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Title: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 04, 2016, 10:45:46 AM
So, after my rather embarrassing episode at VSC, I found myself in need of a new classic plane. So, after perusing my plan collection, settled on a Jerry Worth design. I'm redesigning the structure in the nose to accommodate an electric setup. Hope it works out. I think I picked the most complicated design possible, but I'm simplifying it somewhat. It will look the same externally, but I have to find a way to simplify it to keep the weight down. Sucker has a ton of ribs and I want to figure out how to lighten the structure without compromising the rigidity. What fun.

I finished the trick new crutch yesterday. Man, it is so much easier to sort this stuff out as you are building it as opposed to retrofitting a previously built plane. I'll post a pic later.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on April 04, 2016, 12:43:33 PM
Go to I-Beam wing construction.  A lot of wood in his ribs.   
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Dennis Adamisin on April 04, 2016, 02:00:49 PM
I'll second what Doc said.  The beamer will be stronger than stock too.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on April 04, 2016, 07:18:42 PM
He loves the punishment I believe. LL~ LL~
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on April 04, 2016, 08:36:18 PM

 What design is it?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 05, 2016, 10:12:23 AM
Sorry, thought I said. Jerry Worth Mirage III. And even with 74 ribs, Jerry's was 48oz. The ribs are 1/16" and I'm talking Pat Johnston into laser cutting them. I've had enough of self-flagellation.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on April 05, 2016, 05:40:43 PM

 Cool, another good one to watch from the Powellworks.  y1
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on April 05, 2016, 06:03:00 PM
I was going to email Pat and tell him to refuse to cut all 78 ribs for Randy,, ( just to tease him of course) but then I chickened out,, Dire things can happen when you needle someone who launches you at a contest,, esepcially if your tailwheel strut is soft,, and your prop is a one off,,  S?P
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 05, 2016, 09:04:41 PM
I haven't been able to get Pat to respond. I may have sent the ribs to the wrong address (I missed the zip code). So, I will send again tomorrow.

Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Gerald Schamp on April 05, 2016, 09:59:01 PM
Randy, I think Pat is another road trip to Missouri, or somewhere like that. He checks in occasionally.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 06, 2016, 10:35:46 AM
Yea, I've talked to him. Busy guy. We are talking about how to do the ribs. In the mean time, the motor crutch is mostly done and the fuse sides are cut. I'm still working out exactly how I'm going to do some things, but it's coming along. Pics eventually.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Jim Hoffman on April 07, 2016, 09:11:51 AM
Hi Randy, Look forward to seeing the Mirage.

Consider Polyspan covering and I-beam construction.   It is a fine combination for strength and weight.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 07, 2016, 09:17:38 PM
Jim,

I'm going to stick as much as I can with Jerry's original structure. And I still have enough SGM for 2 more planes. After that, I will be using Polyspan.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Steve Helmick on April 12, 2016, 11:30:02 PM
Randy...Einhaus was selling "Heavy" silkspan at tonight's meeting, and had a lot left. I don't know if that's "SGM" or what the codes are. We always just bought "Light", "Medium" or "Heavy". I liked "Heavy" for combat models...gave me a bag to haul home the small broken parts in...and it was an unopened bag, too.   y1 Steve
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 13, 2016, 12:20:42 PM
Steve,

I can't be there but I'd buy as much as he is willing to sell.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 24, 2016, 05:41:41 PM
OK, a picture. My camera is going south. Maybe I can talk my spouse into letting me use her GoPro.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 29, 2016, 11:20:50 AM
Continuing work on spar. It's a composite and it may have to be done again. We'll see.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Gerald Schamp on April 30, 2016, 09:19:30 PM
Steve, I'd take any of the "heavy" silkspan you have left after Randy gets his.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on May 01, 2016, 09:23:55 PM
Continuing work on the toad. Ribs are a couple of weeks away. The stab and elevator are built along with the rudder and top block. Probably another 4-5 hours of work then I will be stalled until the ribs get here. Cool.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on May 02, 2016, 10:03:54 AM
Waiting on laser cut ribs I suppose?    Are we getting lazy? LL~ LL~ LL~
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on May 02, 2016, 11:37:02 AM
Waiting on laser cut ribs I suppose?    Are we getting lazy? LL~ LL~ LL~

with 80 some ribs, I cant say as I blame him for being lazy LOL
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on May 02, 2016, 03:24:03 PM
Not lazy, Doc. Just want them to be accurate and they have a lot of cuts in them.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on May 03, 2016, 01:09:14 PM
I'm lazy. Yep. But I've been working since last Monday, away from home.
So, I'm not THAT lazy....Just don't have the same time as a retired person.
I love to read everyone's build threads. I've authored a few (sarcasm) on the blog at RCG.

Looking forward to your next installment.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on May 06, 2016, 08:30:30 PM
So, extended conversation with Pat Johnston tonight and I think we have the ribe worked out. Cool. Fuse, stab, elevators and rudder pretty much done. I get the ribs and I can start assembling. Yay!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on May 12, 2016, 12:21:57 PM
So, the ribs showed up (thanks, Pat) and look very good. Different than I was expecting so I need to go back and change a couple of things. Such is life. But I'm pretty happy. Assembly should start soon.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Gordon Van Tighem on May 13, 2016, 10:44:51 PM
Randy,
Any pictures?
Gord V
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on May 15, 2016, 10:36:36 AM
Gordan,

Not much to show yet. A bunch of pieces partially constructed. But as soon as I finish figuring out the rudder and stab mount (I had an idea on this), I will start assembling and some pics will show up. A few days.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on June 15, 2016, 10:18:15 AM
OK, so it's been more than a few days. I've been fixing PA planes. I will see if I can get my wife's GoPro to work for taking some pictures. It's coming along.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on June 15, 2016, 10:53:45 AM
OK, so it's been more than a few days. I've been fixing PA planes. I will see if I can get my wife's GoPro to work for taking some pictures. It's coming along.

LOL youhave a cell phone,k they take small enough pictures
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: FLOYD CARTER on June 15, 2016, 03:44:43 PM
Not a good idea to talk about a "new" design from April through June without a single picture. (unless it's a ringmaster, or something everyone knows)
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on June 15, 2016, 03:56:02 PM
Not a good idea to talk about a "new" design from April through June without a single picture. (unless it's a ringmaster, or something everyone knows)
Randy is a tease,
he flew poorly last Sunday to tease me into thinking I had a shot, then he put up a real flight to smash me LOL
so yeah, he likes to tease
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on June 15, 2016, 04:52:30 PM
Yea, yea. I'll post some classic construction pics by the weekend. The PA plane I was fixing was the Slider. It's ready to go again (I think, anyway). The other is an old plane I'm thinking of converting to electric. Sort of depends.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on June 15, 2016, 09:13:22 PM
OK, so it's been more than a few days. I've been fixing PA planes. I will see if I can get my wife's GoPro to work for taking some pictures. It's coming along.

 I had been wondering about this one lately, but then again it is flying season. ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on June 15, 2016, 09:43:57 PM
OK, here it is. Partly done wing (and going slow) and pieces parts.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Ken Burdick on June 16, 2016, 10:24:16 AM
what's a go-pro?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on June 16, 2016, 12:02:26 PM
Really, Ken?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on June 16, 2016, 08:55:51 PM

 Looks like a really good start! y1
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on June 18, 2016, 10:10:09 PM
I'm sort of freelancing as I go along. Finished the bottom of one will and sort of had to make it up as I went along. Should be pretty good overall. Fun trying to make things fit as I try to convert to electric. Interesting anyway. More pictures to follow.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Gordan Delaney on June 25, 2016, 11:01:55 AM
Randy,
 Be sure to stagger you lead out 3 inches and you will never take off with the lines back wards. soon as you pick your handle up you will know the lines are wrong.
Food for thought. That`s what I do.

Gordy
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on June 25, 2016, 11:59:16 AM
I'm sort of freelancing as I go along. Finished the bottom of one will and sort of had to make it up as I went along. Should be pretty good overall. Fun trying to make things fit as I try to convert to electric. Interesting anyway. More pictures to follow.
I think most glow designs that are being built as or converted to electric, can usually stand to have the bulkhead ahead of the wing LE hollowed out and the LE removed to allow the battery to be part way into the wing, to get the CG where you want it.
I wish I would have done this to my ARF Oriental, but nobody would chime in with a "yay" or "nay" when I posted the question.
So long as it doesn't weaken the wing substantially, you should be good doing that. And building the plane I would think it would be reasonably easy to get that done, especially if the wing is "I Beam" construction.
There should be plenty of room for your E-power gear; there are just too many options of where to mount stuff (IMO), and that becomes the biggest hurdle for me when planning the install.
Best of lust with the rest of the build!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 05, 2016, 03:31:31 PM
Well, it's coming around. Man, this thing has a lot of ribs. I'm at the almost ready to assemble phase. I'll see if I can dig up a working camera somewhere and post some pics this week.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 06, 2016, 08:51:50 PM
OK, here's a picture. I'm still trying to figure out how to use my spousal units GoPro for pictures. This is the best I can do so far.

All the ribs are in and there were a lot.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on July 07, 2016, 06:46:08 AM
Dang, that is a lot of ribs!
Looks great!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 07, 2016, 10:19:35 AM
Yea, if you count each strip rib as a rib, there are about 144. Joy.

Glad that part is done.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on July 07, 2016, 11:11:41 AM
One of the joys of I-Beam wings.  That wingl looks great.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 07, 2016, 04:25:02 PM
Doc,

Yea, can't wait to block it all down. Glad I have a really long T-Bar.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 08, 2016, 05:31:42 PM
OK, the controls are in and the stab is on along with the top block (most of it anyway). Next up is bottom block and nose then rudder and strakes. Fun stuff.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on July 08, 2016, 09:35:10 PM

 Coming along nicely Randy, looks great! If only it was gonna have a "real" motor.  VD~ HB~> ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on July 08, 2016, 10:33:25 PM
Coming along nicely Randy, looks great! If only it was gonna have a "real" motor.  VD~ HB~> ;D
yeah cause then it would shake and vibrate every one of those 144 riblets loose,, soaks the nose with oil, yep thats the ticket,, planned obsolesence so he has a reason to build more LOL
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 10, 2016, 08:04:04 PM
Let me tell you, Worth must have used 2lb balsa. This plane is not going to be a light weight. Should be OK, but it ain't going to be dainty.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 11, 2016, 09:08:14 PM
Working on the bottom block. Plane is flipped over and still in the jig. Hope to have it hanging in the air in the next couple of days. It's coming along.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on July 11, 2016, 10:43:52 PM
Go, Randy, go.
Post more pictures if you can.
R,
Chris
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 23, 2016, 01:39:46 PM
Ty,

When I built the Avenger, Don Shultz told me that his original weighed 44oz. I worked my butt off to make that plane light. Ended up coming in at 47oz. Told Donnie and he laughed his butt off. Said his actually weighed about 55oz but he told everyone it was 44. Figures.

Here's another pic. The wing LEs and tips are rough shaped. About ready to take it off the jig and do the nose. The rudder is just sitting there. Not attached.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on July 23, 2016, 02:13:14 PM
Ty,

When I built the Avenger, Don Shultz told me that his original weighed 44oz. I worked my butt off to make that plane light. Ended up coming in at 47oz. Told Donnie and he laughed his butt off. Said his actually weighed about 55oz but he told everyone it was 44. Figures.

Yeah I got the same story from him, lol, what a goof, sure will miss him
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on July 23, 2016, 03:04:28 PM
Beautiful airframe, Randy!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on July 23, 2016, 10:16:30 PM

 Lookin' great! y1
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on July 23, 2016, 10:40:47 PM
Randy, that thing is so awesome, I cannot wait to see it on the flightline, LOVE the ribs
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 24, 2016, 02:05:06 PM
I didn't love them much. Since they are strip ribs, there are 152. And 1/16" at that. Ugh. But it's done. It's interesting anyway.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 24, 2016, 08:52:02 PM
Didn't get as much done today. Had a long honey do list. Such is life.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mike Keville on July 24, 2016, 09:17:25 PM
yeah cause then it would shake and vibrate every one of those 144 riblets loose,, soaks the nose with oil, yep thats the ticket,, planned obsolesence so he has a reason to build more LOL

=====================================
Better than a battery fire, for sure!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on July 24, 2016, 11:25:14 PM
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Better than a battery fire, for sure!

I certainly cannot argue that point!!!
especially once that dope got warmed up, oh boy what  a fire that would be
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 25, 2016, 12:12:52 PM
Haven't had a battery fire yet, though I thought Mark might have one the way his battery puffed up at Roseburg. That was fun. Cycled out those old Zippys yet?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on July 25, 2016, 01:44:43 PM
I don't know why folks would buy HK batteries when the prices of TP are now so low when they have their holiday sales. It no longer makes sense to me. The TP batteries seem to be even better than the Hyperions, they ship fast and free over I think $50, and have a 2 year non-crash warranty.
I think they will replace crash damaged batteries for 50% of the non-sale purchase price too.
And their prices on the ProLites have come down.
I likely will not bother buying anything else.
Just my opinion.

AND they are LIGHTER!

About the only downside is that they come without a plug. I can solder, and I hate cutting off an existing plug anyhow.

Vr,
Chris
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on July 25, 2016, 01:47:45 PM
I don't know why folks would buy HK batteries when the prices of TP are now so low when they have their holiday sales. It no longer makes sense to me. The TP batteries seem to be even better than the Hyperions, they ship fast and free over I think $50, and have a 2 year non-crash warranty.
I think they will replace crash damaged batteries for 50% of the non-sale purchase price too.
And their prices on the ProLites have come down.
I likely will not bother buying anything else.
Just my opinion.

AND they are LIGHTER!

About the only downside is that they come without a plug. I can solder, and I hate cutting off an existing plug anyhow.

Vr,
Chris
because, they are much less than half the price. THey are functional and for the packs I use, I can buy 5 packs for the price of ONE TP pack
but each to their own. I plan to migrate to TP this fall but first I invested my battery budget in a more robust charging system
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 25, 2016, 05:19:36 PM
I like the Wild Scorpion batteries.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on July 25, 2016, 06:02:46 PM
 I like these...  ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on July 25, 2016, 07:10:56 PM
because, they are much less than half the price. THey are functional and for the packs I use, I can buy 5 packs for the price of ONE TP pack
but each to thenoir own. I plan to migrate to TP this fall but first I invested my battery budget in a more robust charging system
Mark-
Their pricing came down. A lot.
I'm doubting that during a sale ( about 6 times a year) that you can buy TWO of the HK batteries with shipping, for the cost of one TP battery. Check the TP website and you'll see what I mean.
The 4s batteries for my plane are less than $30, if memory serves me, when on sale. That's pretty reasonable for a quality pack out of Las Vegas. One that you can redeem a warranty on easily.
I'm a penny pincher, but I'm sold.
Check the link, a 4s2200 is $33. Their minimum sale is 25% off, that's about $24.... unless you can get the zippy 4s for $12, your statement doesn't hold water, sir.
http://www.thunderpowerrc.com/Products/2200-mAh/TP2200-4SPX25

http://www.hobbyking.com/mobile/viewproduct.asp?idproduct=21347

R,
Chris
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on July 25, 2016, 09:26:37 PM
Chris,
I dont disagree with your perspective and more so where and how you spend your money, however when I sent my money in, what I stated was true. I bought 5 ^6S 2700 batteries for 100$ ( Hobby King has sales too my friend) the TP at that time were over 125$
in the months since I bought mine prices may have changed,
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 29, 2016, 08:06:22 PM
Back on topic: I'm taking off tomorrow for a 10 day vacation so no work until then. More pics when I get more done.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on July 29, 2016, 10:11:18 PM
Safe travels to you and yours. Sorry for the debate on your build thread.
Looking forward to seeing more progress later.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on August 11, 2016, 09:27:55 PM
Back to grinding the nose. Joy.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on August 12, 2016, 07:49:26 AM
Make some dust Randy! Just don't breathe it....
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on August 16, 2016, 04:42:54 PM
I'm fitting the electrics bay right now. As always, it's tight in there. Once that's done and I finish up the nose, I'll post some pictures.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Russell on August 16, 2016, 06:13:26 PM
Question glues used. I see a bottle of CA in some the photos is that what is being used for most of the build?

I built a number of RC planes a few years ago with CA and seemed to work well and be very strong, just not very sandable.

How would a glue like TiteBond do?

Sorry for the slight departure I like your plane a lot and at the same time if money can be saved and fumes avoided I'm all for it.

Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on August 17, 2016, 11:53:32 AM
I use a lot of adhesives. Mostly thin and medium CA. Some epoxy and even a bit of Titebond. Kinda depends on the application. Nothing wrong with Titebond other than the additional weight and drying time.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on August 24, 2016, 02:44:17 PM
Still futzing with fiddly bits in the nose. I think I have it worked out.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on September 08, 2016, 08:18:56 PM
Still futzing with fiddly bits in the nose. I think I have it worked out.

 Are the fiddly bits futzed yet?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on September 11, 2016, 09:35:41 PM
Hey, Wayne.

Been spending all my time working on the house (since the weather has been cooperating). Hopefull, I can get back to it in the next few days. Life interferes.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on September 11, 2016, 09:50:31 PM

 10-4, just checking in. ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on September 18, 2016, 09:12:29 PM
OK, just for Wayne, some pics of actual progress.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on September 18, 2016, 11:05:26 PM

 Whew, looks like the old Powell parts count I remember from a while back. Cool! ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on September 19, 2016, 12:03:57 PM
The little wart on the nose, originally for the uniflow vent (and on the plans) will now house the start button for the timer. Fun plane, but way over complicated. And just about framed up. The canopy is just sitting on there. Some detail sanding on the tail, cockpit and canopy, attach the "hood" over the canopy as on the plans, shape the flaps and elevators and mount them then the horrible job of doing the wheelpants and finally figuring out how to mount the nose wheel and I might be about to start finishing this toad.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on September 19, 2016, 09:54:21 PM

 Yeah Randy, you're almost done!  :##   
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on September 19, 2016, 10:22:58 PM
Yeah Randy, you're almost done!  :##   
almost done starting?
having done a servicable finish on an I beam type wing, I certainly appreciate the task ahead, sanding my avenger wing was 40 hours every time I put a coat on! and The Avenger only has half the ribs to sand between,, this thing will be awesome if Randy can have the time to do it justice like he is capable of,, this will be sweet
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on September 26, 2016, 01:37:59 PM
Not much work on it. Continuing to pressure wash and paint. It's taking up my every waking hour not spent at work. Joy.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: RogerGreene on September 26, 2016, 06:28:43 PM
Randy,

Since it has a nose gear, the remaining landing gear, is it mounted in the wing or on the fuselage? In the photos I didn't see any way to mount it on the back of the I-Beam.
Just curious.

By the way nice looking.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on September 27, 2016, 11:58:00 AM
It's a trike with a wing mounted main gear and nose wheel. The wing part wasn't too tough. The original just bolted the gear wire to the spar. I worked out a removable setup. Just gear blocks and a plywood frame that mounted to the spar with a small balsa fairing around it. Still trying to figure out how to build a nose wheel mount that doesn't interfere with battery access. But I'll figure it out. It's supposed to rain most of the weekend here so I'm hoping for some shop time. We'll see.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Chris McMillin on September 29, 2016, 12:28:29 PM
Over complication was the 60's way, man! 40 appearance points.
Chris...
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on September 30, 2016, 10:30:52 PM
Well, pressure washing is mostly done for this season. Supposed to rain all day tomorrow so I can spend all day in the shop. Rock on.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on October 01, 2016, 09:19:16 PM
Let me call your wife,  I would bet she has some odd jobs to do. LL~ LL~ LL~
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 03, 2016, 02:52:38 PM
Doc, the honey-do list is long, but I'm avoiding it at the moment. The rear of the fuse is finally sanded and fared. Looks pretty good though I suspect not kicking that point on the fuse is going to be a chore. The nose gear is done. Now I'm working out a way over-complicated cowl arrangement (because of the nose wheel, it has to be in two parts). Once that's done and I finish building the arming system, I'll try to assemble all the various parts of the nose, see what doesn't fit or work (though they've all be in there individually) the shape the control surfaces (they are built) and build the wheelpants. That should all be done in the next couple of weeks (with time taken out to head to a contest in Salem, Oregon). Then, hopefully if all goes well, I can start finishing the beast.

I finally managed to secure a very bad picture of the original Mirage III. Far as I can tell, there is only one. The paint appears to be mostly the same as the Mirage II but with red on top instead of blue and a few different flairs. That's probably what I will go with. Should be fun.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 15, 2016, 09:36:40 PM
OK, the hatches on the bottom are about done. A bit of blocking and I will post a picture. Then we'll have to see if all the electrical stuff fits in the front ... at the same time. It's all been fitted individually. The it's onward and upward.

Picks tomorrow, maybe.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on October 15, 2016, 10:01:42 PM

 Glad to hear you're back on it Randy. Starting to think about building season here in Minnesota, next up is another twin.  VD~
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 17, 2016, 11:33:57 AM
Well, finished the hatches except final fitting. Tried to put all the electrics in and of course it doesn't fit. So it's back to the drawing board to figure it out. Too much wire. Have to think on it a bit. And I also realized that I buried the timer under everything. It will make it a pain when first setting it up. Joy. May leave it floating in the bottom of the cowl until I have it sorted.

There is just not that much room in there. But I'll figure it out eventually.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on October 17, 2016, 08:48:32 PM

 I bet there's room in there for a 5 or 6 ounce tank.  D>K
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 18, 2016, 02:04:34 PM
4oz. At most. But I figured out a fix. It will be weird but it will work.

Later: Glad I didn't use my original idea. I figured out an elegant fix. That's why when I have a problem with something, I, well, mull. An answer usually presents itself. Just have to change the way you look at a problem. Cool.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on October 19, 2016, 07:17:07 PM
That's why when I have a problem with something, I, well, mull. An answer usually presents itself. Just have to change the way you look at a problem. Cool.

 Agreed. I find that during building season, mulling accounts for a lot of sleep loss.

 Carry on Randy... ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 22, 2016, 10:39:14 PM
Still struggling getting the electrics to fit. But i'm close. Joy.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 23, 2016, 07:12:32 PM
Ok, it all fits now (and that took some inventiveness). And I got the hatches fitted pretty well. Now it's on to the control surfaces and wheel pants then final sanding and it's on to the finish. Joy.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on October 23, 2016, 09:38:05 PM
good on ya Randy,,

I am still fitting stuff into the new build room,, and finding homes, and trying to Keep Jackson from getting into stuff,, lol soon I should be able to get back to making balsa shavings
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 23, 2016, 10:34:53 PM
Man, I've never had so much trouble fitting stuff into a space. But I finally got it. And it's complicated. Hope I don't have to get to the timer too much. It will be a pain.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 25, 2016, 03:18:30 PM
Here's a quick pic of the nose with hatches fitted. There is a front and back hatch. One to access the motor the other for the battery. They lock together. And the nose gear. That was a pain.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on October 25, 2016, 07:19:38 PM
 Is there a hot air exit?

 
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on October 25, 2016, 11:44:46 PM
Is there a hot air exit?

I so want to comment on this, SO SO badly,, but it would be undignified to say something like " yeah its right under his nose"

right,,
that would be innapropriate and non politically correct?

but it would be funny,

Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on October 25, 2016, 11:45:59 PM
but , I have to be serious, the new bird is looking awesome Randy,, if you need some mental therapy when you start sanding the wing, feel free to call HB~> D>K
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 26, 2016, 10:23:31 AM
Wayne.

No, there is not exit yet. You are not going crazy. I have several I'm putting in. One in the bottom, 2 in the top. Just haven't go there yet. I'm designing a vent in the top that will also allow me to get to the timer without taking the entire thing apart. We'll see on that.

Do the vents, build the wheel pants and gear. finish the control surfaces and it's on to finish. Finally.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on October 26, 2016, 10:12:50 PM
Is there a hot air exit?

 Ha, you know that moment when you realize you just said something out loud? Right after I hit the button on that one I was thinking Ty might show up, or Beavis...  ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Steve Helmick on October 28, 2016, 06:39:51 PM
Looks like I'm too late, but the Pathfinder LE is said to have the nose gear mounted into the cowling. Gordan and John say it works fine....and they fly off grass. Post more pictures, Randy!  y1 Steve 
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 30, 2016, 12:10:17 AM
I've been working on fiddly bits. Finally figured out how to place the timer so I can actually get to it for programming. And worked out the vents for the nose and have them most built. Will finish up tomorrow and take some pics. Just for Steve.

This thing has been a major pain in the back side. But I think I'm finally getting on top of it and can move on to the wheel pants and finishing the control surfaces. Hopefully tomorrow for some of this.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 30, 2016, 07:35:45 PM
OK, Walter, here are the vents. Started on the cockpit and wheel pants. Fiddly bits.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on October 30, 2016, 10:50:40 PM
Its looking reall good Randy. Cant wait to see how it finishs out.
lots of corners to sand. LOTS of corners.. and being how diligent you are I see you gave yourslef a bunch more corners to sand with all those portholes ,,
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 31, 2016, 11:40:36 AM
Took a bit to figure out positioning so that air could get in there. And yes, sanding it will be fun. Need to round all those ribs so that I don't sand through when sanding it down for paint. Joy.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Clint Ormosen on October 31, 2016, 12:20:25 PM
Looks nice and clean. I like that. Can't wait to see it painted.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 31, 2016, 10:08:31 PM
Clint, baring something unforeseen, It will be at VSC. I'm going for the best I-Beam.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Clint Ormosen on October 31, 2016, 11:34:16 PM
Clint, baring something unforeseen, It will be at VSC. I'm going for the best I-Beam.

Right on. I'll let you have it this year. I'll go for it next year.  LL~
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 02, 2016, 02:27:46 PM
 ;D

If I can get it done.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on November 02, 2016, 08:32:43 PM
Clint, baring something unforeseen, It will be at VSC.

 You'd better be sanding by next week then. :##
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 02, 2016, 09:44:09 PM
Wayne,

Just have to finish the landing gear and the control surfaces and it's finish time.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Clint Ormosen on November 02, 2016, 11:23:04 PM
Wayne,

Just have to finish the landing gear and the control surfaces and it's finish time.

You'll probably be finished before me and the Sabre. Seems when I have time to paint, the weather is bad. Of course when I'm at work, it's perfect painting weather. Gads!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 03, 2016, 03:10:39 PM
Speaking of that, I'm having some second thoughts on the paint scheme. I was looking through some old pics (of planes I built a long time ago) and saw one that I thought, hmmm, that would look really cool on the Mirage. We'll see.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 07, 2016, 04:28:01 PM
I hate doing cockpits. This one is going to be, uh, minimalist. But Raphael will be the pilot.   ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 09, 2016, 12:16:10 PM
Just realized they changed the dates for VSC. As such, looks like I won't be going after all. I have reservations at a time share we belong to and there is not space for the earlier week (you have to get reservations like 9 Months before). So, cancelled the reservations I had and was put on a waiting list for the new week. If something comes open, then I'll go, if not the Oh Well.

Sigh.....

Shame they decided to change the week.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on November 09, 2016, 01:16:45 PM
well then Randy, time to start planning for the NATS
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 09, 2016, 03:43:15 PM
Truth is, without the VSC goad, I may just put this in the rack (after I finish the airframe) and start on my new PA plane. Kinda itching to get it started. But we'll see.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on November 09, 2016, 06:56:28 PM

 There's gotta be an alternative. Isn't there usually a VSC host hotel? Other hotel/motels?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 10, 2016, 10:09:23 AM
Wayne, It's, ah, complicated. Since they had to change the dates, I don't really have an option.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on November 10, 2016, 12:15:01 PM
Again from another post,  why the change in dates?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: TigreST on November 11, 2016, 03:04:58 AM
Still struggling getting the electrics to fit. But i'm close. Joy.

We don't fly electric's in Ontario Canada.  Hydro rates are so high we can't afford to recharge the batteries!  It's only a matter of time before the carbon credits put our internal combustion systems out to pasture too! HB~>  Sure glad we've got legalized pot grow ops #^

Good luck with the new bird Randy.  I love watching your stuff come together.

Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 11, 2016, 11:02:55 AM
John,

Well, it seems that they had trouble booking the banquet hall. But I was told that the dates were set way back (like July). I just must have missed it. The original dates (I thought) were the second full week in March but it is the 1st full week. I suspect that this was just a misunderstanding. So, I won't be there. That's OK
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on November 11, 2016, 02:43:12 PM
What VSC's I attended they always announced the dates for the next year.  Some how always coincided with the school spring break.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 14, 2016, 04:04:52 PM
Doc,

I suspect, as I said, it was just a misunderstanding. I'll look to attending next year perhaps. Such is life.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Clint Ormosen on November 14, 2016, 10:24:29 PM
Doc,

I suspect, as I said, it was just a misunderstanding. I'll look to attending next year perhaps. Such is life.

Well, this just sucks. On top of not having Randy there this year it means that if I build an I beam ship next year, I'll have to compete against him for the award. That's no Bueno. I got no chance against his models.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on November 15, 2016, 11:03:31 AM
Come on Clint I was there when you got the beauty award.  .  I think that was your first VSC.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Clint Ormosen on November 15, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
Come on Clint I was there when you got the beauty award.  .  I think that was your first VSC.


It was my second VSC and the competition was light.  LL~
Having to compare one of mine vs. one of Randy's isn't much of a contest.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on November 15, 2016, 08:19:41 PM


It was my second VSC and the competition was light.  LL~
Having to compare one of mine vs. one of Randy's isn't much of a contest.

 I say go for it anyway Clint. Do you have a certain 'beamer in mind?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Clint Ormosen on November 15, 2016, 09:09:50 PM
I say go for it anyway Clint. Do you have a certain 'beamer in mind?

Yes, I do. But not ready to disclose such info on an open forum just yet.  n1

But we're thread jacking here. Back to Randy's plane!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on November 15, 2016, 09:53:06 PM
But we're thread jacking here. Back to Randy's plane!

 Yep, back to our regularly scheduled programming... ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on November 17, 2016, 11:30:48 AM
Hey Clint go for the triple:  I-Beam award,   Sheeks High score award and the Best appearing Sheeks award.   I think all of Jacks designs were I-Beam. H^^
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 18, 2016, 11:54:09 AM
Clint is way, way too modest. His Tempest was awesome.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on November 18, 2016, 12:24:42 PM
Clint is way, way too modest. His Tempest was awesome.
I agree
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on November 18, 2016, 06:14:22 PM
Clint is way, way too modest. His Tempest was awesome.

 I only ever saw a couple photos but I thought it looked really good too.  y1

Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 25, 2016, 07:00:09 PM
OK, the canopy is on. Put the fillet on but it's pretty sloppy. Will take some grinding but should be fine in the end.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on November 25, 2016, 07:10:30 PM
how about emailing me a few hi res pictures for my column Randy,,

PLEASE
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 26, 2016, 03:43:09 PM
I'll see what I can do.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 29, 2016, 11:52:56 AM
So, the filler is ground down and here's a shot of pieces parts underway. It's moving along anyway.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on November 29, 2016, 12:59:44 PM
sexy Randy,,

really nice so far,,
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Tom Luciano on November 29, 2016, 05:41:52 PM
Very Cool!!!!

Tom
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on November 29, 2016, 05:48:41 PM

 Lookin' great Randy.  y1

 'Spose we could see a step-by-step on the wheel pant assembly as you progress? I've often wondered about the cleanest/best way to go about doing them, including wheel retention methods etc.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 30, 2016, 05:33:11 PM
Wayne,

I'm doing this the simplest way possible. My PA Plane has a slick system where the wheel pants are removable and the removal system is also the retention system. Works great but is pretty work intensive to build. This plane is done the old fashion way. Wheels are soldered on with washers and the wheelpants will be retained using some soldered brackets and glue. Permanent. Probably foolish if I need to change out a wheel, but the easiest method.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on November 30, 2016, 05:52:05 PM
Wayne,

I'm doing this the simplest way possible. My PA Plane has a slick system where the wheel pants are removable and the removal system is also the retention system. Works great but is pretty work intensive to build. This plane is done the old fashion way. Wheels are soldered on with washers and the wheelpants will be retained using some soldered brackets and glue. Permanent. Probably foolish if I need to change out a wheel, but the easiest method.

 10-4. I'd stiil be interested in seeing a how-to on the removable system, someday.

 With using the foamie wheels on this one, you might want to just make two sets now then.  S?P :##
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on November 30, 2016, 05:58:47 PM
10-4. I'd stiil be interested in seeing a how-to on the removable system, someday.

 With using the foamie wheels on this one you might want to just make two sets now then.  S?P :##
removable landing gear, my specialty,,I have removed a few sets of gear,,

oh wait, you mean other than scraping them off on the ground removable,, hmm
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 01, 2016, 02:03:13 PM
Wayne, I suspect that they will hold up OK. But if they get too worn down, I'll just build another set.

Yes, Mark, you are very good a scrapage.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 02, 2016, 11:12:42 PM
Well, my first shot at a hood didn't work, try again tomorrow.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 11, 2016, 05:05:16 PM
So, here's the thing with the hood. Not sure I like it much, but that's what's on the plans. Gonna be a pain to paint it. But should be OK when done.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on December 11, 2016, 08:28:21 PM

 Hmm. I wasn't sure what you were getting at when you mentioned the "hood" earlier. If anyone can make it look good it'll be you Randy, but I'm not envious of that task.  D>K
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on December 11, 2016, 09:16:58 PM
All I can say Randy is, it might be a good thing you are not planning on VSC this year, there is a LOT of contours to sand on that beast not to mention the wing,,
It will certainly be a unique addition to the fleet,,
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 12, 2016, 02:39:13 PM
I think Jerry Worth was a closet masochist.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on December 13, 2016, 11:02:53 AM
What better way to pass time than to put on your favorite music on the stereo and start sanding plus a full pot of black coffee.   D>K
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 14, 2016, 11:16:11 AM
Doc, I either put on music, listen to an audio book or put a ball game on in the background - just to keep me company.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Chris McMillin on December 14, 2016, 02:36:53 PM
I think Jerry Worth was a closet masochist.

Art Adamisin said Jerry had about 5 tools! He designed some of my favorite models, Apertyx, Electra X-35, Boeing P-26 Scale model and the Top Flite P-51D Mustang Scale kit.
Chris...
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on December 26, 2016, 06:42:22 PM

 Where's Randy?  ???
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on December 26, 2016, 10:40:39 PM
Where's Randy?  ???
You dont want to know,, lets just say He isnt dealing with snow at the moment,, though he will when he gets home..
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on December 27, 2016, 06:28:00 PM
You dont want to know,, lets just say He isnt dealing with snow at the moment,, though he will when he gets home..

 Ahh yes, I do think I recall him mentioning plans for a bit of globetrotting. Oh to have that life of a Rock Star...
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 03, 2017, 11:37:57 AM
So, I'm back from 2 weeks in the sun and sand. And it's freezing, of course. More so because I got used to 82F.

So, it will be back to the Worth-mobile.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 14, 2017, 07:00:56 PM
OK, so I think I need a new scale. I weighed the plane below as you can see it. 2 or 3 gear and the mount for the bench on the front. I know it weighs about 3oz. The scale says the plane weighs 11oz. Either I'm the lightest builder in history or the scale is off. I'm betting on the the scale being off.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on January 14, 2017, 09:41:58 PM
Its looking pretty good, and boy I am impressed with that weight,,

maybe let me know what it is after you change the battery in the scale... although one scale I had did that and I found a shaving curl of balsa under the table,,
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on January 14, 2017, 09:55:08 PM
That would do it! Pesky balsa shavings!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on January 14, 2017, 10:23:31 PM

 Can I borrow that scale?  ;D

 Lookin' good Randy.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 21, 2017, 07:25:04 PM
New scale and with all three gear, well, it's not 7oz. Shame, that.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on January 21, 2017, 10:10:13 PM
New scale and with all three gear, well, it's not 7oz. Shame, that.
so what, 8.5 maybe?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on January 22, 2017, 06:36:21 PM
Move the decimal point to the right.  LL~ LL~ LL~  I know Randy builds beautiful planes and this one will another super light plane.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 22, 2017, 06:47:39 PM
No, not 8.5oz. I wish. I suspect when it's done and ready to finish it will come in around 25oz. Probably 5 or 6oz more than I wanted. Have to go really light on the paint. The original was 60+ so I should be OK.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on January 22, 2017, 07:45:19 PM
No, not 8.5oz. I wish. I suspect when it's done and ready to finish it will come in around 25oz. Probably 5 or 6oz more than I wanted. Have to go really light on the paint. The original was 60+ so I should be OK.

 25oz covered and ready to finish? Really?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 23, 2017, 02:50:40 PM
Bare wood.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on January 23, 2017, 08:52:59 PM

 Oh, I think I'd be pretty happy with that. You've already got 5 ounces on my P-38 and I haven't even glued all the big parts into an airplane yet.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 24, 2017, 12:13:58 PM
Well, we'll just have to see. Tough to tell. I suspect it will be a bit piggy, but not horrible.

I really want to get this along so I can start on my next world beater.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Bill Little on January 24, 2017, 12:25:13 PM
Great looking build, Randy!  I am jealous!!  ;D
I know it will come out beautifully
Bill
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 28, 2017, 06:08:06 PM
Couple more pics. Still need the other elevator and the flaps but it's coming along.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on January 28, 2017, 06:41:49 PM
Randy, this thing is so cool, I cannot wait to see it in the flesh,, keep on keepin on,,
are you staying out of the snow drifts, and keeping warm?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 30, 2017, 02:26:51 PM
No snow drifts. Just floods.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on January 31, 2017, 07:37:07 PM
 Lookin' really cool Randy. y1

 Won't be long now 'til finishing time, how many ribs are there to sand between?  :##
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on February 02, 2017, 11:39:56 AM
Wayne: 144 Yea, I'm not really looking forward to that. Oh well.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on February 02, 2017, 06:22:04 PM
Wayne: 144 Yea, I'm not really looking forward to that. Oh well.

 Yeah, just blame Mark.  ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on February 03, 2017, 10:03:05 AM
I already blame Mark for a lot of stuff. This would be a reach. But OK, it's Mark's fault.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on February 03, 2017, 12:36:35 PM
????? sigh, the duties of a stunt bitch are obviously far reaching and not clearly defined,,

when can I get my own stunt bitch,,
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on February 04, 2017, 08:52:21 PM
Craig's List. Just look under the Stunt Bitch Header.

Here's the thing done except for the flap fillets and final sanding. And cutting down the nose wheel height just a bit. I have a trick for that.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on February 04, 2017, 09:43:16 PM

 Only a month 'til VSC!  ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on February 05, 2017, 12:12:40 PM
And I won't be there. Shame, that.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on February 05, 2017, 07:25:41 PM
So, here is the final. It done with the building part and apart for a little prep sanding, it ready to finish. Managed to lower the nosewheel a bit so it sits level now and straightened the main gear so it's parallel with the centerline (that was a bit of a pain). And the fillets for the flaps are done.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on February 06, 2017, 10:47:37 AM
Is this one going to have one of your super simple paint schemes? LL~ LL~  Really is looking gorgeous.  For some reason I've always liked the looks of planes showing lots of ribs.  By the way I won't make it to Tuscon again unless some miracle happens. H^^
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on February 07, 2017, 06:58:08 PM
Hey Doc. I'm copying the original paint scheme. Basically white with red and blue trim.

And I won't be at VSC either. I had planned to, but it didn't work out. Next year, for sure.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on February 21, 2017, 07:56:58 PM

 Are we covering yet?  D>K
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on February 22, 2017, 12:21:05 PM
Yes, Wayne, I'm covering. A bit more complicated than I had planned.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mark Scarborough on February 22, 2017, 01:33:07 PM
Randy, I konw the last few weeks you have been getting lots of handle time on the chain saw, please make sure you translate your inputs from chain saw worthy to delicate brush worthy prior to attempting to affix the covering on your creation,, silkspan is hard to come by and shredding it with the chain saw will not extend the life of your limited supply

as always, just trying to help  H^^
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on February 22, 2017, 05:26:43 PM
I am a bit low on SGM. Maybe 4 sheets. I have GM and 00 coming out my ears.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on February 22, 2017, 06:56:54 PM
Yes, Wayne, I'm covering. A bit more complicated than I had planned.

 Somehow that doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on February 23, 2017, 11:07:40 AM
It's mostly sanding ribs prior to cover. Takes a lot of time.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on March 09, 2017, 01:47:33 PM
Before Wayne asks, it's mostly covered. Doing the pieces parts.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on March 09, 2017, 06:37:15 PM
 Hu-whaaat?!

 Yeah, I've been checking here, guilty as charged.  ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: John Sunderland on March 09, 2017, 08:26:02 PM
I havent been on the site in awhile but the last time I checked in we were on page one. Very nice but dang, I was expecting some paint pics or something seeing as VSC is in full swing! Beautiful as usual.  H^^
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on March 12, 2017, 06:25:42 PM
I was bad this year. No VSC for me. But I will post a picture. Just have the control surfaces left to cover. Got distracted with some machining for the next plane and sharpening the chainsaws.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Clint Ormosen on March 12, 2017, 09:26:21 PM
Don't feel bad. No VSC for me either. Just too many other things happening.

But your plane is looking great!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on March 13, 2017, 02:26:02 PM
Should say, this is just covered. No clear coats. I used thinner to attach it. Less trapped water. Worked well.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on March 13, 2017, 06:21:52 PM
Should say, this is just covered. No clear coats. I used thinner to attach it. Less trapped water. Worked well.

 Thanks for the reminder on that routine Randy, I always forget to try it that way and I'm almost ready to do the P-38. How much clear did you have on the bare wood? I usually start covering after two good coats of 50/50 and a light sanding.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on March 14, 2017, 11:43:32 AM
3 coats of unthinned clear prior to covering.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on March 14, 2017, 07:19:38 PM
3 coats of unthinned clear prior to covering.

 Holy cow.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on March 17, 2017, 09:55:27 AM
Nope. It's a regular cow.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 10, 2017, 01:05:33 PM
OK, I think I've go the warp in the outboard wing fixed. Back to finishing the, ah, finish.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on April 10, 2017, 07:56:17 PM

 Uh oh.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 11, 2017, 02:46:13 PM
Funny how something can be dead straight prior to finish then suddenly develop and issues after covering. But I got it. Looked last night and it's still straight to I think I'm good. Sheesh!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on April 11, 2017, 06:50:04 PM

 From here on out, cross your fingers with every coat.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on April 12, 2017, 04:54:12 PM
I vaguely remember a wing I painted that when I looked at it later had a warp.   Left it over night and next day it was a straight as it was before the coat of dope.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on April 12, 2017, 08:55:28 PM
I vaguely remember a wing I painted that when I looked at it later had a warp.   Left it over night and next day it was a straight as it was before the coat of dope.

 I've had flaps do that, curl up for a bit and then be dead straight again once they fully cure. I've also fine tuned them if necessary afterward with a Monokote iron. A wing can be a much bigger problem though, hope yours stays put Randy.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 24, 2017, 10:41:02 AM
I got it fixed, but due to other demands, I haven't been in the shop for a week. Next weekend is the Jim Walker Memorial contest in Portland, OR and I hope to attend that. So not sure when I'll get back to it. I cut a slot in the bottom of the trailing edge of the offending wing and used a piece of carbon tow to basically pull it straight. Then filled with some catalyzed filler. Looked at it yesterday and it's is still straight a week after the fix, so I think I'm OK. We'll see.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on May 19, 2017, 02:20:41 PM
This project is on long term hold. I managed to damage myself and won't be able to work on in for another month or so. Oh well.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on May 19, 2017, 09:49:21 PM
This project is on long term hold. I managed to damage myself and won't be able to work on in for another month or so. Oh well.

 That's a bummer Randy, hope the recovery is going ok at least.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on May 20, 2017, 11:33:52 AM
I guess I'm lucky Randy.  Told my rehab person about working on my planes while still using the brace, was told I should only be doing the required exercises.   I responded, "I guess that means I can't push the powered lawn mower.   The look I got and the reminded it has only been 2 1/2 weeks since surgery.  Still have to wear the brace another couple of weeks.

Now you take care of your self so we can meet up at the VSC again. H^^
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on June 30, 2017, 09:14:45 PM
This project is on long term hold. I managed to damage myself and won't be able to work on in for another month or so. Oh well.

 How's things Randy? 
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Tim Wescott on June 30, 2017, 09:16:55 PM
How's things Randy?

He was at the contest in Chehalis last weekend, on crutches.  Sez he's doing well.  He can give a more complete report if he sees this.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 03, 2017, 02:00:05 PM
I'm doing OK. Couple of weeks and I can ditch the crutches (according to my physical therapist). Spent my first day in the shop in 8 weeks last Saturday. Still have a warp in the outboard wing. I had kinda hoped it would straighten itself out, but it didn't. So I straightened it. Now it's on to sanding.

I'm working on fixing the controls on my last stunt plane so I can finally get it back out and flying. And I have been machining a bracket to mount a new dehumidifier/filter for my compressor. Fun stuff.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on July 04, 2017, 09:10:00 AM
Hey kid you had better start taking care of your self.   Don't be surprised if you stumble around on that first flight when you do get back out. H^^
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on July 05, 2017, 01:23:41 PM
Unlikely, Doc as my spouse will not likely let me fly until I'm somewhere in excess of 100%.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on October 12, 2017, 09:25:38 PM

 Ready to get back to it yet Randy?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on October 19, 2017, 02:28:41 PM
Nice timing. I'm back at it. Finally started sanding again.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Russell on October 23, 2017, 09:30:07 AM
Based on all the contests I attended from 1964 through 1975, I never once saw any one that could tell me what their plane weighed and NONE on them ever actually weighed them. Many never even cared. So, any given weight from that era, with a few exceptions, are wild ass guesses, nothing more. Just  fly it. They did. D>K LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~

Since the pull test was based solely on engine disp. not weight, no one cared. Now they have to.


Since the early '70's I've never weighted a CL or RC plane just go by look & feel, and I've built so many can't even begin to pull a number up...

Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on October 23, 2017, 10:13:41 AM
Now Randy lay off the home duty chores until this is flying. VD~   At our age healing takes longer when we mess up.   H^^
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on November 19, 2017, 08:47:44 PM

 Still sanding?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 22, 2017, 04:12:22 PM
And sanding and sanding and sanding. The a little filler, then sanding and sanding and sanding....etc.

Hey, at least it's getting lighter.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on November 23, 2017, 09:20:30 PM
 I'm a little ways behind where your at, just finally got the wing covered on the '38 with a couple fresh coats of clear now. A few other parts are silkspanned now too, and I'm already tired of sanding. Looking forward to some new pics out of the Powellworks to use as inspiration.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 27, 2017, 04:10:56 PM
Soon, man. I'm about 60% of the way through. I should be ready for base coat by the weekend. As my grandfather used to say, that's a lot of damn work, right there.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on November 27, 2017, 07:57:59 PM

 Zen.  :)
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on November 30, 2017, 03:48:30 PM
Dhammam saranam gacchami ...

om mani padme hum ...

Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Gerald Arana on November 30, 2017, 04:45:23 PM
Dhammam saranam gacchami ...

om mani padme hum ...


Eh?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on November 30, 2017, 10:02:36 PM

Eh?

 Zen Master speak, I think.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 01, 2017, 06:35:49 PM
Chanting while sanding
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on December 01, 2017, 08:19:55 PM
Chanting while sanding

 Please direct us to the YouTube video.  LL~
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 06, 2017, 03:15:26 PM
Well, it's sanded, more or less. A bit of touch up and I have one spot on the inboard bottom of the wing where I've sanded through like 4 times. Sheesh! but it's all good at the moment. A bit of fillercoat in like 3 spots and sanding and it will be ready for base color. Probably this weekend if I don't have to go to Portland. Joy.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 18, 2017, 01:34:56 PM
Hey Wayne, I finally got the base color on. But I'm afraid this pointed up about 20 places that will need attention including a dozen sand-throughs on the wing. Sigh... Well, it's said the best finishers are those than can recover the best from problems. What fun. I'll post some pics when I finally get the base color done. Sheesh!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on December 18, 2017, 05:13:46 PM
Hey Wayne, I finally got the base color on. But I'm afraid this pointed up about 20 places that will need attention including a dozen sand-throughs on the wing. Sigh... Well, it's said the best finishers are those than can recover the best from problems. What fun. I'll post some pics when I finally get the base color done. Sheesh!

 Right there with ya Randy, I'm in back-and-forth mode here too, a long way from color yet.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 19, 2017, 11:52:04 AM
Well, the main color is on there, but I will be patching and airbrushing for a bit. Not fun but that's the way it is with an I-Beam.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on December 19, 2017, 09:07:14 PM

 So, what do you do with all the sand throughs on the wing?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 20, 2017, 01:22:01 PM
I generally get the edges back together and hit them with CA. Then sand and put a small patch on. Sand, fill and dress that then shoot more base color on with an airbrush. Takes forever and is tedious to boot.

I dislike this because you usually can't see the buggers until after you've shot on base color. Ugh..
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on December 20, 2017, 07:46:02 PM
I generally get the edges back together and hit them with CA. Then sand and put a small patch on. Sand, fill and dress that then shoot more base color on with an airbrush. Takes forever and is tedious to boot.

 Dang, I was sort of hoping for an Ancient Chinese Secret that I maybe hadn't ever heard of. That routine is about what I was thinking, except for the CA part which I think would leave you with hard spots to sand. I suppose if you're quick enough smoothing over the CA with a finger smear you can get away with it. Either way, NO FUN
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 23, 2017, 09:44:07 PM
Ok, here's the pictures in base color. It's 2/3 Randolph White and 1/3 Insignia White. Also. there a before and after picture of one of the what felt like 5000 sand throughs. Before fixing the paint, the thing looked like an East LA low rider with primer gray patches all over it.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Howard Rush on December 24, 2017, 12:53:54 AM
Donít you use Polyspan?  Fuzzies are easier to deal with than sandthroughs.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 24, 2017, 10:18:27 AM
Howard,

This is old school. Sig SGM silkspan and Randolph's dope. Since I'm out of SGM, I suspect I will go to Polyspan. I've used it before but never liked it much. Guess I'll have to learn to like it.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on December 24, 2017, 05:34:51 PM
It's 2/3 Randolph White and 1/3 Insignia White.

 I always have to wonder Randy, do you do these things to yourself just so it's impossible to match down the road if necessary?  :##
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 26, 2017, 01:54:33 PM
I keep some for touch up. I did this because I was trying to match the picture I have of the original.  Insignia White is a very bright blue/white. Randolph's white is a sort of tan tint eggshell white. The original Mirage III (of which I have exactly one color picture of) is sort of in between.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 29, 2017, 06:28:16 PM
Man, I am about to throw a tantrum. I have these two spots that are being a pain. I'm on my third time sanding and repainting these two tiny spots and I swear there are demons involved. Sheesh!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on December 29, 2017, 07:24:52 PM
Man, I am about to throw a tantrum. I have these two spots that are being a pain. I'm on my third time sanding and repainting these two tiny spots and I swear there are demons involved. Sheesh!

 Still the sand throughs or an adhesion issue or?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Dane Martin on December 29, 2017, 09:17:19 PM
Ditto on Waynes question. You've piqued my interest.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on December 31, 2017, 11:35:24 AM
Wayne (and company  ;D ),

No, some kind of contamination. I kept getting fish eye, then when I overcame that, got puckering. Really weird. But, as I am the inventive sort and never afraid of a challenge. I just stripped the whole area, put down new fillet material, sanded, cleaned the crap out of it and shot paint on it yesterday. Whatever monsterous demon was there is now exorcised and the whole plane is white and ready for trim.

What an enormous pain. But as Mark Scarborough says, the best finishers are the ones that can overcome issues.  This base is far from perfect and if I had the patience, I would sand the whole thing down with 600 wet, reshoot and make it perfect. But as it turns out, I don't have the patience and I don't want it to weigh 80oz when done. Shouldn't look too bad and has the chance of being done for VSC. Maybe.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on January 01, 2018, 06:16:12 PM

 Shouldn't look too bad and has the chance of being done for VSC. Maybe.


 Good luck from here on out, and get those VSC reservations made!

 And yeah that reminds me, I haven't "seen" Mark around here for awhile.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 01, 2018, 07:46:54 PM
Mark's hanging out in Libby, Montana. Poor him.

Meanwhile, I plan to send in my reservation for the banquet and contest next month. My housing for the week is taken care of.

And since I finally go base color done (though it will now need some touch up due to tape pulling up paint bits - sigh), I got most of the paint on the fuse. Still some black and some stuff on the bottom to put on, but here it is so far.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on January 01, 2018, 09:39:42 PM

 Looks good from here!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 02, 2018, 01:45:08 PM
Your a long way away.  :D

It's OK, just needs some cleanup.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 07, 2018, 10:21:28 PM
So, more trim.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on January 13, 2018, 11:14:19 PM

 Great looking scheme Randy, nice and clean. Must be pretty close to done by now?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 25, 2018, 04:13:27 PM
Hey Wayne,

Sorry, I was off on vacation for the last 12 days. Just got back. I will continue on this weekend. Getting close. Trying to decide how much in the way of inklines I want to invest. Worth didn't use many.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 29, 2018, 02:30:31 PM
Well, Getting closer to clear coat. Decided to "fix" an area around the canopy. Not sure it's any better. but I will repaint tonight. Ugh.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on February 21, 2018, 06:28:36 PM

 Is it soup yet?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on March 04, 2018, 04:05:12 PM
Yes, it's done and on it's way to VSC with the wonderful Pete Peterson. I will follow next Sunday. Yippee. And here are the final pics. I haven't flown it yet (another year with an untested plane) but I suspect it will be a model toad.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on March 04, 2018, 05:27:01 PM
I hope it flies as well or better than it looks.  That is gorgeous.   Maybe Pete will test fly it and trim it out for you. LL~ LL~  Wish I could be there. :(
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on March 04, 2018, 07:33:59 PM
 Looks awesome Randy, definitely has a great Classic look. Glad to hear you're making VSC too, don't forget to double check the leadouts!  ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on March 05, 2018, 06:06:02 AM
Best luck for a smooth maiden. Looks awesome!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Howard Rush on March 06, 2018, 12:21:28 AM
You gonna come to Stonehedge to fly it? I'll get out the mower (weather authorities permitting).
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on March 06, 2018, 09:31:45 AM
Howard,

Well, unfortunately, like most of my trips to VSC. The plan is already gone with Pete to Tucson. I didn't get it done till about a minute before Pete left. I would love to come out to Stonehenge to fly after VSC. I look forward to it.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on March 14, 2018, 05:57:49 PM
Brief update. The plane has flown and I hooked up the lines correctly and everything. 2, 2 minute flights to insure that nothing awful happened and one full pattern. It issues but strangely, not the ones I thought it would have. I think it will ultimately all be correctable. For VSC, it should be relatively OK.  Fully correctable when I can get it home. Cool plane, overall. Looks wicked in the air.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on March 14, 2018, 08:17:21 PM

 Good to hear Randy, have fun and enjoy the trip!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on March 14, 2018, 08:39:49 PM
First Flight
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on March 20, 2018, 06:44:56 PM

 Well Randy, how'd it do at VSC?

Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on March 21, 2018, 11:21:31 AM
I would say he did good with a 24th out of 36 entries.  Especially since the plane had first flights at VSC.  Now Randy when you give up on it the old DOC is here to take it off your hands. LL~ LL~
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on March 22, 2018, 08:59:58 PM
Just a note. I have some serious issues to deal with with the plane, but correctable. That's something. It did win the I-Beam award, so that's something.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Dane Martin on March 23, 2018, 08:37:02 AM
You deserved it Randy. Your plane is incredible. Chris and I studied it for a while. I think I picked up some neat things you did around the cowl and cockpit area I'll try to incorporate in my stuka build.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on March 23, 2018, 10:07:59 AM
Well con grats on the I-beam award.   Would love to see the plane in person. H^^

Now you guys know why I don't plan on planes for VSC unless I have them built the year before. H^^
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on March 23, 2018, 06:24:54 PM

 Sounds good Randy, hopefully you can work out whatever little bugs you feel it has and then fly the heck out of this one. Congrats on the Beamer award too, I'm sure it was well deserved.

 I'm already wondering what's next on the build list...  :)
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on March 27, 2018, 05:18:23 PM
Wayne,

It will be fine in the end. Does need some fixes, etc. And the new plan is a deep, dark secret. It's sorta based on a kit. Kinda. Pics will follow in the building thread at some point. The new one will not be real pretty but should fly well.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: john e. holliday on March 28, 2018, 10:17:34 AM
Have you ever built an ughly plane? LL~ LL~
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on March 30, 2018, 01:15:27 PM
Doc,

Several.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 02, 2018, 08:31:36 PM
So, follow up. The original drive train in the plane (E-Flite 32, 75amp ESC and 2800mAh, 5S 30c battery) weighed 23oz. Yea, that's heavy. Had to add 5+oz to the tail and it was still nose heavy. Yikes. Sucker weighed 65oz with battery. Not good. But on the plus side, I had most of 35% of the battery left after a flight.

So, ordered new drive train (Cobra 2826/12 motor, 50amp ESC and 2800mAh, 30c, 4s battery).  New drive train weight: 15.9oz Yea, that's 7.1oz PLUS I lose the 5 and change ounces off the tail.  End up being 12.3oz lighter bringing the overall weight down to about 53oz. That I can live with. Hope the set up has enough juice to drive the plane. Should.

And I found the hangup in the control system. Pretty stupid, too. Figures.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on April 02, 2018, 10:18:02 PM
That is quite a diet!!
What size prop will you use with your 4s setup?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Fred Underwood on April 03, 2018, 11:26:23 AM
I know that you aren't asking, but is that the correct motor for 4 cells - Kv that you want.  You may be pushed to fit a prop to the kv.  I think that the motor is usually used with 5 cells.

In addition, the 28 series runs hot when in a built up fuse.  See the threads below

https://stunthanger.com/smf/gettin-all-amp'ed-up!/plane-for-cobra-282610-and-12/msg421221/#msg421221

https://stunthanger.com/smf/gettin-all-amp'ed-up!/help-with-motor-overheating!/msg408846/#msg408846

You might find a more favorable kv in the 2826 series, or in the 3515 series with only 7 grams more weight.

Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mike Haverly on April 04, 2018, 12:19:02 PM
Randy, like Fred says, I Think you need a higher Kv rating.  An Eflight power 25 Kv 870 or a Cobra  2826/10 930 Kv will let you get the RPM's you will looking for. 
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Dennis Adamisin on April 05, 2018, 06:40:28 AM
The new (since Dec 2017) Brodak 2826 has a kv=950 (sweet spot for 4S) and is a 3-bearing motor with a doubled bearing at the top of the "tower".   I expect it and the larger 3520 (also 950 kv) will be popular choices in this size range.

http://brodak.com/electric-accessories-1/motors/electric-motor-2826-c-35-48-kv950.html


Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 08, 2018, 12:49:48 PM
So, the 2826/10, 930kv is a better choice it seems. Have a couple of those in the drawer. And the weight is comparable to the 2826/12. 
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mike Haverly on April 08, 2018, 06:42:13 PM
So, the 2826/10, 930kv is a better choice it seems. Have a couple of those in the drawer. And the weight is comparable to the 2826/12.

Yep!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 18, 2018, 10:15:33 AM
And it's together and test run at least. Plane is now about a pound lighter. Still not a lightweight, but much lighter. Guess we'll see how it goes the weekend.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Target on April 21, 2018, 05:38:43 PM
Any report yet? Hope it all went well for you.

R,
Target
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on April 28, 2018, 01:07:08 PM
I managed to get an ugly cold (benefits of working with kids) and didn't go to contest. I did manage to get out to a school yesterday and flew it twice. It's better.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on January 10, 2019, 05:54:44 PM

 Been a loooong time Randy, what's going on at the Powellworks?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 15, 2019, 04:21:31 PM
Wayne,

Not a lot. Just finishing a PA plane. Not my usual deal but quick and light and should fly pretty good. I have the Avenger on the table for some work and some on the Mirage. Hope to have both classic planes fixed in the next couple of weeks. I'll fly both then decided which will go to VSC. Maybe pics when done.
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on January 15, 2019, 07:33:44 PM
 Sounds like you've been busy in the shop at least, good to hear. I don't recall your Mirage?
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on January 19, 2019, 01:16:19 PM
The Mirage III is the subject of this thread.

 ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: wwwarbird on January 19, 2019, 08:25:20 PM
The Mirage III is the subject of this thread.

 ;D

 Oh duh, haven't paged back on this one for awhile.  ;D
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Mike Haverly on February 06, 2019, 01:47:17 PM
Wayne,

Not a lot. Just finishing a PA plane. Not my usual deal but quick and light and should fly pretty good. I have the Avenger on the table for some work and some on the Mirage. Hope to have both classic planes fixed in the next couple of weeks. I'll fly both then decided which will go to VSC. Maybe pics when done.


Time's a tickin'  Randy.  The bus leaves in three weeks!
Title: Re: New classic plane started
Post by: Randy Powell on February 08, 2019, 12:47:50 PM
Hey, Mike,

It's done. Just have to do a new arming connector. Will do this weekend. I'll get with you in a week or so to set up pick-up.

Thanks again for the ride.