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New classic plane started
« on: April 04, 2016, 10:45:46 AM »
So, after my rather embarrassing episode at VSC, I found myself in need of a new classic plane. So, after perusing my plan collection, settled on a Jerry Worth design. I'm redesigning the structure in the nose to accommodate an electric setup. Hope it works out. I think I picked the most complicated design possible, but I'm simplifying it somewhat. It will look the same externally, but I have to find a way to simplify it to keep the weight down. Sucker has a ton of ribs and I want to figure out how to lighten the structure without compromising the rigidity. What fun.

I finished the trick new crutch yesterday. Man, it is so much easier to sort this stuff out as you are building it as opposed to retrofitting a previously built plane. I'll post a pic later.
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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2016, 12:43:33 PM »
Go to I-Beam wing construction.  A lot of wood in his ribs.   
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2016, 02:00:49 PM »
I'll second what Doc said.  The beamer will be stronger than stock too.
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2016, 07:18:42 PM »
He loves the punishment I believe. LL~ LL~
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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2016, 08:36:18 PM »

 What design is it?
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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2016, 10:12:23 AM »
Sorry, thought I said. Jerry Worth Mirage III. And even with 74 ribs, Jerry's was 48oz. The ribs are 1/16" and I'm talking Pat Johnston into laser cutting them. I've had enough of self-flagellation.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2016, 05:40:43 PM »

 Cool, another good one to watch from the Powellworks.  y1
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2016, 06:03:00 PM »
I was going to email Pat and tell him to refuse to cut all 78 ribs for Randy,, ( just to tease him of course) but then I chickened out,, Dire things can happen when you needle someone who launches you at a contest,, esepcially if your tailwheel strut is soft,, and your prop is a one off,,  S?P
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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2016, 09:04:41 PM »
I haven't been able to get Pat to respond. I may have sent the ribs to the wrong address (I missed the zip code). So, I will send again tomorrow.

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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2016, 09:59:01 PM »
Randy, I think Pat is another road trip to Missouri, or somewhere like that. He checks in occasionally.

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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2016, 10:35:46 AM »
Yea, I've talked to him. Busy guy. We are talking about how to do the ribs. In the mean time, the motor crutch is mostly done and the fuse sides are cut. I'm still working out exactly how I'm going to do some things, but it's coming along. Pics eventually.
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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2016, 09:11:51 AM »
Hi Randy, Look forward to seeing the Mirage.

Consider Polyspan covering and I-beam construction.   It is a fine combination for strength and weight.

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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2016, 09:17:38 PM »
Jim,

I'm going to stick as much as I can with Jerry's original structure. And I still have enough SGM for 2 more planes. After that, I will be using Polyspan.
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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2016, 11:30:02 PM »
Randy...Einhaus was selling "Heavy" silkspan at tonight's meeting, and had a lot left. I don't know if that's "SGM" or what the codes are. We always just bought "Light", "Medium" or "Heavy". I liked "Heavy" for combat models...gave me a bag to haul home the small broken parts in...and it was an unopened bag, too.   y1 Steve
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« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2016, 12:20:42 PM »
Steve,

I can't be there but I'd buy as much as he is willing to sell.
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« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2016, 05:41:41 PM »
OK, a picture. My camera is going south. Maybe I can talk my spouse into letting me use her GoPro.
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« Reply #16 on: April 29, 2016, 11:20:50 AM »
Continuing work on spar. It's a composite and it may have to be done again. We'll see.
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2016, 09:19:30 PM »
Steve, I'd take any of the "heavy" silkspan you have left after Randy gets his.

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« Reply #18 on: May 01, 2016, 09:23:55 PM »
Continuing work on the toad. Ribs are a couple of weeks away. The stab and elevator are built along with the rudder and top block. Probably another 4-5 hours of work then I will be stalled until the ribs get here. Cool.
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« Reply #19 on: May 02, 2016, 10:03:54 AM »
Waiting on laser cut ribs I suppose?    Are we getting lazy? LL~ LL~ LL~
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« Reply #20 on: May 02, 2016, 11:37:02 AM »
Waiting on laser cut ribs I suppose?    Are we getting lazy? LL~ LL~ LL~

with 80 some ribs, I cant say as I blame him for being lazy LOL
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« Reply #21 on: May 02, 2016, 03:24:03 PM »
Not lazy, Doc. Just want them to be accurate and they have a lot of cuts in them.
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« Reply #22 on: May 03, 2016, 01:09:14 PM »
I'm lazy. Yep. But I've been working since last Monday, away from home.
So, I'm not THAT lazy....Just don't have the same time as a retired person.
I love to read everyone's build threads. I've authored a few (sarcasm) on the blog at RCG.

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« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2016, 08:30:30 PM »
So, extended conversation with Pat Johnston tonight and I think we have the ribe worked out. Cool. Fuse, stab, elevators and rudder pretty much done. I get the ribs and I can start assembling. Yay!
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« Reply #24 on: May 12, 2016, 12:21:57 PM »
So, the ribs showed up (thanks, Pat) and look very good. Different than I was expecting so I need to go back and change a couple of things. Such is life. But I'm pretty happy. Assembly should start soon.
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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2016, 10:44:51 PM »
Randy,
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« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2016, 10:36:36 AM »
Gordan,

Not much to show yet. A bunch of pieces partially constructed. But as soon as I finish figuring out the rudder and stab mount (I had an idea on this), I will start assembling and some pics will show up. A few days.
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« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2016, 10:18:15 AM »
OK, so it's been more than a few days. I've been fixing PA planes. I will see if I can get my wife's GoPro to work for taking some pictures. It's coming along.
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« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2016, 10:53:45 AM »
OK, so it's been more than a few days. I've been fixing PA planes. I will see if I can get my wife's GoPro to work for taking some pictures. It's coming along.

LOL youhave a cell phone,k they take small enough pictures
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« Reply #29 on: June 15, 2016, 03:44:43 PM »
Not a good idea to talk about a "new" design from April through June without a single picture. (unless it's a ringmaster, or something everyone knows)
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« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2016, 03:56:02 PM »
Not a good idea to talk about a "new" design from April through June without a single picture. (unless it's a ringmaster, or something everyone knows)
Randy is a tease,
he flew poorly last Sunday to tease me into thinking I had a shot, then he put up a real flight to smash me LOL
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« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2016, 04:52:30 PM »
Yea, yea. I'll post some classic construction pics by the weekend. The PA plane I was fixing was the Slider. It's ready to go again (I think, anyway). The other is an old plane I'm thinking of converting to electric. Sort of depends.
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« Reply #32 on: June 15, 2016, 09:13:22 PM »
OK, so it's been more than a few days. I've been fixing PA planes. I will see if I can get my wife's GoPro to work for taking some pictures. It's coming along.

 I had been wondering about this one lately, but then again it is flying season. ;D
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« Reply #33 on: June 15, 2016, 09:43:57 PM »
OK, here it is. Partly done wing (and going slow) and pieces parts.
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Re: New classic plane started
« Reply #34 on: June 16, 2016, 10:24:16 AM »
what's a go-pro?

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« Reply #35 on: June 16, 2016, 12:02:26 PM »
Really, Ken?
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« Reply #36 on: June 16, 2016, 08:55:51 PM »

 Looks like a really good start! y1
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« Reply #37 on: June 18, 2016, 10:10:09 PM »
I'm sort of freelancing as I go along. Finished the bottom of one will and sort of had to make it up as I went along. Should be pretty good overall. Fun trying to make things fit as I try to convert to electric. Interesting anyway. More pictures to follow.
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« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2016, 11:01:55 AM »
Randy,
 Be sure to stagger you lead out 3 inches and you will never take off with the lines back wards. soon as you pick your handle up you will know the lines are wrong.
Food for thought. That`s what I do.

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« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2016, 11:59:16 AM »
I'm sort of freelancing as I go along. Finished the bottom of one will and sort of had to make it up as I went along. Should be pretty good overall. Fun trying to make things fit as I try to convert to electric. Interesting anyway. More pictures to follow.
I think most glow designs that are being built as or converted to electric, can usually stand to have the bulkhead ahead of the wing LE hollowed out and the LE removed to allow the battery to be part way into the wing, to get the CG where you want it.
I wish I would have done this to my ARF Oriental, but nobody would chime in with a "yay" or "nay" when I posted the question.
So long as it doesn't weaken the wing substantially, you should be good doing that. And building the plane I would think it would be reasonably easy to get that done, especially if the wing is "I Beam" construction.
There should be plenty of room for your E-power gear; there are just too many options of where to mount stuff (IMO), and that becomes the biggest hurdle for me when planning the install.
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« Reply #40 on: July 05, 2016, 03:31:31 PM »
Well, it's coming around. Man, this thing has a lot of ribs. I'm at the almost ready to assemble phase. I'll see if I can dig up a working camera somewhere and post some pics this week.
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« Reply #41 on: July 06, 2016, 08:51:50 PM »
OK, here's a picture. I'm still trying to figure out how to use my spousal units GoPro for pictures. This is the best I can do so far.

All the ribs are in and there were a lot.
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« Reply #42 on: July 07, 2016, 06:46:08 AM »
Dang, that is a lot of ribs!
Looks great!
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« Reply #43 on: July 07, 2016, 10:19:35 AM »
Yea, if you count each strip rib as a rib, there are about 144. Joy.

Glad that part is done.
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« Reply #44 on: July 07, 2016, 11:11:41 AM »
One of the joys of I-Beam wings.  That wingl looks great.
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« Reply #45 on: July 07, 2016, 04:25:02 PM »
Doc,

Yea, can't wait to block it all down. Glad I have a really long T-Bar.
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« Reply #46 on: July 08, 2016, 05:31:42 PM »
OK, the controls are in and the stab is on along with the top block (most of it anyway). Next up is bottom block and nose then rudder and strakes. Fun stuff.
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« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2016, 09:35:10 PM »

 Coming along nicely Randy, looks great! If only it was gonna have a "real" motor.  VD~ HB~> ;D
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« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2016, 10:33:25 PM »
Coming along nicely Randy, looks great! If only it was gonna have a "real" motor.  VD~ HB~> ;D
yeah cause then it would shake and vibrate every one of those 144 riblets loose,, soaks the nose with oil, yep thats the ticket,, planned obsolesence so he has a reason to build more LOL
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« Reply #49 on: July 10, 2016, 08:04:04 PM »
Let me tell you, Worth must have used 2lb balsa. This plane is not going to be a light weight. Should be OK, but it ain't going to be dainty.
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