Author Topic: Out Flying the SIG Primary Force with Keith Sandberg (Read 25820 times)

Shug Emery · « **on:** March 19, 2015, 07:50:01 AM »

That Primary Force needs to come back to the market))))) I want one.
What a smooth flying plane. Keith brought his out to the field and let me fly it too.
This was on mighty fine ARF Control Line airplane.
Powered by an OS .30 four stroke.
Fun day at the field as we flew several planes.
Shug

Paul Taylor · « **Reply #1 on:** March 19, 2015, 10:03:35 AM »

Nicely done Shug.

But you failed to provide us a status on sector seven!

I'm just clowning around.

john e. holliday · « **Reply #2 on:** March 19, 2015, 11:35:41 AM »

Get a hold of Mikey Pratt the designer and get one of his short kits. I still have mine, even though the dogs did a number on the covering. The best flying plane I have.

Joe Yau · « **Reply #3 on:** March 19, 2015, 12:14:21 PM »

Yup.. have to agree Sig really should bring back the PF! First time out with it at a contest.. I did my personal best 500+ beat out my PA piped stunter ever scored. nice video btw..

Shug Emery · « **Reply #4 on:** March 19, 2015, 12:47:35 PM »

Quote from: Paul Taylor on March 19, 2015, 10:03:35 AM

Nicely done Shug.

But you failed to provide us a status on sector seven!

I'm just clowning around.

Sitting here doing my taxes....argggg. So sector seven is stressed!

Thankee Paul.
Shug

Quote from: john e. holliday on March 19, 2015, 11:35:41 AM

Get a hold of Mikey Pratt the designer and get one of his short kits. I still have mine, even though the dogs did a number on the covering. The best flying plane I have.

If I can't find an ARF...then that I shall do Doc. It really did fly so nicely.
Shug

Quote from: Joe Yau on March 19, 2015, 12:14:21 PM

Yup.. have to agree Sig really should bring back the PF! First time out with it at a contest.. I did my personal best 500+ beat out my PA piped stunter ever scored. nice video btw..

I have written them a note begging for that. Perhaps we should start a Campaign to bring it back. Great to hear that you did so well with it. Fun to fly that plane.
Shug Thanks ya'

mike londke · « **Reply #5 on:** March 19, 2015, 01:05:58 PM »

Shug, I got in touch with Mike Pratt 2 months ago and he said it will be kitted again soon. He is tweaking it now. I'm sure it won't be too long. Stand-by. Mike

Shug Emery · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2015, 02:35:13 PM »

Quote from: mike londke on March 19, 2015, 01:05:58 PM

Shug, I got in touch with Mike Pratt 2 months ago and he said it will be kitted again soon. He is tweaking it now. I'm sure it won't be too long. Stand-by. Mike

That is hopeful and exciting news. Making my tax day go better))))
Shug

Steve Scott · « **Reply #7 on:** March 19, 2015, 05:10:25 PM »

I also asked Pratt when he was at our meeting a couple of months ago. Said he had something 'in the works' for the Primary Force so, 'stand by'.

My kid, then as a 14 year old, beat me and every other beginner pilot at the 2006 Sig contest with his Brodak 40-powered Primary Force.

wwwarbird · « **Reply #8 on:** March 19, 2015, 08:36:58 PM »

Another vote here for SIG to bring back the ARF Primary Force. Overall it was the best ARF out there during the short time they offered it, a quick building and very competitive design.

If SIG is looking for more sales, they need more offerings.

MikeyPratt · « **Reply #9 on:** March 19, 2015, 09:33:41 PM »

Quote from: mike londke on March 19, 2015, 01:05:58 PM

Shug, I got in touch with Mike Pratt 2 months ago and he said it will be kitted again soon. He is tweaking it now. I'm sure it won't be too long. Stand-by. Mike

Hi Shurg,
Well I'm really glad you like the P Force. The short kit should be done in the next month or so. I'm assembling the proof model from the laser cutter just to make sure everything fits as it should.

In a edition, the E Force is almost ready to fly and plans are finished. The E Force is slightly smaller at 440 sq,s than the P Force and can be built either, electric or glow. The FP .20 or LA .25 should be perfect for it. Hopefully you can see it the next meeting or at the field.

If you like the P Force, you are really going to like the P Force XL (it's a killer).

Later
Mikey

Shug Emery · « **Reply #10 on:** March 19, 2015, 10:31:04 PM »

Quote from: Steve Scott on March 19, 2015, 05:10:25 PM

I also asked Pratt when he was at our meeting a couple of months ago. Said he had something 'in the works' for the Primary Force so, 'stand by'.

My kid, then as a 14 year old, beat me and every other beginner pilot at the 2006 Sig contest with his Brodak 40-powered Primary Force.

Whooooooo Buddy)))))
Shug

Quote from: wwwarbird on March 19, 2015, 08:36:58 PM

Another vote here for SIG to bring back the ARF Primary Force. Overall it was the best ARF out there during the short time they offered it, a quick building and very competitive design.

If SIG is looking for more sales, they need more offerings.

I have heard nothing but good about it!
Shug

Quote from: MikeyPratt on March 19, 2015, 09:33:41 PM

Hi Shurg,
Well I'm really glad you like the P Force. The short kit should be done in the next month or so. I'm assembling the proof model from the laser cutter just to make sure everything fits as it should.

In a edition, the E Force is almost ready to fly and plans are finished. The E Force is slightly smaller at 440 sq,s than the P Force and can be built either, electric or glow. The FP .20 or LA .25 should be perfect for it. Hopefully you can see it the next meeting or at the field.

If you like the P Force, you are really going to like the P Force XL (it's a killer).

Later
Mikey

Hey Mike...what is a short kit? I keep hearing that but have never asked yet.
An electric interests me too. Local stealth flying for sure.
Look forward to meetingh you someday.
Shug
Love to see thP Force XL!

MikeyPratt · « **Reply #11 on:** March 20, 2015, 07:41:00 AM »

Quote from: Shug Emery on March 19, 2015, 10:31:04 PM

Whooooooo Buddy)))))
Shug
I have heard nothing but good about it!
Shug
Hey Mike...what is a short kit? I keep hearing that but have never asked yet.
An electric interests me too. Local stealth flying for sure.
Look forward to meeting you someday.
Shug
Love to see thP Force XL!

Shut,
The short kit of the P Force contains the following laser cut parts,

Wing Ribs,
Fuselage.
Stabilizer.
Elevators.
Wing Spar.
Fin & Rudder.
Plywood Doublers.
Adjustable lead-out guide.
Tip weight box.
Cad Drawn plans (scratch builders sheet are sold separately).
Instruction book.

Not included with the short kit are wing sheeting, and stick balsa, maple motor mounts, landing gear & wheels, bell- crank & lead-out cables, pushrod, and control horns.

The price for the P Force kit is $80.00 plus shipping. As you can see' it has all the major parts without hardware, sheeting and balsa stick wood. There will also be an electric conversion sheet for the P Force when that is finished.

Later,
Mikey

Bud Morrison · « **Reply #12 on:** March 20, 2015, 10:21:07 AM »

Pre-Order list ?

Ward Van Duzer · « **Reply #13 on:** March 20, 2015, 01:17:54 PM »

Mikey,

I do hope the P Force XL is going to be the first one we built on the Chip' wing with the OS .32. Mine has a piped Randy Tiger in it now, but it's getting a little ragged!

Ward

john e. holliday · « **Reply #14 on:** March 20, 2015, 03:40:33 PM »

The P-Force I built some time ago was dead on. It started out with Fox 35 stunt and flew great. Change to LA 25 and it still flew better than the pilot on the handle. Mikey, put the old DOC on the list as I would like another one and maybe finish a little lighter.

Shug Emery · « **Reply #15 on:** March 20, 2015, 04:02:22 PM »

I am still hoping for an ARF))))))))
Shug

John Christensen · « **Reply #16 on:** March 20, 2015, 05:43:45 PM »

I also have flown Keith's Force and was impressed with how easy it flew. This would be a good ARF for SIG to bring back.

keith sandberg · « **Reply #17 on:** March 20, 2015, 07:04:50 PM »

The Primary Force would be a great plane for Sig to come out with again. I believe they sold every one they put in a box and there is still a huge demand for them. Not that Mikes kit would be bad if it comes out, but any kit is going to be far more expensive to build and take more then the 4 or 5 hours to assemble that this one requires. Count me in for a couple

Shug Emery · « **Reply #18 on:** March 20, 2015, 08:18:23 PM »

Quote from: John Christensen on March 20, 2015, 05:43:45 PM

I also have flown Keith's Force and was impressed with how easy it flew. This would be a good ARF for SIG to bring back.

I'm glad he let me fly it too....on rails that P Force.
Shug

Quote from: keith sandberg on March 20, 2015, 07:04:50 PM

The Primary Force would be a great plane for Sig to come out with again. I believe they sold every one they put in a box and there is still a huge demand for them. Not that Mikes kit would be bad if it comes out, but any kit is going to be far more expensive to build and take more then the 4 or 5 hours to assemble that this one requires. Count me in for a couple

I am with you on that))))))

Shug

MikeyPratt · « **Reply #19 on:** March 20, 2015, 09:26:37 PM »

Quote from: Ward Van Duzer on March 20, 2015, 01:17:54 PM

Mikey,

I do hope the P Force XL is going to be the first one we built on the Chip' wing with the OS .32. Mine has a piped Randy Tiger in it now, but it's getting a little ragged!

Ward

Hi Ward,
What's up Buddy! Yea, you are really going to love the P F XL at 640 squares with geodetic wing construction and just over 42 ounces. Mine will have an LA .46 or a ST .51 not really sure yet but leaning towards the LA. I've done a bunch of things that are different on this design just to make it even better than the P Force. It's been a blast designing it and can't wait to fly and see how she goes (I'm sure it will be killer because bigger is always better).

Later,
Mikey

MikeyPratt · « **Reply #20 on:** March 20, 2015, 09:55:02 PM »

Quote from: keith sandberg on March 20, 2015, 07:04:50 PM

The Primary Force would be a great plane for Sig to come out with again. I believe they sold every one they put in a box and there is still a huge demand for them. Not that Mikes kit would be bad if it comes out, but any kit is going to be far more expensive to build and take more then the 4 or 5 hours to assemble that this one requires. Count me in for a couple

Hi Keith,
I hope Sig will do just that. But they have to do what makes them money and r/c kits make more money. Simple as that! The P Force can be built in a week of evenings and if covered with film, it is flying pretty quick as well. The short kit version builds up about 4 to 8 ounces lighter. And that make a difference when it comes to flight performance giving it a snappy turn. As far as costs go, I doubt it will be any more expensive than an ARF to build a short kit. If it does, then that's ok, because you can say with pride I built it.

See you soon,
Mikey

wwwarbird · « **Reply #21 on:** March 20, 2015, 10:51:50 PM »

Quote from: MikeyPratt on March 20, 2015, 09:55:02 PM

I hope Sig will do just that.

Me too.

I'm not too much of an ARF fan, but the Sig P-Force is one I'd buy again in a heartbeat. The one shown in Shug's video above is an example that I won in one of our club raffles. I brought it home and had it put together and ready to fly in just two short evenings of work. About the only change I made to it was adding the Sig Fazer L/G. I flew it for a season and then passed it on to Keith. I'm still wondering why.

Mikey's version would be a very nice offering to see as well, but I bet you'd see a LOT more Sig ARF'S out on the flight lines.

MikeyPratt · « **Reply #22 on:** March 20, 2015, 11:33:02 PM »

Quote from: Bud Morrison on March 20, 2015, 10:21:07 AM

Pre-Order list ?
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Hi Bud,
I haven't thought about that at all, maybe I should take a page from Walters play book and make a pre-order list. As it stands right now, the P Force will be 1st, and the E Force 2nd and then the P Force XL when it is ready.

Later,
Mikey

C.T. Schaefer · « **Reply #23 on:** March 21, 2015, 07:05:05 AM »

I'll take one of those P-Force short kits!! TS

Doug Burright · « **Reply #24 on:** March 21, 2015, 01:10:31 PM »

I would get the short kit. It would look great with purple trim!

John Miller · « **Reply #25 on:** March 21, 2015, 05:03:22 PM »

Uncle Mickey has designed several great stunt ships. I'm interested in a few of his less known efforts. Mikey, what's happening with your Stunt wing designs?

I still have the file for one of your earliest efforts, but before building, I'd like to build to your latest effort.

John Miller

MikeyPratt · « **Reply #26 on:** March 21, 2015, 09:48:38 PM »

Quote from: John Miller on March 21, 2015, 05:03:22 PM

Uncle Mickey has designed several great stunt ships. I'm interested in a few of his less known efforts. Mikey, what's happening with your Stunt wing designs?

I still have the file for one of your earliest efforts, but before building, I'd like to build to your latest effort.

John Miller

Hey Big John,
How are you my old friend? The Delta Force has started to sell quite well. I didn't know it would be so well received. Must be a bunch weirdos like me that like this oddball stuff (LOL). That model has been fun to design, built, and fly. The electric version still impresses me when George lets me fly it (I tell him it still needs more trimming and he lets me fly it)

Mine has the LA .46 and has a ton of fuel through it. It still looks good and flies even better than when it was new. After a bunch of engine swaps, tank, and adding trike gear to mine. We added conventional gear to George's Delta Force and that looks really awesome in the air and lands like a dream, no more wobbling like a drunk duck with the mono-wheel. The plans are available for the electric version. It's a simple matter to convert it glow by adding maple mounts.

What are you working on now? Something way different I hope! Or did Gordy make you change your ways (LOL)

?

Later,
Mikey

wwwarbird · « **Reply #27 on:** March 21, 2015, 10:24:19 PM »

Wasn't this post/thread supposed to be focusing on Sig's version?

MikeyPratt · « **Reply #28 on:** March 23, 2015, 07:29:43 AM »

Quote from: wwwarbird on March 21, 2015, 10:24:19 PM

Wasn't this post/thread supposed to be focusing on Sig's version?

Hi Wayne, I'm sorry for the drift.

Later,
Mikey

wwwarbird · « **Reply #29 on:** March 23, 2015, 05:14:05 PM »

No problem Mike, just hoping to stay on track with this one. It'll be nice to see your short kit offering too, maybe we can get some more frequent updates in the Vendor Section?

Horby · « **Reply #30 on:** March 23, 2015, 06:16:40 PM »

RSM also does a kit of the PF but you have to ask for one. I am just waiting for the snow to clear to see how the one I made compares to the Arf.

Warren

Shug Emery · « **Reply #31 on:** March 23, 2015, 06:58:24 PM »

Whoooooo Buddy))))) Found a Primary Force ARF....on it's way to my Nut-Hut.
I am thrilled.
Shug the Lucky

John Miller · « **Reply #32 on:** March 23, 2015, 08:44:56 PM »

Hey Mikey

Please drop me an e-mail jobelcrank (at) ya..oo (dot) com

I'd like to talk to you about a few projects.

John Miller

Bud Morrison · « **Reply #33 on:** March 23, 2015, 09:22:53 PM »

Quote from: Shug Emery on March 23, 2015, 06:58:24 PM

Whoooooo Buddy))))) Found a Primary Force ARF....on it's way to my Nut-Hut.
I am thrilled.
Shug the Lucky

Did you get the one from Dennis or can I buy that one now ?

Shug Emery · « **Reply #34 on:** March 23, 2015, 09:31:40 PM »

Quote from: Bud Morrison on March 23, 2015, 09:22:53 PM

Did you get the one from Dennis or can I buy that one now ?

Not from Dennis....you can buy it....

Shug

MikeyPratt · « **Reply #35 on:** March 24, 2015, 08:36:09 AM »

Quote from: Shug Emery on March 23, 2015, 09:31:40 PM

Not from Dennis....you can buy it....
Shug

Hi Shug,
Wow, I'm glad you found one. I've assembled at least four of the ARF's for friends and they all flew very well. What are going to power it with? A Brodak .40 would be a good choice as well as the LA .25. The OS .30 four stroke like Keith's another good option. Good luck and I hope to see it fly at the field.

Later,
Mikey