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Sickening a$$holes
« on: April 27, 2025, 04:16:34 PM »
So now model airplanes incite hate speech?
Why do some low-life jerkoffs have to invade our hobby?


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Re: Sickening a$$holes
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2025, 05:06:23 PM »
So now model airplanes incite hate speech?
Why do some low-life jerkoffs have to invade our hobby?

   We live in a world of "the church of eternal grievance", where not only are a significant number of people greatly offended by things that have nothing to do with them or harms them in any way, there are a significant number or people an organizations are willing to pander to them regardless of the merits of the complaint. A common refrain is that "if even one person is offended, we have to do something".

    Youtube is among the worst of the panderers, they have an iron-clad (and of course, one-sided) set of policies that operate on one complaint to shut down entire channels, ban or shadow-ban people or comments, etc. Of course, there is no real way of challenging this, because they know better than you and I...

    I note this has nothing to do with people invading our hobby - it's outsiders taking potshots. They have nothing to do with it, they are just observing it. In this case (banning/demonotizing a video for the apparently patently offensive and threatening crime of showing, coincidentally, a *swastika* in a historically appropriate context), it's very likely that no individual person was offended, probably a bot looking for swastika images and automatically reporting it.

     Ironic, considering that Europe is currently sleepwaking (or rather, have already sleepwalked) into a new totalitarian state that, aside from the camps (so far...), is operating *exactly the way the last group did* - suppressing election results,  banning candidates, attempting to ban entire political parties. Makes you wonder if suppressing their own historical propensities has now made it impossible to recognize the fact that they are repeating it.

     Brett

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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2025, 08:01:20 PM »
I don't support what the Germans did but I think they had some really cool planes and jets. I mean they just stuck a big old jet engine on top of that plane LOL who thinks up this stuff. That being said, I don'y fly my F190A at certain fields and I wouldn't put it on utube. Lot of nutty people out there don't understand it's not a campaign but just a historical representation.

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2025, 09:49:09 PM »
' I don't support what the Germans  "

nice blokes , those germans .



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Re: Sickening a$$holes
« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2025, 10:18:38 PM »
   We live in a world of "the church of eternal grievance", where not only are a significant number of people greatly offended by things that have nothing to do with them or harms them in any way, there are a significant number or people an organizations are willing to pander to them regardless of the merits of the complaint. A common refrain is that "if even one person is offended, we have to do something".

    Youtube is among the worst of the panderers, they have an iron-clad (and of course, one-sided) set of policies that operate on one complaint to shut down entire channels, ban or shadow-ban people or comments, etc. Of course, there is no real way of challenging this, because they know better than you and I...

    I note this has nothing to do with people invading our hobby - it's outsiders taking potshots. They have nothing to do with it, they are just observing it. In this case (banning/demonotizing a video for the apparently patently offensive and threatening crime of showing, coincidentally, a *swastika* in a historically appropriate context), it's very likely that no individual person was offended, probably a bot looking for swastika images and automatically reporting it.

     Ironic, considering that Europe is currently sleepwaking (or rather, have already sleepwalked) into a new totalitarian state that, aside from the camps (so far...), is operating *exactly the way the last group did* - suppressing election results,  banning candidates, attempting to ban entire political parties. Makes you wonder if suppressing their own historical propensities has now made it impossible to recognize the fact that they are repeating it.

     Brett

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Re: Sickening a$$holes
« Reply #6 on: April 28, 2025, 12:24:41 AM »
So now model airplanes incite hate speech?
Why do some low-life jerkoffs have to invade our hobby?
It is why others have moved to other video platforms. It is why I quit F?c?b??k and Tw?tt?r.

Does it make one boil with anger? Yes. Any time one sees injustice that has any sense of moral fiber will feel that way. Have you noticed that they are willing to arrest law abiding citizens, we have so many laws on the books that has nothing to do with apprehending criminals and executing true justice, but are willing to fine you on some minor technicality of the law?

Here is an interesting article: https://www.renegadetribune.com/us-army-releases-ad-featuring-all-white-men-commenters-are-having-none-of-it/

It is okay to show all minority but not all Anglo? It's just an ad, get over it.

When I was in the service, there were a higher percentage of minorities already. In the early 1970's, it was a meritocracy, didn't favor one's pigment over another. This is the reason for the higher percentage of minorities. They saw a fair system, put in their work and got promoted. Then, they did not care who you were, you were a soldier / sailor / airman.

EweToob has gotten so large that they are not afraid to change the rules, because in essence they are lawless and none of our elected leaders see any reason to change this.

My suggestion? Don't focus on them, find your own happiness and support your loved ones, neighbors and friends.

And, perhaps there is another video site one can post on that don't have these restrictions?

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« Reply #7 on: April 28, 2025, 12:27:57 AM »
I think it has to do with money.   A few years ago YT demonetized a lot of people where they created "standards" that had to be met to be paid again.   One channel I watched was "Eric the Car Guy," who made videos on how to do auto repair.  The guy was very helpful to me, as I try to do all my vehicle repairs, including replacing AC compressors, brakes, replacing bad capacitors in the instrument cluster, etc.   But, for some reason, YT cut off Eric even though he achieved the required followers (I think a 100k) and was achieving the required views.   I felt his pain, as this guy put a lot of work into making the videos, editing them and posting them.  YT is a machine, it doesn't have a human side to it.  <Pink Floyd - Welcome to the machine applies here.>  Another area YT has sanitized food for thought is causes and cures for disease, i.e. autism and COVID.   YT has banned people and channels for saying what YT does not want said, even though it is the truth.  You see the truth is not what matters to YT, it is the false image of purity they want to project that matters.  Remember the saying, "If you can control people's thoughts, you can control them."  Guess who said that, whose mention is banned. The money comes into play because advertisers have access to the programming because of their threat to pull ads due to "user" posting something they don't like.  I think in Eric's case he criticized a particular car and that upset an advertiser. 

If you think sanitizing YT is something, read about how certain religions have rewritten the Bible (some several times) to sanitize it. 

It really boils down to what Jack Nicholson said in A Few Good Men, "You can't handle the truth." 


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Re: Sickening a$$holes
« Reply #8 on: April 28, 2025, 07:43:04 AM »
Probably some kids reported it a few times and AI zapped it. He could appeal it.
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« Reply #9 on: April 28, 2025, 08:36:00 AM »
During Covid, April 5, 2020, I posted a video of our prerecorded church service for on-line viewers. I used an intelligent arranger keyboard workstation for the backing band and my own voice, to sing a song published in 1887, Trust and Obey.

No sooner I uploaded the video, I got a EweToob message that rights belonged to several big name media companies, I could leave it posted but it could not be monitized. For one, I am not interested in monitization. It was their A.I. false positive.

I filed a rebuttal stating the music was in the Public Domain. I never received a reply, but they removed the rights.

A few years before that incident, I had installed new speakers on my 2001 Kawasaki ZG1200 Voyager XII tourer, showed a short video of before and after installing the new speakers. I turned the radio on, song playing at the time was Saved by Zero. I got the same message, which was odd. Such short play is an example of "Fair Use", similar to academic criteque.

Since, I have deleted all my content to include my saxophone playing except for this and another service video. I have posted nothing new after deleting my content.

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« Reply #10 on: April 28, 2025, 02:35:36 PM »
   The same people complaining about swastikas on model airplanes are graffitiing swastikas on teslas.  Couldn't make that up if I tried my hardest...

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« Reply #11 on: April 28, 2025, 02:52:13 PM »
Thanks to all for the responses.

Yeah, I guess there are numbers if ignorant sickening low-life jackasses who have nothing better to do than complain about anything that they deem racist, hateful, etc.

You may recall some years back some bozo complained about the cover of a model airplane magazine for featuring a scale model of a German fighter plane that showed the Luftwaffe insignia on the wing.
He actually wrote to the editor claiming the offensive nature of the cover.
Hopefully, the editor told the malcontent exactly where to put the magazine - potentially very uncomfortable!

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Re: Sickening a$$holes
« Reply #12 on: April 28, 2025, 03:09:52 PM »
' I don't support what the Germans  "

nice blokes , those germans .



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PS: I've always maintained that since the swastika existed for thousands of years before it was besmirched by the Nazis, so there's no reason to ban it or not use it. Imagine, if they'd adopted the 4 leaf clover as a symbol of luck, as the swastika was intended to be. What would our final trick of our stunt pattern be then? 
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« Reply #13 on: April 28, 2025, 05:24:10 PM »
Hopefully, the editor told the malcontent exactly where to put the magazine - potentially very uncomfortable!

The problem is that to force a publisher to withdraw a photo or article, it includes those who threaten to remove their advertising from the publication.

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« Reply #14 on: April 28, 2025, 06:00:42 PM »
A full-on Swastika has the bars shaped like a letter S that are right facing.  A backwards swastika is left facing.  Both have been used as a symbol by many cultures and religions.  That is until appropriated and used by an evil regime.

I am always impressed to see vandals get it wrong.  Speaks to their intelligence.

Currently the crazies want to change our right to free speech to the right to free speech (unless you offend someone).  Keep in mind that the Supreme court has ruled free speech can be offensive.

My dad fought in WW2, and I am aware of the instant visceral reaction folks can have to the swastika.  On planes I have built that would have had one, I just leave it off.  That way I don't have to hear someone else's free speech on how they don't like it.

I always wondered why not use a backwards symbol that certainly does not mean the same thing.


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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2025, 06:04:40 PM »
Keep in mind that the Supreme court has ruled free speech can be offensive.

Correction, "the Supreme court has ruled free speech TRUTH can be offensive."

We used to have a saying when I grew up in the 1960's, "Sticks and stones can break my bones, but names will never hurt me."

Historic decals to render a proper representation of something in history used to not be so called offensive. For years, all sorts of modelling kits contained Swastikas on German and other nations using them. Even as children we'd divide up, half would play Germans, half would play Americans. We played war. No one got offended. It was simply child's play.

Recently, everything thing imaginable has become sensitized. Everything has been inverted.

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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2025, 06:41:30 PM »
Trouble-makers will always find something to complain about.  You can never appease them.  So don't even try.

One good response is:  "If your biggest problem is a war that was over 80 years ago you have a good life."
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Re: Sickening a$$holes
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2025, 06:44:17 PM »
Hello

What's next remove the 'Z' out of the alphabet as another crowd that offends is using it? They will have to rename a lot of cars and motorbikes!
A lot of my old scale models had the dreaded 'S" symbol, I don't fly them away from home now and refinished my FW190 in post war French colors and markings as some people in our club took offense. Bit tricky for me as they know my Dad was on the wrong side in WWII even if he was too young to be included and was in the army post war.

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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2025, 07:23:43 PM »
   The same people complaining about swastikas on model airplanes are graffitiing swastikas on teslas.  Couldn't make that up if I tried my hardest...

   Don't you get it?  It is OK when *they* do it - their feelings might hurt. What else could they do but go on a rampage?

     Brett

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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2025, 09:31:23 PM »
A full-on Swastika has the bars shaped like a letter S that are right facing.  A backwards swastika is left facing.  Both have been used as a symbol by many cultures and religions.  That is until appropriated and used by an evil regime.

I am always impressed to see vandals get it wrong.  Speaks to their intelligence.

Currently the crazies want to change our right to free speech to the right to free speech (unless you offend someone).  Keep in mind that the Supreme court has ruled free speech can be offensive.

My dad fought in WW2, and I am aware of the instant visceral reaction folks can have to the swastika.  On planes I have built that would have had one, I just leave it off.  That way I don't have to hear someone else's free speech on how they don't like it.

I always wondered why not use a backwards symbol that certainly does not mean the same thing.

   I believe there were swastikas found in ancient Native American art, cave dwellings and such. it was also considered a mark of quality in this county long ago. In the City of St. Louis there are many very old buildings that have swastikas in their stone work. And if you go back far enough with Flying Aces magazine, there is a swastika on the cover on the printer's emblem. I have a bunch of those. That was when it was just a pulp fiction story magazine and it was considered a sign of quality. That is easy to look up and prove, but most people won't believe me when I tell them. They all think Schicklgruber invented it.

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    PS To Add: Now that I think of it, the screaming Indian Chief insignia for the WW-I Squadron Lafayette Escadrille has a swastika in it also. I just can't get a link to work for pictures of the different versions, but most had one on it.
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2025, 11:13:50 PM »

    PS To Add: Now that I think of it, the screaming Indian Chief insignia for the WW-I Squadron Lafayette Escadrille has a swastika in it also. I just can't get a link to work for pictures of the different versions, but most had one on it.

The double whammy of cultural appropriation!

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« Reply #21 on: April 29, 2025, 12:17:09 AM »
Hi

You guys in the states and elsewhere have no idea whats going on in the UK.

We are rapidly turning into a dystopian dumpster fire mix of 1984, Brave New World and Fahrenheit 451.  A two tier police state where ‘Crime Non Crime’ incidents are a real thing. 

Most people here still haven’t realised just how bad it is, mainly as they are distracted by ‘beer, bread and games’. 

If visiting the UK is on your bucket list … make it soon.

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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2025, 07:34:20 AM »
The double whammy of cultural appropriation!

   Brett

p.s. Hogan's Hero's is on. Major Hochstetter's armbands do not have Smiley Faces on them....

   

     That's one of the images I found. I was just getting ready to go to bed and found all sorts of different versions but that's more or less the common one, and sometimes the swastika is reversed. I just could not make a link to what I was seeing that worked, maybe out of exhaustion!! I built a Beginner/Intermediate Class airplane years ago of a ME-109 that had a Rabe nose with upright engine, that lent itself beautifully to being an inline engine/wing/stab design, with a Chipmunk wing and used the Midwest ME-109 fuselage as a pattern. I finished it all in white with free hand patches of gray paint sprayed on to look like Russian Front winter camo. I put a swastika on the rudder like the photo I had seen, but reversed it, and got a comment or three from people. I asked them what they knew about the symbol and most just mumbled gibberish to me. I would say it was a model of the airplane, not a testament to any one person or political point of view. It eventually wore off over time and I never replaced it, mainly out of laziness!
 
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2025, 07:53:51 AM »
Before WW2, the New Mexico National Guard used the swastika in their division emblem. An emblem used by American Indians for ever. They later had to switch to the Thunderbird.. I think they were the 47th Div, could be mistaken. Considering the times, it was understandable..
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« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2025, 05:34:18 PM »
My 1938 Focke-Wulf 44J sported the Swedish National Air Force insignia.  Lucky for me I didn't choose any one of the German (Nazi) color schemes.  As far as I know, Sweden is on our side, so their insignia shouldn't cause any stir.
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« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2025, 05:48:26 PM »
Oh-Oh!  I may be in trouble here.   One of my semi-scale stunters happens to have a Japanese war-era insignia.  I guess I'll keep it hidden until all this blows over.
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« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2025, 05:50:01 PM »
Sweden was an active supplier and supporter of Nazi Germany, although Sweden stopped short of actually supplying fighting men.

Germany was able to conquer Norway by delivering troops, weapons and ammunition on the Swedish railway system.
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« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2025, 05:51:13 PM »
Oh-Oh!  I may be in trouble here.   One of my semi-scale stunters happens to have a Japanese war-era insignia.  I guess I'll keep it hidden until all this blows over.

Nobody has a grudge against Japan.  Only Germany.
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« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2025, 08:33:14 PM »
I feel that people are entitled to put whatever symbols or markings they want on something they built.
But for me personally, I F$%@ing HATE the sight of a Swastika anywhere! Nothing is a better representation
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« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2025, 12:03:49 AM »
You guys in the states and elsewhere have no idea whats going on in the UK.

   I can't speak for anyone else, but I have been observing both the UK and the EU and watching what was happening with a mix of fascination and horror. I think many people here were thrilled with Brexit, but since, any advantages you may have gained by it have been intentionally undermined by Remain and sympathizers, and Conservative bumbling. The tidal wave of immigrants, in particular, was certain to cause a complete disaster.

      I think we also got a wake-up call when we found that the London Police Chief was threatening to arrest Americans for twitter posts about the Muslim riots.  I think we also did not appreciate Labor sending 50 "election experts" over to the US to campaign for first Joe and the Kamala. The Russians just posted sneaky tweets, the UK Labor Party sent people here to blatantly tamper with the election. Of course, it backfired.

      The EU is headed down the same rathole at Warp 9, JD Vance nailed that one.

      So, plenty of people over here at least get the gist of the problem in the UK. You are technically not in the EU, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
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« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2025, 07:54:13 AM »
I think the liking or disliking of icons, symbols or people, is controlled greatly by media labeling.   It dates all the way back to when Jesus was on this earth.  People labeled him in a bad way and that cost him his life.   It is the same thing today.  People get on social networking and label something how they feel about it and if others buy into it can change how the world see it.  Many examples are for instance the gay lifestyle.  It was illegal and if you did it, you kept to yourself.  Now, the media and gay activist have pushed the pendulum to where they have the rainbow as their icon and have right to live openly.  Same goes for Confederate statutes and names. They changed history to where people who were doing nothing more than serving their country was labeled evil.   They want their history erased.   However, when it was verified that Bush Jr. and his admin lied, boldly, about weapons a mass destruction in Iraq and wrongfully invaded that country, there is no labeling or hatred toward those that served.   It all boils down to mind control.  If they can make you think something is as they want you to, having nothing to do with the truth, they can control you.  Now, AI can make videos of people doing things that are computer generated.  When that is posted, people believe it.   The interview of Mr. Trump had a discussion of the person deported to prison.  Mr. Trump said the person was a gang member and has a picture of his knuckles with MS13 tattooed on them.  The interviewer  said the picture was altered by photoshop.   It is apparent the most powerful people now are the ones who own the media companies, internet and social media companies.  Through their actions, they can make people believe anything.   

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« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2025, 08:23:38 AM »
I sit here now after reading all of this stuff and remember a well known stunt competitor who had to change the insignias on his plane before the world champ so it wouldn't offend any body. D>K
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« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2025, 09:38:35 AM »
   I can't speak for anyone else, but I have been observing both the UK and the EU and watching what was happening with a mix of fascination and horror. I think many people here were thrilled with Brexit, but since, any advantages you may have gained by it have been intentionally undermined by Remain and sympathizers, and Conservative bumbling. The tidal wave of immigrants, in particular, was certain to cause a complete disaster.

      I think we also got a wake-up call when we found that the London Police Chief was threatening to arrest Americans for twitter posts about the Muslim riots.  I think we also did not appreciate Labor sending 50 "election experts" over to the US to campaign for first Joe and the Kamala. The Russians just posted sneaky tweets, the UK Labor Party sent people here to blatantly tamper with the election. Of course, it backfired.

      The EU is headed down the same rathole at Warp 9, JD Vance nailed that one.

      So, plenty of people over here at least get the gist of the problem in the UK. You are technically not in the EU, but if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...
     Brett

   

I wonder what it felt like to live through the ‘Fall of the Roman Empire’.  Probably imperceptible given the timescales.  The UK is a super accelerated version of that.  Its more than perceptible.  I dread the day I have to go to the ‘Halls of my ancestors’ and explain what an utter ……





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« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2025, 10:07:42 AM »
I wonder what it felt like to live through the ‘Fall of the Roman Empire’.  Probably imperceptible given the timescales.  The UK is a super accelerated version of that.  Its more than perceptible.  I dread the day I have to go to the ‘Halls of my ancestors’ and explain what an utter ……

      What makes absolutely no sense is why, even now, people like Starmer and his ilk are doing this? It's perfectly clear that if they keep it up, everyone will lose everything. No one is going to get rich or gain power, far from it, they will all end up living in a theocracy where people like Starmer, Lammy, etc, are shoved aside. How do Labor, or any of the individuals behind all of this ultimately benefit? Usually, you can see how politicians do things for their own benefit - EU, for example, formed to allow the "rich" countries (Germany, France, etc) gain access to low-cost labor and resources from Eastern Europe. Same reasoning as the Nazis.    The US left was using unrestricted illegal immigration to try to form a permanent majority by getting these "poor downtrodden refugees" hooked on handouts from the Democrat party - which seems to have, amusingly, backfired on them.

   But I don't see how any politician in the UK benefitting from this for more than a briefly - at the rate they are going, they will all be swept aside in short order and have no recourse. The country is already bordering on collapse with the flood still flowing in, unabated. They might try to rejoin the EU - but at this point it will be as one of the exploited rather than the exploiters.  What is the end game?

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« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2025, 02:47:34 PM »
The Latvian airforce also used the swastika on their airplanes during WWII. They were technically allies of Germany, but only because they had a common enemy...Soviet Union. My recollection is that their swastikas were baby blue instead of black, and they were opposite rotation. I still say 30/10,000 years of abuse by evil bastards doesn't make it a bad symbol.

My Dad flew in both Europe and South Pacific in WWII and knew guys who were in the "Battan Death March". He never forgot and hated the Japanese until the day he died. He seemed pretty pissed when I bought a Madza (sic)...followed by a Toyota, another Toyota, a Subaru and another Mazda.  LL~ Steve
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« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2025, 04:14:34 PM »
Sure, but the YouTuber XJET, lives on controversy. 

Including the US FAA, AMA and remote ID (he is an Ausie so why? ).  So I think maybe he is going to grow his channel this way. 
And maybe all the attention it is getting will only reinforce the algorithm that flagged the video. 
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« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2025, 05:20:38 PM »
YouTuber XJET, lives on controversy. 
(he is an Ausie so why? ).
Actually he's from New Zealand. As for the swastika, it was Germany that banned its use, even on model planes, many years ago.

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« Reply #37 on: April 30, 2025, 05:47:41 PM »
As for the swastika, it was Germany that banned its use, even on model planes, many years ago.

  Yes, the Germans are all about banning things, they are attempting to ban a political party, too. Proving that they have learned *absolutely nothing* from their previous mistakes, and are bent on repeating them. Their problem isn't about particular symbols or particular individuals or groups - *it's the strong tendency to follow rules blindly* and *contempt or disregard for free expression and individualism*.    This is why they managed to get an entire nation of otherwise rational people to not only allow, but actively participate in, some of the most heinous immoral episodes in recent human history - "it's the law!".

     A nation of inveterate "rule followers* is a necessary pre-requisite for a totalitarian/socialist/communist regimes to form and exist.

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« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2025, 06:01:27 PM »
I sit here now after reading all of this stuff and remember a well known stunt competitor who had to change the insignias on his plane before the world champ so it wouldn't offend any body. D>K
You are referring to Don Still and his Stuka Stunt.. His emblems, if I recall, were close to a stylized 6 pointed star.
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« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2025, 06:07:09 PM »
Oh-Oh!  I may be in trouble here.   One of my semi-scale stunters happens to have a Japanese war-era insignia.  I guess I'll keep it hidden until all this blows over.
The thing here is Japan is still using that emblem not only on their aircraft, but at one time on Formula one cars as well.
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« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2025, 06:53:33 PM »
One big difference is that the government of Japan actually surrendered to us and buried the hatchet. 
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« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2025, 08:27:55 PM »

     A nation of inveterate "rule followers* is a necessary pre-requisite for a totalitarian/socialist/communist regimes to form and exist.

    Brett

 A good definition of our Democratic party agenda, very scary stuff.
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« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2025, 11:20:19 PM »
A good definition of our Democratic party agenda, very scary stuff.

    Fortunately for us all, while that may be a few people's goal, I don't think the analogy fits too well.  Not too many people here are blind rule-followers to the core, just witness the wild swings of the left's love for the "rule of law" - which if the law allows them to do what they want, then, the rule of law is sacrosanct, and if it prevents them from doing what they want, then the law is tossed aside in an instant.

    As an example, one moment they will be calling for Trump to be impeached as the next Hitler and trying to get Federal judges to undermine his every move as the highest elected official, and then turn around in the next instant and attempt to smuggle a previously twice deported illegal alien -  on trial at that very instant for  violent crimes, for which he has an extensive history - out through the judge's chambers to avoid ICE taking him into custody.    And while I know some are sympathetic, some on the right let themselves be goaded (by what is now clearly a conspiracy) into attempting to invade congress and interfere with a pro forma conduct of a perfectly lawful process.

   Those are certainly not examples of blind rule-following that would be required to operate fundamentally evil state institutions, they are examples of people who judge things through their own values and act accordingly, mostly regardless of the rules. In other words, a nation of *individuals* who participate and cooperate based on their own beliefs, and push back when it rubs them the wrong way. And of course are in continual conflict with each other.

      The very first reaction most Americans have to "orders" or "rules" they disagree with is to say (to themselves or out loud) "Who the hell are you to be giving me orders?" It makes for a somewhat chaotic country, and hard to "govern" - which is of course was the genius of the system set out by the founding fathers. It curries and then exploits that attitude to ensure that no central powers (local, state, federal) ever runs smoothly with perfect assurance, it is a continuous series of loud arguments. That is good, that is the goal, that is what keeps individuals enaged and free. They system abhors a monoculture of thought, and any time that happens, it propagates evil, but only to the next election, when the monoculture is almost always broken up by the collective genius of the American people.

    You still have to guard against totalitarian forces, and still have to be able to recognize when things are running a bit too smoothly, but it is wildly against the nature of the American psyche to just go along with something they don't believe in just because it happens to be a rule.  It works in *both directions*, left and right, and no matter which way you lean, you are counting on this basic nature to make the system work.

     To my point above, that is the lesson I think the Germans have failed to learn. The Germans, on the whole, are not evil or corrupt people.  Only a small band of evil people and their detailed philosophy were wrong.  Somehow, then, you have to explain how a group of generally decent people managed to perpetrate some of the most morally corrupt and evil acts. The attitude of "following rules" and "going along" with things they don't believe in was/is the real root cause of the issue and enabled a small group to gain power and lead the rest into horrific crimes.

    I hope I am wrong and that they are acting each to his own.  In some ways, they wallow in their past with endless self-flaggelation over the guilt they supposedly carry - despite the fact that almost no one alive today had anything to do with it*. But even contemplating the idea of banning a *very popular* political party or inanimate objects bearing a particular symbol does not seem to be an indication that they actually "get it".

      Brett

*Note that this, too, is another example or indication that they do not understand - almost no German alive to day actually holds any guilt or culpability in the crimes of the Nazis, any more than anyone alive in the USA today has any guilt or culpability for slavery, stealing land from the Indians, etc. The entire notion that this guilt somehow still falls on people today is another indication that they are thinking of themselves as a "group" whose members were indeed guilty, so they are, too. This is the sort of "group think" that caused the problem in the past and while the specifics are different, the attitude seems to be there as strong as ever.

    Properly-formed *individuals* do not think that way. I am not responsible for anything my ancestors did, right or wrong.

   Again, I hope I am wrong, but just about everything I see, from formal news reports to even youtube gags (like this one: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xNCeG8sO-bQ?feature=share ) suggests otherwise.
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« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2025, 11:58:57 PM »
Can someone enter a scale model airplane contest with a German WWII plane and it NOT have it's authentic markings? 

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« Reply #44 on: May 01, 2025, 04:55:11 AM »
. This is the sort of "group think" that caused the problem in the past and while the specifics are different, the attitude seems to be there as strong as ever.

    Properly-formed *individuals* do not think that way. I am not responsible for anything my ancestors did, right or wrong.

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Group Fear seemed to be the order of the day for they average German during WWII, being 'cancelled' back then was terminal in many cases . Besides concentration camps they had many ways of punishing non conformists. My Dad born there in 1930 had many stories of why people conformed .

Note to Rusty: On a lighter side there are many German aircraft that were used post war by the Allies or used as test aircraft in suitable markings.

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« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2025, 11:29:26 AM »
My Dad flew in both Europe and South Pacific in WWII and knew guys who were in the "Battan Death March". He never forgot and hated the Japanese until the day he died. He seemed pretty pissed when I bought a Madza (sic)...followed by a Toyota, another Toyota, a Subaru and another Mazda.  LL~

Much of that hatred was still inbred in rural US in the early 1960's. I and my brothers were known as the "Jap boys" because of my Japanese mother. (My father met her during the Korean War stationed in Japan.) Some parents wouldn't allow their kids to play with us. In 3rd grade I was happy we got military housing, as the kids and parents on base didn't act like these in the trailer park we temporarily lived in.

When one delves deeper into history finds much of what we were taught wasn't all the truth. The so-called current banned books in large on-line shopping sites that were previously best sellers, another form of "book burning" is a good indicator that those elites behind the banning don't want people to know the truth.

I thought it strange now a student at the University of Hawaii in the mid 1970's while at Ala Moana Shopping Center in Waikiki in one of their large stores, to hear a "mainland" couple quip of "cheap Japanese junk" in reference to poor quality. Yet I had bought Panasonic fans, radios, Toshiba stereo systems, drove a used 1967 Datsun PL411 Bluebird, 1968 Hino Contessa (Japanese Renault) and a 1970 Mazda 1800, they were fine cars. The base exchanges at the various military bases sold Japanese goods. I still had access as a reservist, having changed from a uniform to wearing flip-flops, short pants and colored T-Shirts at the U. (Used the GI Bill to help pay my way through college.)

But, I have learned that a good number of people will get angry if you attempt to share the truth because they do not like being confused by the facts, - seriously.
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« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2025, 02:59:52 PM »
If you thought that was stupid, my father was transferred to his last duty station at Keesler Air Base in Biloxi, MS back in 1964 before retiring. There, the administration at the public off-base elementary school I attended kept withholding my report card. My dad would give me my State Dept. birth certificate, American Born Abroad of American Parent(s). Then they would release my report card.

It happened a couple times. He got tired of it, took me down to the INS office in Gulf Port, MS. Received a Citizenship Certificate dated effective my date of birth of mid 1950's. Took that to my teacher, who passed it to the principal. Now I got my report card on time for my parents to review.

However when I joined the Army in the early 1970's, showed them my Citizenship Certificate. They didn't know what to do with it and kept classifying me as "Naturalized". Nothing I did back then would change their minds. (Adds new meaning to "Military Intelligence".)  n~

So, even though I was a legal, born American "immigrant", was considered an illegal in some folk's eyes back then. Go figure.  ~^

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« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2025, 06:10:03 PM »
Sad to hear that, GallopingGhostler, truly. It has been my experience that military folks living on-base make more of an effort to be friendly with neighbors than civilians living in subdivisions. Plus, there are lots of folks from around the country, unlike a lot of civilian areas where some have never been out of the county they were born in, which is also sad.

I found out about 10 years ago that one of my cousins, a 1st generation American born farm boy from Central California, fluent in German, was a spy in Europe during WWII. Smart guy, but I can envision him playing the part of a half-wit bum. I think he lived to be late 80's or early 90's on the family farm. I stopped by and visited on the way to the last GSSC in Clovis ...2008 or 2009.  H^^ Steve
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« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2025, 06:25:11 PM »
In the sixties my father kitbashed a chief into his version of a Mackey 109.He painted it with appropriate markings and was flying itwith my brother. When he landed some man approached him and told him he should be ashamed to honor the nazis . He informed this man that he fought in the battle of the bulge and he decorated it like one that he shot down and he should keep his opinion to himself. I have built two german models,a Jack Sheeks stuka and fw190, both are done in correct markings. The 190 was pilots choice and spirit of 69 award winner at 2024 nats. I have little patience for small minded people.  George

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« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2025, 09:08:50 PM »
Can someone enter a scale model airplane contest with a German WWII plane and it NOT have it's authentic markings?

 Sure can... y1
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