News:


  • May 10, 2024, 12:18:24 AM

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: first time using Ultracote  (Read 7338 times)

Offline rich gorrill

  • 23 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • *
  • Posts: 392
first time using Ultracote
« on: December 09, 2015, 06:46:54 AM »
Hi All,  I've read the directions that come with the roll, they are very through pertaining to temp settings for tacking and shrinking the covering. Are there any tricks I should know about. Anyone with experience using Ultracote please chime in. I will do a few test pieces but I am trying to avoid any surprises.

TIA, Rich

Offline BillP

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 513
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2015, 07:48:18 AM »
I use moneycote when ultracote doesn't have the colors but prefer ultracote because it's more user friendly. The glue is easy to see and it helps gauge the heat. It seems to have a wider heat range before melting a hole though it like moneycote. I can't give a heat range but mark my iron for different coverings after trial and error is over. Ultra cote is more stretchy and doesn't sag in the sun as much as moneycote either.  A fellow flyer was saying how much he hated ultracote because the color delaminated from the film. One of my planes is the checkerboard and in places (very minor around punctures and abused wingtips) that has happened...but the plane is 15 or so years old and seen a lot of handling and flights. Amazingly the covering has never sagged and needed tightening. 
Bill P.

Offline Dane Martin

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2804
  • heli pilot BHOR
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2015, 02:18:34 PM »
Hi rich! If you are looking for specific temperatures i would say to adhere it at 250-275 with a sock. Try to apply the covering tight by hand, like stretching it on without shrinking while you apply it. The shrink rate is cool, it's got a broad heat range. 350 degrees is 100 % shrink rate. When done right, that shouldn't be necessary. Ultracote is easy to use, and can be repositioned. I personally use mostly Monokote. But not because i have any ill feelings towards ultracote

Offline Fredvon4

  • 23 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2099
  • Central Texas
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2015, 02:44:34 PM »
Dane...brother you made me giggle a bit.... I know what you mean but 100% shrink rate struck me as funny envisioning my covering dissappear


jest funnin around board cuz the WX sux here
"A good scare teaches more than good advice"

Fred von Gortler IV

Offline Dane Martin

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2804
  • heli pilot BHOR
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2015, 02:50:21 PM »
Dane...brother you made me giggle a bit.... I know what you mean but 100% shrink rate struck me as funny envisioning my covering dissappear


jest funnin around board cuz the WX sux here

Lol, i just thought out loud, "i was in the pool!!! " - George Castanza

Offline Target

  • C/L Addict
  • 2019 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1692
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2015, 08:45:02 PM »
MonoKote seems like it has a little more tensile strength than Ultracote, and the temp between stick and shrink a bit more defined.
But compound curves seem a little easier navigated with UC than MK? Wing tips seem a bit easier.
I feel that airframes that need help should get MK, and ones that are way curvy and already stiff in torsion should make use of UC.

I could be completely wrong about all the above.

Oh yeah, and sheeted foam wings should get UC, since you can get the job done at a lower temp and no chance for a delam (you never stop the heat anway on a foam wing, do you?!)

R,'
Chris
Regards,
Chris
AMA 5956

Offline Walter Hicks

  • 2018 Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • *
  • Posts: 377
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2015, 03:10:35 PM »
I just finished covering stab, elevator, flaps and wing of a Fancher Twister with Ultracote. THIS time I read the directions. I used a
Hanger 9 Iron and thermometer adhered the covering at 225 worked excellent ! Shrunk it at around 300 using Iron only no heat gun.
Very easy to use happy with the results. I tried some new things like using #11 scalpel blades to trim the Ultracote. I have 100s of them so
I may as well use them up. Worked OK.

My first experience with Ultracote was not good it sagged lots in the sun and could not keep it tight. However I used "Monokote "
methods to apply it including a heat gun. I think the key is really read the directions and do not use a heat gun or be very careful if you do.
You can get matching paint for the fuse from Wings West RC.







« Last Edit: December 17, 2015, 07:47:23 PM by Walter Hicks »

Offline john e. holliday

  • 24 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 22776
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2015, 10:57:21 AM »
You have hit the nail on the head when you said read the instructions.   I have used almost every kind of iron covering out there.  Each one has their method of application.   

By the way checker board pattern looks great.   
John E. "DOC" Holliday
10421 West 56th Terrace
Shawnee, KANSAS  66203
AMA 23530  Have fun as I have and I am still breaking a record.

Offline rich gorrill

  • 23 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • *
  • Posts: 392
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2015, 03:14:36 PM »
Nice looking job Walter, hope mine comes out that nice.

Rich

Offline Wade Bognuda

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Commander
  • ****
  • Posts: 132
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2015, 04:06:53 PM »
I found the "master" Faye Stilley's book on Amazon. A little pricey but very useful if are serious about iron-on coverings. The printed price is $12.95, I couldn't find one any cheaper than $40.00. Some sellers are charging as much $80.00.

Offline BillP

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 513
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2015, 07:39:31 AM »
Interesting about the heat gun.  I have one but stopped using it. An iron has worked fine for every covering I've used, even the cheapo stuff.  The only downside is my iron is old and its surface scratches the covering now.
Bill P.

Offline john e. holliday

  • 24 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 22776
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2015, 09:26:13 AM »
Make your self a sock that will fit over the iron.  May have to turn temp up slightly.  Old bed sheets or pillow cases work great.
John E. "DOC" Holliday
10421 West 56th Terrace
Shawnee, KANSAS  66203
AMA 23530  Have fun as I have and I am still breaking a record.

Offline Target

  • C/L Addict
  • 2019 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1692
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2015, 12:10:45 PM »
So do baby socks and a tie wrap.
Regards,
Chris
AMA 5956

Offline BillP

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Captain
  • *
  • Posts: 513
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #13 on: December 19, 2015, 05:26:07 PM »
I used a sock in the early days but took it off because I like the feel without it. Maybe I need to try one again and see if I still have the same opinion.
Bill P.

Offline Mike Griffin

  • 2018 Supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2760
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2015, 06:04:05 PM »
I use Ultracote, no sock, no heat gun(just the iron)

Mike

Offline Fredvon4

  • 23 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2099
  • Central Texas
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #15 on: December 21, 2015, 08:29:03 AM »
I am interested in trying Ultracote

Best place/price to buy it?

What is the difference in the weights of the stuff?

Better stated, I might use most on .35 sized combat wings and perhaps some on a 1/2a wing  none for competition

Are there any of the colors that just plain suck like I find with some of the other 'cotes?   Example, Brodak black is/was useless because color/glue stuck down but plastic lifted and would not stay stuck to the color/glue
"A good scare teaches more than good advice"

Fred von Gortler IV

Offline Dane Martin

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2804
  • heli pilot BHOR
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #16 on: December 21, 2015, 09:04:10 AM »
If you can look around, ultracote is oracover. Might be cheaper to look for that.
There are NO bad colors. No issues there. It's high quality, but a little pricey compared to the cheap stuff. But again, the quality is higher.
For 1/2A, try ultracote lite. It's awesome, easy to use and does curves like it's made of magic


Offline JIM Nordin

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Lieutenant
  • ***
  • Posts: 107
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #18 on: December 21, 2015, 07:05:58 PM »
Dane is spot on  Ora cover is the same as Ultracoat

Offline Dane Martin

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2804
  • heli pilot BHOR
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #19 on: December 21, 2015, 08:39:56 PM »
Cool links Chris!
Here's my opinion on ultracote. It covers well and makes nice overlapping colors because of the low adhesive temp. It's way different than Monokote in the way it's applied. If ultracote is applied over a wing for example, and the tightness of the covering is solely relied on shrinking down the covering, then it has the ability to relax in the sun. This is where the sagging comes from. To apply it, one must apply it in a way that the covering is tight without having to shrink it as much as possible. I believe the reason for this is also one of the key selling points of ultracote. That's it's repositionable. Because of this, the sagging would be caused by an application that gives the covering room to move. So pull it tight by hand while applying it. This is all my opinion of course. But i have good luck with ultracote.

Offline Target

  • C/L Addict
  • 2019 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1692
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #20 on: December 21, 2015, 10:38:21 PM »
Dane-
I noticed they added a "scale white" to the ultracote lite line up. I'll assume it's an opaque white. Could be useful.
I wish they had an opaque black in UL...
Maybe parklite in black could work for the 1/2a Stuka.
Regards,
Chris
AMA 5956

Offline Fredvon4

  • 23 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2099
  • Central Texas
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #21 on: December 22, 2015, 09:41:30 AM »
Thanks Chris

I had done the Google thing and found all that you linked to and I should have said so so nice guys like you did not have too

seems the prices for all the usual suspect are basically the same as Horizon's prices so I will do more searching focused on free or low cost shipping is as my usual on line shopping method

Now to decide on stock colors I might want....so much of my final finish is dictated by what is one hand. I rarely have a final color scheme in mind as I build a plane except when I want to copy the box art
"A good scare teaches more than good advice"

Fred von Gortler IV

Offline Dane Martin

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2804
  • heli pilot BHOR
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #22 on: December 22, 2015, 02:50:22 PM »
Sounds like a possibility Chris. I've never used parklite so i can't comment on it. Definitely something I'll check into myself. Maybe we should try it on something cheaper first? I can whip up a baby ringmaster to test it on. I have plans and balsa! Lol

Offline Target

  • C/L Addict
  • 2019 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1692
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2015, 10:19:33 AM »
Go Dane....
If you need a reason to build, I'll be it for you.

Fred, no worries. Anyone else that happens across this thread Matt find the links useful. The internet has many ugly issues, but that is one of beauty, in my opinion. I have a ba-zillion posts on rc groups, and plenty of people have talked Crap to me about the number, but, I have a ton of build threads on my blog with tens of thousands of views each. So I say sometimes posts help future viewers.
Merry Xmas all.
Regards,
Chris
AMA 5956

Offline Motorman

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • ******
  • Posts: 3269
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2015, 09:25:51 PM »
Was looking at the weight of ultracote.

Ultracote white .30 oz/ft, transparent .18 oz/ft

Ultracote lite .12 oz/ft

ParkLite 1.07 oz/sq ft.  (park fliers are not competition planes)

I've also read that ultracote lite goes around tips much easier.

How much does SLC weight?


MM

Offline Fredvon4

  • 23 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2099
  • Central Texas
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2015, 07:47:33 AM »
I think Phil Cartier said SLC is around 1 oz per sq yard ....loosly 28+/- grams per SQ meter

Here is an interesting list but does not have the SLC in it

https://www.homefly.com/reference/Covering%20Weights.htm

Hope this helps
"A good scare teaches more than good advice"

Fred von Gortler IV

Offline Dane Martin

  • 21 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 2804
  • heli pilot BHOR
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #26 on: December 26, 2015, 04:21:28 PM »
Chris, i just found it! Solarfilm (solite). Bp hobbies sells it. That's the black i was thinking of!

Offline Target

  • C/L Addict
  • 2019 supporter
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Admiral
  • *
  • Posts: 1692
Re: first time using Ultracote
« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2015, 10:04:45 PM »
Sweet! I'll check it out, thanks Dane and happy holidays.
R,
Chris
Regards,
Chris
AMA 5956


Advertise Here
Tags:
 


Advertise Here