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Rick_Huff

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orange peel in Ultracote
« on: June 13, 2013, 10:40:48 AM »
I just used Ultracote for the first time.  The wing it was applied to was dope over carbon veil and sanded perfectly smooth to 1000 grit prior to application.  After application, the Ultracoat has a very fine "orange peel" appearance everywhere except over the open bays.  Did I do something wrong?
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Re: orange peel in Ultracoat
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2013, 01:42:36 PM »
I've been using it for several years over my Rustoleum Automotive Enamel colors. Only recently, on my last two planes, have I had this orange peel happen. I blamed it on myself for applying it too heavy handedly. But after reading posts here, it could possibly be the new VOC changes. I've been very successful if I spray it on extremely lightly and build up several coats. I let it dry for almost an hour between coats, and only after several light coats, then lay it on thicker for the glassy look. If you go light enough it even works on water slide decals without bubbling. But you have to go even lighter with them. They get glassy without a final thick coat. I think I was too impatient on my Shoestring this Spring and had a couple of patches of wrinkly paint. Luckily it was on the under side, because fixing a patch never looks as good as it did. I was pretty irritated because it looked as pretty as any model I've ever done before the Lustrekote. Black Rustoleum seems to be more susceptible than other colors.

It looks good if you don't inspect it too closely(that's not a painted wing)
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Re: orange peel in Ultracote
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2013, 01:59:16 PM »
Rusty,
I see that spelled "ultracote" incorrectly.  Ultracote is an iron-on, thermal shrink covering.  Sorry for the confusion.
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Re: orange peel in Ultracote
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2013, 02:12:38 PM »
Rusty,
I see that spelled "ultracote" incorrectly.  Ultracote is an iron-on, thermal shrink covering.  Sorry for the confusion.
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Oh. I could have contributed to the confusion. I had Lustrekote in my mind as I hammered away at the keyboard.

As for Ultracote, I've always liked it better than Monokote, but only covered the open wing bays, so nothing like your project.
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Re: orange peel in Ultracote
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2013, 09:35:29 AM »
How long did the dope dry before you covered it? It really looks like perhaps the heat from the covering iron caused the dope to dry out further and the ornage peal from the dope shrunk out and showed again
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Re: orange peel in Ultracote
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2013, 09:43:03 AM »
Mark,
It was a couple of weeks, so I hope it was all dry.  I looked very carefully at it today and I can see the orange peel in the open bays too, but not as obvious.  Does Ultracote just do this?
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Re: orange peel in Ultracote
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2013, 09:44:19 AM »
I achieved a look like that on my latest ride, using Monocoat film over Rustoleum.  In shrinking the Monocoat I got things warm enough to blister the Rustoleum.

I don't know if that happened to you -- I've never had it happen with Ultracoat or old Monocoat, but the new stuff is a horror and I had to get it pretty hot to get it to shrink.

I suspect that Mark's idea is more likely the correct one, but if you were altogether too enthusiastic with the heat gun you may have blistered the dope.
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Re: orange peel in Ultracote
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2013, 10:54:01 AM »
Ultracote does have a bit of "texture" to it versus Monokote,, so its possible, however I dont know if it would be that pronounced,,

remember that with dope,, ( and any airdry materials) how vast you apply it,, humidity and temp all make a HUGE difference in how fast it actually dries out,,
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Re: orange peel in Ultracote
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2013, 04:41:52 PM »
My Ultracote wings are all smooth, no texture at all. I don't use a heat gun, just an iron, if that's any clue at all.
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Re: orange peel in Ultracote
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2013, 04:59:20 PM »
I used an iron on the wood parts and a heat gun over the bays.  The iron was 220 degrees and I didn't (didn't need to) go over it with any higher temps.  It's a Twister wing, so pretty easy to cover.  I'm going to try covering a flat piece of metal and see how that comes out.  Maybe I'm just being too "picky" about the surface quality. 
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Re: orange peel in Ultracote
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2013, 06:00:35 PM »
Ok, I polished a piece of stainless steel and applied the Ultracote.  Got the same fine texture ( I won't call it orange peel anymore).  I guess its just the nature of the beast. 
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I don't suppose you could polish it?


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Re: orange peel in Ultracote
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2013, 10:55:02 PM »
Maybe it's something new about Ultracote. Due to colors I needed, I was forced to stock up on Monokote last year and have been patiently waiting to run out. So the last batch of Ucote I had was probably manufactured in 2011. I'm pretty darn picky about the look of my jobs and would have noticed any texture. I prefer ultra because I like the wide temperature difference between adhesion and shrinking. With Mono, the temps overlap.
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Re: orange peel in Ultracote
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2013, 11:25:29 PM »
Its not really "texture" in a way you may be thinking,, I guess its easier to say it does not have the plastic gloss of Monokote,, more that of a paint gloss,,
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