Author Topic: 2015 NATS Coverage (Read 89083 times)

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #200 on:** July 13, 2015, 02:01:08 PM »

The pilots meeting in progress. The infamous ping pong ball draw for flight order.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #201 on:** July 13, 2015, 02:03:52 PM »

Dan Banjock brought his invisidog to the meeting for companionship.

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #202 on:** July 13, 2015, 02:21:33 PM »

Quote from: Dave_Trible on July 13, 2015, 02:01:08 PM

The pilots meeting in progress. The infamous ping pong ball draw for flight order.

I've met Brett Buck once, and I can recognize him by the back of his head. This is really sad.

Randy Powell · « **Reply #203 on:** July 13, 2015, 02:49:22 PM »

Tim, is that because you are placing well behind him?

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #204 on:** July 13, 2015, 02:58:37 PM »

Group, circle and flight order assignments:

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #205 on:** July 13, 2015, 02:59:11 PM »

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #206 on:** July 13, 2015, 02:59:46 PM »

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #207 on:** July 13, 2015, 03:00:17 PM »

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #208 on:** July 13, 2015, 03:02:39 PM »

Since there are MANY other cameras taking pictures in the appearance judging I'll ask others to provide photos .

Derek Barry · « **Reply #209 on:** July 13, 2015, 04:49:41 PM »

Here is one of our flight line this morning. The second is the author of this thread, Dave, tearing up the sky with a practice flight.

Derek

Derek Barry · « **Reply #210 on:** July 13, 2015, 04:50:57 PM »

Layla drawing flight order for Mr. Rush.

Derek

Derek Barry · « **Reply #211 on:** July 13, 2015, 04:52:37 PM »

Appearance judging...

wwwarbird · « **Reply #212 on:** July 13, 2015, 06:51:16 PM »

Great stuff guys, keep it coming.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #213 on:** July 13, 2015, 07:46:47 PM »

After the pilots meeting about a dozen of us hit Pizza King then made our way back to the field. After the deluge the wind stayed up the rest of the evening so very little happened. Due to the added water ( the pond in front of AMA headquarters is out of its banks and very nearly over flooding the road) the choice was made to hold old time and classic on the LPad using two circles and leaving two for Open practice. With pop up showers in the forecast it could be a long day getting two rounds in but it's far better than the quagmire in the grass.

Matt Colan · « **Reply #214 on:** July 13, 2015, 07:59:31 PM »

I uploaded a bunch of pictures from appearance judging to facebook and I made the album public. Here is the link to it for those who want to look at most of the airplanes. There were four 19 point airplanes, which included Paul Walker's Predator, Gene Martine's SV-11, Kaz Minato's Hellcat, and Todd Lee's Spitfire.

https://www.facebook.com/matthew.colan/media_set?set=a.1014993951878295.1073741839.100001031006601&type=3&pnref=story

wwwarbird · « **Reply #215 on:** July 13, 2015, 08:03:28 PM »

Quote from: Matt Colan on July 13, 2015, 07:59:31 PM

I uploaded a bunch of pictures from appearance judging to facebook and I made the album public. Here is the link to it for those who want to look at most of the airplanes. There were four 19 point airplanes, which included Paul Walker's Predator, Gene Martine's SV-11, Kaz Minato's Hellcat, and Todd Lee's Spitfire.

https://www.facebook.com/matthew.colan/media_set?set=a.1014993951878295.1073741839.100001031006601&type=3&pnref=story

Nobody home there?

Matt Colan · « **Reply #216 on:** July 13, 2015, 08:24:56 PM »

Quote from: wwwarbird on July 13, 2015, 08:03:28 PM

Nobody home there?

Try this link:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.1014993951878295.1073741839.100001031006601&type=1&l=261a9a7bb6

If this works, I will edit my first post

wwwarbird · « **Reply #217 on:** July 13, 2015, 09:02:00 PM »

Looks good Matt, thanks!

Howard Rush · « **Reply #218 on:** July 13, 2015, 09:13:46 PM »

Thanks, Dave. I forgot to get my flight orders.

Tom Niebuhr · « **Reply #219 on:** July 14, 2015, 06:50:27 AM »

I will not go to facebook or tweet. I have had my computer data destroyed by various sites and the risk is too great. Even my external backup has been destroyed. I lost 350 names and addresses. I CANNOT RISK losing my drawing and graphics files and my addresses.

If is not here on Stunt Hanger I will not see it.

Avaiojet · « **Reply #220 on:** July 14, 2015, 07:05:44 AM »

Could one lose appearance points if you didn't have a high gloss Warbird?

Trostle · « **Reply #221 on:** July 14, 2015, 08:53:28 AM »

Quote from: Avaiojet on July 14, 2015, 07:05:44 AM

Could one lose appearance points if you didn't have a high gloss Warbird?

NO!

(But, it did happen once. It was a travesty.)

But that is not the subject of this thread. So keep it that way.

Keith

Avaiojet · « **Reply #222 on:** July 14, 2015, 09:07:58 AM »

Quote from: Trostle on July 14, 2015, 08:53:28 AM

NO!

(But, it did happen once. It was a travesty.)

But that is not the subject of this thread. So keep it that way.

Keith

What was the travesty? The shine or no shine?

Moderator, delete the Post

john e. holliday · « **Reply #223 on:** July 14, 2015, 09:45:51 AM »

Go do a search and keep yourself busy for a couple of days. Now how do we thank all the people keeping us stay at homes updated on the NATS??? I also go read the reports on the AMA sit of NATS News as I like the other events also. Thanks a bunch from the old DOC Holliday.

jose modesto · « **Reply #224 on:** July 14, 2015, 11:30:48 AM »

Group C.the top five will be a real shoot out.
Hate to miss this Nats
Why so light on group A
Jose Modesto

Will Hinton · « **Reply #225 on:** July 14, 2015, 11:40:15 AM »

Quote from: Trostle on July 14, 2015, 08:53:28 AM

NO!

(But, it did happen once. It was a travesty.)

But that is not the subject of this thread. So keep it that way.

Keith

I'm sorry, but the subject of this thread had drifted over to the appearance judging because of the pictures posted and the replies about those so Charles posted a very natural question. Sorry, Mr. Trostle, but your arrogance is out of line. Lighten up and at least try to be decent to this poster. I have observed that he could probably post a compliment to you and you would jump on him even for that.

Randy Cuberly · « **Reply #226 on:** July 14, 2015, 12:11:02 PM »

Quote from: Will Hinton on July 14, 2015, 11:40:15 AM

I'm sorry, but the subject of this thread had drifted over to the appearance judging because of the pictures posted and the replies about those so Charles posted a very natural question. Sorry, Mr. Trostle, but your arrogance is out of line. Lighten up and at least try to be decent to this poster. I have observed that he could probably post a compliment to you and you would jump on him even for that.

Will,
The appearance judging is part of the Nationals which is the subject of this thread. Rules about appearance judging are not.
Charles if you want to know about the incident in question you can start another thread and I will be happy to tell you about it as I'm sure Keith probably will to.

Enough said...back to the NATS subject!

Randy Cuberly

john e. holliday · « **Reply #227 on:** July 14, 2015, 12:14:35 PM »

I just went back and do not find Robert Storicks name listed. Is he there.

Howard Rush · « **Reply #228 on:** July 14, 2015, 12:21:52 PM »

Quote from: jose modesto on July 14, 2015, 11:30:48 AM

Group C.the top five will be a real shoot out.
Hate to miss this Nats
Why so light on group A
Jose Modesto

Doug Moon, Orestes, and Brett you call light?

Avaiojet · « **Reply #229 on:** July 14, 2015, 12:36:30 PM »

I've already been given the 411 on that issue. Info travels fast.

I took a look at the other five pages of the Thread. Lots of unrelated Posts.

I just believe a Warbird looks out of place all shined up and polished.

If there's an issue with topic, we do have Moderators.

Will Hinton · « **Reply #230 on:** July 14, 2015, 12:45:31 PM »

Sorry Randy, but I disagree with you. Appearance judging IS part of the nats. Rules weren't mentioned, and I feel it was a very natural question for someone not in the know to ask.
Seeing those beautiful planes at the 180 building is the premier event to many who may, or may not be there for the first time; and it is quite a spectacle. (sp?) Thus, part of the nats that needs to be highlighted, at least in my opinion and definitely involves appearance points.
For any who may be interested, one year I flew my (very) old Ephesian and had my verry own row there! Yup, it was about 4 feet behind EVERYONE else. I think I got 8 points!

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #231 on:** July 14, 2015, 12:47:40 PM »

Quote from: Howard Rush on July 14, 2015, 12:21:52 PM

Doug Moon, Orestes, and Brett you call light?

There's 11 in A, 16 in B, 17 each in C and D. With 61 entrants, why aren't there three groups with 15 and one with 16?

I'm not going to get into the whole "this is tilted toward <insert image of your paranoia here>" -- because it's obviously tilted toward people who actually showed up as opposed to, say, me. But I am curious why the quantities are not more evenly spread between groups.

Derek Barry · « **Reply #232 on:** July 14, 2015, 12:51:35 PM »

Quote from: Howard Rush on July 14, 2015, 12:21:52 PM

Doug Moon, Orestes, and Brett you call light?

Yep, three walker cup winners. Super light circle.

Derek

jose modesto · « **Reply #233 on:** July 14, 2015, 01:06:11 PM »

No. the quantity of flyers. Not the quality.
Jose Modesto

Brett Buck · « **Reply #234 on:** July 14, 2015, 01:08:41 PM »

Quote from: Tim Wescott on July 14, 2015, 12:47:40 PM

There's 11 in A, 16 in B, 17 each in C and D. With 61 entrants, why aren't there three groups with 15 and one with 16?

I'm not going to get into the whole "this is tilted toward <insert image of your paranoia here>" -- because it's obviously tilted toward people who actually showed up as opposed to, say, me. But I am curious why the quantities are not more evenly spread between groups.

   Because of quantization effects. Extensively discussed here:

   http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,27927.0.html

   Brett

jose modesto · « **Reply #235 on:** July 14, 2015, 01:12:25 PM »

Thanks. Brett
No compirasy from me. just wondered the number of pilot distribution per circle.
Jose

Steve Fitton · « **Reply #236 on:** July 14, 2015, 01:20:09 PM »

The only conspiracy here is why is the wind blowing 100 miles per hour right now

Brett Buck · « **Reply #237 on:** July 14, 2015, 01:31:43 PM »

Quote from: jose modesto on July 14, 2015, 01:12:25 PM

Thanks. Brett
No compirasy from me. just wondered the number of pilot distribution per circle.
Jose

?? Who said there was a conspiracy? I was responding to the post I was responding to, not yours.

Brett

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #238 on:** July 14, 2015, 01:32:33 PM »

Steve is sure right. The best practice flight weather today was David Fitzgerald doing the training flight for the judges at 7:00 am. Went down hill from there. To help with the circle grouping questions one should know these are the advanced and open flyers mixed. There are exactly 11 open class flyers on each circle- balanced unlike a time or two in the past.

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #239 on:** July 14, 2015, 01:39:36 PM »

Quote from: Brett Buck on July 14, 2015, 01:08:41 PM

Because of quantization effects. Extensively discussed here:

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,27927.0.html

Brett

Oh. I never studied quantum mechanics, so I guess it'll be beyond me.

Dave_Trible · « **Reply #240 on:** July 14, 2015, 01:42:29 PM »

To my amazement nobody has mentioned that old time and classic were flown today. I was busy (judging) so didn't get pics. The second round was especially brutal in the wind with most passing. Dan Banjock earned his salary this week with a heroic flight in a hurricane with his Galloping Comedian to finish the flying today.
Bill Werwage won Classic
Mike McHenry won Old Time
Perhaps others can fill in more details.

I made a remark to Brett that never could I have imagined I would be judging a flight on the LPad of Bill Werwage flying an Ares- he told me not to let it go to my head.... Don't think I did.. Was spectacular tho.

Howard Rush · « **Reply #241 on:** July 14, 2015, 01:46:24 PM »

Quote from: jose modesto on July 14, 2015, 01:06:11 PM

No. the quantity of flyers. Not the quality.
Jose Modesto

Quote from: Tim Wescott on July 14, 2015, 12:47:40 PM

There's 11 in A, 16 in B, 17 each in C and D. With 61 entrants, why aren't there three groups with 15 and one with 16?

Sorry, Jose. I misunderstood your question. The reason for the difference in numbers is that Open is on four circles, and Advanced is on three. I think there are 11 Open guys on each group. There are 5 Advanced guys in group B, and 6 in C and D.

jose modesto · « **Reply #242 on:** July 14, 2015, 01:51:17 PM »

Thanks Howard. Go get them Good luck.
Jose

jose modesto · « **Reply #243 on:** July 14, 2015, 01:56:59 PM »

Howard.What effect did the elimination of Expert,have on the number of Advance entries,compared to 2014.
Any increase.?
Jose

Tim Wescott · « **Reply #244 on:** July 14, 2015, 02:11:04 PM »

Quote from: Howard Rush on July 14, 2015, 01:46:24 PM

Sorry, Jose. I misunderstood your question. The reason for the difference in numbers is that Open is on four circles, and Advanced is on three. I think there are 11 Open guys on each group. There are 5 Advanced guys in group B, and 6 in C and D.

All is clear. This is what I get for not attending the pilot's meeting.

Steve Fitton · « **Reply #245 on:** July 14, 2015, 02:17:18 PM »

Bob McDonald and Howard did a super job with the pilots meeting, it seemed to go much faster than some past years.

Howard Rush · « **Reply #246 on:** July 14, 2015, 02:26:09 PM »

Quote from: jose modesto on July 14, 2015, 01:56:59 PM

Howard.What effect did the elimination of Expert,have on the number of Advance entries,compared to 2014.
Any increase.?

I think it's about the same. This thread contains a plot of Advanced and Expert attendance over the years: http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php/topic,38594.0.html

tom brightbill · « **Reply #247 on:** July 14, 2015, 02:39:40 PM »

Paul, Howard, Mark,
We rode through hell and high waters to see you guys. 😁
You did remember to bring my plane?

Tom

Dennis Adamisin · « **Reply #248 on:** July 14, 2015, 02:44:59 PM »

My thanks to Keith Trostle for sponsoring trophies for OTS and Howard Rush for sponsoring trophies for Classic. I got a couple of 3rd places today which the grandkids promptly confiscated.

Keith & Howard, you are sincerely appreciated by this Grinch.

Derek Barry · « **Reply #249 on:** July 14, 2015, 03:37:01 PM »

Quote from: Dennis Adamisin on July 14, 2015, 02:44:59 PM

My thanks to Keith Trostle for sponsoring trophies for OTS and Howard Rush for sponsoring trophies for Classic. I got a couple of 3rd places today which the grandkids promptly confiscated.

Keith & Howard, you are sincerely appreciated by this Grinch.

Congrats on your 3rd places today. I really enjoyed watching your old time plane. It was very impressive! I will try to post some of the pictures I took of it later if I get the time to resize them.

Derek