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Offline jim gilmore

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? about nationals stunt winning models.
« on: May 16, 2008, 02:24:54 PM »
I am curious. Of the conventional/or modern type P.A. national's winning models . What was the Largest model to win and what was the smallest model to win?
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Re: ? about nationals stunt winning models.
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2008, 08:54:25 PM »
I think Werwage's P 47 Razor spans 63".Though not NATS, it did win WC in 04. Not sure of the spans of the T.P., Star Gazer,Impact and Infinity. I'm trying to go from 1990 up.  D>K
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« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2008, 10:38:23 AM »
I'm thinking Bob Gialdini's Eclipse (1965) may have been the biggest in wing area.  The smallest post OTS era; probably Gieseke's Nobler, or (if you include Junior & Senior Walker Cup winners) Werwge's Ares (1959?) or Palowski's Atom (1958).
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Re: ? about nationals stunt winning models.
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2008, 12:05:14 PM »
Thanks guys
I would think of modern as 1970 something.
I was thinking that Gene Schaffers' STUNT MACHINE, might be at the smaller end but wasn't sure. While Al Rabes' SEA FURY was on the large size. Though I was not sure if any other stunter were Bigger either in wingspan or pure mass.
I was curious if any small models have worked well enough to compete against the 40+ powered stunters. No particular reason but curiosity here.
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Re: ? about nationals stunt winning models.
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2008, 02:03:56 PM »
I would imagine Windy's Russian Sweeper was the biggest in the modern era (and very cool, too), though he didn't win (placed 4th or 5th, I think). Paul's B-17 is more than 900 square inches, but he didn't win with it either. The Spectrum, Impact, TP, Infinity are all around the same size wingspan wise (within an inch or two), though I think the TP is around 660 squares and the Impact is near 700. Hard to tell the smallest, but I think the above is probably right. A Nobler derivative of some type.
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Re: ? about nationals stunt winning models.
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2008, 05:21:00 PM »
the Impact is near 700. Hard to tell the smallest, but I think the above is probably right. A Nobler derivative of some type.
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The Impact is 675 according to Autocad by 6 decimal places. H^^
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Re: ? about nationals stunt winning models.
« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2008, 06:35:38 PM »
Quote from: jim gilmore on May 19, 2008, 12:05:14 PM
Thanks guys
I would think of modern as 1970 something.
I was thinking that Gene Schaffers' STUNT MACHINE, might be at the smaller end but wasn't sure.

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I was curious if any small models have worked well enough to compete against the 40+ powered stunters. No particular reason but curiosity here.

Your question was about the sizes of Nats winning airplanes.  Though Gene Schaffer and his Stunt Machine were a formadable combination, Gene never won the Nats.  He is often credited to be one of the best, if not the best flyer to have never won the Nats.  He did place first at one of our Team Trials.

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« Reply #7 on: May 21, 2008, 03:43:47 PM »
I don't remember the exact numbers, but for the last few years, the larger planes/engines have dominated the higher classes at the Nats-----according to the stats published in SN.  Larger planes would be 625 sq. in. or bigger; larger engines would be > .51.

Not sure this means anything, but is sorta interesting.

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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2008, 12:40:11 PM »
I would wager that ob Baron's Patternmaster as the largest to win.....
Probably the smallest recent winner was the Geiseke (?) Nobler....
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Re: ? about nationals stunt winning models.
« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2008, 12:28:03 PM »
Quote from: peabody on May 24, 2008, 12:40:11 PM
I would wager that ob Baron's Patternmaster as the largest to win.....
Probably the smallest recent winner was the Geiseke (?) Nobler....


I agree.
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Re: ? about nationals stunt winning models.
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2008, 03:19:28 PM »
>>The Impact is 675 according to Autocad by 6 decimal places.<<

Depends on which one. Paul's last year's version (2007) was 750 square inches. They have varied between 675 or so and up to 750. But the most common one is the 690 square inch one. Pretty much the one he is currently flying at the World Champs.
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Re: ? about nationals stunt winning models.
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2008, 12:20:46 AM »
Is there a limit to how big or small the airplane is?
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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2008, 08:35:00 AM »
On the AMA site, I see a weight limit of four pounds for control line models. 
Didn't see a size limit, but could have missed that part.

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2008, 01:01:43 PM »
Quote from: Jim Oliver on September 26, 2008, 08:35:00 AM
On the AMA site, I see a weight limit of four pounds for control line models. 
Didn't see a size limit, but could have missed that part.

Cheers,
Jim

Paragraph 8 of the General Control Line section of the AMA rulebook states "Unless otherwise permitted under specific event rules, no Control Line model shall have a flying weight of more than four (4) pounds."

In the Control Line Precision Aerobatics section of the AMA rulebook, there is a statement at the bottom of the line size and pull test chart that states "Maximum model weight is 3.5 kg (7 lbs, 11 0z)." Also, Paragraph 2.4 also states "Maximum model weight including any batteries but excluding fuel is 3.5 kg (7 lbs, 11oz)."

It is sometimes worthwhile to read all of those areas of the rulebook that affect this event.

Keith

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« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2008, 02:01:30 PM »
Keith is correct----and I should have posted all the info concerning weight, or none of it. :-[

At only 6 feet and 200 pounds, I ain't quite big enough to fly a 3.5 kg. CLPA model........... :o

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Re: ? about nationals stunt winning models.
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2008, 05:12:07 PM »
I'd bet that the Bob Gialdini designed Eclipse comes close to being the largest CL Stunt model to ever win at a NAts. He won with that design in 1965; I watched his Walker Cup Fly-Off flights and the thing was huge!

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