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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: RC Storick on March 30, 2023, 11:12:16 AM
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Lets just see how this goes
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I don't date back very far with SH.
From what I've seen so far my guess is that less than 1% of the message traffic is political.
ZERO PERCENT of the threads that happen to be political ....have a "built in feature" that forces people to click on them against their free will .
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I’m not sure how to answer the poll. Where’s the “less bullshit” option?
This isn’t where I come to talk politics or argue about FB or any other nonsense not related to models. However, I do know how to ignore such posts, and I do. I might read a few of them but I’m not going to engage. Sometimes it can frustrating just to see them, though. I always think to myself “why here?”
Come on people!
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I always think to myself “why here?”
This is one of the few free-speech platforms that is not controlled.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOAtz8xWM0w&t=21s
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You are already exercising censorship with the locking or deletion of posts......
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You are already exercising censorship with the locking or deletion of posts......
You can't have it both ways.
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Leave as is
You already moderate real bad stuff that simply shouldn't be seen here.
Or fix up dreadful errors.
Why bugger up a good thing?
If people in big trousers don't like stuff or disagree they can say so, be quiet, don't read it or walk away. They can do these things all by themselves because they are mature adults- hopefully.
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Robert, I for one am very thankful to have found Stunthanger as the wealth of information and knowledge about Control Line Airplane building and flying has been tremendous for me. Thank you to you and all of the others who have made Stunthanger what it has become.
Stunthanger also made me aware of remarkable people like; Windy Urtnowski, Al Rabe, Randy Smith, and a treasure trove of articles & videos on building, finishing, engine tuning, and flying and a hell of a lot more.
I would love for it to continue as the wonderful source of information that it has been for me and everyone participating.
As for conversations on politics, I will simply say that when I cannot even discuss respectfully and with love this subject with some of my own family members without contentiousness and anger, then it's not worth it. There's no Holy Spirit of love there at all.
Todays politics seem to always divide people, while don't we all come here to come together in a sport that we passionately love to be a part of.
And like Windy and others have done so well to spread the wealth and knowledge so that our sport of flying can grow?
There's a lot of talk about the sport dying, don't we want to make it grow again?
So, for me, I do not want to be around politics which simply divide us all today.
I do want to be around people who love Model airplanes of all disciplines' & kinds, to learn, to share and discover with others.
I choose to be around our model airplane hobby 100%, and let others argue about politics in another place please.
Respectfully,
Steve Haynes
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Leave as is
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Nothing wrong with the site just maybe move the politics to the Extra Content?
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This is the only source remaining for C/L flyer to exchange ideas, contacts & find materials used in the hobby.
As you know many of us are becoming older & can no longer fly C/L & I've assisted several friends move their "stuff" through S.H. to modelers that can enjoy it.
Do get discouraged there are far too many negative things going on in our world and your S.H. still allows a "kid" dream of flight.
Thank you for taking your time and resources to keep it going.
Don
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So, for me, I do not want to be around politics which simply divide us all today.
I do want to be around people who love Model airplanes of all disciplines' & kinds, to learn, to share and discover with others.
I choose to be around our model airplane hobby 100%, and let others argue about politics in another place please.
Respectfully,
Steve Haynes
If you choose to avoid the thread topics that ARE CLEARLY POLITICAL...then all of your hopes, dreams and desires shall be fullfilled.
Much less than one half of one percent of this forums message traffic is political...so unless YOU GO OUT OF YOUR WAY TO CLICK ON POLITICAL TOPICS.. nobody is left to blame for your woes but yourself.
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Carry On ... good work
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How do you vote in the Poll? By leaving a response? I don't see any boxes to tick.
Leave as is.
Occasionally, a thread gets heated. I can ignore those.
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How do you vote in the Poll? By leaving a response? I don't see any boxes to tick. Leave as is. Occasionally, a thread gets heated. I can ignore those.
Unfortunately you missed the window, ??? it closed at 10:30 PM. D>K
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Leave as is
My vote if I seen it before time expired
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There you have it. It's a small sampling but I am quite sure it reflects the majority of the users of the forum.
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"As Is" Maybe a "Politics" forum that most will ignore. I enjoy a good "back and forth" occasionally and would not like to see it go away and my mouse is well trained to stop when the insults start. Keep it as is.
Ken
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Leave as is
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I agree with the comment Brent W posted on the prior thread about the site-curtail the political rhetoric. Also curtail any name calling or belittling. People can disagree about something being posted by simply stating with "I disagree with ...... here's way". No one knows everything. These are the things the turn people off.
We here all the political/social stuff all day on TV, social media sites like Twitter. FB, etc. When we come to this place we want to get away from all that crap. Let the politicians/new casters/ civil authorities convince use of the value or not of these issues. Our small number of people will not change things.
Curtail all political discussions, name calling and belittling, and this will be a better site.
Best, DennisT
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Leave as is
You already moderate real bad stuff that simply shouldn't be seen here.
Or fix up dreadful errors.
Why bugger up a good thing?
If people in big trousers don't like stuff or disagree they can say so, be quiet, don't read it or walk away. They can do these things all by themselves because they are mature adults- hopefully.
LL~ LL~ LL~ Yup - AS IS.
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I get I'm a minority here...never been to a meet or contest, never sought or maintained AMA membership...typically fly stooge-launched solo flight...but I have returned to the hobby of my youth with a pocket full of uncommitted income I can spend however I choose. I'm not fully retired, but I think I'll be out of the workforce within the next several years.
I'm also mature enough to know how to stay out of an argument (usually), and inquisitive enough that I find value in coming here to absorb knowledge from other members...you guys. Hopefully I contribute to conversations every now and then. I do know I've contributed to financing this endeavour (maybe not as much as some you, but) with consistency over the last few years (remember the uncommitted income). I don't want Stunt Hangar to fail as SSW did.
I voted "leave alone" because I didn't see a choice like I'm about to describe.
In short, I think a forum dedicated to controversial subjects can be maintained (think obvious rules: no porn, no threats), just so the ones that choose to digitally battle out their differences can do so without splattering bad blood all over the site. Make it so those members MUST ask to be "admitted" first before entering and promising to adhere to keeping this traffic contained. That way if you want to pick a fight, or jump into the fracas, well, you asked for it.
Call this new forum the "Wild, Wild West," and leave the disagreements to the contestants combatants alone. Now if I get curious and wander into the Wild Wild West, well then, that is on me...especially if I asked for it. And make it easy enough to back out of. If this new forum were unmoderated, at least the bloodbath ensues In a contained environment.
And since I'm dreaming, make this Wild Wild West membership a one way in/one time out, with no re-admittance. This way no one drops a bomb and runs...and then comes back to his "scorched earth."
Make it so breaking the basic rules of etiquette in this "loosely moderated forum" makes one subject to ejection from the site. Example: A BIG infraction would be to carry the conversation out of the Wild, Wild, West and to the rest of SH. A REALLY BIG one would be to request out from the Wild Wild West, and then carry the mess out to the rest of SH.
I have often wondered about the guys on opposite sides of polarizing conversation. If you are one of them, would you entertain some of this kind of back and forth at sanctioned events and club-based flying? Or maybe in front of a new generation looking for a special place?
Or could you agree to disagree in a gentlemanly fashion? It's not the points (potentially) being made, but rather the barbs being thrown. I can consider rational points, and may even be drawn to "the other side," until the conversation becomes toxic.
Otherwise, I'll do as I have been...look and learn OR look and back out.
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i think the moderater's entrance to threads is at the proper level. Disagreement is healthy as long as it remains civil and does not get personal.
now someone can rip on me for a while if it makes you feel better.
Pat
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You can't have it both ways.
Definitely True. Maybe, if you can, segregate politics into a corner that only allows, say, 3 topics. If somebody wants to they can start another string which will automatically close the oldest string.
I kind of self-sensor when I find a topic that is starting to get mixed up.
Thanks for you WORK.
Phil Cartier
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i think the moderater's entrance to threads is at the proper level. Disagreement is healthy as long as it remains civil and does not get personal.
now someone can rip on me for a while if it makes you feel better.
Pat
Unfortunately, over-moderation has the effect of allowing the most aggressive to get their shots in, and no one to counter it because the thread gets locked. This is a classic tactic of the MSM and other venues - the left gets in their cheap shots, and then try to get the thread closed or the opposing posts posters blocked. Snarky sniping is what passes for great oratory to the left, and while some of us might be able to match it, it is an offensive tactic and lowers the dignity of any debate. And for sure, when they find themselves overmatched or losing (which is, ultimately, inevitable, since they are always wrong and frequently unable to compete) they run off to Sparky begging for the thread to be locked.
Essentially, sniping rewards the one who starts it, and locking the threads prevents any counter.
To date, the existing moderation has been pretty good most of the time, with Sparky or other mods allowing a reasonable reaction to this cheesy sniping before closing it. Only a very few original posts are overtly political (i.e. in terms of national politics, not internal arguments like the Windy/Brodak fiasco) , maybe 10 or so since 2006 that I can recall. I would guess 90% of these were pretty obvious trolls and generally ignored. Only a few times I found conservative posts objectionable - but they were pretty obvious and easily avoided.
If everyone were to agree to keep the political sniping out of other posts, I think it would be a lot better for everyone. There are only a few people that are repeat offenders as far as *starting* these things, a simple solution would be to simply suspend or ban a few individuals who go out of their way to derail posts with sniping, almost exclusively from the "left". Right now, I can think of maybe 3-4 people who I think have proven themselves to be contributing only snarky nonsense while adding nothing in the way of model airplane content. That's a pretty small number compared to the 5-6000 users, and 100 or so regular posters. And I am sure I would be on several people's list for the same.
I have been the moderator of several boards, it is the classic thankless task, you cannot please everyone and someone will *always*, repeat, *always* be mad at the moderator for being "unfair". I am actually in a minor bit trouble on another board for *pointing out the one-sided moderation* as described above (leftist snipe but hammer of hades applied to any counter-arguments) by the extreme leftist moderator. I just stopped posting, life is too short and the content not worth the hassle. That's a good way to deal with it, I think.
Ultimately, it is up to Bob. I have given my opinion on several topic off-line, he agreed with some and not with others. That's fine, it's no my board and I am not a moderator. Users here have access to utterly unique breadth and depth of content, and access to national and world champions at minutes/hours notice. I could have only dreamed of this sort of treasure trove of information when I was learning. I think that is worth putting up with a minor amount of off-topic posts that you are free to just ignore if you don't like them.
Brett
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I'm going to agree with Brett and most of the others don't change anything. I think most people enjoy (need) having a venue where they can express their views and opinions amongst their peers, and many here don't go anywhere else.
I would add one request or condition (of course Bob's in charge) though that he sets up a topic area for "controversial subjects" separating these from other topics area including the open discussion zone.
Steve
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create a "war zone" forum mw~ and let people post and fight there, aside from modelling
those who love this hobby and SH keep posting about modelling, and those not spending workbench time can fight freely
from my side, i keep posting and reading about modelling stuff and passing through other subjects unrelated. we have so short time to spend on debates that i rather be sanding balsa then reading things i can´t relate to...
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What’s the point of continuing this political discourse.
No fact check. No agreement on what a fact is. Little appreciation for our Democratic institutions.
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What’s the point of continuing this political discourse.
No fact check. No agreement on what a fact is. Little appreciation for our Democratic institutions.
Thanks for a hallmark exemplar of what I was talking about - snarky, pointless, cheap shot.
If you are merely trying to cement your position on my suggested banned/suspended posters list, please do not be concerned, you are a shoe-in
Brett
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*facepalm*
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The censorship is real over here. Pretty sad. Pathetic really.
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This is the only source remaining for C/L flyer to exchange ideas, contacts & find materials used in the hobby.
As you know many of us are becoming older & can no longer fly C/L & I've assisted several friends move their "stuff" through S.H. to modelers that can enjoy it.
Do get discouraged there are far too many negative things going on in our world and your S.H. still allows a "kid" dream of flight.
Thank you for taking your time and resources to keep it going.
Don
Again Ill reply the same response and hopefully wont be CENSORED since you know. Free speech is practiced here allegedly.
Don Id bet my 401k that this IS NOT the remaining source left for a CL flyer.
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Free speech is practiced here allegedly.
It is unless you're a smart B@B
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The censorship is real over here. Pretty sad. Pathetic really.
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It's even worse at FB..they'll either make your posts invisible to the "Snowflakes and the Child Persons"......or else kick you off..!!
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It's even worse at FB..they'll either make your posts invisible to the "Snowflakes and the Child Persons"......or else kick you off..!!
Well its easy. It has rules. Even this place has rules.
The more you mess around. The more you're going to find out. Its that simple.
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Well its easy. It has rules. Even this place has rules.
The more you mess around. The more you're going to find out. Its that simple.
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Why aren't you there now we have not seen you in years. You just came back to troll.
Last post tyo be exact was « on: June 06, 2011, 06:27:16 AM »
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Why aren't you there now we have not seen you in months. You just came back to troll
I am there. All the time. Im a mod there like you are here.
Ive been in and out the hobby.
I assure you this isnt trolling sparky.
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I am there. All the time. Im a mod there like you are here.
Ive been in and out the hobby.
I assure you this isnt trolling sparky.
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there is the difference I am not a MOD like you with nothing to lose. Someone else owns that site
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I'm not mad just tired of trolls. wow 5000 ringmaster flyers. Give it a break or you will be taking one
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Stunt Hangar is a excellent website, in my opinion!
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Well its easy. It has rules. Even this place has rules.
The more you mess around. The more you're going to find out. Its that simple.
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It's great fun to watch the hypocrites forced to eat their own cooking when they venture away from their FB SAFE SPACES.
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It's great fun to watch the hypocrites forced to eat their own cooking when they venture away from their FB SAFE SPACES.
Whose the hypocrite??
Me or the one who deletes my comments.... censorshippp
Dont be a complete schmuck Chuck... save some for when you get to heaven.
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Why aren't you there now we have not seen you in years. You just came back to troll.
Last post tyo be exact was « on: June 06, 2011, 06:27:16 AM »
He just came back after a 12 year absence to stuff the ballot box.
Textbook trolling.
That's trolling on steroids.... LL~
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He just came back after a 12 year absence to stuff the ballot box.
Textbook trolling.
That's trolling on steroids.... LL~
Sha you're cute. All the boys must love you.
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Whose the hypocrite??
Me or the one who deletes my comments.... censorshippp
Dont be a complete schmuck Chuck... save some for when you get to heaven.
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You just claimed that FB Censorship is OK but censorship here is "PATHETIC".
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Sha you're cute. All the boys must love you.
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Didn't take Jamie long to empty his tool box.
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[quote author=JamieHolford link=topic=63449.msg655310#msg655310 date=1680619767
Every ither post it seems to have some sort of political talk.
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Prove what you wrote here is true.
People who respect the truth don't make claims they can't back up.
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Guess you cant read too well.
Slack off the metamucil
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Every ither post it seems to have some sort of political talk. [/b]
Prove what you wrote here is true.
People who respect the truth don't make claims they can't back up.
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Stop being a Liberal. Doesnt look good on ya.
Hows the weather in Washington?
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You can't back your silly claim..so the next best thing is to continue with the trolling. ::)
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You can't back your silly claim..so the next best thing is to continue with the trolling. ::)
Again it appears you cant read well.....
Imagine being mad at the government all the time. Silly.
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Again it appears you cant read well.....
Imagine being mad at the government all the time. Silly.
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Too bad you weren't around to say that to our Founding Fathers.......... LL~
Still waiting for you to back up your wild claim.
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Too bad you weren't around to say that to our Founding Fathers.......... LL~
Have you always been this retarded or did it happen when ya kid turned to moondust.
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Have you always been this retarded or did it happen when ya kid turned to moondust.
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This is the best you can do...?
Make fun of my son who was killed in Iraq...?
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This is the best you can do...?
Make fun of my son who was killed in Iraq...?
He's now on vacation
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He's now on vacation
Watch..he'll scream to all his friends about how unfairly treated he was..... LL~
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Watch..he'll scream to all his friends about how unfairly treated he was..... LL~
I don't care I am tired of BS
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Too bad you weren't around to say that to our Founding Fathers.......... LL~ Still waiting for you to back up your wild claim.
Have you always been this retarded or did it happen when ya kid turned to moondust.
This is the best you can do...? Make fun of my son who was killed in Iraq...?
My condolences, Chuck, sorry to hear that about your son. There is no place of reason for anyone to post such cruel, abusive vitriol on any forum for any reason, toward any poster.
It shows a lack of genuine concern for others, for their well being. It demonstrates a very self centered attitude and a desire to escallate conflict rather than resolve it.
If a person behaves this way on-line, it is not hard to imagine how they behave in person. Sportsmanship carries into other areas of life.
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Have you always been this retarded or did it happen when ya kid turned to moondust.This is the best you can do...? Make fun of my son who was killed in Iraq...?
My condolences, Chuck, sorry to hear that about your son. There is no place of reason for anyone to post such cruel, abusive vitriol on any forum for any reason, toward any poster.
It shows a lack of genuine concern for others, for their well being. It demonstrates a very self centered attitude and a desire to escallate conflict rather than resolve it.
If a person behaves this way on-line, it is not hard to imagine how they behave in person. Sportsmanship carries into other areas of life.
Thanks GG
Is what we saw out of him what posting on meth looks like...? LL~
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Thanks GG Is what we saw out of him what posting on meth looks like...? LL~
We shouldn't be fanning the fires for further conflict with name calling.
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Alright people if you want to keep this forum as it is how about a small donation to Sparky. S?P D>K
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We shouldn't be fanning the fires for further conflict with name calling.
I have an enormous amount of respect for what RC Storick has built here.
OTOH...I don't expect to see any Libs at this forum denounce what that cowardly POS said about my son.
In fact I expect to see them make excuses.
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Sparky leave it alone, they can go somewhere else who don’t like it.
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I have an enormous amount of respect for what RC Storick has built here. OTOH...I don't expect to see any Libs at this forum denounce what that cowardly POS said about my son. In fact I expect to see them make excuses.
Chuck, I understand. This is why I spoke up about his statement. But regarding trolls, I have learned it is best to take the higher ground. You certainly have a much better testimony than them. A man's reputation allows such attacks to roll off like water on a duck's back. They do it for a purpose, to seed search engines, and will look for and complain about even non-existent misdemeanors.
Sparky and his team of moderators have the power to delete such posts, and issue warnings as well. Let them complain and be dealt with their just desserts.
I have learned this through experience.
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I hope Sparky does not delete his post.
His posts ..beginning with his gay innuendo, then to his geriatric BS..then to his "retard attacks" and finally to where he is so desperate to wriggle off the hook that he jokes about how my son was killed in Iraq .....every one of those posts should be put on full display for all decent folks to read and then ask themselves "HOW FAR HAVE WE FALLEN"...?
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Sparky, I suggest that people who express discontent with stunt hangar get the boot. These people will never be happy, so save us the grief and ban them.
Thanks
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It ain't broke, don't fix it.
There's definitely some people here that need to get a life, and if they can't figure out how to "turn the channel" it's their problem, not yours.
Here's a suggestion for your 2024 forum badge...
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He's now on vacation
Thank you Sparky, proper move. His "moondust" comment was as disrespectful as it gets. If he was within reach I'd literally punch him in the face for that one, what a total POS. I figure he's the one that went through high school constantly getting his underwear pulled over his head. D>K
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Sparky, I suggest that people who express discontent with stunt hangar get the boot. These people will never be happy, so save us the grief and ban them.
Thanks
There is a huge difference between disagreement and being disgustingly rude. We should never ban the former, but the latter has it's "red line"
Nobody is totally useless, you can always serve as a bad example.
Ken
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There is a huge difference between disagreement and being disgustingly rude. We should never ban the former, but the latter has it's "red line"
Nobody is totally useless, you can always serve as a bad example.
Ken
Mr. Ken, whether you are disgustingly rude or disagree about how Sparky runs his forum I hope he puts you on vacation. Put another way is if you don't like it here go to facebook or wherever. Go swing your bull roarer there or get banned here.
ALL TROLLS SHOULD BE BANNED.
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Thank you Sparky, proper move. His "moondust" comment was as disrespectful as it gets.
It is far and away the most egregiously over-the-top cheap shot I have ever seen on a message board. Vile.
Brett
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Mr. Ken, whether you are disgustingly rude or disagree about how Sparky runs his forum I hope he puts you on vacation. Put another way is if you don't like it here go to facebook or wherever. Go swing your bull roarer there or get banned here.
ALL TROLLS SHOULD BE BANNED.
I think you are making my point.
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?I think you are making my point.
Ken..... The way it was worded...it sounded like he was chewing you out....but I think he's solidly on our side. H^^
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Ken.....I think he's on your side..? H^^
It is hard to tell, I think you are right but his posts tend to appear to be personal when they probably are not.
Ken
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Ken..... The way it was worded...it sounded like he was chewing you out....but I think he's solidly on our side. H^^
I am on Sparky's side. He's the Trump of control line. These lunatic trolls who keep causing him trouble need to be banned and that includes the two face ones who come here and started another forum to compete. I'm hoping Sparky will become the Terminator. Is that clear? Are we clear? You want Sparky on that wall. You need Sparky on that wall to keep all the trolls and SHINOs (Stunt Hanger in name only) from destroying the forum.
Now carry on.
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I am on Sparky's side. He's the Trump of control line. These lunatic trolls who keep causing him trouble need to be banned and that includes the two face ones who come here and started another forum to compete. I'm hoping Sparky will become the Terminator. Is that clear? Are we clear? You want Sparky on that wall. You need Sparky on that wall to keep all the trolls and SHINOs (Stunt Hanger in name only) from destroying the forum.
Now carry on.
Are you calling for a "Code Red"? LL~
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I didn't bother with the facebook thing mainly because I didn't have that much time for it. Sean set me up with an account years ago and it just sat dormant. Since I retired, Sean helped me wake it up since I wanted to try and make contact with some old friends and it is an easy way to stay in contact with family and friends. Since I have been active on it I have found several groups I have joined covering all of my model airplane interests, vintage dirt bike interests, and some full scale groups regarding Reno Racing and aviation history. After experiencing it for two years now, I have seen NOTHING that compares to the knowledge and information that is archived here on Stunthanger or what was lost when Stuka Stunt went away. I REALLY fail to see why anyone would ditch this site for any facebook group. The political discourse that happens now and then really isn't that bad, and it usually is restricted to one thread because that's where the action is, and you can take it or leave it as you should CHOOSE, but if you observe, things quiet down after a while and everyone has had their say. We do have our characters here but that is just humanity. What I have really noticed after two years as a member of several facebook groups relating to several disciplines that I am interested and participate in, there are far, far, far, more "Keyboard Kommanders" and "Internet Heroes" over there than there ever have been here!! I started out just trying to answer peoples questions that I knew I could help with or make a comment about something that I know is correct, and some of the guys over there are just WAY to full of themselves to even want to hear an idea or an opinion from some one else!! I have gotten to a point where I just answer less and less. Even on here I'm no where near the most prolific poster there is. I have been building and flying all sorts of model airplanes for a long, long time and flying competition for almost as long, and have learned a thing or two, and I like talking about models almost as much as I like flying them. When I think about it, I know a very high number of the members here from going to contests and reading the model magazines over the years. Some I have not met in person but still seems like I know them from reading about them and what they have written. From what I have seen so far on the facebook groups, there are many that I wouldn't care to know!! It's obvious to me , just going from my personal experience and practices, that most of the "Top Contributors" couldn't find their own ass with both hands and a road map!! I still log on and skim through it just for the nugget or two if information I might pick up, and after participating in the activities that I have over the last 30 years, have made some very good friends that live all over the country and even the world, and it's a way of keeping in touch with them, helping them or they helping me. I don't intend to give that up any time soon now that I have gotten used to it. I really haven't had any issues with it so far. But I sure as hell don't think it's superior to Stunthanger and don't understand how some see it that way. And as far as PAMPA trying to mine facebook for new membership and people of interest, I think they will be disappointed in that effort.
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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FB and YT is where I share my hobbies [modeling and automotive] with old friends and any "passersby" who might be looking for a new hobby.
It's amazing how many people in my age group never found a hobby that they can be passionate about. ..or else have old hobbies like hunting and other strenuous sports that they can no longer do.
These people that I'm talking about might be lucky enough to find their way to this website..or they might not.
At least with FB and YT "The Word" has more ways to get out to the public and in my opinion it's a way to reach out to more people who might not realize that this hobby exists.
Of course FB and YT are no replacement for what RC Storick offers here...but I'm of the opinion that these other places can "chum the waters" and eventually bring in fresh blood that would eventually become contributing members here
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Mr. Ken, I gave an order that private griffin was to be left alone. Even though private griffin was a substandard Stunt Hangar member who was disloyal to his forum and his fellow modelers, I did not order a code red. Private griffin was to be transferred to face book at 06:00 hrs. In Stunt Hangar we live by code words of loyalty, honor and integrity. As tragic as it is that disloyal members are expelled, it saves lives.
Now do you want to know my favorite glow engine?
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Now do you want to know my favorite glow engine?
I'm guessing "Nick" Ohlsson & Rice...but I can handle the truth if I'm wrong. LL~
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I've been spreading the word about how POS Jamie Holford of Judice Louisiana made fun of my son getting KIA in Iraq to several veterans groups and to the men who served with my Charlie who earned the Bronze Star.
Whether he likes it or not...Jamie Holford has made himself famous and I'm not done with him yet ...not by a long shot.
http://flyinglines.org/matheny.html
https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/seattletimes/name/charles-matheny-obituary?id=13245560
https://thefallen.militarytimes.com/army-sgt-charles-e-matheny-iv/1550712
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/13696612/charles-e-matheny
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Leave as is!
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Chuck, I am sorry you are going through this. I served in the 197th infantry brigade at Fort Benning and as a civilian police officer. In the Army I was in the honor guard and led a detail where we were bused to funerals. We had a bugler, and rifle squad. It was very hard for me to present the flag and render that last salute. I have seen people killed in both jobs. My cousin on my mother's side worked at the police department with me and was killed in the line of duty.
I have very real understanding of how much it hurts for people to degrade the sacrifice military and law enforcement make to protect us.
The insight I can offer you is to realize those who say such things are not like us. They have no idea of what sacrifice is. They have no self respect because they stand for nothing. They are users. He bottom line is their words are a projection of what they think of themselves. If you do not honor or respect yourself, how can you respect others. I say write them off as losers and move on.
I would have been honored to lead your son's ceremony. God Biess.
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Chuck, I am sorry you are going through this. I served in the 197th infantry brigade at Fort Benning and as a civilian police officer. In the Army I was in the honor guard and led a detail where we were bused to funerals. We had a bugler, and rifle squad. It was very hard for me to present the flag and render that last salute. I have seen people killed in both jobs. My cousin on my mother's side worked at the police department with me and was killed in the line of duty.
I have very real understanding of how much it hurts for people to degrade the sacrifice military and law enforcement make to protect us.
The insight I can offer you is to realize those who say such things are not like us. They have no idea of what sacrifice is. They have no self respect because they stand for nothing. They are users. He bottom line is their words are a projection of what they think of themselves. If you do not honor or respect yourself, how can you respect others. I say write them off as losers and move on.
I would have been honored to lead your son's ceremony. God Biess.
Thanks Man...I think you summed up very well what most of us think about Jamie Holford joking about my son's death.
I wonder how hard Jamie would laugh if his daughter ever got turned to "MOONDUST"...?
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Chuck, he will answer for it.
Galatians 6:7
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
Job 4:8
According to what I have seen, those who plow iniquity
And those who sow trouble harvest it.
Ephesians 6;8
knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free.
Proverbs 18:6
A fool's lips walk into a fight, and his mouth invites a beating.
Proverbs 29:9
If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.
Chuck, I know it is hard right now to see what I conveying. Please try to let it go. You are giving him what he wants.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Rusty
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Chuck, he will answer for it.
Galatians 6:7
“Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.”
Job 4:8
According to what I have seen, those who plow iniquity
And those who sow trouble harvest it.
Ephesians 6;8
knowing that whatever good thing each one does, this he will receive back from the Lord, whether slave or free.
Proverbs 18:6
A fool's lips walk into a fight, and his mouth invites a beating.
Proverbs 29:9
If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.
Chuck, I know it is hard right now to see what I conveying. Please try to let it go. You are giving him what he wants.
Never wrestle with a pig. You both get dirty and the pig loves it.
Rusty
Rusty..I appreciate the time you've taken to express your views and to give me some sage advice.
I am glad to make your acquaintance. Sir.... H^^
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Chuck, you are welcome. I hope the pain will lessen as each day goes by.
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Chuck, you are welcome. I hope the pain will lessen as each day goes by.
I want to thank everyone who contacted me so that we could discuss our disgust about poor Jamie Holford.... H^^
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Dear Mr. Holford,
I am writing you to, respectfully, request you take back the statement(s) that made regarding Chuck's son. In my view what you did was not just degrade the sacrifice Chuck's family made protecting America; you degraded every soldier in Arlington Cemetery. They all, just as Chuck's son, made the ultimate sacrifice.
I do not know what pushed you to that limit. Maybe you was drinking. Maybe you felt you was losing a debate and lashed out. Whatever the causation is you know it was wrong.
All you have to do is apologize. It takes a real man to own their mistakes. I am asking you to contact Sparky and remove this from your record.
Think about it. Do you want to look in the mirror everyday the rest of your life and see a man who publicly degraded a US military family who lost a member in combat?
We all make mistakes. What separates honorable and dishonorable people is how we fix the mistake.
Please apologize and restore yourself.
Thank you.
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Look. You guys. Perhaps I've been banned. Can't see my last post.
Fact Check: who won the presidential election fair and square in 2022?
Fact Check: January 6. Was it an insurrection? A failed attempt to overturn a presidential election? An election legitimized time and again by the judicial institutions of the USA.
I made this point somewhere up the thread. If there is no way to fact check statements made here, what is the point of our political assertions? Can we agree on the above? An election legitimized by our legal institutions time and again. If we cannot agree on the simple statements above, political threads will continue to veer towards propaganda and assertions without analytical merit.
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Look. You guys. Perhaps I've been banned. Can't see my last post.
Fact Check: who won the presidential election fair and square in 2022?
Fact Check: January 6. Was it an insurrection? A failed attempt to overturn a presidential election? An election legitimized time and again by the judicial institutions of the USA.
I made this point somewhere up the thread. If there is no way to fact check statements made here, what is the point of our political assertions? Can we agree on the above? An election legitimized by our legal institutions time and again. If we cannot agree on the simple statements above, political threads will continue to veer towards propaganda and assertions without analytical merit.
This will be a monumental waste of time.
Who won the 2020 election? It's pretty clear, based on who is in the Whitehouse and the current state of the Nation. Fair and square? Not in the least. See the Twitter files and the Suppression of every negative story about Biden. (I would call that election interference)
Jan 6 an insurrection? Not even close. Riot, sure, insurrection, no. Maybe a fedsurrection. Who is Ray Epps Dennis? Did you see that the QAnon Shaman was released because the Jan 6 committee falsified evidence, and withheld exculpatory evidence from the defendants?
Have you noticed that almost everything you believe has been debunked over the past year and a half?
Why do you need fact checkers? Oh, that's right. They aren't fact checkers, they are liberal propagandists, and they push your false narrative.
Just remember, when @#$% hits the fan, liberals and artists starve first.
Derek
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Look. You guys. Perhaps I've been banned. Can't see my last post.
Fact Check: who won the presidential election fair and square in 2022?
Fact Check: January 6. Was it an insurrection? A failed attempt to overturn a presidential election? An election legitimized time and again by the judicial institutions of the USA.
I made this point somewhere up the thread. If there is no way to fact check statements made here, what is the point of our political assertions? Can we agree on the above? An election legitimized by our legal institutions time and again. If we cannot agree on the simple statements above, political threads will continue to veer towards propaganda and assertions without analytical merit.
Sorry for all concerned but you were not banned that I can see. The post you half quoted was in the "light tip weight" thread, not here. I would like to think that was a mistake. It is the first half of that post, the part you left out here, that would be the cause if you were banned. Digging up a two year old post to start another %$%$@ storm is the very definition of a "Troll". You should be careful when you "poke the bear". It may be sleeping or just unimpressed and ignore you, or it may have you for breakfast.
Ken
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This will be a monumental waste of time.
Who won the 2020 election? It's pretty clear, based on who is in the Whitehouse and the current state of the Nation. Fair and square? Not in the least. See the Twitter files and the Suppression of every negative story about Biden. (I would call that election interference)
Jan 6 an insurrection? Not even close. Riot, sure, insurrection, no. Maybe a fedsurrection. Who is Ray Epps Dennis? Did you see that the QAnon Shaman was released because the Jan 6 committee falsified evidence, and withheld exculpatory evidence from the defendants?
Have you noticed that almost everything you believe has been debunked over the past year and a half?
Why do you need fact checkers? Oh, that's right. They aren't fact checkers, they are liberal propagandists, and they push your false narrative.
Just remember, when @#$% hits the fan, liberals and artists starve first.
Derek
I find it humorous - and fitting - that Moritz refers to a Presidential election in 2022 ... and then refers to fact-checkers!
LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
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Guys, guys , guys.
Don't engage with a NUB.
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Leave as is.