Ukraine Brass Steel lines

[Paul Taylor]

 Anyone have any experience with the Ukraine ready to use lines?
Has the crimped ends. 4 Strands rated at 50 lbs. .016.

[Ken Culbertson]

Anyone have any experience with the Ukraine ready to use lines?
Has the crimped ends. 4 Strands rated at 50 lbs. .016.

Yes.  They are excellent but you must keep them clean.  I was sent a set of the 3 wire when they first came out to test and I have been using them ever since.  He made some changes to the end crimping in later runs.  I had cut the ends off on the plane side and wrapped them ala AMA specs.  IMHO they are superior to steel.
I don't think there are any new sets available since the war.  Here is a link for the 3 line.

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Ken

[Lauri Malila]

Yes they can be crimped but that would be my least preferred method.
My favorite method would be to wrap like AMA says, but with Kevlar thread & cyanoacrylate. Close second would be soldering, and then AMA copper wire wrapping and crimping.
With Kevlar wrapping there is practically zero risk of creating a hard point stress riser. But I don’t know if your rules accept it. L

[Brett Buck]

Yes they can be crimped but that would be my least preferred method.
My favorite method would be to wrap like AMA says, but with Kevlar thread & cyanoacrylate. Close second would be soldering, and then AMA copper wire wrapping and crimping.
With Kevlar wrapping there is practically zero risk of creating a hard point stress riser. But I don’t know if your rules accept it. L

   New rules, anything goes.

    Brett

[Ken Culbertson]

Yes they can be crimped but that would be my least preferred method.
My favorite method would be to wrap like AMA says, but with Kevlar thread & cyanoacrylate. Close second would be soldering, and then AMA copper wire wrapping and crimping.
With Kevlar wrapping there is practically zero risk of creating a hard point stress riser. But I don’t know if your rules accept it. L

With the foldback wrap and heatshrink over the joint there is no need to solder anything.

Ken

[Crist Rigotti]

With the foldback wrap and heatshrink over the joint there is no need to solder anything.

Ken

Ditto to what Ken said.

[frank williams]

Never trust any line ends that you didn't make yourself;
CA can wick into wires and create a hard spot.  Ask Jim Aron about even heavier leadout wire!
Solder can wick and create hard spots.  My yellow rat in a hole in the ground in SanAntonio iis an example.
The Ukrainian lines are fine.  I've had no problems with either the 4 or 3 strand.
I wrap with Radio Shack wirewrap.  Its a fine solid, colored insulated wire.  Easier to wrap than real fine copper.  I twist them off and leave about a quart inch of twist hanging out.  A short piece of heatshrink if desired.  NO CA.

[Lauri Malila]

Never trust any line ends that you didn't make yourself;
CA can wick into wires and create a hard spot.  Ask Jim Aron about even heavier leadout wire!
Solder can wick and create hard spots.  My yellow rat in a hole in the ground in SanAntonio iis an example.
The Ukrainian lines are fine.  I've had no problems with either the 4 or 3 strand.
I wrap with Radio Shack wirewrap.  Its a fine solid, colored insulated wire.  Easier to wrap than real fine copper.  I twist them off and leave about a quart inch of twist hanging out.  A short piece of heatshrink if desired.  NO CA.

I dare to disagree a little. Ca wicking between the strands of a single steel wire does not create any hard point to worry about. And neither does solder if you do it well. But with solder you must of course worry about flux remains, to have them well neutralized.
What does create a hard point is a stiff and heavy chunk of anything, and with thin Kevlar thread it’s easiest to make the binding gradually thinner away from the eyelet. It’s also a fractuon of the weight of copper wrap. It cannot be bad. L

[Tom Luciano]

Paul,
  Some good info in this thread. We at the time had alot of questions about maintenance, etc.

Tom

https://stunthanger.com/smf/open-forum/ukraine-lines/

[jfv]

I've used the lines for a number of years and love them.  As noted, you need to keep them clean and dry.  Do not store them in a plastic bag as condensation may develop.  I also put a drop of oil in each crimp to prevent rusting.

[Mike Palko]

I spoke to Ruslan recently and can confirm he can no longer produce lines because of the war.

Mike

[Paul Taylor]

Thanks guys.
4 strands had me questioning them.

I will take them 4 a spend. 😉

[Frank Wadle]

If someone needs lines, just contact me.
4 strand steel, brass plated, diameter 0,42mm.
Made in western europe :-)

Best regards
Frank

[Motorman]

Anyoe have advise for re-making the line ends AMA style on these brass steel lines. I cut the crimped ends off and instanly lost 6" becaused they unwrapped badly. Also had allot of problems wrapping the line twice around the eyelet. After I finished the wire were seperated south of the wrapping wire so, I don't trust it. This stuff is very stiff and springy. Do you CA glue the wire before cutting? How did you deal with it?

Thanks,
MM

[Tom Luciano]

MM,
Yes, CA before cutting. I found out the hard way too!

Tom

[Ken Culbertson]

CA