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...Ryan Newman
« on: February 18, 2020, 05:37:20 PM »

  I am not the NASCAR fan that I used to be but I am glad that Ryan wasn't hurt any worse than he was, I had hoped that he would win, but it wasn't the time, wish him a speedy recovery and prayers for him and his family..
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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2020, 05:54:33 PM »
  I am not the NASCAR fan that I used to be but I am glad that Ryan wasn't hurt any worse than he was, I had hoped that he would win, but it wasn't the time, wish him a speedy recovery and prayers for him and his family..

The impact with the wall was reminiscent of Earnhardts crash in 2001.
I thought the worst and I’m happy to hear that he is awake and talking with family and doctors
Sure says a lot about NASCARs safety program

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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2020, 08:05:08 PM »
  I am not the NASCAR fan that I used to be but I am glad that Ryan wasn't hurt any worse than he was, I had hoped that he would win, but it wasn't the time, wish him a speedy recovery and prayers for him and his family..

   I am glad he is alive and responding. However, they are being very circumspect about his injuries, which has an ominous vibe about it.

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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2020, 09:00:57 PM »
That impact in the drivers door could have caused some serious injuries. Prayers for rapid and complete recovery.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2020, 09:41:59 PM »
That impact in the drivers door could have caused some serious injuries. Prayers for rapid and complete recovery.
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   The most disturbing aspect was that the other car actually hit the roll cage right next to his head and it was visibly distorted. The fact that they put up shield to block the view when they took him out is *highly unusual* - I had never seen that before in 50+ years of watching motor racing - which is really not promising. We'll see.

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« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2020, 07:19:53 AM »

I agree: The vagueness of the reports on his condition is not encouraging. If they are "not life threatening" as was reported in one press conference, then why all the secrecy? Makes one wonder if a serious trauma to the head with resulting motor function issues or, worse, brain function issues. With 19 years in the sport, this could be an "end of career" experience for Ryan.

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2020, 07:48:46 AM »
Looks like he was tapped by the car/driver behind him?

Any info on this?
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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2020, 08:09:29 AM »
I'm thinking it may be time to end overtime, how many wrecks do we see during these green white checkers?, Why add more chances for a driver to get hurt?  ??? :'(

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2020, 08:27:05 AM »
Judging from the collision with Lajoie Newman must have a severe concussion  and broken bones, ribs, arms and legs maybe neck too.
I may be wrong but I doubt it.
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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2020, 08:37:52 AM »
Just read an update that he is awake and talking but has a bruised brain with some bleeding on the left side of his brain, very lucky to be alive.

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2020, 08:43:32 AM »
The Car of Tomorrow (2008) moved the driver closer to the centerline of the car.  This single change may have contributed to the survivability of such a terrific driver side impact.

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2020, 09:24:35 AM »
Looks like he was tapped by the car/driver behind him?

Any info on this?

    He was being pushed from the back, intentionally, which is how he got to the lead. They got separated in the 4th turn, then got back together (either to push or with Newman blocking the loss of rear downforce, and that spun him out to the right. When the tires grabbed, the car took off to the right, into the wall, lifting the left side of the car off the ground, followed by getting flipped over to the right due to the relative wind.  The car was skidding on the roof and the right side when someone else hit it, in drivers side right above the window. That appeared to severely distort the roll cage right above the seat and headrest. It skidded to a stop, caught fire briefly in the back, then skidded to a stop on the apron.

    Pushing is not at all unusual, it is the fastest way to go, and aside from making the cars more prone to the problem demonstrated, not illegal. It's called a "tandem draft", and has been the fast way around for quite a while now. It's illegal in the other categories, in Cup, it's not, they just mandated some changes to make it too risky, both from an overheating standpoint, and because its easy to have what happened, happen.

    When they first repaved the track, it was possible to run that way indefinitely, limited only by overheating, and it's probably 15 mph faster. If the bumpers slid relative to each other, no problem, if they stick/got locked together, the slightest sideways movement would almost always spin the front car out.  The teams took to putting teflon tape or grease on the rear bumper so they would slide, that was outlawed, the tandem draft was outlawed for a while, then they changed the shape and height requirements of the bumpers to make them not line up, to that instead of a straight push, they would lift the rear end, causing a problem almost immediately.

     As the track got bumpier, it got more risky, because the up/down motion exacerbated the problem. But on the last lap of the race, they were risking it, Newman took the lead via a push/tandem draft down the back stretch, got too far ahead of the pusher in the turn, and was rapidly losing ground to Hamlin and his pusher, so when Newman drifted back to his own pusher, the relatively high closing speed, and desire to try to block Hamlin on the outside and his own pusher, spun him out. More-or-less the same thing when Earnhart Sr. got killed, he was trying to block so Jr. and Michael Waltrip would have it to themselves, very similar crash into the outside wall.

   This is the result of superspeedway racing. They used to have normal engines for Daytona and Talledega, until the speeds got out of hand (200+ mph unassisted back in the 80s, if you did nothing it might be 240 mph now), then a restrictor plate that cut the power from 800 on other tracks to maybe 450, and the unassisted speed is about 185 or so. Now they have a "tapered spacer" which serves a similar purpose and cuts the power everywhere. The loss of power results in a wild difference between a solo car and the draft, about 15-20 mph, so the cars run together for the entire race, in the draft. The last years worth of changes result in a much bigger draft and more rear downforce, which makes the effect of drafting much bigger, but overall slower (but still near 200 mph in a draft) and easier to slingshot past, and then get passed back when you are the leader. That's exactly what happened, he got pushed to the lead, the pusher backed off, with the idea of getting a run in the draft and passing him at the last second, they got together instead (either trying to push or trying to block).

    The first 180 laps of the race were mostly uneventful because everybody just tried to avoid the accident, but this is the superbowl of stock car racing, and everybody tries to beat everyone else. This typically leads to massive multi-car accidents near the end of the races, there were two red flags in the last 20 laps, just like all the others.

 

 

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2020, 09:25:23 AM »
Glad Newman is still with us.  But some drivers use the foot more than the brain.  This crash should not have happened.  In fact most of the wrecks shouldn't happen if drivers would use the brain a little more.  Tire blow outs do happen which no one has control, but to run into some one is just stupid. R%%%%
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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2020, 10:18:44 AM »
Well well, look who's up.  y1 #^ ~>

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2020, 10:20:28 AM »
Glad Newman is still with us.  But some drivers use the foot more than the brain.  This crash should not have happened.  In fact most of the wrecks shouldn't happen if drivers would use the brain a little more.  Tire blow outs do happen which no one has control, but to run into some one is just stupid. R%%%%

     It is absolutely unavoidable. The guy that hit him while upside was going 200 mph, on old tires, and into a cloud of obscuring smoke. You can't just yank the wheel and miss it, you are already at the edge of adhesion (by definition), Slamming on the brakes doesn't help, you lock the tires and skid for 300 feet. I have driven a Winston West car, and even with very soft road race tires, it's like driving on ice, there is so much weight, so much power, and so much brake. You have to treat all the controls like they are a hand grenade waiting to go off - and this was around Sears Point and maybe topped out at 120 mph. They are doing this for a living, if pushing or tandem drafting, and blocking, are the difference in a career moment and also-ran, they are going to do it.

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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2020, 10:21:38 AM »
Well well, look who's up.  y1 #^ ~>

  Beat me to it, it's much better than I expected.

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #16 on: February 19, 2020, 10:27:32 AM »
  Beat me to it, it's much better than I expected.

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I've been watching NASCAR since it was on Wide World Of Sports, this is the first time I felt sick after watching a replay of a wreck, the fact that it looks like a full recovery is nothing short of a miracle, the Lord was watching over him for sure.

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« Reply #17 on: February 19, 2020, 10:36:22 AM »
I've been watching NASCAR since it was on Wide World Of Sports, this is the first time I felt sick after watching a replay of a wreck, the fact that it looks like a full recovery is nothing short of a miracle, the Lord was watching over him for sure.

   So far, so good, but I don't want to jump to any conclusions. Michael Schumacher was alert and awake, and apparently fine, for a while after his skiiing accident. Brain injuries are pretty tricky and are notorious for going south hours/days later, and for long-term side effects (see also: NFL).

  Given all the circumstances, he may be like Junior, and won't risk it any further.

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #19 on: February 19, 2020, 11:39:44 AM »
You beat me to it Dwayne and Mike. I don't know what happened to my recent post, but I'm really happy and amazed to see that he's walking! I still hope that some day soon the restrictor-plate racing will cease. Lowering the banking might be the way to go, but the bump drafting should cease now, IMO. This is a place for aerodynamic research on the cars.

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #20 on: February 19, 2020, 12:55:17 PM »
Released from hospital.  y1

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #21 on: February 19, 2020, 02:18:06 PM »
   The most disturbing aspect was that the other car actually hit the roll cage right next to his head and it was visibly distorted. The fact that they put up shield to block the view when they took him out is *highly unusual* - I had never seen that before in 50+ years of watching motor racing - which is really not promising. We'll see.

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Those black panels on frames were something new, but they have been using tarps to screen bad accident scenes in stock cars at least since 2001 when they used blue tarps to screen the extrication of Steve Park from the wreck with Larry Foyt at Darlington.  It may go back to the 1990s when I think there was some backlash to the images of Ratzenberger and Senna from Imola being shown on TV.
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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #22 on: February 19, 2020, 02:58:03 PM »
That is a great picture. I'm so glad to see it.

Not particularly a Ryan Newman fan, just a fan of seeing the drivers survive an accident okay. Favorite way of accident aftermaths is seeing any involved walking away and grumbling/laughing/anything, about the incident as opposed to hospitals or worse.

If I were in Ryan's shoes, unless that racing fire is still burning unquenchable in his belly... I'd consider hanging up the helmet, enjoy the money,  and spend time with my family and perhaps employ in other aspects of racing.

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« Reply #23 on: February 19, 2020, 10:32:05 PM »
Tonights news showed Ryan walking out of the hospital with his two daughters, one on each side, holding their hands.
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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #24 on: February 20, 2020, 12:45:09 AM »
I am still in disbelief he lived through that wreck.  I thought sure he was flattened inside the car when LaJoie hit him in the drivers side roof area.  And to see him walk out of the hospital today with not even hardly a scratch on him... wow...  Amazing job NASCAR has done with the safety of these cars.  If only Big E could have had the same he'd still be with us.

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« Reply #25 on: February 20, 2020, 10:03:15 AM »
I am still in disbelief he lived through that wreck.  I thought sure he was flattened inside the car when LaJoie hit him in the drivers side roof area.  And to see him walk out of the hospital today with not even hardly a scratch on him... wow...  Amazing job NASCAR has done with the safety of these cars.  If only Big E could have had the same he'd still be with us.

    I think in that case, they installed the belts in a way not recommended, in order to accommodate driver preference, which cause the belt to fail. That came out in the Simpson lawsuit. So there is every chance that he would have survived in that case, too. Plenty of other people survived much worse accidents even at the time.

   Whether that was NASCAR not enforcing manufacturer's recommendation, lack of some other requirements (like HANS), is probably open to debate.  Wonder Boy said it himself the other night, they have made it so safe that you forget that it is intrinsically dangerous.

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #26 on: February 20, 2020, 12:24:58 PM »
When I was watching that crash I was waiting for the car to go up in flames. He is lucky as hell he ended up facing the way he did.  The fuel was pouring out of the tank but running away from the flames that were there. If they catch he is done.  So lucky.  They still never really said what the injuries were.  I am so glad he is at this point ok.  That was really scary. 
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« Reply #27 on: February 20, 2020, 05:29:58 PM »
 
      Sometimes things just go exactly right at the same time that they are going really wrong. I think Newman over corrected just a bit after diving back to the bottom, not realizing Ryan Blaney was going to push. When he hooked up and then hit the wall, all the new safety stuff put in place after DE's fatal injury came into play. When he got on his lid the first time and LaJoie T-boned him, the car was still sliding along the track at a pretty good clip and might not have been in contact with the ground at the point of impact, which was a good thing. The nose of  LaJoie's car acted like the cow catcher on a steam locomotive and scooped Newman up into the air. That all combined to absorb some energy. Then the rest of the flipping and such went they way you want it to, just rolling along. All the bad stuff happening at just the right time and right place, if you can call it that, helped out big time. In the photo from the hospital with the hospital gown on and his daughters with him, it doesn't even look like he got any red eye. I think both Chris Bell and Kyle Larson are still sporting some from the action in midgets down in New Zealand! Newman has been through this stuff many times before, and I'm just talking about NASCAR! He has taken some really nasty flips when he was still racing sprint cars before he hooked up with NASCAR. He just recently got back into midgets with a race here in St. Louis right before Christmas and then the Chili Bowl in Oklahoma. Even at his age, which I'm sure will make the aches and pains seem worse, I'll bet he'll be back in a car as soon as he's cleared. Probably has a good concussion at a minimum.
   I'll bet Jack Roush iis behind some of the secrecy. He has survived two airplane crashes himself where he was the pilot, and wasn't too happy with how things went in the media, and he may have had some input there.
   Earnhart Sr.'s fatal crash was helped along by how he had his seat and belts installed. If I remember correctly, he liked a more reclined position than most and a little closer to the door. This complicated the belt installation and as Brett pointed out, it was not as recommended by Simpson and the belt broke on the first impact. He came out of the belts, and hit the steering wheel with his upper torso so hard it bent/broke the steering wheel, With none of the supports that other drivers were using, and no HANS device, the results are predictable. There have been racing accidents where drivers were more or less decapitated from the whipping motion at impact with the added weight of a helmet.
  It is dangerous. I raced karts for several years and had a few hard knocks but no serious injuries. I raced off road dirt bikes for many years, and still do occasionally, and in doing that, I'm often miles from the nearest help. Is it considered crazy to do this type of sport? Some will say yes. But racing of any kind fits the old saying, if you understand why we do it, no explanation is necessary. If you don't understand it, no explanation is possible.
   I'm glad Ryan came out of it looking so good. He's one of the good guys and deserves to finish his career the way he wants and on his own terms.
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« Reply #28 on: February 20, 2020, 05:57:25 PM »
   I forgot to echo Doug's comments of the fuel tank pouring gas onto the track. That's not sup[posed to happen! They have been running fuel cells for years, and I was of the understanding that in the event of a crash such as this, when parts start to separate, mechanisms are suppose to close off fuel flow so minimal fuel can escape. Years ago, you could see big crashes with the old tanks flying out, spewing gas flaming like a flame thrower. That needs to be looked into, in my opinion! They are running gasahol now also, I just don't know what percentage. Maybe that doesn't have the vapors and fumes of good old Union76 race gas??
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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2020, 09:36:28 AM »
I don't believe that was fuel pouring out with the flames that were burning already.  More light fluid from the engine.  I'm glad he is OK. D>K
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« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2020, 10:26:58 PM »
I'm a fan of Ryan Newman...in fact, a fan of all drivers NOT named Bush or Busch or anything similar to those! I'm very happy that he seems well enough to leave the hospital and isn't driving this weekend. He's got an engineering degree, so I'd think he could work for Roush or any of the teams.

This isn't the first time that a fuel cell has broken open, if that is what did happen. I saw all that clear fluid pouring out and wondered it if was fuel or water. The cause for most of the crashes is either blowing a tire (from too many laps) or simply from blocking. F1 dishes out time penalties for blocking and other driving mistakes, and while I can't say I've agreed with all their jury actions, it looks to me like NASCAR needs to consider something similar.  y1 Steve   
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« Reply #31 on: February 24, 2020, 04:28:55 PM »
I'm an active Sportsman drag racer on the NHRA Division level. I'm 70 and I started the Saturday night after I got my drivers license. I figure I got 10-15 years left in me. I know when I strap into that car I could have an accident at the speeds I go. It can be hazardous. I've seen some horrible accidents and a couple of deaths on the track in my time.

I have no idea who Ryan Newman is. But, then I don't know who played in the Super Bowl, either.  But, I'm extremely grateful that Mr. Newman survived to father those kids.

This tends to tick people off when I say it. Professional motorsports, or any professional sport, bore me. When to Fuel cars ran, I'd head for the bathroom. To each his own, I guess.

In my mind, the amount of money involved invites problems and overly risky behaviors in pro sports because of the pressure to win at all costs to satisfy the sponsor, for a driver to keep his sponsor so he could buy his ride, and the blood lust of the fans. In this country performance levels in motorsports is quickly out growing the race venues. It's probably time to slow the top classes down some.

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« Reply #32 on: February 25, 2020, 12:44:09 PM »
I'm an active Sportsman drag racer on the NHRA Division level. I'm 70 and I started the Saturday night after I got my drivers license. I figure I got 10-15 years left in me. I know when I strap into that car I could have an accident at the speeds I go. It can be hazardous. I've seen some horrible accidents and a couple of deaths on the track in my time.

I have no idea who Ryan Newman is. But, then I don't know who played in the Super Bowl, either.  But, I'm extremely grateful that Mr. Newman survived to father those kids.

This tends to tick people off when I say it. Professional motorsports, or any professional sport, bore me. When to Fuel cars ran, I'd head for the bathroom. To each his own, I guess.

In my mind, the amount of money involved invites problems and overly risky behaviors in pro sports because of the pressure to win at all costs to satisfy the sponsor, for a driver to keep his sponsor so he could buy his ride, and the blood lust of the fans. In this country performance levels in motorsports is quickly out growing the race venues. It's probably time to slow the top classes down some.

In the meantime, I'm getting a new trailer with some extra height so I can store a stunter on the ceiling and take it to the races with me.

And these days “no one watches car racing” (no one below a certain age, according to my three adult children).  They simply wait for the edited versions to show up on YouTube so they can watch compilations of the interesting portions (crashes included) without having to watch several hours of a bunch of guys just driving (oval track) or a bunch of races happening so fast the viewer can’t even see/tell what’s going on (drag racing).

Go figure...

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« Reply #33 on: February 25, 2020, 10:16:40 PM »
And these days “no one watches car racing” (no one below a certain age, according to my three adult children).  They simply wait for the edited versions to show up on YouTube so they can watch compilations of the interesting portions (crashes included) without having to watch several hours...

Bingo.

You nailed it. I no longer watch full races, full football games, etc. I got tired of giving hours of my life to sports by sitting and watching. I now hit the highlights on YouTube and off I go to do other things with my time that I prefer to do.

Exception: I will watch entire playoff games if the Chiefs are in it. (Being born and raised in KC, I'm a lifelong Chiefs fan.)

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« Reply #34 on: February 26, 2020, 03:07:43 PM »
Andre,

Same here!  H^^

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #35 on: February 26, 2020, 04:38:09 PM »
And these days “no one watches car racing” (no one below a certain age, according to my three adult children).  They simply wait for the edited versions to show up on YouTube so they can watch compilations of the interesting portions (crashes included) without having to watch several hours of a bunch of guys just driving (oval track) or a bunch of races happening so fast the viewer can’t even see/tell what’s going on (drag racing).

Go figure...

P-Dub

When I was a teenager, I couldn't understand how my Dad could watch an entire Pro Football game on Sunday afternoon.  I was much more likely to be out playing the game myself, or flying model airplanes.

But now … well, I wonder.  If you really know something about what's going on, isn't it easier - or, should I say, more rewarding?

I was involved in baseball/softball for many years, and coached football and wrestling.  I enjoy watching way too much football - not necessarily following the ball, but watching the line play.  Or the position and first reaction of defensive backs. Or guessing play calls ...

I'll never forget a fantastic catch Viking receiver Sammy White made in the '80s.  I saw him (1) leap off the wrong foot, (2) turn his head over the wrong shoulder, and (3) extend the wrong hand.  Thanks to incredible athletic ability, he made the catch.  I doubt many Sunday afternoon viewers caught those points though.

Many exciting wrestling matches end with scores like 2-1 or 3-1.  But, if you don't know what's happening, you might fall asleep.

Baseball can be as exciting as watching grass grow, unless you recognize why outfielders move in with a power hitter at the plate, or why the throw from the outfield went to that particular base.

I don't remember ever watching a race like Daytona for more than a few minutes until this year.  I have a neighbor who dabbles in RC and is a NASCAR fan; with him to explain some of the fine points, I found it fascinating, and recorded/watched almost the entire race.  And I'll watch more now.

In other words - isn't it a lot more interesting to spectate when you have a reasonable understanding of what it is you're watching?

Dennis

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #36 on: February 26, 2020, 10:01:53 PM »
Yup, I know what's going on in both football and auto racing. No issues there.

My issue was I became tired of those interests consuming my weekends for me.

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Re: ...Ryan Newman
« Reply #37 on: February 27, 2020, 03:13:51 AM »
Brett said   " they have made it so safe that you forget that it is intrinsically dangerous"

This is very true, and it applies not only to auto racing, but other sports as well.  A good example is football.  As head injuries would occur, the goal was obviously to try to avoid these by making the padding and helmets better and safer. The problem became that the safer you made it to hit something/someone with your protected head, the more inclined you are to do so, and as the average size and running speed of players continually increases, the force of these collisions overcomes the protective abilities of the equipment, with the result that we still continue to see serious head injury issues in football.  Put the gear of today on the players of 3 decades ago and you would, for a while anyway, see an almost complete lack of serious head injuries.

As things are made safer, people will take greater chances and push the envelope farther out. Its the nature of competitive sport. Competitive people want to win, they want to exceed, and they will often exercise anything they can to get an advantage and push it a little harder, counting on the safety gear to protect them should they miscalculate and push too hard. Its just how we humans operate.

Excellent analysis on the whole event Brett!

Gary
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