Author Topic: 1/2A fierce Arrow (Read 81990 times)

frank carlisle · « **Reply #450 on:** March 21, 2007, 05:36:56 AM »

Ray,
Please send me those patterns.
I'm looking forward to your next set of pix.
I wrapped up tht basement job yesterday. I figure I put in about 75 hours over a 15 day period to get it done. Rewired the whole thing for more lights. Rerouted telephone, computer nd cable lines, installed a suspended ceiling with trim and window treatments all around. I brought my tools home yesterday. Now it's time to get back to the important things.

Your model is really coming out lite. I hope I can keep mine that way too. I'm going to catch up with you in the next few days.

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #451 on:** March 21, 2007, 06:23:48 AM »

Ray, thanks for the "current weight".
Hmm, nose heavy.
I glued the mounts to F-2 and the carry through last night, did not lighten mounts. Think I'll get out the Dremel and do that.
Hope to start on nose assy today, "with photo's to follow".

I "was" going to use built up flaps, looks like we need weight aft.

If tail skid/wheel doesnot add enough weight, we "might" consider a small weight box in fuselage behind F-8. Cant go any further aft, unless we build a tail boom.

.
Roger

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #452 on:** March 21, 2007, 09:43:27 AM »

Quote from: Roger Vizioli on March 21, 2007, 06:23:48 AM

Ray, thanks for the "current weight".
Hmm, nose heavy.
I glued the mounts to F-2 and the carry through last night, did not lighten mounts. Think I'll get out the Dremel and do that.
Hope to start on nose assy today, "with photo's to follow".
I "was" going to use built up flaps, looks like we need weight aft.
If tail skid/wheel doesnot add enough weight, we "might" consider a small weight box in fuselage behind F-8. Cant go any further aft, unless we build a tail boom. .
Roger

Now there's an idea...lessee, we could call it the radio antenna, yeah, that's it...trail a piece of piano wire back about 8 or 10", hang a small weight on that as a knob at the end........Nahhhh, I gues not.

Here's promised pics. I tried to cover everything that might be of interest:

First several: Airplane, still no capstrips, still trying to decide what to do bout LE sheeting.

Next 3: Adjustable LOs, self-explanatory I think. Tubing attached with JB Weld. Nylon-insert locknut on bottom.

Last 3: Tip weight box (can?)--neck and lid from a water bottle, 1/32" ply. floor epoxied on. Sized perfectly for nickels; I'll glue a piece of foam rubber on the underside of the lid. Last pic, you can see how far I missed the intended "flush" installation.

I'll get the patterns in the mail to both of you, Frank, Roger.

--Ray

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #453 on:** March 21, 2007, 10:08:17 AM »

Couple of things I forgot to mention:

Weight as she sits, 8 1/2 ozs.

I eliminated 2 fuseelage formers (#5 & 7), as well as most of the substructure behind former #4. In fact, the only stringer I used is the 1/16" x 1/4" running along the top of the formers, made it easier to line them up. I actually made it 5/16" wide so it extends above the formers 1/16", and butted the fuse sides against it, beveled as needed. Sanded it down to a taper at the back, ended it about an inch from the tip of the rudder. The whole assembly is plenty rigid and solid.

Next one (if there is one), I'll eliminate the 2 (no, 4--no,

1/16" wing stringers under the LE and use 1/2 ribs instead. The LE sheeting needs transverse support, not longitudinal. That should take care of the "waves" I'm dealing with, as well as simplifying the rib cutting a LOT (48--count'em!--fewer notches to cut!). Also I'll use a 3/16" sq. LE, set on edge (diamond cross section) rather than the 1/16"x5/8" original, to get a blunter nose on the airfoil. This is as much notes to myself as advice to anyone else.

--Ray

P.S. 10 pages--I think the thread-length record is safe with us.

frank carlisle · « **Reply #454 on:** March 21, 2007, 10:37:17 AM »

That's is sooo cool. I'm glad we decided to do this build Ray. And I'm glad you did so much of the thinking for us.
All that structure you eliminated in the aft fuselage is probably partly to blame for your nose heavy condition. hmmmmmm
I'll wait and see if you have to add tail weight. If you do then I'll put all the wood as per plans.

The leading edge chaange would help a lot.

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #455 on:** March 21, 2007, 12:42:57 PM »

Yup, it remains to be seen how much the covering/finishing will pull the CG back, I know flying wings are very sensitive to that, what with their short couplings and all. If it turns out to be needed, another change I might make on a "next" FA is to shorten the nose, move the engine back maybe 1/2" or 3/4". Hope it isn't necessary as it would change the look.

Speaking of looks, I'm glad you talked me into enlarging the rudder, Frank. To me it looks just right; I think it would indeed have been too small left stock. (I added 1/4" of height and 1/2" of length--Patterns I'm sending reflect that.)

frank carlisle · « **Reply #456 on:** March 21, 2007, 01:16:54 PM »

Quote from: minnesotamodeler on March 21, 2007, 12:42:57 PM

Yup, it remains to be seen how much the covering/finishing will pull the CG back, I know flying wings are very sensitive to that, what with their short couplings and all. If it turns out to be needed, another change I might make on a "next" FA is to shorten the nose, move the engine back maybe 1/2" or 3/4". Hope it isn't necessary as it would change the look.

Speaking of looks, I'm glad you talked me into enlarging the rudder, Frank. To me it looks just right; I think it would indeed have been too small left stock. (I added 1/4" of height and 1/2" of length--Patterns I'm sending reflect that.)

I'll be finishing the stock Arrow in the next week or two so we'll be able to compare cg's. If your Arrow has to have tail weight added then I think the motor location (at least the .061) will have to be more rearward. I think I'd leave the "POD" the same and move the carry through more forward. Another change could possibly be lengthening the root of the wing. Maybe heavier flapavator stock.

The enlarged fin looks just right on your plane. That should stay. By the time you get yours ready to cover I should be ready to start my Frankenstone version, so we can add any mods to the one I build and then compare notes again. I certainly hope we can stick to this till we get a model that builds and flies without having to add gobs of weight anywhere. Staggering the production of the models will lend itself well to incorporating next generation changes.
I think we did very well with the engine pod as far as allowing for room for the engine, fuel capacity and a means to hol the cowl in place. Once we have the cg as a build in we'll be golden.

Now let's see your latest pix.

frank carlisle · « **Reply #457 on:** March 21, 2007, 01:22:39 PM »

Quote from: Bill Gruby on March 19, 2007, 04:04:26 PM

Ray, Frank and Roger;
Outstanding work. Ray that last set of pictures was awesome. Looks like it won't be much longer. You guys are to be commended, this has been a labor of love. It has been a pleasure to watch the three of you bring it all together. Will this be availlable to the rest of us when you finish? Please don't stop now keep up the magnificent work, you three are truely professionals.

"Billy G"

These comments are very flattering Bill. Thanks.

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #458 on:** March 21, 2007, 01:51:14 PM »

re. Nose heavy item, again.
Put my fus. sides in the scrap bin.
I think I'll make the new fus. sides full depth and leave "air space" between F-1 and F-2, below motor mounts and above lower sheet. Watcha think?
Might only save a few grams, but..........
Will post pics before assembly of same.
Roger

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #459 on:** March 21, 2007, 03:42:16 PM »

Roger, my lower block is hollowed out, admittedly not as much as it could have been, but to about 1/8" thick shell. In fact that's the air-exit route I'm thinking of using. I don't think there's much to be gained there.

Frank, what you're saying is, in effect move the wing forward the 1/2" or whatever, leaving the fuselage the same. That would be simpler than trying to redesign the nose pod.

But remember, the jury isn't in yet on final balance; we may be just borrowing trouble. Besides, with that huge flapilator, maybe it could handle some noseheaviness OK.

--Ray

--Ray

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #460 on:** March 21, 2007, 03:44:00 PM »

Quote from: frank carlisle on March 21, 2007, 01:22:39 PM

These comments are very flattering Bill. Thanks.

I add my hearty "amen" to that. Thank you, Bill, for the compliments. There's something to try to live up to!

--Ray

bob branch · « **Reply #461 on:** March 21, 2007, 04:39:50 PM »

At this point the question might be possed "how many stunt fliers does it take to change a light bulb?" On the other hand one could pose the question how many pages does it take to build the wing of a half a sized airplane? Not complaining mind you. Was just curious.

bob branch

frank carlisle · « **Reply #462 on:** March 21, 2007, 05:44:38 PM »

Quote from: bob branch on March 21, 2007, 04:39:50 PM

At this point the question might be possed "how many stunt fliers does it take to change a light bulb?" On the other hand one could pose the question how many pages does it take to build the wing of a half a sized airplane? Not complaining mind you. Was just curious.

bob branch

The building of a model plane should be savored like a fine wine- not gulped like soda pop.

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #463 on:** March 21, 2007, 08:38:50 PM »

Quote from: minnesotamodeler on March 21, 2007, 03:44:00 PM

I add my hearty "amen" to that. Thank you, Bill, for the compliments. There's something to try to live up to!

--Ray

Bill, I second that "Amen". My task is easier as they (Ray and Frank) are blazing the trail, I'm just "tweaking" it, for better (? doubt it!) or for worse.
Roger

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #464 on:** March 22, 2007, 07:07:21 AM »

Gentlemen, the tracings are on their way, mailed this AM.

You will notice the line from the cabin to the tip of the rudder is slightly concave, that's not a mistake, in fact it probably needs to be exaggerated a little more--it translates into a straight(er) line when the sides are warped around the formers. Fine-trim the side tops as needed at installation. Any questions, just ask...I'm full of answers (the answer might be "I don't know", I'm still full of it, hehehe). Sorry, I'm in a silly mood.

--Ray

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #465 on:** March 22, 2007, 03:45:01 PM »

OK, here's youse guys' chance to catch up...I tackled a rework of the LE sheeting. I removed the bottom sheeting only, and am working 1/2-ribs (back to the 2nd thin stringer) into the wing from the underside. Idea being to shape the top sheeting from inside. Then when the bottom sheeting is replaced it'll have the transverse support I think it needs. Won't be perfect, but should be a big improvement. I'll post some "after" pictures..."after" I'm done.

Say Frank, if your stock FA is progressing well, why don't you post a few pics of it and let us see how you're doing?

--Ray

frank carlisle · « **Reply #466 on:** March 23, 2007, 12:56:24 AM »

Ray, I'll try to catch up while you rework the ribs on your wing.
I haven't touched my Arrow for a couple of weeks. My job kind of drained off my building gumption. I will get back on track though.
Here is a picture of my Arrow as it sits at the moment.

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #467 on:** March 23, 2007, 07:57:30 AM »

Well OK Frank, you're excused then...is that a TeeDee .049 in that box? You gonna use that on your stock FA?

Here's a few pictures of my tailskid/tailwheel assembly, just for interest. Two layers of 1/16" ply. glued together with wire sandwiched between. Wheel = the hub, minus tread, of a lightweight Indoor wheel. I'll probably substitute something more conventional before flying.

--Ray

frank carlisle · « **Reply #468 on:** March 23, 2007, 04:41:44 PM »

That tailwheel is a great idea Ray. It'll probably save the outboard wing tip from getting scraped and maybe get your cg right to boot.

The engine in my stock arrow is a .051.

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #469 on:** March 23, 2007, 09:33:35 PM »

Oky guys, here goes!

Will "open the glue bottle" this evening and start nose assy. Held off until I was sure of tank selection.
"Notch" in F-2 will clear stock muffler if used. If so, cowl side will need "slight" routing to clear muffler body, ---we will see!

I dont (normally) run a muffler on the Norvel's.

Ray, could not find the post that states your "shown" wheel size. If they are oversize or heavy, the Dubro lites might help the Nose heavy condition.
Roger

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #470 on:** March 23, 2007, 09:48:55 PM »

Looks like a good start, Roger.

Wheels on mine are those cheap, light hollow plastic jobbies that come in two halves and snap together. No weight issue there.

Got a buncha pics: Tailwheel installation, and a shot showing the ground attitude with it.

A few more shots showing the "after" of my attempt to straighten the "wavy" LE sheeting. Came out fairly good I think, not perfect (I didn't expect it to be) but much improved. I think I can live with it now.

Next: Replacing the under-side sheeting I removed to install the half-ribs; then (at last!) capstrips; Cowl air exit hole; a few more flapevator hinges; figuring out something for the canopy attachment; wing/fuselage fillets; THEN (dah-ta da) COVERING and FINISHING!!!! What a trip...

--Ray

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #471 on:** March 23, 2007, 10:05:52 PM »

Ooops, just lost another reply in cyber space, will try again, here goes.

Ray,
Will I ever catch up? Your doing a beautiful job!
I like the attitude the tail wheel provides, better takeoffs.
re. your hinges. Will you use Iron On covering over them? Never have tried them, just wondering.

Frank,
I noted your concern re. exhaust exiting in to the cowl/fuselage. Thought about trying the Norvel muffler as my fus. is a little wider and I can install it "if" I route out the cowl side in that area for clearance. (I dont normally use a muffler on my Norvel's). It also gives me the option to try to use the "Quiet Pipe" which routes exhaust/oil aft and keeps plane cleaner. I used it on the 1/2A P'Finder a few times and it was acceptable.
Just building in options as I go along, FYI.
Roger

Well, the second pic below looks like it is from the lost post,

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #472 on:** March 23, 2007, 10:23:19 PM »

Now that's what I call an exhaust pipe! Will you put that whole thing on the FA?

I have tried putting a short piece of fuel line on the Norvel muffler exhaust, restricting it considerably. It can be made nearly as quiet as an electric, but with significant power loss too. I almost never use a muffler anyhow.

--Ray

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #473 on:** March 23, 2007, 10:34:07 PM »

No, wont put it on the FA but "might try" the "short" muffler/pipe interface piece as it wont require any additional changes.

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #474 on:** March 25, 2007, 10:09:52 AM »

Did "another" fit on cowl parts, yes, the big tank will fit!
Have to clean up parts and lighten them, but, prelim. pics, as follows:
first pic - left piece is top of cowl, second piece is under top piece, slot shaped to shim tank in place, nose piece roughed in.
second pic - "loosely" pinned together. Shaping for plug access will be the next "challenge.
third - tank shim set in place
R....

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #475 on:** March 25, 2007, 10:30:18 AM »

Sorry Guys;

Been busy bustin Leo Ms' chops, Ain't been here to cheer you along. Where pray tell did Roger come up with that "Stealth Pipe" You use that thing and you won't even know the engine is running. Gotta go got more fish to fry LOL See ya all later, yer doin good Boys.

Billy G"

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #476 on:** March 25, 2007, 10:41:37 AM »

Quote from: Bill Gruby on March 25, 2007, 10:30:18 AM

Sorry Guys;

Been busy bustin Leo Ms' chops, Ain't been here to cheer you along. Where pray tell did Roger come up with that "Stealth Pipe" ( Where? go to - flyquiet.com Roger)You use that thing and you won't even know the engine is running. Gotta go got more fish to fry LOL See ya all later, yer doin good Boys.

Billy G"

frank carlisle · « **Reply #477 on:** March 25, 2007, 10:46:22 AM »

Well Roger you're moving right along. It's interesting how you are approaching getting the nose built. It looks the same as mine and Ray's did when they were all boxed up. But we each did it totally different. I guess there really are many ways to skin a cat.
Your work is very neat.

I'll be getting back to my Arrow this week so we'll be at just about the same place.

Ray your way ahead of us and that plane looks great!! I'm guessing you are about ready to cover and finish it?

I went flying yesterday..........I took the Snapper but had engine problems so I didn't get to fly it. This week Jan and I are going to play with 1/2A engines and get 'em running. I imagine next weekend I'll have some video to share.

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #478 on:** March 25, 2007, 11:10:15 AM »

Frank,
I'm slow, but getting there.
Shaping the cowl for cooling and plug access and exhaust venting comes next.
R....

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #479 on:** March 26, 2007, 01:23:02 AM »

Roger, that is an interesting approach to the engine cowling.Thanks for the pictures. I ended up pretty much where you will, but from a solid block, a lot of discarded balsa and elbow grease. You've got it planned out very nicely.

No, not yet quite ready to cover mine, Frank--I need to finish repairing the lower LE sheeting, got one wing done and it looks very good, one to go...I have put the rib cap strips on the top surface but not yet on the bottom. Now working on my cooling-air vent; I'm sorta stealing your grillwork, but on the under side rather than the top. I'll post some pics Mon.

Also did some preliminary work on the canopy/windscreen/whatever: Got a tagboard pattern cut down close to size. I guess I'll just let the canopy overlap the balsa sides and glue it on. May not be the most elegant approach, but it oughtta work and at least it's simple. Any other ideas, I'd be glad to hear.

I'm almost sad to be approaching the end of this very interesting build. I've learned several things from it, for instance how to make formed alum. landing gear (thanks Frank); how simplY a cowled vented engine setup can be done; ditto a formed-balsa builtup fuselage. How to build a wing around an engine pod, then integrate it into a full fuselage. I don't think I've ever built a reflex airfoil before, what is apparently called a "pollywog", on a builtup wing. Never before used a true spinner on a 1/2A rather than just a spinner nut (thanks again, Jan). And of course there's the shared camaraderie of an online build (thanks for making it possible, Robert). Thanks, Frank, Roger, Bill, all who have helped make this a most enjoyable experience. I'm already looking forward to the next one, whatever it is.

And I'd like to thank my wife for putting up with me, and my parents for having me, and my agent for...hey, it's the Acadamy Awards!

--Ray

P.S. all-together weight now approaching 9 oz., no problem, still very much within reason and target. Better news: The CG is creeping backward with the weight gain! Balance may not be so far off when all is done. It's probably an inch or so ahead of plan location right now. That 1/2 oz. weight gain I've documented is virtually all aft (tail wheel, capstrips) and has pulled the CG back about 1/2 inch. Gooder and gooder...

frank carlisle · « **Reply #480 on:** March 26, 2007, 06:44:54 AM »

I've been thinking about the canopy Ray and it looks like your solution may be the only one in town.

That creeping cg is a good sign.

Your post was starting to sound like an acceptance speach for an award of some sort. The credit given others and the humble tone of it brought a tear to my eye. BRAVO!!

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #481 on:** March 26, 2007, 07:08:03 AM »

Ray,
Thanks, I spent more time on

than building, so far.
re. Canopy/windscreen whatever. An idea, again

, Once pattern is finalized,
transfer it to 1/32 balsa and form to fit. Once formed it can be strengthened from the rear/inside with CF or polyeurethane or finishing resin or ??. Paint exterior with a canopy type grey and then install. Just my thought as I do not plan to do any cockpit details.
Frank,
Where is the cg on the full size plans? Bill N. said location is critical on this design.
I will mow grass today

, then work on cowl.
Roger

frank carlisle · « **Reply #482 on:** March 26, 2007, 07:11:26 AM »

Quote from: Roger Vizioli on March 26, 2007, 07:08:03 AM

Ray,
Thanks, I spent more time on than building, so far.
re. Canopy/windscreen whatever. An idea, again , Once pattern is finalized,
transfer it to 1/32 balsa and form to fit. Once formed it can be strengthened from the rear/inside with CF or polyeurethane or finishing resin or ??. Paint exterior with a canopy type grey and then install. Just my thought as I do not plan to do any cockpit details.
I will mow grass today , then work on cowl.
Roger

I'm thinking clear plastic windscreen with a (stolen from grandkids) Wookie for a pilot.

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #483 on:** March 26, 2007, 08:28:09 AM »

Quote from: Roger Vizioli on March 26, 2007, 07:08:03 AM

Ray,
Thanks, I spent more time on than building, so far.
re. Canopy/windscreen whatever. An idea, again , Once pattern is finalized,
transfer it to 1/32 balsa and form to fit. Once formed it can be strengthened from the rear/inside with CF or polyeurethane or finishing resin or ??. Paint exterior with a canopy type grey and then install. Just my thought as I do not plan to do any cockpit details.
Frank,
Where is the cg on the full size plans? Bill N. said location is critical on this design.
I will mow grass today , then work on cowl.
Roger

O, too bad, so sad, you have to mow grass...what is that stuff again? After a week of 50s and 60s, our snow is finally (mostly) gone.

Plan CG is just about where their rib R-7 (3rd from tip) intersects the LE...equivalent on our "Frankenstone" version is our rib R-6 (2nd from tip). Right about now mine is close to R-5, moving back with every new piece glued on. Mr. N. is right, deltas (and other flying wings) are very sensitive to balance changes.

Pics in a little while of my engine cooling vent.

--Ray

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #484 on:** March 26, 2007, 11:48:24 AM »

Air vent pics: Very rough, some glue I gotta carve out, and some sanding to do...but you get the idea. First 3 pics, vent itself; last 3, the interior air passages to it. See, those holes in the tank floor, for a previous tank I decided not to use, came in handy after all!

--Ray

frank carlisle · « **Reply #485 on:** March 26, 2007, 11:53:44 AM »

That's a cool vent Ray..........What with cutting the sheeting off the wing and stuff like that I'd say you've given this model a good working over. As I have mine. It might be a good idea to make another one .

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #486 on:** March 26, 2007, 04:30:12 PM »

Hmmm, louvers! Where can we get small fender skirts??
We are showing our age(s) now!

Roger

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #487 on:** March 26, 2007, 08:05:39 PM »

And baby moon hubcaps...

frank carlisle · « **Reply #488 on:** March 26, 2007, 08:07:53 PM »

Let us not overlook the suicide knob on the handle...........

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #489 on:** March 26, 2007, 08:26:22 PM »

...or the eybrow exterior shade over the windshield.

frank carlisle · « **Reply #490 on:** March 26, 2007, 08:39:39 PM »

or the fuzzy dice hanging from the rear view mirror.

Bill Little · « **Reply #491 on:** March 26, 2007, 09:00:17 PM »

How about the bobbing head Alligator on the package shelf?

frank carlisle · « **Reply #492 on:** March 26, 2007, 09:38:16 PM »

or the bobbly hula girl............

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #493 on:** March 27, 2007, 06:59:32 AM »

Ahh, guess I'm the oldest! But you know that, my "friend" Bill ( The Big Bear) already went on the record to state that!
You forgot "Blue dots!"

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #494 on:** March 27, 2007, 08:25:46 AM »

OK I give up...you guys win!

--Ray

Bill Gruby · « **Reply #495 on:** March 27, 2007, 11:59:43 AM »

Hi All;

You ain't gonna figure out who is the oldest that way. Maybe it's me? Wanna see who is doin all this writtin to ya? Frank already saw. Follow these directions:

1) Go to the Stunt Grunt Section
2) Find the Grand Pappy Thread
3) open it up and scroll down for a big surprise

You guys gotta get out more often

"Billy G"

Bill Little · « **Reply #496 on:** March 27, 2007, 01:51:03 PM »

Quote from: Roger Vizioli on March 27, 2007, 06:59:32 AM

Ahh, guess I'm the oldest! But you know that, my "friend" Bill ( The Big Bear) already went on the record to state that!
You forgot "Blue dots!"

Hey there, Good Buddy!

You know that North Carolina actually outlawed blue dot tail lights at one time.

Bill <><

Roger Vizioli · « **Reply #497 on:** March 27, 2007, 01:55:15 PM »

Hi Bill,
Move to Florida.
I still see them on all the "retired, lotsa money, wanna be hot rodders" who are paying to have the cars built so thay can ride around (in AC no less!) in "their street rods".
They never heard of BOM, or BOR(od), maybe it's a ARD(rive) Rod?

Roger

minnesotamodeler · « **Reply #498 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:20:25 PM »

Quote from: Bill Gruby on March 27, 2007, 11:59:43 AM

Hi All;

You ain't gonna figure out who is the oldest that way. Maybe it's me? Wanna see who is doin all this writtin to ya? Frank already saw. Follow these directions:

1) Go to the Stunt Grunt Section
2) Find the Grand Pappy Thread
3) open it up and scroll down for a big surprise

You guys gotta get out more often

"Billy G"

"Frank already saw..."--So that's what happened! I wondered why he's not writing any more? Still in shock? Skeered plumb away? Out scouting for higher-caliber friends? None of us seem very impressive.

Bill Little · « **Reply #499 on:** March 27, 2007, 02:25:25 PM »

I would have all of you to know that Mr. G-Man took second place in High School for "Best Looking Male Student" in his Senior Class............

(all the other guys and two girls tied for first!)