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Offline Matt Brown

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #50 on: October 07, 2018, 11:01:22 AM »
The front mount is obviously superior but I cannot find any way to mount a Cobra 2820/12 that way.  If anybody has a way I am more than ready to try it.

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It will bolt up on a forward firewall just the same as where you screwed on the aluminum cross mount. You will have to use a collet style prop driver. That is exactly how both Bob’s and Mikey’s motors are mounted in the pictures they posted.


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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #51 on: October 07, 2018, 11:57:03 AM »
Ken, this picture should help clear up your questions about front mounting the Cobra 2820.   
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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #52 on: October 07, 2018, 03:03:15 PM »
It will bolt up on a forward firewall just the same as where you screwed on the aluminum cross mount. You will have to use a collet style prop driver. That is exactly how both Bob’s and Mikey’s motors are mounted in the pictures they posted.

Where do I go to get a Colet?  It doesn't come with the engine.  Too late for this one but going forward I will hang it by it's nose.

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #53 on: October 07, 2018, 03:17:45 PM »
The Cobra 2820 uses a 5mm shaft.  Look for prop adaptors for a 5mm collet.  They're available everywhere.  There are simple versions and nice integrated spinner versions.
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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #54 on: October 07, 2018, 04:49:22 PM »
I had two Fancherized Twisters (one with Rabe rudder) before I quit competing a few years ago. I now have a stock Banshee with a modified LA40 usuing a homemade tongue muffler.  I like the way the Banshee flies over the Twisters.  I found that the Banshee doesn't have a tendency to turn in on sharp downs like my Twisters did.

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #55 on: October 07, 2018, 06:02:46 PM »
Hi Ken,
Mount the motor with the green colored bell to the front and use the collet adapter that came with the motor (not the bolt on prop shaft).  I used that same motor for the 4 cell 2600 mah pack version and worked very well with 11 X 5.5 APC prop and the KR timer.

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #56 on: October 08, 2018, 04:48:52 PM »
Hi Ken,
Mount the motor with the green colored bell to the front and use the collet adapter that came with the motor (not the bolt on prop shaft).  I used that same motor for the 4 cell 2600 mah pack version and worked very well with 11 X 5.5 APC prop and the KR timer.

Later,
Mikey

Just opened the other engine "still shrinkwrapped" and there is no collet and the instructions/parts list don't mention it.  Looks like it is an add on.  Tower has a 5mm one that looks OK.  Any suggestions?

While I am at it, are spinners any different for electric?  Can you just make a CCW fit the CW prop?

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #57 on: October 08, 2018, 05:49:46 PM »
Tower has some electric spinners but they are cut for standard props. You can cut it out to fit though.


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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #58 on: October 09, 2018, 11:35:23 PM »
Tower has some electric spinners but they are cut for standard props. You can cut it out to fit though.


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Thanks to you guys I figured out the front mount, ordered the collet.  Luckily I had built a rather large engine box and the front mount is going to fit without any serious mods.

Ken

Follow Up:  CG too far back with the front mount.  Luckily the rear mount was still there.
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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #59 on: October 15, 2018, 06:05:18 PM »
The forum seems slow right now, or maybe I'm just bored. I have a twister kit and a banshee kit. I plan to (not exactly soon) build them both box stock with a few minor additions. Both will have adjustable lead out's, tip weight box and an adjustable rudder. Other than that, box stock. Power will be the same for both, same fuel tank, engine, prop and then same size lines. This will be more of a personal shoot out than anything anyone can trust. I usually build light enough and straight enough, so the flight reports can be based on some experience I suppose.

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #60 on: October 15, 2018, 07:13:04 PM »
The forum seems slow right now, or maybe I'm just bored. I have a twister kit and a banshee kit. I plan to (not exactly soon) build them both box stock with a few minor additions. Both will have adjustable lead out's, tip weight box and an adjustable rudder. Other than that, box stock. Power will be the same for both, same fuel tank, engine, prop and then same size lines. This will be more of a personal shoot out than anything anyone can trust. I usually build light enough and straight enough, so the flight reports can be based on some experience I suppose.

I suspect you'll find that they're both pretty good.
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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #61 on: October 15, 2018, 07:37:24 PM »
I suspect you'll find that they're both pretty good.

Having had both, in various states of airworthiness; I agree. But I've never been able to fly them back to back. But being the super stunter I am now (yeah i know how hilarious that is) it would be fun to compare. But also, then I'd have a classic legal, a super 70's legal,  and 2 profiles all in one neat package.

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #62 on: October 15, 2018, 09:57:16 PM »
Having had both, in various states of airworthiness; I agree. But I've never been able to fly them back to back. But being the super stunter I am now (yeah i know how hilarious that is) it would be fun to compare. But also, then I'd have a classic legal, a super 70's legal,  and 2 profiles all in one neat package.

If you REALLY want to try flying them back to back then build one for clockwise rotation and fly one in each hand!
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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #63 on: October 15, 2018, 10:00:24 PM »
If you REALLY want to try flying them back to back then build one for clockwise rotation and fly one in each hand!

Lol, I can only fly two together in the same direction. Stunts are limited for now. Stay tuned for a video of me flying both ringmasters......

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #64 on: October 15, 2018, 11:39:04 PM »
Lol, I can only fly two together in the same direction. Stunts are limited for now. Stay tuned for a video of me flying both ringmasters......
Don't try this unless you have multiple personality syndrome and one of them is left handed.

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #65 on: October 16, 2018, 06:38:36 AM »
Don't try this unless you have multiple personality syndrome and one of them is left handed.

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #66 on: October 16, 2018, 07:12:07 AM »
We already have
Which one are you rebuilding?  Personally, my left hand is barely useful to choke my engine.  Sometimes I can use it to remove the battery and hold the handle while I put on the safety lanyard.  I am impressed!

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #67 on: October 16, 2018, 07:29:43 AM »
Which one are you rebuilding?  Personally, my left hand is barely useful to choke my engine.  Sometimes I can use it to remove the battery and hold the handle while I put on the safety lanyard.  I am impressed!

Ken

Oh the ringmaster rebuild was the one my wife crashed. It's done, back to normal. She felt really bad, but like I say; I built it once, I can build it again. Fly and crash all you want!

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #68 on: October 16, 2018, 08:49:38 AM »
When do you find time?   By the way about people laughing at your pattern, wait until you see the judges laughing so hard they don't write our score down.  This for me in Old Time at Polk City contest one year. ;D
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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #69 on: October 16, 2018, 09:12:06 AM »
When do you find time?   By the way about people laughing at your pattern, wait until you see the judges laughing so hard they don't write our score down.  This for me in Old Time at Polk City contest one year. ;D

I don't. Haha. I go to work at 0600. So around 0400, I saunter out of bed into the kitchen / building area. Have some coffee, tinker with the planes while reading the funny pages. Then haul buns to work. Then come home and do whatever crazy scheme the kids have come up with.

Last contest in Tucson, it seems the joke was I fly too low. But also my triangles resemble more of a train wreck than a shape. All in all, it's great fun. My squares and square 8's seemed to improve and stay consistent all weekend. That was a bonus

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #70 on: October 16, 2018, 12:46:14 PM »
State of the Project:

40 oz all amped up and ready to spread it's wings.  Got some cosmetics to do if I am going to use it in profile like the cowling, wheel pants, pannel lines etc.

Aside from the rock hard ribs (used) and indoor grade balsa stab (replaced),  I do have one other thing that I am not too pleased with in the kit.  The fuselage balsa is wierd. It is not soft and it is pretty stiff except that it twists.  (Is that how the plane got it's name?) I have added a carbon tube to the bottom so it doesn't wiggle at all.  I see several designs where the center is hollowed out and replaced with cross hatched balsa webbing.  Does this help stop twisting?  It is MomoKoted so I can add that easily if it would help but it is too late for fiber weave.

All that I need now is for our resident electric expert to get back from a cruse y1 and this rain to stop   VD~)_& and I will log my first E-Flight!   #^

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #71 on: October 17, 2018, 06:36:15 AM »
Hi Ken,
It looks really good, make sure you send a flight report.

Mikey

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #72 on: October 17, 2018, 08:29:08 PM »
looking Good .  H^^

Bit late in the day for this , but . . .

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Let me tell you about the pink Banshee.
1)   54” span equal panels
2)   Half ribs to spar with vertical webbing between spars
3)   Adjustable Tip weight box and movable leadouts
4)   Flat wing tips
5)   8 1/4” nose
6)   ¼” stab and elevator tapered to tips 261/2” span
7)   Diamond shaped Fuselage with the top and bottom end 1/8” thick
8)   Barn door flaps 2 ½” to 1 ¾”
9)   Motor Fox 35 running on missile mist fuel no muffler
10)    Custom landing gear 1/8” music wire eighth banner racing wheels
11)    Custom Big jim Tank
12)    Leading edge radius (NOT TO BLUNT JIM DID NOT LIKE TO BLUNT LEADING EDGE.)
 NOTE : you had to hear that Fox run it sounded like a formula one motor with about 10 different gears.  In the Horizontal square eight this motor changed speed for every leg.
 Big Jim first flight on the Banshee.(BTW the other flyer was Big Jims close friend RAY MOORE.) Big Jim firers up the Fox and proceeds to fly a very impressive pattern that looks like Gene Schafer. I had never seen a profile fly like a full bogie stunt plane. The engine quits and proceeds to wind fly. Lazy eights, inside loops ,outside loops, inside square and one triangle. Milton and I had seen Bob and Gene wind fly but not like this.

Jose .

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Is the Banshee Ribs the same as the Twister  ? ? .

Cant find a Banshee Drawing / Plan anywhere on the interwako .

Would some kind individual , Dane . Trace a around rib on a piece of graph paper , or lay adjacent to a ruler & give thickness / DEPTH .

Maybe a pic. of a few other things or suchlike .
Would like something that fits in the Trunk ( BOOT , Here . ) without getting chewed up . as the Citys an overnighter , If I go flying there . :P
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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #73 on: October 18, 2018, 03:21:38 AM »
Matt,  here's a PDF of the Banshee plans for your enjoyment.  Also, a comparison of the Banshee and Twister airfoils.

If I were building a Banshee (and I'm not) and I planned on using a heavier, modern, muffled engine (LA46) with an APC style prop vs a unmuffled Fox 35 with a wood prop, I would surely opt for something similar to the recent Griffin version with the wing moved significantly forward.  Follow the lemonade recipe and build a larger tail assembly (~25% of the wing area) while you're at it.  https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/sig-banshee-12011/

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #74 on: October 18, 2018, 05:05:04 AM »
1/64 lite ply on fuse may reduce the Twist. But will add an ounce or so.

 My Twister was 38oz when first completed. After repair its now 40oz.

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #75 on: October 18, 2018, 07:45:14 PM »
Much appeciated Brent ,
Once we get the whiff of something , The R C M P is relentless in persuit .  H^^

The Twister section is V  much like the Oriental , IF you round the LE 7 Reduce the Chord 1 in , aft . As  per my Whirlwind .
Seeing the Banshee one kinda puts me off that .
So there you are ,
Ken Did Good , The Twister looks Much Better .
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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #76 on: October 18, 2018, 08:19:14 PM »
1/64 lite ply on fuse may reduce the Twist. But will add an ounce or so.

 My Twister was 38oz when first completed. After repair its now 40oz.

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Good idea but it is too late.  Only thing I could do would be to cut out a section, put in geodetic bracing and re-monokote the hole.  Probably not worth it for a practice plane that probably will never see competition. Should have carboned it.
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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #77 on: October 18, 2018, 08:20:57 PM »
Good idea but it is too late.  Only thing I could do would be to cut out a section, put in geodetic bracing and re-monokote the hole.  Probably not worth it for a practice plane that probably will never see competition. Should have carboned it.
You may be ok as is.

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #78 on: October 18, 2018, 10:13:04 PM »
Whadaya Mean . It IS Called a TWISTER .  S?P    LL~ LL~ LL~

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #79 on: October 21, 2018, 04:15:39 PM »
Whadaya Mean . It IS Called a TWISTER .  S?P    LL~ LL~ LL~
And here I thought that is what you did with a wing warp! You twist her and hit her with a heat gun.
1st successful e-flight today!  Different.

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Re: Twister vs Banshee
« Reply #80 on: October 21, 2018, 04:20:19 PM »
And here I thought that is what you did with a wing warp! You twist her and hit her with a heat gun.
1st successful e-flight today!  Different.

Ken

Give it time. I’ve grown to really like my electric Twister. It flies different than a glow plane but all the pros of electric outweighs the cons for me at least.

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