Which one next?

[Electric George]

Have an injury that has stopped me from flying all this year. Hoping to be flying again next year and so, for fun and to keep the motivation going, and trying to be optimistic, thinking about my squadron and next build.
Beginner to stunt. Can fly wingover, three loops, three outsides, 6 laps inverted, horizontal eights, vertical eights (can be hit or miss...literally!). 
All are or will be Electric;
Flying Flite streak, have spare.
Sig Banshee ready to fly
Nobler ARF ready to fly, Have a spare in the box
Oriental ARF ready to fly
Plan to fly Flite streaks until crashed beyond repair, then move onto Banshee but wondering if I should try Banshee now as it may be easier for first attempts at flying squares which I think is my next step?

I have experience of building. Kits to build:
Brodak Cardinal profile - I have read this is a top flyer and so I may save until further down the road?
Brodak Accentor - have read it builds and flies fine
Topflite Gieseke Nobler - probably my favourite but should I wait until down the line?

So, question is: which models in which order for flying and which model to build next?






 
 

[fred cesquim]

Have an injury that has stopped me from flying all this year. Hoping to be flying again next year and so, for fun and to keep the motivation going, and trying to be optimistic, thinking about my squadron and next build.
Beginner to stunt. Can fly wingover, three loops, three outsides, 6 laps inverted, horizontal eights, vertical eights (can be hit or miss...literally!). 
All are or will be Electric;
Flying Flite streak, have spare.
Sig Banshee ready to fly
Nobler ARF ready to fly, Have a spare in the box
Oriental ARF ready to fly
Plan to fly Flite streaks until crashed beyond repair, then move onto Banshee but wondering if I should try Banshee now as it may be easier for first attempts at flying squares which I think is my next step?

I have experience of building. Kits to build:
Brodak Cardinal profile - I have read this is a top flyer and so I may save until further down the road?
Brodak Accentor - have read it builds and flies fine
Topflite Gieseke Nobler - probably my favourite but should I wait until down the line?

So, question is: which models in which order for flying and which model to build next?

looks like youŽve past the crash season, with the pattern you already know, you will just need time to perform the remaining stuff, and for that a bigger and capable plane is better than the usual heavy, small or outdated. i would vote for the gieseke nobler very ligh built to be a good e-performer. i am just a bit ahead of you in the pattern and never had a crash attempting the next step ( started to try the figures very big and open ). my training plane is the pathfinder LE (electric) i felt more secure with a big ship than a small one. more forgiving and less prone to stall.
have one gieseke kit here, but still struggling with the decision for a vintage glow or a modern e-power ( as a back up plane, iŽll probably go with the glow version)

[Ken Culbertson]

George:

I have experience with all of these except the Oriental.  You have passed the point in the pattern where you are likely to crash because you don't know what to do next.  Squares are easy, making them "perfect", not so much.  Do them high till you get the feel for "locking" then lower them.  For the next step you want a flapped plane that turns well in wind, say 8-10 mph.  Square corners are more difficult to master without flaps.  Even more important for the next step is a plane that stays out on the lines overhead and does not stall easily.  If you don't overcontrol some learning the rest of the pattern then you will probably be the first.  Over controlling leads to stalls and stalls lead to rebuilding sessions.  Of the planes you mentioned, the Gieseke Nobler should probably be the  one that you move to AFTER learning the rest of the pattern.  Simply learning, not even doing it good.  Avoid the Cardinal for this stage.  It is a great plane but a real SOB to get trimmed to handle well over 45.  Save it for profile later.

Two stand out to me for step 2.  The Banshee and the ARF Nobler.  You can go from never having flown to Advanced with either of them.  I would pick the Banshee first.  If you have one of the three ARF Noblers that is actually warp free it will outperform the Banshee slightly and makes a good second "step 2".

The Flight Streaks are primarily combat planes and as such will turn very tight, but they have to be flown rather fast to keep from stalling.  You don't want to learn to fly fast for the pattern.

Another thing to note.  NONE of these planes are modern PA capable, even the Gieseke Nobler although it is close.  At some point you will have to move to something larger and more powerful.  You will find the typical PA ship is more capable and surprisingly easier to fly than anything we are discussing here.

A word on the basics.  Whatever you choose make sure it is warp free, properly alligned and balanced.  Proper trim is probably more important at your stage than it is to a seasoned expert.

These are my picks and my 2 cents.  Others will probably disagree - Have Fun!

Ken 

[Electric George]

looks like youŽve past the crash season, with the pattern you already know, you will just need time to perform the remaining stuff, and for that a bigger and capable plane is better than the usual heavy, small or outdated. i would vote for the gieseke nobler very ligh built to be a good e-performer. i am just a bit ahead of you in the pattern and never had a crash attempting the next step ( started to try the figures very big and open ). my training plane is the pathfinder LE (electric) i felt more secure with a big ship than a small one. more forgiving and less prone to stall.
have one gieseke kit here, but still struggling with the decision for a vintage glow or a modern e-power ( as a back up plane, iŽll probably go with the glow version)

That's a very nice looking Pathfinder, Fred. Thanks for your reply. I have to say that second to a Gieseke Nobler is my desire for a jet looking type design that I remember seeing in the mags as a teenager.
Sounds like you have made great progress with the pattern. I have hit the ground around three times with the Streak; always when I have flown a manoeuvre a few times and then decide I want to get it bigger, rounder, etc
One vote for the Gieseke!

[Electric George]

George:

I have experience with all of these except the Oriental.  You have passed the point in the pattern where you are likely to crash because you don't know what to do next.  Squares are easy, making them "perfect", not so much.  Do them high till you get the feel for "locking" then lower them.  For the next step you want a flapped plane that turns well in wind, say 8-10 mph.  Square corners are more difficult to master without flaps.  Even more important for the next step is a plane that stays out on the lines overhead and does not stall easily.  If you don't overcontrol some learning the rest of the pattern then you will probably be the first.  Over controlling leads to stalls and stalls lead to rebuilding sessions.  Of the planes you mentioned, the Gieseke Nobler should probably be the  one that you move to AFTER learning the rest of the pattern.  Simply learning, not even doing it good.  Avoid the Cardinal for this stage.  It is a great plane but a real SOB to get trimmed to handle well over 45.  Save it for profile later.

Two stand out to me for step 2.  The Banshee and the ARF Nobler.  You can go from never having flown to Advanced with either of them.  I would pick the Banshee first.  If you have one of the three ARF Noblers that is actually warp free it will outperform the Banshee slightly and makes a good second "step 2".

The Flight Streaks are primarily combat planes and as such will turn very tight, but they have to be flown rather fast to keep from stalling.  You don't want to learn to fly fast for the pattern.

Another thing to note.  NONE of these planes are modern PA capable, even the Gieseke Nobler although it is close.  At some point you will have to move to something larger and more powerful.  You will find the typical PA ship is more capable and surprisingly easier to fly than anything we are discussing here.

A word on the basics.  Whatever you choose make sure it is warp free, properly alligned and balanced.  Proper trim is probably more important at your stage than it is to a seasoned expert.

These are my picks and my 2 cents.  Others will probably disagree - Have Fun!

Ken

Hi Ken,
Thanks for your reply; Interesting reading as always. I would love to fly a modern PA type model one day. Another vote for the Gieseke Nobler!
Your comments regarding moving on to the Banshee and then the Nobler ARF make good sense to me and I think this is the direction I will follow. 
Thanks again Ken and Fred. Just talking about flying, building and next steps give me extra determination to get back flying next year.

[Rick Campbell]

Since you still have some maneuvers to learn, I'd suggest building a couple flapped profiles. If you are comfortable with scratch building, profile versions of the Oriental or G-Nobler would be great flyers. You could use the kit ribs as templates. The Banshee is also a good choice, especially since you already have it!

Have fun!

-rc 🎵🎶🎵🎶

[Electric George]

Since you still have some maneuvers to learn, I'd suggest building a couple flapped profiles. If you are comfortable with scratch building, profile versions of the Oriental or G-Nobler would be great flyers. You could use the kit ribs as templates. The Banshee is also a good choice, especially since you already have it!

Have fun!

-rc 🎵🎶🎵🎶

Hi Rick,
Yes, that is an option to think about. Perhaps put together a quick Profile, flapped model like the Banshee as a reserve until I feel ready to move to the second step 2 ?
Thanks