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SIG control line IS coming back!
« on: January 06, 2025, 02:41:02 PM »
I email Sig Mfg about every 6 months to ask when they plan to resume shipping CL balsa kits. Today, I received this response:

Hi Dave,

We are making the twister and shoestring by the end of the first quarter. Others will follow threw the year.

Thanks,

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #1 on: January 06, 2025, 03:04:02 PM »
Good to hear. I can't wait for the complaints on the price of them......
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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #2 on: January 06, 2025, 03:42:34 PM »
 
I email Sig Mfg about every 6 months to ask when they plan to resume shipping CL balsa kits. Today, I received this response:

Hi Dave,

We are making the twister and shoestring by the end of the first quarter. Others will follow threw the year.

Thanks,

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #3 on: January 06, 2025, 03:44:45 PM »
Oooooh…laser cut? Do we know?


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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2025, 04:03:21 PM »
I sure don't know but I understood they sold all the equipment in Iowa when they closed.   They probably will have to lazer cut it-likely have it done offshore l bet since the balsa operation is gone too.  Hope the best for them.

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2025, 06:55:10 PM »
This is good news if it turns out to be true.  I will definitely buy a kit to show them a little support.

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2025, 07:34:44 PM »
 If the rumor comes to fruition every organized C/L club in the country should blow a little dust off the "kitty" and order at least one each of both the Twister and Shoestring kits. And, don't be asking for a club discount. Once received they can raffle them off at their next meeting or club event.  y1
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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2025, 02:41:54 PM »
I already have a Twister framed up by the late & great Gary Letsinger...that I need to finish up and fly while I can still walk.  :! Steve
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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2025, 03:16:44 PM »
Was it from a kit or scratch built?

I already have a Twister framed up by the late & great Gary Letsinger...that I need to finish up and fly while I can still walk.  :! Steve
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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2025, 06:38:41 PM »
Kit, but VERY well built. No tail feathers yet.
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« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2025, 07:29:16 PM »
Good!

Kit, but VERY well built. No tail feathers yet.
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« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2025, 10:05:47 PM »
If they are laser cutting wouldn't it be easy to re-design the Twister knowing what is known about Fancherizing and who flys these things. Making the same old plane? Come on guys, get smart. Should make a Fancherized version of the full fuselage Tornado. I would buy a couple of them.

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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2025, 10:22:44 PM »
If they are laser cutting wouldn't it be easy to re-design the Twister knowing what is known about Francherizing and who flys these things. Making the same old plane? Come on guys, get smart. Should make a Francherized version of the full fuselage Tornado. I would buy a couple of them.

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2025, 12:13:51 AM »
*Fancherized*, his name Terry G. "Ted" Fancher.

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Indeed. A Renton, WA native boy, too.  y1 Steve
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« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2025, 12:18:29 AM »
If they are laser cutting wouldn't it be easy to re-design the Twister knowing what is known about Francherizing and who flys these things. Making the same old plane? Come on guys, get smart. Should make a Francherized version of the full fuselage Tornado. I would buy a couple of them.

MM :)

   Well first, they have to actually decide to make the kit. If you think back, they have said this a couple of times before, stating that they would be bringing kits out by a certain time and then nothing.  Redesigning means extra costs, and a bigger increase in the kit price. Brodak lists the Banshee at $117 (out of stock, or course) which is roughly the same construction and size as a Twister, and a redesign would put it at $150 to $175 maybe? Maybe $200 if the balsa situation does not improve?? And none of the modifications would do any good for someone that is just learning to build and fly. May I also point out that gentleman from Japan that posted the flight videos of his "White Twister" flying a fantastic pattern with it and when asked, he said the model was completely stock and powered by a Brodak .40, and even gave the control horn and bell crank set up lengths. That was one of the things that made the Twister so attractive, that is was low cost, and a simple airplane that was easy to build and finished out at lightweight. But first, as I said, we need to see the kits first and they have told us all this before. I'll believe it when we see them. The way that they are going about this restructuring, it's kind of like producing kits while living in the basement of your parents house!! Every move they make probably affects the other two businesses that are under the same roof.

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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2025, 02:00:01 AM »
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2025, 07:23:16 AM »
Didn't Duke Fox start out building engines on his kitchen table?

    He jobbed out many of the operations until he had his first house with a garage and used that. Even when he first teamed up with Dale Arnold, they both did their work in their respective garages. Then they acquired their first building once engines sales picked up in the late 1940's. That was the building on Varna St. that you see on the green Fox boxes.

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2025, 07:54:21 AM »
If the rumor comes to fruition every organized C/L club in the country should blow a little dust off the "kitty" and order at least one each of both the Twister and Shoestring kits. And, don't be asking for a club discount. Once received they can raffle them off at their next meeting or club event.  y1

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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2025, 10:41:58 AM »
Perhaps if SIG were a franchise, they could produce a fancherized Twister.  With a tip of the hat to Scientification: R U understanding?

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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2025, 10:53:28 AM »
   Well first, they have to actually decide to make the kit. If you think back, they have said this a couple of times before, stating that they would be bringing kits out by a certain time and then nothing.  Redesigning means extra costs, and a bigger increase in the kit price. Brodak lists the Banshee at $117 (out of stock, or course) which is roughly the same construction and size as a Twister, and a redesign would put it at $150 to $175 maybe? Maybe $200 if the balsa situation does not improve?? And none of the modifications would do any good for someone that is just learning to build and fly. May I also point out that gentleman from Japan that posted the flight videos of his "White Twister" flying a fantastic pattern with it and when asked, he said the model was completely stock and powered by a Brodak .40, and even gave the control horn and bell crank set up lengths. That was one of the things that made the Twister so attractive, that is was low cost, and a simple airplane that was easy to build and finished out at lightweight. But first, as I said, we need to see the kits first and they have told us all this before. I'll believe it when we see them. The way that they are going about this restructuring, it's kind of like producing kits while living in the basement of your parents house!! Every move they make probably affects the other two businesses that are under the same roof.

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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2025, 03:55:44 PM »
Take a look at Jay Smith's article in the January Model Aviation.

   I did!! And that is what I am basing my comments on. I think it's more about what he doesn't say. I mentioned his article in the other thread. He only had about 3 sentences to say about the visit, and given SIG's history and it's place in the history of the hobby industry, if he had any enthusiasm about what he saw, I think he would have had more to say. Rizzo has been saying the same basic thing for 4 years now and we've watched this move along at a snail's pace. It's got to all be depending on finances as far as how fast he can move forward and progress. One thing I keep in mind is the complaints from people here on Stunthangar about customer service issues, such as paying for an order and then never seeing their items and then no communications about afterward. There were as many complaints about SIG as there were about Okie Air and RSM's new owner for a while. They seemed to have improved some in that respect as people have gotten used to the situation and watch what they are are ordering. We need all the resources for supplies that we can get, and I will be glad if SIG manages to come back to help fill that need, but I have my doubts that they will be anything close to what they once were. If they do get on more firm ground, will they make good on back orders and such from the last 4 years, and either provide the products ordered or refund their money?? From what I see on their website, they have filled in some areas with stock but still have the words "SOLD OUT" on way too many sections to give me much confidence. As I search the site I keep in mind the items I used to buy and still would buy today, and it's more than just kits, and there are a lot of things missing or SOLD OUT.  To produce kits, you need balsa wood. They sold off that capability to cut their own, and now will have to source that on the open market. That WILL greatly affect their prices if they do manage to produce anything, and that doesn't include everything needed to produce a kit, from the box to everything else that is in it. They most likely will have to outsource that part of the process. At least they can produce their own plastic parts, I would think. You have to remember that SIG produced everything for their kits in house and that kept prices down, controlled quality, and available stocks up. Imagine having to start this process over from scratch and trying to bring all this together from several sources?  If you have any interruptions in any supply chain, things grind to a halt. It is kind of ironic that SIG started out with Glenn and Hazel cutting and selling wood in the basement of their home, and were once the worlds largest supplier of hobby woods of all kinds, and now can't provide any.

   On another SIG note, I got a message that Hazel has been moved from her home by SIG Field to an assisted living facility in Montezuma, and that there is an auction being held soon for the house and contents. I have not been able to find out if SIG Field is included in this. Think of all the fun and good times that have been held there over the years!!

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2025, 05:51:13 PM »
Thank you, Dan for the reality check.

My optimism for them to succeed comes from my not-joyous memories of starting a new business.  I want to support the new SIG for any products they can supply.  The hobby business is certainly at a historical tough spot now.  A challenge for them for sure.

I met Hazel once at a model expo years ago and she signed a catalog for me.  Nice lady for sure.  The story of SIG is fascinating and I like when Dan and others can provide tidbits of history.

As far as new SIG, I placed 3 orders in 2024 for items listed as in-stock and all were delivered quickly with no problems.

The catalogs that old SIG put out with the beautiful color photos of their models were nothing short of model airplane porn.  They supplied it all and it was a wonderful period in time.

Two points:

New SIG owns the rights to a whole line of wonderful models.  It would be nice if they become available again. 

My accumulated stash of SIG dope did not have white, and I had to consider compatibility of Brodak white and the possibility of a finish disaster.  Now they have white in stock, and I am set.  New SIG, I am guessing, has a specification sheet (recipe) they can send to a dope manufacturer (maybe Randolf) and produce a produce that is still SIG dope.  A product compatible with SIG dope, cuz it is SIG dope.  I have heard Brodak dope is "better".  Then again, I have 30-year-old SIG doped planes that haven't dried out and are still functional (silkspan and silk).  If new SIG can keep supplying dope compatible with old SIG dope, I want to be a customer.

I wish them only success.








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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2025, 08:54:52 PM »

My optimism for them to succeed comes from my not-joyous memories of starting a new business.  I want to support the new SIG for any products they can supply.  The hobby business is certainly at a historical tough spot now.  A challenge for them for sure.


I wish them only success.

   If you have been through the drill of starting and trying to build a business, then you understand what I'm trying to say. I have been involved in establishing and building up of three businesses in my working career, and all three were manufacturing businesses started from scratch. The deal with SIG really isn't much different, only they are starting with an establish name brand and somewhat of a product line. Imagine buying a business that has been successfully producing a line of products for over 50 years, then throw all of that away and start over!!  In my view that is essentially what they are doing. Add in the problems with the economy, supply chains, the pandemic, and a shrinking, changing market and you got yourself quite a chore ahead of you!!  I see some similarities with the great Planes takeover of Top Flite. All they really wanted was some product names and lines like Monokote, the Gold Seal R/C kits, and a few other tidbits and then they literally threw the rest away in the dumpster!!  From what I hear from people that were there, they pitched everything they were not interested in, including tooling and support stock. That allowed them to take that stuff off the books, and it was how George Aldrich got the rights to the Nobler and Flite Streak back so Brodak could change the name of their kits that they called Lightning Streak and then produced Georges Original Nobler kit. Brodak isn't too different from what SIG was in that they do a lot of their own stuff in house also to help control cost and quality. Brodak owned print shops and other business in the area that helped him out in that respect, I believe. If you liked those really nice catalogs that Hazel signed for you, SIG printed those also. They had some small presses and some bindery equipment to do all that themselves, and were familiar with it because that was what Glenn and Hazel did for a living before the hobby business came along. They had an old, 64" two color Heidelberg sheet fed press in the basement of one of the older buildings that they printed their plans on. Glenn and a couple of other employees were the only ones that knew how to tune it and tweak it, and once it was running right, they printed plans until they had what they needed for a long time plus any extra if they had paper left! They did their own plastic injection molding equipment for those kind of parts, vacu-formed their own canopies and cut their own foam wing cores, formed their own metal parts, filled their own bottles, cans and glue tubes in machines that Glenn built. They had their own machine shop and carpenter shop. It really was an amazing thing to see , but that is how people thought back then, that this is what you need to do to be successful and they were. I hear people say "Well, they should have gotten a laser cutter for making kits" but these people didn't know that SIG had one of the first ones in the industry, did their own laser cutting in addition to contract work for other kit makers and other types of lase work for other customers!! The original machine was very old, but still worked, and the last owner before Rizzo was able to sell it and replaced it with two newer, abut smaller machines, but were much faster and more up top date. There was everything there in Montezuma to produce much of the SIG line of products, including a trained work force, and they walked away from it. I could understand eliminating things, cutting back here and there as needed, but to just walk away from it all didn't make sense. I'm sure it all didn't bring very much at the auction. I'm not sure if the building and lot has been sold. I'll have to get in touch with Becky Van Dee and see what she knows about the old site.

   I went up there to Montezuma for 28 years straight for the C/L contest and got to know Hazel, Maxey, Mike Gretz and Mike Pratt , Bob Nelson and all the others there quite well and considered them friends. I got to meet and know many of the great people in this hobby there also as a bonus. The factory was something that I had dreamed of seeing as a kid when I read they held tours and when I finally made it there and got to see it all, it was like my "Field of Dreams" and it was in Iowa also!! I really would like to see them succeed in this endeavor, but from the way they are going about it, I just have my doubts and I think it will just be a fraction of what it once was. I think we all have been experiencing what some might call the "Golden Age of Model Aviation" for the last 40 years and it will never be the same as it was.

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #23 on: January 10, 2025, 07:04:00 AM »
Lets see... Just thinking out loud on my part.  Brodak sells a similar model today that is laser cut for $160.  Does Brodak cut their own wood?  I'll assume SIG is no longer in the balsa business and has the same vendor of balsa as Brodak.  What price do you think SIG will sell their Twister kit for?  Methinks it would be a steal at $140 plus shipping.  Brodak has a MUCH wider line of kits so they will enjoy the economy of scale for the hardware, boxes, plans, etc alone.  Hmmmmm....
I wonder how many Flite Streak kits Brodak sells at $190 each?  Let alone how many are are being cloned by tracing the parts and scratch building additional copies? Yet when a "valued" vendor of kits goes under some have/will offer condolences not remembering they help drive the nails into the coffin.....
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« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2025, 07:43:00 PM »
Lets see... Just thinking out loud on my part.  Brodak sells a similar model today that is laser cut for $160.  Does Brodak cut their own wood?  I'll assume SIG is no longer in the balsa business and has the same vendor of balsa as Brodak.  What price do you think SIG will sell their Twister kit for?  Methinks it would be a steal at $140 plus shipping.  Brodak has a MUCH wider line of kits so they will enjoy the economy of scale for the hardware, boxes, plans, etc alone.  Hmmmmm....
I wonder how many Flite Streak kits Brodak sells at $190 each?  Let alone how many are are being cloned by tracing the parts and scratch building additional copies? Yet when a "valued" vendor of kits goes under some have/will offer condolences not remembering they help drive the nails into the coffin.....

Another unique advantage brodak has is it has a parent company; I imagine the line of model airplane products is heavily subsidized by John’s grocery business. 

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« Reply #25 on: February 21, 2025, 02:17:30 PM »
Just got an order from Sig! shipped right away!
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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #26 on: February 21, 2025, 03:35:07 PM »
Just got an order from Sig! shipped right away!

It looks like silkspan is available again

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« Reply #27 on: February 21, 2025, 03:38:30 PM »
It looks like silkspan is available again

   I hope you're right, but might want to check it out before we declare victory on that one.

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« Reply #28 on: February 21, 2025, 06:39:32 PM »
   I hope you're right, but might want to check it out before we declare victory on that one.

     Brett

I spoke with Dave Lindsey at EAA Winter Flight Fest on February 8, the indoor free flight guy, he gets his wood from the same mill that Sig is ordering from.   He visited Sig and found out they expect a big wood order and will cut kits soon.  So that is encouraging.

I asked about fuel, and he didn't think SIG would be supplying fuel anymore.   
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« Reply #29 on: February 21, 2025, 07:01:38 PM »
It looks like silkspan is available again

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« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2025, 06:29:43 AM »
It looks like silkspan is available again
I emailed them and asked if it was the same stuff it use to be...he replied it should be..........
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« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2025, 06:47:07 AM »
I ordered “heavy” silkspan from Sig about a month ago. Got the order in three days. Used some of the silkspan for a test piece. Works fine, seems just like the old stuff.
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« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2025, 07:28:25 AM »
I ordered “heavy” silkspan from Sig about a month ago. Got the order in three days. Used some of the silkspan for a test piece. Works fine, seems just like the old stuff.

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #33 on: February 24, 2025, 11:24:22 PM »
Sig also has Lite Coat back in stock, and also colors. Yaaaay! 👍  #^
 

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2025, 08:36:49 PM »
    Redesigning means extra costs, and a bigger increase in the kit price. Brodak lists the Banshee at $117 (out of stock, or course) which is roughly the same construction and size as a Twister, and a redesign would put it at $150 to $175 maybe? Maybe $200 if the balsa situation does not improve?? And none of the modifications would do any good for someone that is just learning to build and fly. May I also point out that gentleman from Japan that posted the flight videos of his "White Twister" flying a fantastic pattern with it and when asked, he said the model was completely stock and powered by a Brodak .40, and even gave the control horn and bell crank set up lengths. That was one of the things that made the Twister so attractive, that is was low cost, and a simple airplane that was easy to build and finished out at lightweight.

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I'm hoping they bring kits back and make them better. No need for redesign, the FTwister has already been designed and I doubt the small changes would cost another $83 in balsa. Someone just learning to fly would probably be building a 1/2a then a Ringmaster ect. The Twister, I would consider as a third step in the learning process. In that case a stable flying plane would be beneficial. I think most would be bought by experianced flyers and kit bashed anyway. Yes, it's already a good plane but even better with the mods. Prices always go up but hopefully evolution of the product continues. Imagine a less ugly Banshee and a Fancherised Tornado kit but, as you say, these things only exist in dreams at present.

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2025, 07:16:37 AM »
Redesigning means someone experienced enough to know what should be changed. How many hours in CAD to make it happen?
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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2025, 07:55:17 AM »
I think that I read that SIG sold all of their die cutting machines.  If they still have the dies they could probably get new machines.  That would rule out design changes, too expensive to make new dies.  If they are instead going to invest in laser cutters then design changes are not only feasible but likely if they just reach out to us first.  All that matters is that it fits into the box.

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #37 on: February 26, 2025, 09:03:38 AM »
As part of my student training I worked at the Fisher Body Livonia Trim Plant and watched tradesmen make steel rule cutting dies.  It's not all that high tech or expensive.  And once it in production it makes sheets of parts on the order of one per second, not four minutes per sheet. 

Maybe the step is to laser cut the plywood blank and have a robot insert the steel rules.  Or else offshore the whole thing to workers in The Phillipines or Pakistan.
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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #38 on: February 26, 2025, 09:06:24 AM »
I think that I read that SIG sold all of their die cutting machines.  If they still have the dies they could probably get new machines.  That would rule out design changes, too expensive to make new dies.  If they are instead going to invest in laser cutters then design changes are not only feasible but likely if they just reach out to us first.  All that matters is that it fits into the box.

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And therein lies the next problem.   Shipping boxes as long as the usual kit box got really expensive.  From that standpoint making parts under 30" makes a lot of sense even though you would need to splice longer parts.   I'd expect Sig would just farm out the laser cutting.    There are plenty of businesses around to do that now without investing in equipment or the labor to run them.   

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #39 on: February 26, 2025, 02:28:56 PM »
Sig also has Lite Coat back in stock, and also colors. Yaaaay! 👍  #^

  I was unable to find thinner on the site - do you have a link?

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2025, 02:31:16 PM »
Redesigning means someone experienced enough to know what should be changed. How many hours in CAD to make it happen?

    The previous post about just making it the Fancherized version would be a good place to start, and only requires a few parts to change.

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #41 on: March 03, 2025, 04:11:40 PM »
  I was unable to find thinner on the site - do you have a link?

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I only see quarts Brett.


https://sigmfg.com/products/sig-supercoat-thinner?variant=21455969583182

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #42 on: March 03, 2025, 06:16:40 PM »
  I was unable to find thinner on the site - do you have a link?

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I use Klean Strip Lacquer Thinner from Home Depot without any problems.  $21 a gallon.
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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #43 on: March 03, 2025, 06:54:07 PM »
I ordered 4 gallons of thinner from SIG about 7 years ago.  I did not request signature required, but that is how they were shipped.  Made it to my steps in Washington (the State) but couldn't be delivered.  Also, could not change delivery address to my work because they were hazardous.  Got 3 attempted delivery notes on my door and they went all the way back to Iowa.  Shipped out a second time to my work address and I could sign.  Cans look like the box was dropped from ten feet.  Buckled and crimped but none of them leaked.  I wanted a supply to last a while and got it, the hard way. 

Quarts are a little more in price but do not ship as hazardous.  Saves money, I think.

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« Reply #44 on: March 03, 2025, 07:24:51 PM »
I use Kleenstrip Lacquer Thinner from Home Depot without any problems.  $21 a gallon.

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #45 on: March 03, 2025, 09:13:28 PM »
  What you get and what we get may not be the same!  CARB.

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This new can I just got seems to have very little odor compared to the last can I got 2 years ago.

This can is most assuredly a new can.  On the back it tells us not to drink this stuff!

Maybe when you're here for the Nats, pick up a gallon or so to take back with you.  Or I can bring some to the Nats for you.
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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #46 on: March 03, 2025, 09:16:58 PM »
I just checked a Fresno CA. Home Depot and the can they show is exactly the same can that I have.
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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #47 on: March 03, 2025, 09:33:38 PM »
I just checked a Fresno CA. Home Depot and the can they show is exactly the same can that I have.
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I have been getting the same stuff at Wal Mart.
Has to say 'high solvency' on the back of the can....just like in the picture.

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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #48 on: March 03, 2025, 10:03:17 PM »
This new can I just got seems to have very little odor compared to the last can I got 2 years ago.

This can is most assuredly a new can.  On the back it tells us not to drink this stuff!

Maybe when you're here for the Nats, pick up a gallon or so to take back with you.  Or I can bring some to the Nats for you.

     The differences in lacquer thinner has been covered several times before. I think it is a state to state thing. It started years ago when Windy said on one of his videos that he could not get DuPont 3608S thinner back when we were using that a lot. He could only get 3608W that did not work. I have mentioned before that is you go around and read the ingredients on the can you might see that all it says on it is "acetone" . I hit all the places around me like auto parts stores and hardware stores and that's what I found . When Home Depot started carrying Kleen Strip, I tried some of that and it worked OK for me. Look at the photo of the back of the can that Crist posted, it's got all sorts of stuff in it!! You might have to even think outside the box a bit and not look for lacquer thinner. I bought some thinner off a local FB Marketplace ad that just said "Brush Cleaner" and the can was printed in as much Spanish as English!! That made me think it might have come from one of the border states. They can get around some rules and regulations by NOT calling it lacquer thinner. I tried thinning a sample of clear 50/50 and it worked the same as Kleen Strip. I have seen the Kleen Strip in cans with different colors also. It's confusing but being vigilant and paying attention to labels is what you gotta do!!
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Re: SIG control line IS coming back!
« Reply #49 on: March 03, 2025, 10:19:48 PM »
I just checked a Fresno CA. Home Depot and the can they show is exactly the same can that I have.

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