Go to this site and look thru the revised rules for CL scale, this is a sweeping change that affects all CL scale events

http://www.modelaircraft.org/events/ruleproposals/clscale.aspx

Read thru them and send your comments to the contest board members on what you like and don't like



Fred Cronenwett

I browsed through this huge package.   It would take a long time to comprehend the whole thing, but this is what I see.

1.  A attempt to liberate CL Scale from the RC-dominated Scale Category.  This is a  good thing.  Incidentally, FF saw the problem decades ago and never accepted domination under RC.   I support this and hope it passes.

2-8 are ideas, for "improving" CL Scale in the assumption of gaining freedom from RC.  I think this is both presumptuous and overambitious.

We need to gain our freedom, elect a true CL Scale Contest Board, and then proceed to clean up the rules.  If the secession from RC fails all the minor details are wasted.

One obvious defect is the assumption the 4-stroke engines have only half the power of a two-stoke.  At one time there was a 60% rule.  Stunt now accepts 4-strokes as equal.  Meanwhile, electric power systems have no limitation whatsoever.  If we are to continue allowing unlimited electrics the fair solution is to remove ALL engine/motor size limits and subject the entire model to a weight limit.  For openers:  1/2A - 12 ounces.  Profile and Fun - 12 pounds.  All other events - 16 pounds. 

Weight limits are OK  but care must be taken not to get them too low.  A multi-engine 1/2A can go way over 12 ounces in a heart beat.  
  

Here is a multi-engine 1/2A flown several times at the contests here in Tucson.  Four Norvel .061's.  Total weight is about 62 oz. ready to fly.

Four .061's equals .244 cubic inches of power, hardly a legitimate 1/2A.  You must have written the rules yourself to get away with that.

A 1/2A is model with less than .050 cubic inches of ENGINE power.   Using an .061 stretches the rule to the breaking point.  Using an unlimited number of .061's totally demolishes the intent of the event.   If you want a multi-engine 1/2A get some .020's or .010's.

When rules are stretched to include bigger and heavier models those built to proper limits are rendered noncompetitive.  Mixing electric motors with 1/2A engines will be the death of the event.

Keith; I love your four engine Russia bomber. You have much more patience than I do when building a 1/2A scale ship. I would like to come out and fly with you guys sometime. I have enjoyed the VSC in the past and thinking your 1/2A contest might be a hoot. Correct me if I have the wrong information on this, can I send my 1/2A out to you guys and have a proxy pilot to fly it for me in your contest?  That would be cool.

Paul; "You must have written the rules yourself to get away with that." You are totally out of line here, not a great way to make friends in the scale community. For everyone's information I am the author of the 1/2A scale rules. Many people (eight) had impute as the rules were taking shape over the two years invested and the main objective was to keep it simple.

Fred; You and any other C D has the option to fly your contest as you see fit. Why should 1/2A be any different than the other scale classes. If time does not permit two flights, don't require two flights. This was to keep it uniform for the "Nats". I know that sharing the same flying area with other events (stunt) you only have so much time. Here is a suggestion for the coming years, if anyone want to host C/L scale than have it as a main draw and not a stepchild to other events. Space and time, what can we do?
As for the documentation issue. In my first Nats C/L scale competition years ago the two static judges called me to their table and questioned me as to why I had so much documentation, I replied I thought this was what I needed to have. They both replied " the more you have the more we can find wrong". Their advice was to present no more than is absolutely necessary. (good advise for any scale competitor) You can put 1 or 10 pictures per page and have enough for adequate documentation.

Back to my bat cave, still putting rivets on the 182. I'm up to 900 rivets. Hope to spray primer this Saturday, the temperature is predicted to be in the high 40's ( we have had 24 of the last 30 days below 0 temps).

Blessings
Allen

REMEMBER TO REGISTER FOR THE NATS EARLY, OUR AWARDS ARE BASED ON THE NUMBERS, THANKS.

Thanks Keith. After I get the 182 in paint I'll get a twin 1/2A of some kind in the works.
I know you or Mike sent me your 1/2A rules sometime back but they are not around now, could you send them again?

Blessings
Allen

...I know you or Mike sent me your 1/2A rules sometime back but they are not around now, could you send them again?

Blessings
Allen

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Allen:
Shoot me an email: vsc-guy(at)cox(dot)net and I'll fix you up.  Our rules are undergoing some minor 'tweaks' right now, although are basically the same as in previous years.  The only 'open' item today is the October dates - possibly 11 & 12, but that's TBD.
Mike

--- and Allen Brickhaus' Dornier Do 335 ---  (Proxy flown.)