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ADVICE ON SPRAY EQUIPMENT TO PURCHASE FOR SPRAYING DOPES
« on: August 02, 2010, 10:18:53 PM »
I plan to purchase a medium priced spray equipment system... HELP
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Re: ADVICE ON SPRAY EQUIPMENT TO PURCHASE FOR SPRAYING DOPES
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2010, 01:36:20 PM »
I plan to purchase a medium priced spray equipment system... HELP
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I would recommend a *Touch UP* gun and a full size gun.  HVLP would also be my choice.  You takes your chances with the cheap ones, so get the best you can afford.

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Re: ADVICE ON SPRAY EQUIPMENT TO PURCHASE FOR SPRAYING DOPES
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2010, 06:18:02 PM »
I myself started out years ago with a little air brush set that had separate air pump.  Used it for years and finally broke down and bought a big compessor(5 gal). Then bought the touch up gun.  Works great with the automotive paints, but have wnt back to the air brush set up for dope.  Last plane was even further back with 1 inch brush from start to finish.   H^^
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Re: ADVICE ON SPRAY EQUIPMENT TO PURCHASE FOR SPRAYING DOPES
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2010, 07:04:05 AM »
Dick, what do you consider medium priced  ??? ??? Harbour Freight has probobly your most reasonable priced units. You should be able to get set up for less than 150.00-200.00. I've seen Windy's set up on his DVD's and he painted alot of award winning planes with 25.00 spray guns (your mileage may vary).
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Re: ADVICE ON SPRAY EQUIPMENT TO PURCHASE FOR SPRAYING DOPES
« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2010, 07:41:25 PM »
A decent compressor shouldn't cost too much.  There are two basic types. Those with diaphram pumps and those with piston pumps.  The diaphram type is usually cheaper but they tend to be noisy.  Piston types are a bit quieter but do require a bit of maintenance like changing the oil once in a while.  Get the biggest tank you can afford as the larger the tank the less the compressor will have to cycle while you are painting.  I have a 60 gallon tank with a diaphram type but I have a large enough shop that is isolated so the noise isn't a problem.
For guns the best thing I've found for painting the size airplanes I fly has been the auto touch-up gun.  The ones I like best are marketed by Campbell Hausfeld.  They are your basic Chinese made guns, but are a bit higher quality than the ones you get from outfits like Harbour Freight.  I have 4 of them, one for clear, one for filler, one for white and one for color.  That may sound like a bit much but just try painting white with a gun that has been used for red.  I also have a sheap Pacche air brush for doing trim work.
Try and get the highest quality for the money you have to spend.  There is nothing worse than having guns that don't work properly and a compressor that is running constantly while you are trying to concentrate on laying down a proper coat of finish.
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Re: ADVICE ON SPRAY EQUIPMENT TO PURCHASE FOR SPRAYING DOPES
« Reply #5 on: August 16, 2010, 10:28:46 AM »
Reasonable price depends on your perspective, I suppose. I have 3 guns and two airbrushes. The guns range from an inexpensive DeVilbiss Starting Line full sized gun that I use to shoot primer (about $50) to a SATA MiniJet touchup gun (about $300 and I got a deal on it). I have a Harbor Freight piston type upright 3HP air compressor that was pretty cheap. I think around $125 (two years ago) and seems to work pretty well.

Best advice if you are doing this for the first time is get a decent compressor with at least a 20 gallon tank and something like a Finex FX1000 touch up gun. They run about a hundred bucks and are very predictable and repeatable and will last a long time. If you wear something out, parts are easily available.
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Re: ADVICE ON SPRAY EQUIPMENT TO PURCHASE FOR SPRAYING DOPES
« Reply #6 on: August 20, 2010, 06:31:03 AM »
There is a 3rd type of compressor pump to be aware of. Sears and some other DIY type stores sell what appear to be a traditional belt driven piston type compressor. The difference is that they use a sealed bearing on the crank end of the piston rod, and do not have a sealed crankcase full of oil.

They are quieter than the diapraghm type, and seem to work well and supply plenty of PSI for our use. The problem is that when using them on a project that requires the compressor to run fairly frequently ( like shooting primer with a traditional siphon gun, or running a DA sander) the compressor overheats, the piston / cylinder get hot ( no oil bath to help cool the piston) and the piston starts seizing in the cylinder bore.

This causes the rod to break from the load, and sometimes wipes out the entire compressor pump. The replacement parts are  / were readily available and easy to replace. I rebuit mine 2 times, then gave up and got a 5hp / 60 gallon vertical tank unit. It is a copy of an Ingersol Rand commercal unit, marketed under the Coleman brand and named the " Black Max" series.  Any similar style will work and last lots longer than the "Oilless piston type".  Harbor Freight sell some in this category that are ok for home / shop use and pretty affordable.

Check Craigslist and the want ads in your area, some really good units are 20-30 years old and look like crap, i.e dusty, grimy, covered with paint overspray etc. Some are junk but if they are name brand like Ingersoll Rand or Campbell Hausfield, they will probably still have plenty life left if they have been maintained at all.

On used compressors the things to check are :

1. Tank drain valve / tank condition.
If drain valve is free and you can open / close it easily that is an indication that the tank was drained on a fairly regular basis. If you open it and some stained / rusty lokking water runs out - that doesn't mean it is junk- just look it over extra carefully.  If it is stuck closed with rust, won't open, or opens and won't drain- then there may be deteriotaion due to water collection / rust inside the tank. Be wary - a rusted tank could rupture - bad news.

2. Compressor - Check the oil, it should be close to full, and look fairly decent. Darkening / black can still be O.K. Milky white, rusty, or thick /gummy / stinky indicates lack of maintenance.  Turn it over by hand and rock the pulley in / out, side to side to check for excessive wear / play. Also look to see if the seals are leaking oil.

3. Motor / belt / switch /. Motor should not looked overheated or smell burnt. Belts are often dry rotted / cracked. Pressure switch / on-off (usually a box mounted near motor with a lever, relief valve,  motor wires running to it) should move easily and stay in position when changed from on to off.

If it looks OK - power it up and listen to it run, should not knock or clank, have excessive vibration, or leak air all over the place. You don't have to take the tank to full pressure, let it build to 50 PSI or so and shut it down. Listen for leaks at fittings etc. Start it back up to make sure the motor will start under a load and not trip breakers or built in over current / temp switches in the motor.

I could go on but you should get the general idea, lots like buying a used car or piece of equipment. Deals are out there- but you have to do a bit of work to make sure you don't get burned.
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