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Offline Chuck Feldman

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table saws for modlers
« on: December 20, 2006, 07:13:45 AM »
Do any of you use a table saw (small one) seems to me that cutting good straight strips of balsa would be easier with a table saw and a fence.

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Re: table saws for modlers
« Reply #1 on: December 20, 2006, 08:16:10 AM »
Do any of you use a table saw (small one) seems to me that cutting good straight strips of balsa would be easier with a table saw and a fence.

Thanks, Chuck of Stuart

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Re: table saws for modlers
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2006, 08:41:06 AM »
Having done a fair amount of woodworking, cabinets and such mostly. I can say that cutting wood, any wood on a table saw does not a straight peice insure. The internal stress in the wood is released anytime you cut it and it can and will, especially when you want a straight peice, warp. A lot has to do with grain structure so If you pay attention and work with the grain it is possible. The greatest problem with a table saw is the loss that occurs when you cut by the blade kerf. A band saw is generally as good for this type work. If set up with a resaw fence it can be a better way to cut esecially soft wood such as balsa. Stripping is still my fav method for narrow strips. Anything over 1/4 inch wide strips I use my long sanding block as a guide with a #11 xacto. The sandpaper keeps the straight edge from slipping. That being said, I have used my table saw with a thin kerf blade to cut thicker stock and just gritted my teeth at the material loss. Best advice, buy a GOOD blade it makes a huge difference in the quality of cut.
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Re: table saws for modlers
« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2006, 09:40:37 AM »
Do any of you use a table saw (small one) seems to me that cutting good straight strips of balsa would be easier with a table saw and a fence.

Thanks, Chuck of Stuart
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The band saw idea is a good alternative if these are out of the question..I have the Delta 9" Shopmaster bandsaw and noticed Micro Mark sells the rip fence for it. Hmmm...

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Re: table saws for modlers
« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2006, 10:54:06 AM »
My lab technician bought one of these and he claims that, dollar-for-dollar, it's the best out there.

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Re: table saws for modlers
« Reply #5 on: December 20, 2006, 11:28:14 AM »
Do any of you use a table saw (small one) seems to me that cutting good straight strips of balsa would be easier with a table saw and a fence.

Thanks, Chuck of Stuart

Chuck,

I would (wood?) first ask if you have access to any other type of powered saw. If not, I would  suggest that you look at purchsing a good bandsaw. The bandsaw is far more versatile than a table saw. Except for throat limitations (i.e. width you can cut) which is not likely an issue for modeling, you can cut almost any material including aluminum or carbon fiber into any shape (including straight and curved) you desire with outstanding accuracy. As for cutting strip wood, like Mark said, you will only get what is in the piece of wood that you start with. For small strips a Master Airscrew balsa stripper should take care of most stripping tasks. If you want ultra high accuracy strips you should look at the Jim Jones indoor wood stripper available through F1D.BIZ

A table saw blade will eat a lot of expensive balsa (even a thin one). A bandsaw blade can be as thin as .018. I would never even think of trying to cut some thin balsa sheet from a small block on a table saw. It is not safe. A bandsaw allows you to get right up close to the blade with no fear of kickback. Installation of a high precission fence system will allow you to work to even tighter tolerances. For my money, the best modeling bandsaw is the older Sears 12" model. It is very rigid and holds adjustments well. It is not designed to cut 6x4 blocks of hardwood but it will cut exceptionally well on balsa. Mark also rightly pointed out that blade selection and material is very important. I highly recommend Swedish low tension silicon steel blades with milled teeth for wood.

I have attached some pictures to give you an idea of how accurate a bandsaw can cut. This first picture is of two 2x 18 strips of indoor wood. The second picture is of one strip that measures .010 (ten one thousandths of an inch) thick. Cut on my Sears Bandsaw WITHOUT the high precision fence. The next picture is the second piece which measures just less than .005 of an inch thick. Again cut WITHOUT the high precision fence! All pieces were cut " rough" to about 3 thou more than their finished dimension and then final sanded. The next picture shows that you can read type through the .005 thick piece. The final shot is of the Sear 12" bandsaw that I have used for the past 22 years.

You could not get me to trade the bandsaw for a tablesaw if you gave me free 5 pound balsa for life.

Kim Doherty 
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« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2006, 06:25:32 PM »
I have a Proxxon Table Saw FKS/E. I found a very interesting use for it. I found a way to stop cupping of flaps by cutting grooves in the flaps using the saw. The depth of the cuts depends on the overall thickness of the piece but as an example on a 1/4" thick flap the cuts are about an 1/8" deep and spaced about 3" apart on each side. I stagger the cuts on the opposite side. I then cut 1/16" strips and glue them in the slots. It's best to cut the strips all the same thickness and then it's easy to glue them in and place weights to hold the flap flat until the glue dries.

When they are dry, sand the strips flat. The two different grain orientations makes for a very stable piece.

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Re: table saws for modlers
« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2006, 07:34:14 PM »
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     Try this website the machines are fabulous and the price is competitive.

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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2006, 07:45:14 PM »
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Re: table saws for modlers
« Reply #9 on: December 21, 2006, 11:28:16 PM »
Chuck,



I have attached some pictures to give you an idea of how accurate a bandsaw can cut. Kim Doherty 

That is some fantastic sawing.

What kind of a blade do use? TPI, Width, Thickness, tooth design ?

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