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Offline Paul Smith

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LA 25 Racing,, Ontario & Michigan
« on: December 08, 2006, 07:51:44 AM »
The popular new event up here in the Northwest Territories is LA 25 Racing.

Pretty much like the old Fox Sport Race, except with an LA 25.  It has drawn much more interest that the Fox because competative engines are AVAILABLE to ALL.  This is in contrast to Fox Racing, where a small number of experts have been able to get descent performance without getting busted.

Maybe some day 'tricked up" LA's will emerge, but it hasn't happened yet.

The original plan was "ARF Streaks only", but the current thinking is that airframes don't mean much so just use any sport plane, fox racer, or slow combat design.
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Re: LA 25 Racing,, Ontario & Michigan
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2006, 03:15:29 PM »
I bet it won't take them long to find the right purpose built airplane for this event.
I see a foxbat about to emerge with a LA 25 in it.

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Re: LA 25 Racing,, Ontario & Michigan
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2006, 03:37:53 PM »
Maybe so, but whatever shakes out, I'm sure I can build it with bench stock and with no  new money.

I could not bring myself to spend $76 for an ARF Streak (the original proposal).   I consider that product flimsey and over-priced.  Others are welcome to it.  If it comes to this, I'll build my own AFR Streak.
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Re: LA 25 Racing,, Ontario & Michigan
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2006, 07:10:03 PM »
Some good sport race designs for the LA25's are the Artesian and Super Fly. The Mongoose is also a good design, but can be made better by reducing the wing thickness to the allowed 1". The Artesian was designed and kitted by the late Dick Peterson from the Seattle area. I currently campaign two Artesisan's and they are great racing airplanes.

There is one other design that makes a good sport race airplane and that is the Vulture, which I think is actually a profile carrier design.

I'm in agreement with you on the ARF Flightstreak. One of our club members bought one to use in our sport race event, and quickly found out how flimsey they really are. The fuselage is Built up, not solid. He found the fuselage area around the motor mounts crushed very easily. Also, the thick blunt forward high point airfoil of the "streak" is good for stunt, but the purpose built 1" thick airfoils with thinner leading edge and highpoint further back are better for racing.

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Re: LA 25 Racing,, Ontario & Michigan
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2006, 07:02:09 AM »
One further note:

The purists in Toronto had their races on the main paved circle, with limitied success.

Other races in Detroit and Dresden were flown on the grass Combat venue.  Much better success !!!  Beginners (to racing) were more willing to enter and experts weren't afraid to fly with them.

My old Fox racer got mid-aired by an AFR Streak.  It cost me almost a minute to get the flipper glued back on.  The ARF Streak was disintegrated.   If this happend on concrete, two LA 25's would be added to the body count.

Furthermore, the LA 25 is also good for Speed Limit Combat and Old Time Stunt, so even if the event doesn't fly, the engine will.
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Re: LA 25 Racing,, Ontario & Michigan
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2006, 06:21:06 PM »
We talked the Reading Flyers to host the first ever LAFOXberg a couple years ago.  It worked out fine.  With the standard needlevalve and venturi for the LA 25CL it ran middle of the pack with the various Foxes.  Nice and smooth running, easy to handle, and easy to pit.  A perfectly fitted Fox may be faster, but nobody has really worked much on the LA's.
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Re: LA 25 Racing,, Ontario & Michigan
« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2006, 02:07:33 PM »
I'm more of a loyal follower than a leader on this one.

Both of the airplanes I've used to dated have been old "Fox Racers".  I didn't notice any loss of speed at all.   Which is to say, they could probably allow Fox 35 Stunts to compete engine-a-engino vs the LA 25 with no need for handicapping.

The whole idea of the thing is to not "work with the LA", but simply to use it.  The common routine is to unbolt one from a Speed Limit Combat Plane (during the scrapping-out phase) and put it on a Racer.
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Re: LA 25 Racing,, Ontario & Michigan
« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2006, 02:35:39 PM »
The 2006 race at reading was won by an OS 25 LA with a metal back plate and an APC 8 X 4 prop  It won because of one flip restarts
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Re: LA 25 Racing,, Ontario & Michigan
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2006, 08:26:05 PM »
When everything is working right we consistantly get 2 or 3 flip start with a box stock Fox 35.  DOC Holliday
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Re: LA 25 Racing,, Ontario & Michigan
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2006, 08:56:47 AM »
The reason I suggested the LA 25 to the Reading club was that we'd found in combat that the stock LA 25 and a good, stock Fox 35 were virtually identical is performance.  It seemed to make sense to extend the Foxberg concept to another engine that is also readily available and has a few other nice features.

Don't doubt it though, if you get  couple dedicated racers into it, they will learn how to fine tune an LA 25 and get more speed out of it.  Just like a stock Fox.  Careful selection of parts, getting exactly the right fits in the right spots, head clearance, squish band, etc.  It may be a little harder with the LA's though because OS makes the parts to very tight tolerances.
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Re: LA 25 Racing,, Ontario & Michigan
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2006, 05:46:48 PM »
Somebody who can get a Fox 35 Stunt to pit in 2 or 3 flips, and run a competitive speed, deserves to win every race.   The small number of folks who have achieved this is a large part of the reason for a new engine.

The other reason is the assurance that the first engine purchased will be a competitive unit.  The Fort Smith product was too much of a lottery deal.

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Re: LA 25 Racing,, Ontario & Michigan
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2006, 09:32:38 AM »
That and the unwanted vibration were my reasons for switching to better built engines.  I just wish that the NCLRA could have settled on one engine for their event instead of opening Pandora's box.
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