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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #350 on: February 16, 2012, 11:08:31 AM »
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #351 on: February 16, 2012, 11:25:50 AM »
Well crap. Note to self, never, ever, ever put a fillet on before the silkspan again (slap my hand, I know better than that). I did the fillets on the rudder and sub rudder strake prior to covering. And now I'm have all kinds of issues. Last night I finally gave up trying to patch it and just used a knife, cut the covering all the way down each fillet (4 of them) and peeled up the covering. The used a bit of CA to make sure everything was tacked down tight, sanded and put filler coat all along the area. Will sand that and re-shoot gray ... again. Sheesh!

Maybe I can actually get the thing taped then and shoot the darned white.

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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #352 on: February 17, 2012, 12:10:35 PM »
Good Luck with it Randy!  I know it will come out perfectly.

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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #353 on: February 17, 2012, 09:01:24 PM »
Well, it's white. I decided that with the time lost to fixing the darned fillets, I would just shoot the white and put the trim on and be done with it. I need to print off the decals and tape off for the trim colors but I should have it ready for clear within a week or so. Sheesh, what a pain in the backside.

But the white looks good, though.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #354 on: February 17, 2012, 10:03:28 PM »
 So you did get the fillets fixed up first though?
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #355 on: February 18, 2012, 12:33:20 PM »
Yes, Wayne, I fixed the fillets.   HB~>

I'm heading out to start taping for trim. Luckily, because of the scheme, I can tape the whole thing then just uncover the part I'm painting at the moment. Should make it go faster.

Look, guys, don't expect a complicated paint scheme. I'm mostly copying Donnie's original white scheme. Some changes in color, but the overall scheme will be pretty much the same.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #356 on: February 18, 2012, 02:54:41 PM »
Yes, Wayne, I fixed the fillets.   HB~>

I'm heading out to start taping for trim. Luckily, because of the scheme, I can tape the whole thing then just uncover the part I'm painting at the moment. Should make it go faster.

Look, guys, don't expect a complicated paint scheme. I'm mostly copying Donnie's original white scheme. Some changes in color, but the overall scheme will be pretty much the same.

Randy...As you can see my MINDS EYEBALLS WERE PRETTY PLAIN PLANE AND SIMPLE....however knowing just how talented, beautiful and creative your paints schemes are---TRULY HOPE YOU GO WITH YOUR OWN MINDS EYEBALLS!
Looking forward to seeing another one of your beautiful and original RANDY-DANDY paint schemes! BW@ CLP** CLP** CLP** CLP** HH%%
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #357 on: February 18, 2012, 09:43:51 PM »
 Yeah Randy, I assumed that you fixed the fillets first, but it sounded like it all went pretty quickly.

 Countless times I've been tempted to do fillets before covering, but I think only because by that point I'm just anxious to do them. For some reason I always find doing fillets an enjoyable part of a build. Maybe it's because at that point you know you're getting very close to painting, which I also typically enjoy. However, you can't ever succumb to doing them before covering, you're just setting yourself up for issues. But we all knew that. :##

 Looking forward to some more progress pics... y1
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #358 on: February 18, 2012, 09:58:11 PM »
OK, I lied. Not a complicated scheme, but I changed quite a bit from Don's original. It's taped and partly masked. Should be able shoot trim tomorrow.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #359 on: February 19, 2012, 11:05:53 AM »
OK, I lied. Not a complicated scheme, but I changed quite a bit from Don's original. It's taped and partly masked. Should be able shoot trim tomorrow.
and we are all shocked LOL

seriously,, looking forward to it Randy,
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #360 on: February 19, 2012, 11:35:37 AM »
Talk Pat into it or recruit someone else?
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #361 on: February 19, 2012, 12:59:04 PM »
Thinking, Jessica may go with,,especially since the Sprint cup races in Las Vegas sunday after which is on the way home,, hmm maybe a good stopover LOL
Not for sure, but we are talking about it,,
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #362 on: February 19, 2012, 03:30:59 PM »
Mark,

Cool. I liked to see her again. Maybe you can get her to fly a Ringmaster again.

First trim color is on. I found out something. Finesse Pinstripping tape apparently has a shelf life. The stuff wrinkled up on curves. Not all over, but the adhesive was a bit gummy. So I had to peel up some areas and lay it down again with another tape. Gotta love painting. There's always something.

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OK, it has two colors on it (not counting the base color). More tomorrow.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #363 on: February 19, 2012, 08:38:41 PM »
 A while back I think it was Randy talking about how he had liked the Finesse striping tape, at least at some level. Curious about the stuff I then contacted them and got ahold of their sample pack. It came quickly and was just a few short sections of some double stripe vinyl tape that looked like it would be used for doing the "generic" double pinstripes along fenders on new Buicks and Caddys etc. After looking at it for some reason I just wasn't impressed with the feel of it and I decided to stay with my trusty old blue 3M stuff. Sounds like it was a good decision. Thanks for the heads up Randy. y1
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #364 on: February 19, 2012, 08:51:50 PM »
Wayne,

I like the stuff because it's about the thinnest tape around. Leave almost no ridge. But it doesn't go around curves very well (especially inside curves) and as I've discovered, the adhesive is susceptible to getting gummy over time. Probably my fault as I was using an old roll. I broke out the stuff still sealed in the package and it was fine. A lesson there in making sure it's sealed up between uses. 3M tape is cool because it goes around curves really well, but it's a bit thick and leaves quite a ridge.

I use a lot of different tapes when taping for trim: 3M vinyl tape, the Finesse stuff, some really odd stuff I picked up at the paint shop that is a crepe type tape (like masking tape) with a lacquer edge that leaves a really sharp line and some other various stuff I've picked up along the way. I also use electrical tape because it can be cut into all sorts of shapes and never pulls up paint. I'm getting to the point were I can pick out the right tool for the right job.

Just as a sidenote, I found some stuff for doing masks that works better that Frisket or anything else I've tried. It's an Avery product: 8665. It's a sort of full sheet label stuff. I've been using it for doing stuff like checkerboard. Sticks really well, doesn't pull up paint, seems to be oblivious to clear shot over the top of it and so far hasn't leaked any paint underneath.

This paint scheme is quite different than previous stuff. No colors butt against each other so I was able to tape the whole thing at once, Sort of weird because I shot the first color, covered it up and shot the second color. There's a lot of bleed over the as yet unpainted areas, but it really doesn't matter since those areas will be painted with another color later. Just kinda weird compared to what I usually do, but a lot less labor intensive.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #365 on: February 19, 2012, 09:32:33 PM »
And here's a picture. No snotty comments. They always look odd at this stage.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #366 on: February 20, 2012, 01:20:57 AM »
 Lookin' good from here! I can already see some swoopy "Randyization" in the design too. y1
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #367 on: February 20, 2012, 10:51:52 AM »
WOW!!!RANDY!!!! AWESOME!!! THAT RED SHOULD REALLY "POP!" in bright sunlight or under bright overhead lighting! Again... OUTSTANDINGLY BEEEUUUTEEEFUL "RANDYATION" trim art! CLP** HH%% BW@
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #368 on: February 20, 2012, 11:08:29 AM »
There's a lot of bleed over the as yet unpainted areas, but it really doesn't matter since those areas will be painted with another color later.

But, but -- won't you be able to see it?  Or are those "other colors" going to be something that covers real well?

And here's a picture. No snotty comments. They always look odd at this stage.

It looks fine to me.  Nice color, inasmuch as I can tell after your camera, my screen, and then my partially color-blind eyeballs get done with it.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #369 on: February 20, 2012, 11:14:33 AM »
Tim,

Not really. I used an airbrush for the trim and just try to not get too much paint on the not yet painted areas. Mostly just overspray. Now, if the next trim color was bright yellow or something, then I might cover it up if the previous color was something that might bleed through. But generally not a big deal.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #370 on: February 20, 2012, 11:26:23 AM »
I think Sir Donald Do is starting to get a wet spot in his jammies!!
I see people my age out there climbing mountains and zip lining and here I am feeling good about myself because I got my leg through my underwear without losing my balance

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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #371 on: February 20, 2012, 12:14:13 PM »
I think Sir Donald Do is starting to get a wet spot in his jammies!!

 LL~ LL~ LL~ Starting to?! ;D
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« Reply #372 on: February 20, 2012, 01:17:16 PM »
Hey lay off Donnie. He's just a little guy.   LL~

Here's the next color. Sort of.
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« Reply #373 on: February 20, 2012, 01:28:23 PM »
Yeah, but wheres the fishnets? or lace,, or something,, I mean its white base,, WHITE? sheesh,,
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #374 on: February 20, 2012, 03:17:51 PM »
 Randy,

 Are you using pre-cut masks for this or are you laying it out freehand?
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #375 on: February 20, 2012, 04:22:27 PM »
Wayne,

Well, I'd like to say that I just used the Mark I Eyeball to set it up, but I'm not that good. I used templates to lay it out then marked the wing then used tape then mask. Wish I had one of those fancy mask cutters like Mark, but he's a lot more upscale than me.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #376 on: February 20, 2012, 04:35:52 PM »
Randy,, Psstttt they aint that expensive,, and besides that, I offered to cut your masks for you anytime,,
and I aint so upscale, I just know when to cheat,, LOL
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #377 on: February 20, 2012, 05:18:11 PM »
I make my templates out of file folder or poster board.  Seems to work ok.  I just have to have them able to correct for the 1 1/2"-2" shorter outboard wing on some of the Classic models.

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« Reply #378 on: February 20, 2012, 08:42:03 PM »
Mine were out of very heavy paper.
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« Reply #379 on: February 21, 2012, 12:19:15 PM »
LL~ LL~ LL~ Starting to?! ;D

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« Reply #380 on: February 21, 2012, 03:33:58 PM »
Donaldo:
"Funny pants", yeah.  Them wuz the days.  (Photos from Taft and Elsinore, CA, early '70s.)
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« Reply #381 on: February 21, 2012, 05:44:02 PM »
However in those early daze days...nothing was funnier than the European model magazine photos...TALK ABOUT THE MEN FROM FRANCE N ENGLAND  (ESPECIALLY THE COMBAT AND SPEED CL FLYER PHOTOS...WHO SEEM TO WEAR NO PANTS! WAAAY TOO MUCH INFORMATION...TALK ABOUT  LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ %^
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« Reply #382 on: February 21, 2012, 06:42:33 PM »
You think THAT'S funny, watch this!  Goofy hat and all, 5th Place, Rubber Scale, 1979 Flightmasters Annual at the now-defunct Mile Square site.  (Shirt and hat have since been trashed.)
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« Reply #383 on: February 21, 2012, 09:30:15 PM »
"DONE AFTA' ONE...OL' MAN DONNIE, HUH?  VD~ LL~  In truth...I am truly enjoying the progress of our Randy's beautiful new CLPA Classical Gas Ride for the upcoming season.
Brings back soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo many great memories of those daze days  gone by. when men & their new wives often wore "funny pants" CLP** BW@

 Just tossing in a little opportunistic jab there Donnie, with all due respect. I wish I would've been just a little bit older in what I call the "heyday" of the hobby. In every C/L category, designs from this era are the "real" models as far as I'm concerned. y1
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #384 on: February 21, 2012, 09:50:28 PM »
OK, for you unwashed masses, here it is with pretty much all the paint on. There's some overspray, a couple of spots that I'll have to back mask and reshoot (sigh...) and one spot that I'm having a slight meltdown about, but overall, not too bad. Fairly simple and, I think, effective.
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« Reply #385 on: February 21, 2012, 10:11:50 PM »
Yep, it looks painted LOL
nice job Randy, just enough of "you" to keep it honest
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« Reply #386 on: February 21, 2012, 10:25:38 PM »
 Yep, it's got Randy written all over it. ;D  What are the two little bumps on the nose out in front of the canopy?
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #387 on: February 21, 2012, 10:43:01 PM »
You call it simple, I call it elegant.

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« Reply #388 on: February 21, 2012, 11:00:33 PM »
Yep, I'm happy with it overall. Irritated about a couple of spots. I really need to get better tape.

Wayne: the "bumps" are covers for the uniflow and overflow vents. Made it easy.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #389 on: February 21, 2012, 11:04:23 PM »
 Was just wondering, they add some detail and look kind of cool.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #390 on: February 22, 2012, 12:39:03 AM »
Randys plane has acne,, lol,,
I didnt even notice your nostrils Randy,, interesting,,bet it was fun routing the lines up to that spot huh,,
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« Reply #391 on: February 22, 2012, 03:40:01 AM »
Ohh yes randy you were right.. Very Ted Fancher :)
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #392 on: February 22, 2012, 09:14:42 AM »
Mark,

Actually, that was about the only place I could put them. It's pretty tight in that nose with the 1 3/4" spinner. I couldn't get the vents above the tank anywhere else. And it looks kinda cool.

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Yea, I liked Ted's idea and this was a chance to use it.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #393 on: February 22, 2012, 01:16:52 PM »
I was real cool in my FFdays,late 50's. I am the guy bottom left ;D
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #394 on: February 22, 2012, 01:25:41 PM »
I happen to like that scheme, Randy!  Just don't go too heavy with the clear now........ ;D

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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #395 on: February 22, 2012, 02:31:04 PM »
Ed,

Well, to paraphrase an American Icon, Cool is as cool does.   ;D

Bill,

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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #396 on: February 22, 2012, 02:35:10 PM »
THANKS RANDY! ESPECIALLY for keeping everyone here on STUNT HANGER with timely updating and SHARING SO FREELY  your many years of building and finishing expertise with everyone during this beautiful Classic old  Avenger that I had  designed so quickly waaaaaaaaaaaay back in 1969 just a few weeks after getting back from the Philly Nats!

In those years.....you and everyone else can certainly plain plane to see just how much I was a DEDICATED and ADDICTED STUDENT from THE ROBERT GIALDINI SCHOOL OF CLPA!

After building my first Sting Ray waaay back in 1967 through 1969 and then  After returning from that 69 nats.... I felt it was more  than time to start thinking about a new personal CLPA model  that would still reflect the flight characteristics of Bob's Sting Rays..but would give me a slightly larger sized (with more fuselage aft side area  model that I could still be lucky enough to keep the weight around OR BELOW 5O ounces and also get rid of that Sting Ray trike gear that cost me so many take-off & landing points on rough or grass circles.

 Sadly for me...Those beautiful Sting Rays.. over those years that DICTATED A SMOOOOOOOOOOTH LEVEL EVEN TAKE OFF AND LANDING FLYING AREAS.
Bottom line:
EVEN YEARS LATER I  continued to BOTHA-N-BUG my beloved mentor BOB GIALDINI with soooooooo many late night LONG DISTANT PHONE CALLS! Bob was alway so helpful and encouraging during the AVENGER design daze-faze!
Shortly after the Avenger article appeared....I started  recieving a few crank phone calls telling just HOW SHABBY it seemed  that I chose to not to give more recognition and credit to Gialdini. in my article.
Actually without the good word from folks like Al Rabe, Bob Hunt, and Dave Gierke...n' the family of my long time fellow traveling partner the late Tim Dunlop  (of whom I dedicated this AAM July 74 Avenger article)

 I continued to inform these folks...that my AVENGER  ARTICLE WOULD NEVER HAVE PUBLISHIED!

RANDY & ALSO MARK! AGAIN MY DEEPEST APPRECIATION TO YOUR CHOICE TO GIVE THAT OLD AVENGER CLASSIC....as your new Classic ride for this season!
I AM SOOOO HERKIN' PROUD OF THE BOF' OF YA!

CLEAR SKIES AND HAPPY LANDINGS AND WISH YOU BOTH SUCCESS IN THE NEW CONTEST SEASON AHEAD and PLEASE DON'T WEAR GARB N PANTS LIKE THIS OL' NURSE!
 
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« Reply #397 on: February 22, 2012, 03:08:30 PM »
Don,

If you came to VSC, you could bother Gialdini in person. I'm sure he'd love to see you.
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #398 on: February 22, 2012, 03:27:50 PM »
Don,

If you came to VSC, you could bother Gialdini in person. I'm sure he'd love to see you.

I know he has been there in the past.....I have his phone #!!!!  I will give him a call....(Gary Lestinger and Bob  also addicted me to SAIL BOATS during those days gone by...it would be great to see him?
Take photos for me...huh with you holding that New Avenger of yours?
(Just imagine how beautiful the reflection of the bright sun...off all those ribs will dazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzle n' razzzzzzzzzzzle all those ol' grunts down in SNOW BIRD COUNTRY? H^^
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Re: So it begins - Avenger 35
« Reply #399 on: February 22, 2012, 03:36:06 PM »
Light doesnt reflect off of white NEARLY as nice as it does of gold candy and pearls,,
just sayin,,

still it will be cool to set the pair next to each other for a photo op,,
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