Author Topic: GSCB Vintage Combat festival 9-22-19 (Read 8665 times)

Tom Luciano · « **Reply #100 on:** September 30, 2019, 04:36:14 PM »

Quote from: Andre Ming on September 30, 2019, 08:33:25 AM

So, VCF will be all year long?

Did you mean Sept 30- Oct 1, 2020?

Hm, me thinks it was a high level witticism that I'm wasn't smart enough to ascend thereto.

Andre

My apologies! I should have noted that this is eligibility requirements for the special awards. IE; Blown Fox, and Let the smoke out.

If you are setting your plane up for next years VCF 2020 . In a practice session on Oct. 1, 2019 and if the committee gets word of an incident, say from a whistleblower, you are eligible for the award.
Also, if there are no smoked motors or blown engines you must retain the trophy and polish it daily until someone claims it! Such as Al and myself.

Tom

Andre Ming · « **Reply #101 on:** September 30, 2019, 08:39:49 PM »

Ah HAH! NOW I've got it!

BTW: Is the VCF always the 3rd weekend in September?

Sharon and I have moved attending the VCF to the "Definite Maybe" list for 2020.

Andre

Tom Luciano · « **Reply #102 on:** October 01, 2019, 06:22:06 AM »

Andre,
Good chance it will be but Hamp and Schaef have final word with our district coordinator.

Tom

Andre Ming · « **Reply #103 on:** October 01, 2019, 08:23:54 AM »

Hi Tom!

We're flexible.

Just mentally planning out ahead. (I have a tendency to do that!)

Last night we talked it over and decided to axe the trip out west for next year regardless of VCF, so there shouldn't be any event conflicts. Like I said, looks like it's solidly on the "Definite Maybe" list now.

We shall see!

Andre

Tom Luciano · « **Reply #104 on:** October 02, 2019, 01:17:31 PM »

Dan Banjock on a test flight with the foamie VooDoo!
LA 25 for power

Andre Ming · « **Reply #105 on:** October 02, 2019, 01:37:19 PM »

That flies pretty darn good.

Have you timed it? (If so, how close to 75 MPH?)

Also, are LA 25's still readily available (and parts)?

Andre

Tom Luciano · « **Reply #106 on:** October 03, 2019, 03:04:26 AM »

Andre,
The Foamie VooDoo definitely shows promise! It's a bit fast but, not anything we can't work out. It hasn't had the stuff/Dork test yet but shows great promise for durability. Holding it in my hand it feels like I could also use it as a boogie board in the summer and a snow board in the winter. Think of the value in that!
There is a Combat meet at the end of the month and if all goes as planned I'll have 3 more of the prototypes ready for the guys to test out. Getting it in the hands of more seasoned Combat pilots in matches is the ultimate test.

RE: LA .25 You can still get major components for it at R/C Japan. I bought all the components less P/L but it takes a while to get them. One order sat in customs for 30+ days. I have Gardner P/L's for them. The one used in the video has the Gardner set up as well.

Best,
Tom

Andre Ming · « **Reply #107 on:** October 03, 2019, 07:55:43 AM »

Thanks Tom for the reply.

Like I said: Interesting.

Andre

Jim Damerell · « **Reply #108 on:** October 03, 2019, 08:22:07 AM »

Ringmaster Days and Fun Fly at G.S.C.B. this weekend. Testing over grass welcome! At least one spare Ringmaster available for anyone to log a flight.

Andre Ming · « **Reply #109 on:** October 03, 2019, 09:37:59 AM »

Question:

Japanese Silk of the same weight we used "back in the day" is no longer available, right? I was thinking today's silk that's offered is heavier?

Andre

Tom Luciano · « **Reply #110 on:** October 03, 2019, 11:59:18 AM »

Quote from: Andre Ming on October 03, 2019, 09:37:59 AM

Question:

Japanese Silk of the same weight we used "back in the day" is no longer available, right? I was thinking today's silk that's offered is heavier?

Andre

Andre,
By what Larry tells me, the original Sig was 4mm. My Blitz, I used 4.5mm and dyed it lemon yellow. Last years Super Satan I used 5mm and dyed it Golden yellow. These colors were exact matches to the old Sig. I found no difference in weight after finish between the two. My first Super Satan that Rusty now owns has 8mm pre colored. That was substantially heavier.

Tom

Peter in Fairfax, VA · « **Reply #111 on:** October 03, 2019, 12:12:40 PM »

http://lovasilk.com/guide-to-silk-bedding/momme-weight-explained/

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #112 on:** October 03, 2019, 10:01:39 PM »

The 8mm would be about 13 grams heavier per yard over the 4mm, if I read that website right.
Al

Tom Luciano · « **Reply #113 on:** October 04, 2019, 05:25:33 AM »

Jim V. on a speed stunt run with his original design Double Diamond. Fox 36xBB

jfv · « **Reply #114 on:** October 04, 2019, 08:58:18 AM »

Looks like I did 2 laps between the reverse wingover and the inside loops. Things happen very fast in this event. Could have taken another couple seconds off my time. Next year!

Tom Luciano · « **Reply #115 on:** October 08, 2019, 05:47:46 AM »

Ken and Shawn throwing up some modern fast planes on the back circle!

Andre Ming · « **Reply #116 on:** October 13, 2019, 06:08:31 AM »

Here 'ya go. Straight off the jug.

Andre

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #117 on:** October 13, 2019, 05:00:27 PM »

Recommended by FOX

Andre Ming · « **Reply #118 on:** October 13, 2019, 05:59:05 PM »

Blast = 50% Nitro.

Blast was great stuff. I used the very last can of it in existence at Fox Mfg during the summer of 1970. (I would save it, and use it sparingly, for a timed run.)

Also in the early 1970s Fox Mfg released "Fox 40-40". I think I recall it was 40% nitro, 40% methanol, and 20% oil. It was "legal" for FAI as I recall. It was pretty darn good fuel. I burned a lot of 40-40 during that time.

However, my sentimental favorite is good old "Missile Mist". As a kid I loved the name, loved the purple can, loved the mysterious* purple color, and as I recall, Riley won a National using a Missile Mist powered 36XBB... that was good enough for me!

* That purple color: Upon hiring out at Fox, imagine my disappointment to learn that the purple color was nothing more than dark indigo dye, and had NOTHING to do with what surely must be "secret ingredients" as I supposed. In fact, it wasn't even added for "pizazz". Nope, it was added so it would be easy to tell it apart from Fox Superfuel there at the plant! FWIW: We used Missile Mist as run-in fuel in ALL engines, even Stunt 35's!

A "Blast" legend.

(Disclaimer: This alleged incident was NOT told to me by Duke.)

When Duke introduced "Blast" (early 1960s, I think?), his combat series of engines were about the only engines capable of using it without undue wear/damage. Story goes that the Fox rep at the time went about the combat practice circles at a particular National, offering free (1/2 pint?) sample cans of "Blast". Yup, it was a "Blast" alright... several of the chaps blew rods and even cases in their Torps, Johnson's, etc. That's one way to tilt the odds of getting a Fox powered winner! If I'm not mistaken, this alleged incident was the origin of Larry Scrarinzi's "Blast Trophy" that he presented to Duke that contained one of his blown engine's (Torp? can't remember) on a pedestal along with parts glued to the trophy base. There was also a lop-sided wood propeller mounted on the blown engine with the hand-written tag "Genuine Bill James balanced prop." The "Blast Trophy" sat proudly in the front office on one of the award shelves for the entire time I was associated with Fox Mfg. It disappeared sometime during the mid-90s or so.

Andre

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #119 on:** October 14, 2019, 08:46:03 AM »

Quote from: Andre Ming on October 13, 2019, 05:59:05 PM

* That purple color: Upon hiring out at Fox, imagine my disappointment to learn that the purple color was nothing more than dark indigo dye, and had NOTHING to do with what surely must be "secret ingredients" as I supposed. In fact, it wasn't even added for "pizazz". Nope, it was added so it would be easy to tell it apart from Fox Superfuel there at the plant! FWIW: We used Missile Mist as run-in fuel in ALL engines, even Stunt 35's!

Andre

Hi Andre,
I'm not surprised that you used Missile Mist as break in fuel. I had a couple of tight engines that would sag and lose RPM during break in. I tried Missile Mist and then the engine would run ok. I thought it had something to due with the purple dye acting like a friction reducer, because the piston and inside the case (and everything else it touched) would be coated purple from using the fuel .
Al

Andre Ming · « **Reply #120 on:** October 14, 2019, 06:16:33 PM »

Nope. Nothing special about the purple... simply dye. The purple look you witnesses was likely just residue.

Missile Mist received a lot of bad-mouthing because of it having only 18% castor (as I recall)... but it really was good fuel. Duke DID use very high quality products in his fuel. I don't recall a failure using it.

On a sad note: I ended up with a nearly PERFECT empty gallon can of Missile Mist. (My last gallon that I burned decades ago.) Kept that can for a long time. When we moved here I stored it up in the attic. Many years ago I was up in the attic and noticed the heat/cold had caused it to implode. I was SO sick upon seeing that.

(And mad at myself!

) No way to reasonably replace it. Had it dawned on me that it would do that, all I would have needed to do to prevent it was uncap it and lay the cap on the top of the can. So stupid.

All fer now.

Andre

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #121 on:** October 15, 2019, 10:51:57 AM »

I still have a old quart bottle with the formula

Al

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #122 on:** October 15, 2019, 10:54:38 AM »

I also still have a pint of the original purple brew

Al

Al Ferraro · « **Reply #123 on:** October 15, 2019, 11:00:45 AM »

My favorite fuel cans

Al

Andre Ming · « **Reply #124 on:** October 15, 2019, 12:44:31 PM »

Al:

You're breaking my heart with those cans. I had those, too. (And a really old Missile Mist pint.) Still have the Blast can... but you read the sad story about my gallon MM can. The purple gallon can was my favorite of all.

I also have a bit less than 1/2 gallon of MM left in the plastic jug. Haven't a clue if it's still usable. (The jugs sometimes deteriorated.)

Andre

Peter in Fairfax, VA · « **Reply #125 on:** October 15, 2019, 01:33:37 PM »

Old fuel is most often good. The alcohol does evaporate, a bit, making the nitro and oil content higher.

Andre Ming · « **Reply #126 on:** October 15, 2019, 03:33:04 PM »

Peter:

Your sentiment echoes Duke's about older fuel. He always said it was better fuel after it sat a while.

I've used fuel that's decades old and still seems to perform fine.

Andre

Tom Luciano · « **Reply #127 on:** October 18, 2019, 08:29:54 AM »

motorman,
I don't have a set to let go but there's a clean 36x on ebay for .99 cents right now.

Tom

peabody · « **Reply #128 on:** October 18, 2019, 11:31:24 AM »

It's funny what people want and when.....Ward had about a half dozen empty, but never filled, FOX fuel cans, including Missile Mist. I put them on the board for, like, $5.00. No takers.
Gave two to a couple RC guys and pitched the rest....

Andre Ming · « **Reply #129 on:** October 18, 2019, 06:30:37 PM »

How long ago was that Peabody?

I absolutely do not recall seeing them here. I never check the "for sale" board, though, so if you didn't mention it here or at the Combat forum... it would have slipped by me. I would have purchased one. Oh well!

Andre

peabody · « **Reply #130 on:** October 18, 2019, 07:14:10 PM »

Andre
About 15 months ago

Andre Ming · « **Reply #131 on:** October 18, 2019, 08:36:19 PM »

Well darn.

Good price. Would have been a no-brainer for me.

Andre

Tom Luciano · « **Reply #132 on:** November 15, 2019, 06:11:29 AM »

Just an FYI, I'm already working on next years stuff! If interested, I started a foam VooDoo build thread in the Combat section. Cores are supplied by The Corehouse.

Tom