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Online Fredvon4

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Spray Luster Kote
« on: March 21, 2016, 01:04:39 PM »
Got a Mike Griffen ARF ringmaster and decided to change color. I had asked for white wings and red fuselage

This plane is probably going to hit dirt and suffer poor piloting for a while so I just stripped the fuselage mono Kote and started prepping for Blue paint and silver canopy with a foundation of CF and Sig Nitrate

Ended up using Top Flight's Luster Kote White primer, then Blue, wait a 2 days , mask and shoot canopy silver, wait a 2 days and shot clear.

Waited a week ( OK only 5 days) and then put felt cloth in the jaws of my Cheap HF version of a work mate to hold fuselage while aligning wing to glue in.  Once I got it level and square, pre glued with CA to keep position and when I removed the fuselage to set on end to Epoxy---

The felt left a pattern imprint in the LusterKote.... very very annoyed.


I am sure I can wet sand and then polish it out but what the F..... does this stuff ever get hard enough to handle without this kind of grief?

I have never used this product before...mostly a silk and REAL dope guy... never ever had REAL dope take in imprint like this after a few days gassing off and getting hard
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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2016, 01:25:53 PM »
Hi there! Lol
This product is hit or miss. Often times it dries too fast, and is too hard which leads to cracking. I've found that you can never tell how long it's sat on the LHS shelf, so you have to shake it for a month...
I will say though, I've never kept a plane with lusterkote long enough to see the long term effects though.

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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2016, 06:04:56 PM »
Yeah, I've used the clear a lot, but I always have to give it the touch test, and when a reasonable touch without too much pressure doesn't leave a fingerprint, then it's done. If you do leave a light print from the touch test, it usually goes away. Strictly sport plane stuff, I think. I use it on my stunters, but after the initial beauty of a finished model, I usually don't much care what it looks like. The Lustrekote on my Yak is still beautiful after a few years though. It spider webbed on the Shoestring, and I think that's because I laid it on too thick. And punished it learning the beginner pattern.
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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2016, 06:42:35 PM »
I've used it on a few sport profile models. Yes, it does take a while to cure, but it will dry. I usually left it alone in the hot garage for a couple weeks and let it cure. Really fuel proof stuff after full cure.
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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2016, 07:03:34 PM »
Got a Mike Griffen ARF ringmaster and decided to change color. I had asked for white wings and red fuselage

This plane is probably going to hit dirt and suffer poor piloting for a while so I just stripped the fuselage mono Kote and started prepping for Blue paint and silver canopy with a foundation of CF and Sig Nitrate

Ended up using Top Flight's Luster Kote White primer, then Blue, wait a 2 days , mask and shoot canopy silver, wait a 2 days and shot clear.

Waited a week ( OK only 5 days) and then put felt cloth in the jaws of my Cheap HF version of a work mate to hold fuselage while aligning wing to glue in.  Once I got it level and square, pre glued with CA to keep position and when I removed the fuselage to set on end to Epoxy---

The felt left a pattern imprint in the LusterKote.... very very annoyed.


I am sure I can wet sand and then polish it out but what the F..... does this stuff ever get hard enough to handle without this kind of grief?

I have never used this product before...mostly a silk and REAL dope guy... never ever had REAL dope take in imprint like this after a few days gassing off and getting hard

Fred,
Heat up the spray cans in steel pan filled hot running tap water.  Then shake the crap out of the spray can them place it back in the hot water for another ten minutes.  Spray on the color and place the model in a warm room and let dry.  I know it sounds crazy, but it works.  Do the same with the clear.

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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2016, 07:56:22 PM »
Just used some myself on the fuse of this model. Had my moments with it. Got a bit of spidering too. Sanded it out and resprayed. More than likely my fault as I rush everything. My curse.
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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2016, 09:22:29 PM »
Mikey filled in an important point we've missed so far. Shake it till your arm is about to fall off, and get it pretty dang hot. Purge the can's plumbing thoroughly before pointing it at your work too. And I shake it a little after almost every pass. If it's a plane that function outweighs beauty, you can fly it in 24 hours.

It's also really good for sealing Testors inkjet waterslide decals before you cut them out. They don't react at all, you can blast them as hard and fast as you like, and dunk them in water to apply in 30 minutes.
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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2016, 08:24:42 AM »
Thanks all I appreciate your thoughts

I learned a bit back about heat and shake and heat and shoot while shaking

The Luster cote primer went on well as did the blue and silver and at each step I let it all gas off for two days with light sanding and tack rag wipe down before next light coats...final was two coats of clear and she sat 5 days before I started aligning he wing and I thought the soft felt in the jaws of the work mate would prevent a straight edge impression (I do not tighten the WM more than what is necessary to hold the fuselage firmly enough to get the wing in and squared up)

A few years back I got several cans of this stuff from LHS and they were duds-- I suspect had been on the shelf too long

These cans are recent from Tower

No real problem fixing with 800 wet, mask, and shoot a quick coat of clear then go see if Sean McEntee can trim it out before I perform a perfect figure 9 with this RIngMaster

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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2016, 10:59:40 AM »
I tried to talk myself into painting the fuse before putting the wing in a couple of days ago. Seems like painting would be easier, but decided against it because it'll invariably get dinged and smudged as I'm working on all he last details. Fred, maybe a hot hair dryer will smooth it back out. Not a heat gun though.
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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2016, 11:32:22 AM »
I used to assemble combat planes like the profile fuselage Mongoose, then cover and paint but too many times the masking tape left same kind of imprint or moving it all around I would damage the wing

So now cover and paint things then assemble but usually using dope and dope colors.... usually by the time I assemble the Sig or Randolph dope is plenty hard enough to not smudge and skuff

This was an attempt with the rattle an stuff and all I can guess is it takes much longer than I waited to get hard enough

I have two of the sample cans of KBS clear diamond top coat to try on next build
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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2016, 06:35:36 PM »

No real problem fixing with 800 wet, mask, and shoot a quick coat of clear then go see if Sean McEntee can trim it out before I perform a perfect figure 9 with this RIngMaster


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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2016, 07:13:02 PM »
The stuff has a long life. I built a Ringmaster 15-20 yrs ago and used the cream and red without primer. The finish is still holding up and it hasn't been a hanger queen. I remember it sprayed thick but covered well and the nozzle spattered a bit.  The highest nitro used is 10% so its at least that resistant. They don't have the same colors as before so touching it up is a bummer.
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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2016, 08:44:56 PM »
Bill mentions the most common Lustrekote complaint, that the spray sometimes spits. The heat helps minimize that, plus makes any spitball flow and level out. This is not a lightweight painting system. I always press the nozzle on each pass while aimed just beside my work target and most of the spittle will miss it. I do that with all rattlecan paint... you reading this Charles? In case you get another experimental bug in yer britches Lol.

I use it with 35% in my 1/2A planes and never had a problem. I don't pamper them though, just fly the crap out of 'em.
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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2016, 08:11:42 AM »
Dan

Thanks, yes Sean and I are in e-mail contact and he is planning to help me early April

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Re: Spray Luster Kote
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2016, 07:23:53 PM »
Sounds like this stuff has a lot in common with Rust-O-Leum gloss paints.  They all work for a relatively fuel proof finish but otherwise somewhat similar problems but about half the price.  The clear though doesn't even pretend to be fuel proof.  Fuel takes it right off.
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