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Offline Tom Weedon

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elevator exponential control
« on: October 04, 2009, 01:36:32 PM »
I've flown R/C aerobatics for almost 20 years. There was a custom to set the transmitter controls for an exponential responce on the elevator. This made the elevator less sensitive around neutral, i.e. a small elevator deflection for a given amount of control around neutral and a maximum responce for a simular control near the end of travel. Has anyone come up with a scheme to duplicate this exponential responce on a C/L airplane? It sure would work great when trying to fly very level (inverted or upright). I have moved back to C/L flying just a few years ago (after a 40 year absence) and I am working on practicing the routines.

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Re: elevator exponential control
« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2009, 02:02:35 PM »
Welcome back Tom. The answer to your question is YES. There are at least two approaches that have been used in recent years. One, the EXPOCRANK, invented by Fred Bachle is designed to soften up the controls near, and around nuetral. One person, who is often on the forum, is Larry Cunningham from over in New Mexico. He has used the Expocrank and understands it better than anyone other than the inventor.

Another system is one designed and used by Igor Burger in the Chech Republic. His works differently, and he has written online about his crank.

The so called "Self centering" bellcranks available from Sig and others, also affect the way the controls act around nuetral.

I myself use a geometrically corrected control system. Mine is a slow system, and when the plane is trimmed properly, is very linear, and easy to fly with out problems around nuetral. I personally use this system and prefer it.

Most problems with tracking involves trim and incidences, coupled with a too fast or imbalanced control system, in my opinion.  H^^
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Re: elevator exponential control
« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2009, 02:24:53 PM »
I like simple and tradition dies hard.  If the elevator portion has a trailing edge as thick as the hinge edge then the initial control movement will be instantly effective rather than having a slow reaction.  I proved this out on the rudder/fin when I was competing flying A2 towline gliders.  Also this thick trailing edge is not speed sensitive.  All of my CL planes are built this way, mostly stabilator designs where the stabilator is flat with a half round LE.  If any one is interested just ask and I will post a diagram orf how this works.  SLEEPY

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Re: elevator exponential control
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2009, 04:57:25 AM »
Where can I see an example of the "Expocrank" ?
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Re: elevator exponential control
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2009, 12:51:58 PM »
Here is a drawing of an exponential crank taken from Bob Baron's Humbug article, with a longer pushrod arm, so you can see the exponential better.  A pin in the bellcrank drives the pushrod arm via the slot.  The depending on the exact location of the pivots, the pushrod hole moves about 20% further than if the arm was fixed on the bellcrank, and the movement increases(pushrod force goes down) as the mechanism moves.  This means you have to allow for the forces on the elevator, and they have to be lower than on a standard plane, or you will may run into the "Netzeband" wall going into the wind.

Fred Bachle moved the expo arm pivot to the other side of the bellcrank pivot, allowing somewhat better leverage and a faster expo rate.  It necessitated a fairly complicated expo arm to get around the bellcrank pivot.

Any setup where the connections between the lines and the pivot(both at the handle or at the bellcrank) are not parallel and straight lines require you to carefully fine tune the neutral adjustments through out the control system so everything (plane, controls, handle) are at neutral at the same time so you don't introduce control feel problems.  You can see if the handle neutral, the bellcrank neutral, and the controls are not all exactly neutral a the same time the control feel will change as the controls are moved.  You get the similar problems if the handle overhang and neutral hand axis are not all squared up too.  See the thread on how a bad neutral can cause a crash.
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Re: elevator exponential control
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2009, 12:59:43 AM »
There was another bellcrank system published in the Aeromodeller a while back. It used a weird shape crank. I spent all last night thumbing through the Aeromodellers I thought it was in but couldn't find it! ???  I'll keep looking, I remember it being in the one of last Aeromodellers printed!

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Re: elevator exponential control
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2009, 08:01:54 AM »
The ExpoCrank was covered in PAMPA's Stunt news some years back. I don't recall exactly the year. If I were you, I would PM Larry Cunningham (he posts on this board)--I know he wrote an article or two on it in Stunt News too

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Re: elevator exponential control
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2009, 03:13:05 PM »
So the next logical question is:  how can I buy an exponential bellcrank?  I've made my own control horns, but never a bellcrank.  I'd like to give it a try.

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Re: elevator exponential control
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2009, 03:24:35 PM »
So the next logical question is:  how can I buy an exponential bellcrank?  I've made my own control horns, but never a bellcrank.  I'd like to give it a try.

Floyd

You can use a Fox 3 in. bellcrank, add a drive pin, per the diagram, and trim a 2 in. bellcrank down for the elevator drive.  The only tricky part is carving and filing the a 3/32 in slot for the drive pin.  The slot needs to be a close, smooth fit on the drive pin.  Best done on a mill, but you can do it by hand.
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