing I'd thought of that before writing the rules for Stunt 25. It would've been the Stunt 25 Warbirds event!
You could add second event for next year.
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For those who study history, and appreciate the "Greatest Generation", which is probably all of us, you might googl*
"Hartleetimesdotcom" and scroll down to Issue #5.
dale g
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We need to show some Warbird pictures. Here is Don Hutchinson with his incredible F86.
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I would consider military trainer airplanes to be "legal" for our event, in proper military colors/markings.
Jim
The Cessna "Birddog" L-19 was an important plane. The AT-6 was of course important. Fairchild PT-19 was important. The Vultee Valiant BT-13 was important. All of them were trainers but, were critical to the war effort.
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Here is Dave Ek's (L) beautiful T-34, designed by Don Hutchinson (R). Picture was taken at last week's Dallas (DMAA) meeting by Linda Gleason
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Here is Dave Ek's F9F profile. Enlarge some and a better airfoil will make a good profile stunter
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And Will Hinton's F9F Panther:
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Warbirds are the best!!
I would jump into this event with both feet.
My only problem would be deciding what to build. A Still Stuka, A Hemstrought PT-19, maybe a Parrot P-40. How bout a Warburton Tony or Sig Chipmunk, Then there is Vic Macaluso's F-8 Crusader. And these are just the classics. There are a whole lot of modern type of Warbirds waiting to be built as well.
I love the Idea and would love to see this event take hold.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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I love the Idea and would love to see this event take hold.
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
Noted. Keep an eye out next year.
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I don't wish to torpedo this thread, but, if one looks into the showcase in the picture where Col. Ek is holding the Panther jet, you can see a picture of Mike Darnell's Grandfather in his Airline Captain's cap. (Mike owns the Hobby Shop where we meet) That picture of Mike's Grandfather, Gordon, was featured on boxes of Wheaties, the "Breakfast of Champions" as a tribute to his landing a crippled airliner safely in a cornfield somewhere, back in the 'thirties, all got out safely.
"What sparks a champion, sparks you....."
now back to regular programming....
dg
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Is anybody interested in getting plan sets for the T-34 B or C versions? I would consider doing Warbird plan #15 if could count on sales of at least a dozen. Here is a shot of the "C" Turbo prop version which I will show as the paint scheme on the drawing.
p.s. The lovely young pilot is my granddaughter following her first solo flight.
Don
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Um, how about this? ;D
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This is a very cool thread H^^
Marcus
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If I can make it I will bring this warbird.
Ed
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wwwarbird....that is just flat out cool! I remember watching you build her here on the forum and was amazed. Wished I could see her fly. H^^
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Out of curiosity, what is the definition being used for "warbird"? Apparently not WWII, because the Panther and T-34 were too late for that one. FWIW, we don't have enough circles or people to run a Warbird event without dropping something else, and I'm pretty sure we don't want to do that. More event proliferation may not be a good thing. D>K Steve
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There's only one thing that is missing to build the hobby back to its former glory.......cheerleaders! H^^
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One way to cut down on the number of circles and still give away a ton of dust collectors, is to combine several events into one circle. Th entrant is allowed to name what event he is flying in that circle. I too would like to know which war are we going to replicate these planes from. I have plans of a WW I biplane that I got many years ago before I was a teenager that was a biplane for stunt. I hope I remember the name right, it was the RE-8.
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I would say any war.
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A semi-scale Warbird stunt model would qualify for this event. Correct?
Other than true scale, all of these Warbird stunt models ARE semi-scale?
Charles
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I think its as long as they are recognizable as a certain warbird. H^^
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I think its as long as they are recognizable as a certain warbird. H^^
Glenn,
You're so clever, that's probably all it takes.
Charles
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Is anybody interested in getting plan sets for the T-34 B or C versions? I would consider doing Warbird plan #15 if could count on sales of at least a dozen. Here is a shot of the "C" Turbo prop version which I will show as the paint scheme on the drawing.
p.s. The lovely young pilot is my granddaughter following her first solo flight.
Don
Don,
Of course you can count me in. I'll buy one of anything you draw!
Steve.
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When is this contest
Ed
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Two contests that we know of. Both in October. Baton Rouge and Alabama. There might be more since this thread seems to be sirring some interest.
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Is anybody interested in getting plan sets for the T-34 B or C versions? I would consider doing Warbird plan #15 if could count on sales of at least a dozen. Here is a shot of the "C" Turbo prop version which I will show as the paint scheme on the drawing.
p.s. The lovely young pilot is my granddaughter following her first solo flight.
Don
Hi, Don, I'm "in".
Bill Hummel
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October 18-20 is also Huntersville NC. They have had that date for many years? ~^
Ed
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Is anybody interested in getting plan sets for the T-34 B or C versions? I would consider doing Warbird plan #15 if could count on sales of at least a dozen. Here is a shot of the "C" Turbo prop version which I will show as the paint scheme on the drawing.
p.s. The lovely young pilot is my granddaughter following her first solo flight.
Don
Hi, Don, I'm "in".Bill Hummel
Bill,
If it helps you out, I could put a special graphics set together. I already do similar models. Here's an example. Sizing isn't an issue.
Charles
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Hey Charles, I'm still going to get you to do a set for my Spitfire when it comes time for it. y1 H^^
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A competition I have been thinking of for some real fun is "Speed Stunt". Same stunt pattern but done as fast as possible. Now combine that with Warbird Stunt....oh yeah baby! Spectator sport....for sure!! H^^
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There will be a T-34 drawing set. I sent off to Bob Banka for my source drawings yesterday. As for what defines a "Warbird", were I the CD, it would be any close to scale airplane from any era used to train or equip military pilots, full fuse or profile. As for the Stock J-3 Cub, read the 4th para. of the Wikipedia Piper J-3 Cub prewar section. Definitely a warbird to me.
I really like that fabuluos PBY Wayne, bring it down to Baton Rouge!
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I would say any war.
I would certainly agree with that, and at the very least.
With the interest of gaining the most possible entrys at any given contest, it should all be kept as simple as possible. I'd suggest any aircraft that can be provided with actual military documentation, from any era, in any theater. This can include trainers, cargo planes, whatever. Also, don't put a lot of weight in actual scale accuracy, just require the model to be easily recognizable as what it's claimed to be. An example could be something like a kit-bashed Twister wing based model of a Cessna "Skymaster" from the Vietnam War. It would be good to go, as long as it's documented and the model to be entered is finished in reasonably accurate colors and military markings.
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Humm baby
Ive got a brand new PT-19 just about ready to go. I'm in!!!
Larry, Buttafucco Stunt Team
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Awesome job on the '19 Larry, very cool. y1
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Sorry Don H., but another good source is the Pat Johnston series he did for the Texas gentlemen a few years ago. If I didn't have so many plans now I would have gotten his whole series. I think they were in Stunt News.
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Hutch
Ref T34 plan...Me Too
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I'm a little late responding, but the Baton Rouge bunch decided to add a war bird stunt event at last years Baton Rouge contest at the suggestion of Jim Oliver. We put the word out very early in the year about the added event and a few guys built planes for this event. We had a lot of entries for this event. People were really enthusiastic about this new event, so we will continue to have this event in the future. We basically used Jim O's rules to avoid any confusion, except we had appearance points. There was a lot of different type military birds entered: The late Great Mike Donavan's Sterling Spitfire in first place, Joe Gilbert's Hutchinson design T-6 in 2ND, Dale Gleason's Hutchinson design profile J-3 Cub in 3RD, Dee Rice's Don Still Stuka in 4TH, and Don Hutchinson's profile Dauntless in 5TH. I believe we started out calling this event "Military Stunt" so it would seemingly be more inclusive of all military aircraft whether they are trainers, fighters, bombers, transports, etc. Any paint scheme is allowed as long as it was on a military plane in military service. It could be as someone has said earlier A yellow target Tug, the Beatle Bomber Bearcat, "PINBALL P-63's, etc. We wanted to keep it strictly Military so as to honor all those people who gave of their time and lives to the defense of our country and our Allies.
Doug
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Oh. Warbird stunt. Let's see...
Here are some in my hangar. All are flying regularly.
Hurricane stunt RO JETT 61
Spitfire RO JETT 76 with retract gear.
A6M2 Zero RO JETT 76 with retract gear.
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Floyd,
WOW!
Really nice! I like the Spitfire!
What 3-blade prop are you using?
Charles
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Um, how about this? ;D
geesh,, I feel kinda left out,, I have pictures of my Gee Bee,, hmm not a warbird,,
I have no pictures of my P-40Q model,,
what ever can I do,, hmmm
well I guess there is that one bf109 thing hanging on the wall,,
oh wait, its not hanging in its spot anymore, where on earth can it be,,,,,,,
hmm oh wait, there it is on my bench, getting surgery done,,
now going electric, pictures to follow,,
( yeah Wayne, I know I know, you heard that before right?
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We've been doing Warbird combat at Brodak's Flying for several years. There is scale judging, with the score added to the flight points for each match.
Scoring is simple:
1)show with a 3-view or picture 10 pts.
Decoration
1) Some scale-like decorations for the period-- stars and bars, nose art,etc. 10 pts.
2) Reasonably scale appearing markings, not necessarily a particular plane, but squadron or air group. 25 pts.
3) Scale appearing markings closely following the supplied documentation 45pts.
Design and Outline
1) non-scale stunter 0 pts.
2) Some attempt at scale- canopy, outlines reminiscent of the documented plane 10pts.
3) Reasonably accurate outlines, although not exact(enlarged wing or stab, etc.)
4) Scale appearing outlines and shapes closely following the supplied documentation 45 pts
Judges select one score from each category. Minimum 10 pts. Maximum 100 pts. No inbetween scores. We tried using less restricted scoring but the judges ended up with about a 10 pt spread between a gussied up slow combat ship and reasonably scale, well-decorated plane.
phil c
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well I guess there is that one bf109 thing hanging on the wall,,
oh wait, its not hanging in its spot anymore, where on earth can it be,,,,,,,
hmm oh wait, there it is on my bench, getting surgery done,,
now going electric, pictures to follow,,
( yeah Wayne, I know I know, you heard that before right?
Very nice to hear Mark, but, but...e-electric? Really? Aw c'mon man, that ain't hardly right! If it's not too late just finish it up with the glowmotion and get'er in the air! y1
I do remember the P-40Q, that was a cool model.
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Now Wayne,,
reasons not valid for this thread,
at least this way it will fly,,
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Well, as I am a long ways from Mark and he will probably forget this statement by the time we meet again. I will not hold my breath til it is flying. %^@ %^@
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Well, as I am a long ways from Mark and he will probably forget this statement by the time we meet again. I will not hold my breath til it is flying. %^@ %^@
OUCH ,sheesh Doc,,
ok well there may be some validity to this,, this project has been shelved for several years,, but the electric conversion has reinstated it now,,
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Doug,
Thanks for getting in on this thread. I was hoping that we would have some Baton Rouge input. I had no idea that this would create so much interest. I just thought it was a neat idea, with absolutely no credit to me.
We can all thank Baton Rouge and the Central Alabama Stunt Squadron for their contributions and success. I hope that people don't complicate the simple concept.
With over 1200 hits in less than a week, it looks like not only is their interest, we might see more Warbirds / Military airplanes!
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Thanks Tom, but Jim Oliver and some of the D.5 fliers get the "kudos" for starting this event in the South. We are glad we added it to our contest and you Texas guys will certainly spice it up. We will keep it simple.
Doug