Hi
I've been in touch with Dave within last 10 days - we have exchanged emails - send me your contact info and I will fwd it to him.
Lyle

Willis,
         Thank you, the plane arrived yesterday. I think that we can make it into a kit that can be used as a "Goodyear", "Mouse I", "Mouse II" and "Proto". What do you think? Remember We are not making serious competition models, just fun planes.
Thanks
Larry 

 Hi, I had a very nice conversation with Dave this evening, what a neat guy. I ordered 2 kits, he has been building as long as I have. I built my first Ringmaster in 1952. I wish there were more of him out there.

 Walter

This is why I would like to see a speed limit.  Instead of venturis, control it with the prop.  Still rrequire 10% nitro fuel.  DOC Holliday

Truthfully now, how many others would enter and fly the event if it was slower? It's easy enough to do if people are serious about it. Is anybody serious

 I think there are more people than you think, that are serious about it, but there will always be  that one or two people that want to win at all costs. I'm perfectly happy flying at 85+mph, 3 up,relying
on hot starts, etc, having fun. I've won my share of trophy's, that's not really important now to a lot of people.

 Walter

Speed limited combat works because speed is only a part of the event.  While speed is only part of racing, the real path to hold the performance down to the levels being discussed is to drop the available power possible in the setup. 

First, go to a standard fuel. 

Second, limit the amount of fuel.

Third, limit the fuel delivery system.  No pressure fuel systems (crankcase, bladder, or pump).

Fourth, limit the engine.  My recommendation is drop the displacement to a .15 size engine.  Should be easy to try with an aluminum adapter plate that would allow someone to bolt in a .15 in place of the .29 engine.

Dave

I'm not the best person to continue in this discussion.  My son and I fly mostly unlimited racing events.  F2C, Mouse 1, and Mouse 2.  That is fun for us.  And no, it isn't about winning.  Our record proves that.  It is about having fun and racing.  The only "limited" event we fly is Topeka/Wichita Class 2 Goodyear.  We are considering adding TQR this year.

If the goal is to race authentic, vintage B Team Racers, then a speed limit is likely the best approach.  Forget controlling props, venturis, and even fuel.  Have the CD catch one or more times during the race and DQ or add laps or add time for anyone going faster than the limit.  Other than the increased workload during the race for the CD, it makes it easy to comply with the limit.  It would also allow modern B Team Racers to run in your event.  Simply detune to the speed limit.

Dave

If you have enough entries, it is relatively simple to seed the models by speed.

Obviously if there are enough entries the contest runs 2 classes.

The problem is the situation where everything gets thrown in to the same races.  A vast difference is speed actually makes the slower pilot work much harder.  It slows down the fast model some, but the slow model's pilot generally finds himself getting pushed to the outside and running to try to stay in the center.  Believe it or not, the safest way to fly the slower model is to stand up straight and stay in the center with the faster pilots.  Don't try to stay out of their way.  Don't bend over trying to make it easier on the other pilots.  Otherwise you'll find yourself out in the boonies wondering where the center is.  Put your model about 6 feet off the ground and fly.  But stay in the center with the other pilots and stand tall.  They will be able to pass you without you doing anything to make it easier.  It will be easier on everyone (especially you) and you will enjoy the race more.

BTW, some pilots like to take a step back when they pass.  This moves the center of rotation back and to your left after they pass.  If you are flying with someone that uses that technique, simply move back and slightly left with them when they pass.  That way you don't end up out of position and running to try and get back where you should be with respect to the other pilots.

Enjoy!

Dave

Glad too that people are responding to this.  Planes that look like planes with pilots.  As Dave says the pilot needs to stay in the middle even if he is slower.  Got to meet Dankar and am anxious to get home and see the plane/engine I got off of him.  Me and my memory I have met him in the past and he is a great gentleman.  As far as pitting I think us older folk can pit, it's just we need some pilots.  Thought I had three new pilots after Denver one year.  Maybe yet when they get tired of sports.  DOC Holliday