Author Topic: Golden Age Racing (Read 3473 times)

Bill Little · « **on:** November 24, 2006, 02:59:57 PM »

Clayton Smith, who posted the pictures of those beautiful Scale racing planes, and I have been incorrespondence about this event.

I have plans for the "Profile" class of two different planes. I am going to build one (or both) and see how they fly. Maybe some new interest will come in for these events.

In the "Profile" Class (as well as th efull fuselage class, I *think*), an OS 40FP is required, and the plane must have been a racer prior to WW II. Clayton has the rules, and I hope he posts them here, soon.

Bill Little · « **Reply #1 on:** November 25, 2006, 11:34:09 PM »

Quote from: Rudderless on November 25, 2006, 07:51:46 PM

HI Bill. Clayton sent me a set of the rules. I'll see if I can forward them to you or else just mail them. I have a set of plans for a Gee Bee, big fat yellow and black bumble bee. Should be fun to race.

Clayton also sent me the rules. I am looking into building a Profile of the Wedell Williams that Mike Garmon drew. He also drew a profile Gee Bee.

Wonder if the OS 40FP stipulation should still be there? They are easy to find, but OOP.

Bill <><

Ken Deboy · « **Reply #2 on:** November 28, 2006, 10:48:22 PM »

Quote from: Rudderless on November 26, 2006, 06:04:35 PM

Not only that, but I'll bet 99% of them have been modified for CLPA, not stock for racing. LA .40 instead?? Available, less expensive and the darn blue can be hidden under a cowling.

I agree, the LA .40 would be a much better choice than the FP, since it's currently in production. As for the ugly blue case, the LA is available in the correct (err... natural) finish as an RC, the carb can be EBay'd for enough money to pay for a venturi and NVA.

cheers,
Ken

john e. holliday · « **Reply #3 on:** November 29, 2006, 10:24:09 AM »

Hang on to that carb and needle valve assembly. The ones I sold didn't even pay for the one venturi for control line I got from Tower. DOC Holliday

Clayton Smith · « **Reply #4 on:** December 02, 2006, 05:54:29 PM »

Photos of profile Golden Age Racing Planes. White plane is the Howard "Pete". Green plane is the Granville Bros QED. Profiles use a OS40FP Spec Engine.

The profile models follow the same 36" minimum wing span requirement as the full fuselage racing models. Raced as a separate class.

Clayton Smith

Will Davis · « **Reply #5 on:** January 05, 2007, 08:26:34 PM »

Clayton/Bill

Attached is a photo of some of the Air Racers at one of the Huntersville NC Contest a few years back. Several of the models were laid out using the scale outline three views , enlarged to meet rule requirements . All had the same 36 inch wingspan rule . Lots of fun .

William Davis

Sonny Williams · « **Reply #6 on:** January 29, 2007, 07:46:17 AM »

Hey Bill, Clayton, and Wil, Since we haven't had a great deal of success with Foxburg Racing at our two contests in Huntersville, how about adding this event. I'll bet there is more interest than Foxburg. You could count me in. Come to the next meeting in February Bill and let's talk about it. Sonny

Bill Little · « **Reply #7 on:** January 29, 2007, 09:58:57 PM »

Quote from: Sonny Williams on January 29, 2007, 07:46:17 AM

Hey Bill, Clayton, and Wil, Since we haven't had a great deal of success with Foxburg Racing at our two contests in Huntersville, how about adding this event. I'll bet there is more interest than Foxburg. You could count me in. Come to the next meeting in February Bill and let's talk about it. Sonny

Hi Sonny,

If I didn't have so danged much to do, i could have one of thoee ready by then!
It is something I wouldn't mind doing at all!

BTW: Seems you are healing quickly!

Bill <><

chuck snyder · « **Reply #8 on:** January 30, 2007, 05:44:03 PM »

Jim Moore, most prolific builder of Golden Age racers, passed away last November and left his modeling stuff to me. It includes two racers ready to fly. I am hoping to go to Huntersville and fly scale, so I guess if I bring my Mew Gull and Jim's two models I could do a Jim Walker impersonation and have a three-up race all by myself.

Bill Little · « **Reply #9 on:** February 01, 2007, 10:42:55 PM »

Quote from: chuck snyder on January 30, 2007, 05:44:03 PM

Jim Moore, most prolific builder of Golden Age racers, passed away last November and left his modeling stuff to me. It includes two racers ready to fly. I am hoping to go to Huntersville and fly scale, so I guess if I bring my Mew Gull and Jim's two models I could do a Jim Walker impersonation and have a three-up race all by myself.

Hi Chuck,

As Sonny said above, we *might* have this class for an event. We wil keep everyone updated.

Bring those planes of Mr. Moore!

Bill <><

chuck snyder · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2007, 06:46:20 AM »

Bill,
If you "have and event" don't worry about trophies or awards. I just want to fly a race, have some fun, get a little adrenaline flowing and get all sweaty and out of breath running around in a circle. There has got to be more to C/L than flying the same stunt pattern time and time again.

Scott Jenkins · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2007, 06:51:08 AM »

Hi all,
Golden Age racing as an event. Right now the rules seem to be in limbo with a very basic criteria and this is a good thing.
But could someone be a little more specific. As I understand the rules for this event are.

1. Aircraft form the Golden Age of Racing.
2. 36" minimum wingspan minimun chord thickness ?
3. Profile fuselage.
4. Motor of .40 displacement. Any motor ?
5. Aircraft must be scale in appearance.
6. Fuel, AMA standard mix ?
7. Appearance points

How about line size I am guessing 60' .018 diameter stranded.
Races 70 laps heats and 140 lap finals
Pitstops ?
Tank size ?
Fuel shutoff ? Safety issue ?
Minimum 3 up racing ?

Please note I am not trying to complicate this event just understand the rules.

Scott

Bill Little · « **Reply #12 on:** February 02, 2007, 10:08:21 AM »

Quote from: Scott Jenkins on February 02, 2007, 06:51:08 AM

Hi all,
Golden Age racing as an event. Right now the rules seem to be in limbo with a very basic criteria and this is a good thing.
But could someone be a little more specific. As I understand the rules for this event are.

1. Aircraft form the Golden Age of Racing.
2. 36" minimum wingspan minimun chord thickness ?
3. Profile fuselage.
4. Motor of .40 displacement. Any motor ?
5. Aircraft must be scale in appearance.
6. Fuel, AMA standard mix ?
7. Appearance points

How about line size I am guessing 60' .018 diameter stranded.
Races 70 laps heats and 140 lap finals
Pitstops ?
Tank size ?
Fuel shutoff ? Safety issue ?
Minimum 3 up racing ?

Please note I am not trying to complicate this event just understand the rules.

Scott

Hi Scott,

There are two classes for this event: Profile and full fuselage. Clayton Smith has the original rules (as I amsure Chuck does, too). We will see what happens during the next couple of meetings of the MCLS as to whether or not we can add this event. We have had it in the past! Foxberg has not done well recently here, and our club Pres. is pondering the idea.

Originally, the Profiles were limited to box stock FP 40s. This will probably need revisiting since they are long OOP. Maybe the LA 40 instead (or as well), still "box stock".

Don't know about the "Full fuselage" event. I would probably like that as well, if not better, but it is a "time investment" in a SCALE built up plane that could hinder this class.

Will keep everyone posted.

Bill <><

roger · « **Reply #13 on:** May 26, 2008, 07:44:45 AM »

hi
boy i sure would like to get a st of those plans for that "pete" racer how do i get them? thats a great size. also need a set of rules.

roger @rmiata@alltel.net
r. zavoda
4951 lane rd.
perry twp. ohio
44081

Thomas Wilk · « **Reply #14 on:** May 26, 2008, 05:04:19 PM »

Howard Pete / 1999 MA Oct p46 / 40.75 span / 325.00 area / .32-.40 engien / plan # 881 / designed by Beatty, Frank W.

Tom Wilk
Old magazine plans on CD
www.cpinternet.com/~tawilk36

roger · « **Reply #15 on:** May 26, 2008, 06:23:40 PM »

dosent any body just have the plans for howard pete? instead of going through all that red tape? jeeeeeeze!

roger

roger · « **Reply #16 on:** June 01, 2008, 05:06:32 AM »

looking for a profile plan of howards old pete say 36" like the one in this article
roger

Dalton Hammett · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2008, 01:46:26 PM »

Roger --- Haven't seen you in a while now. Hope you will be out to some of our events this year...

I have a set of the large Mike Garmon Wendel Williams racer plans if anyone needs one. It is close
to 60" span so would have to scale down to size. I hope to have one of these in the air before the end of
summer.

Dalton H.

roger · « **Reply #18 on:** June 12, 2008, 02:01:19 PM »

B~>
hey d yes gas prices got us all crazy

still around though.need plans for a pete profile would be good

roger

roger · « **Reply #19 on:** June 13, 2008, 11:11:27 AM »

hey...
i sure would like a set of those plans d, how much ill get it out to ya..

roger zavoda
4951 lane rd.
perry twp, oh
44081

roger · « **Reply #20 on:** June 19, 2008, 05:16:14 PM »

hey clay
any chance of getting those plans from you?

roger

Dalton Hammett · « **Reply #21 on:** June 20, 2008, 07:50:49 AM »

Hi Roger --- Will you be at our meeting on the 29th

? I will give you the plan then if your
comming. The meeting will be at the Albion field (its in the newsletter that you haven't received
yet).

Dalton H.

roger · « **Reply #22 on:** June 20, 2008, 11:34:37 AM »

hi d.
is this the plan for
the pete?

roger

roger · « **Reply #23 on:** June 20, 2008, 01:48:46 PM »

clay
id like to see some differant angles pics. of pete if you got um.

Clayton Smith · « **Reply #24 on:** June 20, 2008, 03:49:14 PM »

Roger:

Here are some more photos of the Howard Pete profile model and the full fuselage model. These Golden Age Racers are flown two or three up much like rat racers using 40 engines on 60 foot lines. No pit stops however just a flat out race.

Clayton Smith
AMA 16879

Dalton Hammett · « **Reply #25 on:** June 21, 2008, 06:51:11 AM »

Roger -- The plan I have is the big Wadell Williams racer - about 60" and its a
profile.

Dalton H.

roger · « **Reply #26 on:** June 21, 2008, 03:53:16 PM »

d.
ok ill try to make the meeting next week need directions to the field , never been there. also for clayton (PE**)wow ! nice planes. need those plans for profile pete. do you have them?

?
roger.

Clayton Smith · « **Reply #27 on:** June 21, 2008, 06:07:02 PM »

Roger:

I used old Cleveland Models three-view drawing that I rescaled on a copy machine and then fabricated parts to match the three-view. I built it before the excellent October 1999 AMA Model Aviation plan was published.

The October 1999 Model Aviation article and excellent plans would be the thing to use now. They are a bargain from AMA. Or go to the AMA Website Archive ( need to be AMA Member) for October 1999 article. Excellent article and you could print pages having plan and resize on copy machine. All you really need for a profile build are the three views and just build it as you would any profile model.

The Wedell Williams 44 that you have already have access to plans is nice plane. but the paint job is a challenge.

Clayton
AMA 16879

roger · « **Reply #28 on:** June 21, 2008, 07:45:29 PM »

clay
thanks for your help all your planes are great...

roger

Dalton Hammett · « **Reply #29 on:** June 23, 2008, 09:42:38 AM »

Roger --- I thought you were at our meet last year -- it's on 6n just east of Albion, Pa.
The number is 10,000 on the mailbox -- after you go through Albion you will start up a long
grade and we are the second house on the left side. The field is in back- the meeting is at 1:00
but flying will start at 10:00 AM.

Dalton

roger · « **Reply #30 on:** June 23, 2008, 07:03:35 PM »

d.
i_wasmat your field last summer, but i thought this meeting was at the albion airport. sorry if i was arong just getting old i guess. hope to see you

roger

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roger · « **Reply #31 on:** June 23, 2008, 07:08:52 PM »

also what exit off 90 forgot that two better yet give me the whole thing again...

Dalton Hammett · « **Reply #32 on:** June 24, 2008, 10:48:08 AM »

OK Roger ---
Come to the first exit in Pa. --- West Springfield/Cherry Hill and exit - turn right on 6n

Go through Albion on 6n - on the east side you will go up a long grade

there is a Taxidermy shop at the top and we are the next place on the north side

Brown brick & stone house - flying in the rear......

See Ya. DH 814-756-5572