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[RC Storick]

Lets just see how this goes

[Chuck Matheny]

I don't date back very far with SH.
From what I've seen so far my guess is that less than 1% of the message traffic is political.
 
ZERO PERCENT of the threads  that happen to be political ....have a "built in feature" that forces people to click on them against their free will .

[Clint Ormosen]

I’m not sure how to answer the poll. Where’s the “less bullshit” option?
This isn’t where I come to talk politics or argue about FB or any other nonsense not related to models. However, I do know how to ignore such posts, and I do. I might read a few of them but I’m not going to engage. Sometimes it can frustrating just to see them, though. I always think to myself “why here?”
Come on people!

[RC Storick]

I always think to myself “why here?”

This is one of the few free-speech platforms that is not controlled.

[Bill Morell]

You are already exercising censorship with the locking or deletion of posts......

[RC Storick]

You are already exercising censorship with the locking or deletion of posts......

You can't have it both ways.

[John Carrodus]

Leave as is

You already moderate real bad stuff that simply shouldn't be seen here.
Or fix up dreadful errors.

Why bugger up a good thing?

If people in big trousers don't like stuff or disagree they can say so, be quiet, don't read it or walk away. They can do these things all by themselves because they are mature adults- hopefully.

[Steve Haynes]

Robert, I for one am very thankful to have found Stunthanger as the wealth of information and knowledge about Control Line Airplane building and flying has been tremendous for me.   Thank you to you and all of the others who have made Stunthanger what it has become.

  Stunthanger also made me aware of remarkable people like; Windy Urtnowski, Al Rabe, Randy Smith, and a treasure trove of articles & videos on building, finishing, engine tuning, and flying and a hell of a lot more.

  I would love for it to continue as the wonderful source of information that it has been for me and everyone participating.

  As for conversations on politics, I will simply say that when I cannot even discuss respectfully and with love this subject with some of my own family members without contentiousness and anger, then it's not worth it.  There's no Holy Spirit of love there at all.

  Todays politics seem to always divide people, while don't we all come here to come together in a sport that we passionately love to be a part of.

  And like Windy and others have done so well to spread the wealth and knowledge so that our sport of flying can grow? 

  There's a lot of talk about the sport dying, don't we want to make it grow again?

  So, for me, I do not want to be around politics which simply divide us all today.

  I do want to be around people who love Model airplanes of all disciplines' & kinds, to learn, to share and discover with others.

  I choose to be around our model airplane hobby 100%, and let others argue about politics in another place please.

  Respectfully,

  Steve Haynes

 
 

[Dick Carville]

Leave as is

[Dwayne Donnelly]

Nothing wrong with the site just maybe move the politics to the Extra Content?

[Don Collins]

This is the only source remaining for C/L flyer to exchange ideas, contacts & find materials used in the hobby.
As you know many of us are becoming older & can no longer fly C/L & I've assisted several friends move their "stuff" through S.H. to modelers that can enjoy it.
Do get discouraged there are far too many negative things going on in our world and your S.H. still allows a "kid" dream of flight.
Thank you for taking your time and resources to keep it going.
Don

[Chuck Matheny]

  So, for me, I do not want to be around politics which simply divide us all today.

  I do want to be around people who love Model airplanes of all disciplines' & kinds, to learn, to share and discover with others.

  I choose to be around our model airplane hobby 100%, and let others argue about politics in another place please.

  Respectfully,

  Steve Haynes

 

If you choose to avoid the thread topics that ARE CLEARLY POLITICAL...then  all of your hopes, dreams and desires shall be fullfilled.
Much less than one half of one percent of this forums message traffic is political...so unless YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO CLICK ON POLITICAL TOPICS.. nobody is left to blame for your woes but yourself.

[frank williams]

Carry On ... good work

[PerttiMe]

How do you vote in the Poll? By leaving a response? I don't see any boxes to tick.

Leave as is.

Occasionally, a thread gets heated. I can ignore those.

[GallopingGhostler]

How do you vote in the Poll? By leaving a response? I don't see any boxes to tick. Leave as is. Occasionally, a thread gets heated. I can ignore those.

Unfortunately you missed the window, it closed at 10:30 PM. 

[Fredvon4]

Leave as is

My vote if I seen it before time expired

[RC Storick]

There you have it. It's a small sampling but I am quite sure it reflects the majority of the users of the forum.

[Ken Culbertson]

"As Is"  Maybe a "Politics" forum that most will ignore.  I enjoy a good "back and forth" occasionally and would not like to see it go away and my mouse is well trained to stop when the insults start.  Keep it as is.

Ken

[Dennis Adamisin]

Leave as is

[Dennis Toth]

I agree with the comment Brent W posted on the prior thread about the site-curtail the political rhetoric. Also curtail any name calling or belittling. People can disagree about something being posted by simply stating with "I disagree with ...... here's way". No one knows everything. These are the things the turn people off.

We here all the political/social stuff all day on TV, social media sites like Twitter. FB, etc. When we come to this place we want to get away from all that crap. Let the politicians/new casters/ civil authorities convince use of the value or not of these issues. Our small number of people will not change things.

Curtail all political discussions, name calling and belittling, and this will be a better site.

Best,     DennisT

[Dennis Leonhardi]

Leave as is

You already moderate real bad stuff that simply shouldn't be seen here.
Or fix up dreadful errors.

Why bugger up a good thing?

If people in big trousers don't like stuff or disagree they can say so, be quiet, don't read it or walk away. They can do these things all by themselves because they are mature adults- hopefully.

    Yup - AS IS.

[944_Jim]

I get I'm a minority here...never been to a meet or contest, never sought or maintained AMA membership...typically fly stooge-launched solo flight...but I have returned to the hobby of my youth with a pocket full of uncommitted income I can spend however I choose. I'm not fully retired, but I think I'll be out of the workforce within the next several years.

I'm also mature enough to know how to stay out of an argument (usually), and inquisitive enough that I find value in coming here to absorb knowledge from other members...you guys. Hopefully I contribute to conversations every now and then. I do know I've contributed to financing this endeavour (maybe not as much as some you, but) with consistency over the last few years (remember the uncommitted income). I don't want Stunt Hangar to fail as SSW did.

I voted "leave alone" because I didn't see a choice like I'm about to describe.

In short, I think a forum dedicated to controversial subjects can be maintained (think obvious rules: no porn, no threats), just so the ones that choose to digitally battle out their differences can do so without splattering bad blood all over the site. Make it so those members MUST ask to be "admitted" first before entering and promising to adhere to keeping this traffic contained. That way if you want to pick a fight, or jump into the fracas, well, you asked for it.

Call this new forum the "Wild, Wild West," and leave the disagreements to the contestants combatants alone. Now if I get curious and wander into the Wild Wild West, well then, that is on me...especially if I asked for it. And make it easy enough to back out of. If this new forum were unmoderated, at least the bloodbath ensues In a contained environment.
And since I'm dreaming, make this Wild Wild West membership a one way in/one time out, with no re-admittance. This way no one drops a bomb and runs...and then comes back to his "scorched earth."
Make it so breaking the basic rules of etiquette in this "loosely moderated forum" makes one subject to ejection from the site. Example: A BIG infraction would be to carry the conversation out of the Wild, Wild, West and to the rest of SH. A REALLY BIG one would be to request out from the Wild Wild West, and then carry the mess out to the rest of SH.

I have often wondered about the guys on opposite sides of polarizing conversation. If you are one of them, would you entertain some of this kind of back and forth at sanctioned events and club-based flying? Or maybe in front of a new generation looking for a special place?
Or could you agree to disagree in a gentlemanly fashion? It's not the points (potentially) being made, but rather the barbs being thrown. I can consider rational points, and may even be drawn to "the other side," until the conversation becomes toxic.

Otherwise, I'll do as I have been...look and learn OR look and back out.

[pat king]

i think the moderater's entrance to threads is at the proper level. Disagreement is healthy as long as it remains civil and does not get personal.

now someone can rip on me for a while if it makes you feel better.
Pat

[phil c]

You can't have it both ways.

Definitely True. Maybe, if you can, segregate politics into a corner that only allows, say, 3 topics.  If somebody wants to they can start another string which will automatically close the oldest string.

I kind of self-sensor when I find a topic that is starting to get mixed up.

Thanks for you WORK.

Phil Cartier

[Brett Buck]

i think the moderater's entrance to threads is at the proper level. Disagreement is healthy as long as it remains civil and does not get personal.

now someone can rip on me for a while if it makes you feel better.
Pat

    Unfortunately, over-moderation has the effect of allowing the most aggressive to get their shots in, and no one to counter it because the thread gets locked. This is a classic tactic of the MSM and other venues - the left gets in their cheap shots, and then try to get the thread closed or the opposing posts posters blocked. Snarky sniping is what passes for great oratory to the left, and while some of us might be able to match it, it is an offensive tactic and lowers the dignity of any debate. And for sure, when they find themselves overmatched or losing (which is, ultimately, inevitable, since they are always wrong and frequently unable to compete) they run off to Sparky begging for the thread to be locked.   

   Essentially, sniping rewards the one who starts it, and locking the threads prevents any counter.

   To date, the existing moderation has been pretty good most of the time, with Sparky or other mods allowing a reasonable reaction to this cheesy sniping before closing it. Only a very few original posts are overtly political (i.e. in terms of national politics, not internal arguments like the Windy/Brodak fiasco) , maybe 10 or so since 2006 that I can recall. I would guess 90% of these were pretty obvious trolls and generally ignored. Only a few times I found conservative posts objectionable  - but they were pretty obvious and easily avoided.

      If everyone were to agree to keep the political sniping out of other posts, I think it would be a lot better for everyone. There are only a few people that are repeat offenders as far as *starting* these things, a simple solution would be to simply suspend or ban a few individuals who go out of their way to derail posts with sniping, almost exclusively from the "left". Right now, I can think of maybe 3-4 people who I think have proven themselves to be contributing only snarky nonsense while adding nothing in the way of model airplane content. That's a pretty small number compared to the 5-6000 users, and 100 or so regular posters. And I am sure I would be on several people's list for the same.

    I have been the moderator of several boards, it is the classic thankless task, you cannot please everyone and someone will *always*, repeat, *always* be mad at the moderator for being "unfair". I am actually in a minor bit trouble on another board for *pointing out the one-sided moderation* as described above (leftist snipe but hammer of hades applied to any counter-arguments) by the extreme leftist moderator. I just stopped posting, life is too short and the content not worth the hassle. That's a good way to deal with it, I think.

   Ultimately, it is up to Bob. I have given my opinion on several topic off-line, he agreed with some and not with others. That's fine, it's no my board and I am not a moderator. Users here have access to utterly unique breadth and depth of content, and access to national and world champions at minutes/hours notice. I could have only dreamed of this sort of treasure trove of information when I was learning. I think that is worth putting up with a minor amount of off-topic posts that you are free to just ignore if you don't like them.

    Brett

[Steve Dwyer]

I'm going to agree with Brett and most of the others don't change anything. I think most people enjoy (need) having a venue where they can express their views and opinions amongst their peers, and many here don't go anywhere else. 

I would add one request or condition (of course Bob's in charge) though that he sets up a topic area for "controversial subjects" separating these from other topics area including the open discussion zone.

Steve

[fred cesquim]

create a "war zone" forum  and let people post and fight there, aside from modelling
those who love this hobby and SH keep posting about modelling, and those not spending workbench time can fight freely
from my side, i keep posting and reading about modelling stuff and passing through other subjects unrelated. we have so short time to spend on debates that i rather be sanding balsa then reading things i can´t relate to...

[Dennis Moritz]

What’s the point of continuing this political discourse.
No fact check. No agreement on what a fact is. Little appreciation for our Democratic institutions.

[Brett Buck]

What’s the point of continuing this political discourse.
No fact check. No agreement on what a fact is. Little appreciation for our Democratic institutions.

  Thanks for a hallmark exemplar of what I was talking about - snarky, pointless, cheap shot. 

  If you are merely trying to cement your position on my suggested banned/suspended posters list, please do not be concerned, you are a shoe-in

     Brett

[JamieHolford]

*facepalm*
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[JamieHolford]

The censorship is real over here.  Pretty sad. Pathetic really.

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[JamieHolford]

This is the only source remaining for C/L flyer to exchange ideas, contacts & find materials used in the hobby.
As you know many of us are becoming older & can no longer fly C/L & I've assisted several friends move their "stuff" through S.H. to modelers that can enjoy it.
Do get discouraged there are far too many negative things going on in our world and your S.H. still allows a "kid" dream of flight.
Thank you for taking your time and resources to keep it going.
Don

Again Ill reply the same response and hopefully wont be CENSORED since you know. Free speech is practiced here allegedly.


Don Id bet my 401k that this IS NOT the remaining source left for a CL flyer.

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[RC Storick]

Free speech is practiced here allegedly.

It is unless you're a smart

[Chuck Matheny]

The censorship is real over here.  Pretty sad. Pathetic really.

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It's even worse at FB..they'll either make your posts invisible to the "Snowflakes and the Child Persons"......or else kick you off..!!

[JamieHolford]

It's even worse at FB..they'll either make your posts invisible to the "Snowflakes and the Child Persons"......or else kick you off..!!

Well its easy.  It has rules. Even this place has rules.

The more you mess around.  The more you're going to find out.  Its that simple.

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[RC Storick]

Well its easy.  It has rules. Even this place has rules.

The more you mess around.  The more you're going to find out.  Its that simple.

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Why aren't you there now we have not seen you in years. You just came back to troll.

Last post tyo be exact was « on: June 06, 2011, 06:27:16 AM »

[JamieHolford]

Why aren't you there now we have not seen you in months. You just came back to troll

I am there. All the time. Im a mod there like you are here.

Ive been in and out the hobby.

I assure you this isnt trolling sparky. 

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[RC Storick]

I am there. All the time. Im a mod there like you are here.

Ive been in and out the hobby.

I assure you this isnt trolling sparky. 

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there is the difference I am not a MOD like you with nothing to lose. Someone else owns that site

[RC Storick]

I'm not mad  just tired of trolls. wow 5000 ringmaster flyers. Give it a break or you will be taking one


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[John Lindberg]

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[Chuck Matheny]

Well its easy.  It has rules. Even this place has rules.

The more you mess around.  The more you're going to find out.  Its that simple.

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It's great fun to watch the hypocrites forced to eat their own cooking when they venture away from their FB SAFE SPACES.

[JamieHolford]

It's great fun to watch the hypocrites forced to eat their own cooking when they venture away from their FB SAFE SPACES.

Whose the hypocrite??

Me or the one who deletes my comments.... censorshippp


Dont be a complete schmuck Chuck... save some for when you get to heaven.

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[Chuck Matheny]

Why aren't you there now we have not seen you in years. You just came back to troll.

Last post tyo be exact was « on: June 06, 2011, 06:27:16 AM »

He just came back after a 12 year absence to stuff the ballot box.
Textbook trolling.
That's trolling on steroids....

[JamieHolford]

He just came back after a 12 year absence to stuff the ballot box.
Textbook trolling.
That's trolling on steroids....

Sha you're cute.  All the boys must love you.

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[Chuck Matheny]

Whose the hypocrite??

Me or the one who deletes my comments.... censorshippp


Dont be a complete schmuck Chuck... save some for when you get to heaven.

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You just claimed  that FB Censorship is OK but censorship here is "PATHETIC".

[Chuck Matheny]

Sha you're cute.  All the boys must love you.

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Didn't take Jamie long to empty his tool box.

[Chuck Matheny]

[quote author=JamieHolford link=topic=63449.msg655310#msg655310 date=1680619767

Every ither post it seems to have some sort of political talk.

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[/quote]

Prove what you wrote here is true.
People who respect the truth don't make claims they can't back up. 

[Chuck Matheny]

Guess you cant read too well.

Slack off the metamucil

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Every ither post it seems to have some sort of political talk. [/b]

Prove what you wrote here is true.
People who respect the truth don't make claims they can't back up.

[Chuck Matheny]

Stop being a Liberal.  Doesnt look good on ya. 

Hows the weather in Washington?

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You can't back your silly claim..so the next best thing is to continue with the trolling.

[JamieHolford]

You can't back your silly claim..so the next best thing is to continue with the trolling.

Again it appears you cant read well.....


Imagine being mad at the government all the time.  Silly.

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