PAMPA re-up

[Randy Powell]

Have we figured out a way to re-up for PAMPA that isn't a pain in the backside yet? Like, I don't know, just off the top of my head, pay for it online?

[peabody]

I used the "land line".....boxed up a check and let USPS figure it out.

[Randy Powell]

Well, I don't really use checks anymore so if such is needed, I generally get a money order. Just never got around to it last year. I suppose if we are still in the dark ages, I will just have to get around to it this year.

[David Hoover]

The simple way is to fill out the membership form including the credit card info, scan the filled out form, then email the scanned file as an attachment to the appropriate person.

[frank williams]

I tried the "Visa Email" last year and got notin.
Have we considered PayPal as an option?

[Mike Keville]

I'm one of those Luddites who still uses checks and the US Mail.  Sent Mike* a check on 26 Oct., and received an email acknowledgement on 30 Oct., saying that payment was received.  Easy, peezy....

*Michael Strand
24 Enterprise Rd, Ste C
Delafield, WI 53018

[tom brightbill]

If you have access to a fax machine, that system with a credit card number on the form works beautifully.

[wwwarbird]

Have we figured out a way to re-up for PAMPA that isn't a pain in the backside yet? Like, I don't know, just off the top of my head, pay for it online?

 I'm with ya Randy, being able to pay PAMPA online would be great. Maybe they could just set up a Paypal account?

 A Paypal account is super easy to get set up, heck, even I figured it out. 

[Mike Keville]

What's the problem with sending a check or money order to the mailing address?

1) Helps keep the US Postal Service in business.
2) Helps avoid having your Pay Pal account hacked.

ANY electronic contact these days is subject to being hacked and your identity stolen.  Call me an Old Phart, but I don't trust this so-called Digital Age.

[Hoss Cain]

What's the problem with sending a check or money order to the mailing address?

1) Helps keep the US Postal Service in business.
2) Helps avoid having your Pay Pal account hacked.

ANY electronic contact these days is subject to being hacked and your identity stolen.  Call me an Old Phart, but I don't trust this so-called Digital Age.

Mr. Keville, I am with you.  I do same. Just recently, my main computer got totally raided. All my records are going to be removed by a friend and I will try again with a new and different computer.
I pay all my bills via check and snail mail. It  worked for many years and so far it is working still. IMO, had I been using the confuser, I would be in a real situation now. Like you I have already been recognized for my payment to
PAMPA.












 

[Paul Walker]

Have we figured out a way to re-up for PAMPA that isn't a pain in the backside yet? Like, I don't know, just off the top of my head, pay for it online?

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Randy,
The PAMPA Pres lives only a few miles down the road from you. You should give him a call and let him explain the "why's".

It was the intent when updating the PAMPA website to have that option. I don't know where that stands.   I sent a check in........

[frank williams]

Online banking and purchases do work.  Face it .... the world is changing, I seldom write a check for anything anymore.

PayPal might be pretty easy ..... PAMPA just needs to set up an account for member transfers.

I would even guess that PAMPA membership might increase if the option was available.

I know , I know , its a volunteer organization .... but it might in the long run be easier for the Treas. to process online subscriptions as opposed to transcribing paper documents and checks and money orders.   Maybe we could get some of the spare ACA website developers to help.

[Mike Keville]

As always, opinions will vary.

[55chevr]

The entire world is doing business on the internet.  School children in NYC are no longer going to be taught cursive writing as it all computer now.  Time to join the information age.


Joe

[Steve Helmick]

Yeah, and kids get out of HS unable to read, and those who can read can't spell because they text all the time. That is commonly called "Dumbing Down America". PAMPA doesn't have to follow suit, IMO.  Steve

[Randy Cuberly]

Yeah, and kids get out of HS unable to read, and those who can read can't spell because they text all the time. That is commonly called "Dumbing Down America". PAMPA doesn't have to follow suit, IMO.   Steve

Steve,
While I agree with your premise of "Dumbing Down America" I do think that using Pay Pal to pay subscriptions and make purchases is a good step forward.
There is no special intelligence required to write checks, but the world has changed and not using the US Mail to make financial transactions is a good thing.  Security is generally not a problem for those kind of transactions and most Identification theft is not done that way.  Stolen computers and phishing are the two main methods...
I have to agree with Frank Williams here...It shouldn't be a major problem for PAMPA to set up a PAY PAL account and it would actually relieve the membership chairman of a fair amount of work and automatically keep track of his recieved accounts.  I'm afraid I simply don't understand why it hasn't been done a long time ago.

Randy Cuberly
PS:  I'm and old Dogmatic "don't wan'na change sort of guy" but there are some things in this mess of computers and internet transactions that are good!

[Jerry Eichten]

My renewal notice includes the ballot for PAMPA officers.  Only one of the nine positions has more than one candidate. 

Thank you to all who volunteer their time and talent for PAMPA.  I'll mail my ballot and a check. 

[Roy DeCamara]

My renewal notice includes the ballot for PAMPA officers.  Only one of the nine positions has more than one candidate. 

Thank you to all who volunteer their time and talent for PAMPA.  I'll mail my ballot and a check. 

[Roy DeCamara]

I'm not sure if I'm doing this right.  I'm simply trying to reply to Mike's post.  I agree.  The day comes that PAMPA will not accept my check as payment will be the last time I re-up.  Screw all this modern crap!!  I'm tired of passwords, stuff I have to remember. 

[55chevr]

I assume everyone here has a computer or they wouldn't be reading this.   A good first step to the "Information Age".   Joining PAMPA and getting the payment in are tedious.  Needs the next step and be made computer friendly?

Joe

[frank williams]

As soon as I open my mouth, I sit here writing a check for a purchase.  While I'm at it I'll write one to PAMPA. 
.... then I'll hook up the team to go to the golf course ..... let's see .... maybe a horse drawn golf cart ....... Ok, Ok,  ....I'm, just having fun with yall ...... 

[SteveMoon]

How hard is mailing a check? Didn't seem very difficult at all.

Steve

[MarcusCordeiro]

How hard is mailing a check? Didn't seem very difficult at all.

Steve

I don't want to sound rough, but I can't mail a check...
I've been trying to become a PAMPA member for a couple of months now, no success...
If there was the option "On-line" not only me but a few other fellow modellers would be happy to join PAMPA.
PayPal makes things easier...
Just my 2 cents...
And, could anybody please direct me to who/how/what I must do to join PAMPA???
Sending a form by mail from 10,000 miles seems like taking forever...

Marcus

[James C. Johnson]

Irony.... People complaining about remembering a password but have no problems memorizing the stunt pattern..

I wish there was paypal option, I haven't bought checks in almost 10 yrs...

[john e. holliday]

Renewals are out???   Have not got mine yet.   But, how long does it take to do a money order.   In reality all the treasurer needs to know is the PayPal charge for the membership fee, then have the member add that amount to it.   Does the treasurer have a PayPal account?   If so all we have to do is send to his account with added fees and note that it is for PAMPA membership.   Our NCLRA has that now if I remember right.

[Derek Barry]

PAMPA is a volunteer organization. If you don't like the way things are, maybe you should volunteer to help out.

We all know that as soon as a new website is rolled out there will be people complaining about it too. Even though they did nothing to help develop, manage, or maintain it.

Derek

[MikeCoulombe]

So much drama, I'll be mailing my renewal, but it would be nice to renew online, I hope that the new PAMPA site has the PayPal option.
Does anyone know when the "New" website is scheduled to appear?

Mike 

[Randy Cuberly]

Irony.... People complaining about remembering a password but have no problems memorizing the stunt pattern..

I wish there was paypal option, I haven't bought checks in almost 10 yrs...

Yeah...but even the best among us sometimes forget the pattern...Ask Ted Fancher...or for that matter just about any expert!

Sorry Ted...just couldn't stop myself!!

Randy C.

[wwwarbird]

How hard is mailing a check? Didn't seem very difficult at all.

Steve

 That is a good and valid point Steve, it's not difficult. Either way, I'll still re-up. 

 Some here, at least me, are only trying to say that it would be nice to have an online payment option. The bottom line is that no, mailing a check is not a big deal, but an online option would be a welcomed addition for many members.

 Some other food for thought...

 If there was an online payment option for PAMPA and their products, I would be much more likely to order some of the other merchandise offered instead of only re-upping my membership each year and then leaving it at that. It's possible that I might not be the only one for that...just sayin'.

 And BTW, Thank You to all the volunteers.

[Steve Helmick]

Instead of PayPal, if it was setup to use any popular credit or debit card, I'd be ok with that. I currently don't want to have anything to do with eBay or PayPal, and you can't make me!  Steve

[Bruce Perry]

I wonder why there are no young members?

Sure checks work well for US members. Not so much for out of country members. Int'l money orders can be very expensive and inconvenient. Evidence Marcus' comment. PayPal is slightly better and a simple solution for this cycle.

Our company processes many many transactions through an e commerce site. We are about to roll out a new one that will allow online debit purchases. We are doing it to satisfy the demands of the consumers we cater to.  PAMPA needs to embrace this trend too. A great deal of retail research insists this is the necessary direction for successful cards to retail organizations.

The high point of PAMPA membership had at least twice as many members outside the US as we do now. A simple CC solution would encourage membership. We could all email a link to one non member.  Yes we can also photocopy and offer the membership using the current cash or check too and yes we should!!!  However, easy counts for some, that certainly doesn't mean it's a UNIVERSAL truth.  

All good retailers must accept all forms of payment. We must react to the demand.

I would be pleased to offer council to the executive regarding our e commerce solutions.  Further to emailing credit cards, we are trained in PCI compliance. This refers to exposure of credit cards to fraud or theft. Email does not meet PCI compliance in CANADA.  The fines levied by CC companies on organizations that allow cards to be jeopardized are company killers. Tens of thousands per occurance.  I would strongly caution that the organization consider the risk exposure here.  

Paypal answers this issue. Phone orders are less risky than email however the nonqualified discount rate is higher. Meaning we pay more to get the dough. But we get the dough!

Checks are easy for some and that's awesome. They are not universally easy or convenient and to grow PAMPA we have to be easy to BUY from!  Period!

Bruce

[John Leidle]

 Steve,  both my boys left high school with a much better skill set of writing than I ever had. I don't believe it's the system. I believe it's the lack of upbringing if a kid cant read.
                   John

[MarcusCordeiro]

I wonder why there are no young members?

Sure checks work well for US members. Not so much for out of country members. Int'l money orders can be very expensive and inconvenient. Evidence Marcus' comment. PayPal is slightly better and a simple solution for this cycle.

Our company processes many many transactions through an e commerce site. We are about to roll out a new one that will allow online debit purchases. We are doing it to satisfy the demands of the consumers we cater to.  PAMPA needs to embrace this trend too. A great deal of retail research insists this is the necessary direction for successful cards to retail organizations.

The high point of PAMPA membership had at least twice as many members outside the US as we do now. A simple CC solution would encourage membership. We could all email a link to one non member.  Yes we can also photocopy and offer the membership using the current cash or check too and yes we should!!!  However, easy counts for some, that certainly doesn't mean it's a UNIVERSAL truth.  

All good retailers must accept all forms of payment. We must react to the demand.

I would be pleased to offer council to the executive regarding our e commerce solutions.  Further to emailing credit cards, we are trained in PCI compliance. This refers to exposure of credit cards to fraud or theft. Email does not meet PCI compliance in CANADA.  The fines levied by CC companies on organizations that allow cards to be jeopardized are company killers. Tens of thousands per occurance.  I would strongly caution that the organization consider the risk exposure here.  

Paypal answers this issue. Phone orders are less risky than email however the nonqualified discount rate is higher. Meaning we pay more to get the dough. But we get the dough!

Checks are easy for some and that's awesome. They are not universally easy or convenient and to grow PAMPA we have to be easy to BUY from!  Period!

Bruce

Thanks Bruce.
I never meant to be disrespectful, I just want to be able to download Stuntnews, like any of you...
And here is my suggestion.
Why not have it possible to join PAMPA thru the online shop here in the fórum?
That would bring together the best there is when we talk about stunt...
What y'all say?
Robert?

Marcus

[Steve Fitton]

Guys, the new Pampa web site has been completed for months, after an immense amount of effort by one of our EC members.  The new site has a shopping cart system that allows online purchase of Pampa membership/renewals as well as other Pampa products by credit card.  It was certainly our hope that we would be using the site for this years renewals, but that will not be the case.  The new site needs someone to be the administrator of it, and to date no one with the right qualifications has stepped up.  Our president Don McClave has been working with the site creator to try to locate somebody for some months now.  We will just have to be patient.

[SteveMoon]

This is unbelievable. So much whining! Out of country members can simply mail
a money order. Let's remember that PAMPA has been around since 1974, there
wasn't any PayPal or online payments then, and somehow everybody still managed.
If you live in the US and don't have checks, just go to the post office and get a
money order and you can mail it right there. Not that hard.

If an organization is something you feel is worthy of your time and effort to be a
part of then you will do what is necessary to be a part of that organization, whether
it's PAMPA, AMA, AROC (Alfa Romeo Owners Club), NRA, SCCA, or whatever.

Later, Steve

[peabody]

Steve...it IS that hard for some.....especially in a day and age when on-line renewal/donation is so easy.......I believe that membership could/would increase if it was easier to join...although I am not sure that increasing PAMPA membership is a goal.
It might work if some upstanding member with a Pay Pal account would deal with renewals and then write a check or use a credit card to PAMPA?

[Dick Pacini]

 Let's remember that PAMPA has been around since 1974,

Actually, it was 1973.

[SteveMoon]

There you go, 1973, 40 years.

[Randy Cuberly]

There you go, 1973, 40 years.

Steve,
Are you still doing everything the same way you were 40 years ago.  I seriously doubt it.  The world changes.  Sometimes for the better sometimes for the worse, but nothing remains static...You cannot fight that truth!
If there is an easier way for some folks to do this situation why not comply?
In fact it looks like PAMPA is complying when they can find someone savy enough to run the thing.  Surely we have some manager types that can handle this.

Randy cuberly

[SteveMoon]

You are right Randy, things do change. And, you are right about finding someone
to run the new setup. Until that is working though, why do people have to whine
so much; can't we all just do what is necessary to be a part of an organization
that we want to belong to.

Steve

[Steve Fitton]

Steve,
Are you still doing everything the same way you were 40 years ago.  I seriously doubt it.  The world changes. 

Steve totally crashes bikes the way (Evil Knievel) did 40 years ago.

[Bruce Perry]

# Marcus, I didn't take anything you've said as disrespectful! I apologize to you if it came across that way, I meant to use your statement as an example.

# Steve, if I came across as whining that was certainly not the intent!!!!  Hahahaha perhaps another case of the written word not conveying the true message.  I was merely pointing out the direction e commerce is going and the trends we are seeing here. I had hoped to be helpful!  I will find a handful of American greenbacks and ship them in for processing as I would like to continue my membership.   Heal fast buddy!

The faithful and the converted will always find a way to join!  I assumed it would be a benefit if more joined our ranks.  I feel many will once our cool new site is full functioning. 

B

[Steve Helmick]

Sounds to me that Mr. Perry is well qualified to run the PAMPA online billing department, and only needs a slight push to volunteer?    Steve

[MikeCoulombe]

Sounds to me that Mr. Perry is well qualified to run the PAMPA online billing department, and only needs a slight push to volunteer?    Steve

I second that nomination!   

[Bruce Perry]

Thanks guys! 

As a foreigner it complicates the matter quite a bit.  Moving money back and forth across the border makes for some interesting discussions with folks that have little humour. 

Sorry, that job isn't for me.

B

[SteveMoon]

Yes, Steve I can still crash old school. Broke my collarbone at age 7, broke it again
at age 50! Some things do stay the same. Although, they did use CyA glue instead
of stitches to close the wound. He did such a good job, he didn't even have to use
any kicker!

I'm confident that the new site will be up and running in the not too distant future,
but until then we'll just have to press on the old fashioned way. We'll manage.

Steve

[MarcusCordeiro]

Thanks guys! 

As a foreigner it complicates the matter quite a bit.  Moving money back and forth across the border makes for some interesting discussions with folks that have little humour. 

Sorry, that job isn't for me.

B

Bruce

In no way I thought you were rough on me... I just wanted to make it clear I'm not complaining, it's just what you said, sending cash is really a PITA..
But ok, if I must wait, I must wait...
I had got in touch with Jim Vornhold and was ready to send my info and card number, but right then it seems that something happened and I lost contact with him.
So, if anybody could please get the email of the person currently responsible for this, I'd be happy to do it right now...
Oh, and as it is volunteer work, if I can be of help, just let me know.

Marcus

[Randy Cuberly]

You are right Randy, things do change. And, you are right about finding someone
to run the new setup. Until that is working though, why do people have to whine
so much; can't we all just do what is necessary to be a part of an organization
that we want to belong to.

Steve

Absolutely Steve...
Having lived on the other side of the big pond for a whole I do know how complicated it can be sometimes to transfer money from another country to the US.  Especially now with the constant changing value of currencies to each other.
I'm not opposed to writing checks but in my opinion it's riskier and a lot more trouble than making on line transfers.  It's even more so for our friends in other countries.
I've come to know Marcus from correspondence  with him and believe he is a true gentleman and if he says's it's a problem for him I believe him.  I am glad we are trying to do something about it.
If I was more literate about IT systems I would volunteer to take that position...unfortunately I'm not.  In spite of being fairly intelligent I'm sure I would make a mess of it!

My comments were not meant as any kind of criticism of you or of your previous remarks...just expressing an opinion.

Randy Cuberly
PS:  Hey Steve, I broke bones 11 different times when I was racing flat track in the 70's...they heal.
Then when you get to be 73 like me you can feel everyone of them all over again... .

Randy C.

[Mike Keville]

In case anyone missed it above (Reply #5), the current contact for PAMPA membership is:

Michael Strand
24 Enterprise Rd., Suite C
Delafield, WI 53018
262-352-0645

[MarcusCordeiro]

In case anyone missed it above (Reply #5), the current contact for PAMPA membership is:

Michael Strand
24 Enterprise Rd., Suite C
Delafield, WI 53018
262-352-0645

Great! Does he have one email???

Marcus