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Offline Bob Disharoon

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SPIDERWIRE
« on: July 02, 2007, 04:34:42 PM »
Ran across mention of this stuff on SSW and thought I would run it by this forum. I suppose my most pressing question is what size would be the equivalent of .15 by 60 and is the drag factor less than Stainless ?..thanks in advance, Bob

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Re: SPIDERWIRE
« Reply #1 on: July 02, 2007, 05:04:09 PM »
Maybe Phil Spillman can comment on his impressions of this line. He flew a profile set up by Roger S. that used this stuff. From what I heard it was a rather pleasant surprise.

The published break strengths are below. This prompts a question.... Why is a maximum break strength specified?


So 60lb. test would be a good approximation for .015" Dia steel lines.

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Re: SPIDERWIRE
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2007, 06:29:22 PM »
Hi Dick and All,

I did comment on this subject in my column of Control Line World in the past, not the present, issue! My observations were purely from a consumer's point of view in that this stuff is fantastic! I flew an FP .20 powered Sterling Mustang on 60' of Spider Wire with my own handle and was astounded by the IMMEDIATE respose I enjoyed on my old bird! Just to be on the safe side we did give my flight line a sturdy pull- probablly higher than necessary because we had no spring gage to reference! Personally it is solid and firm. No sag or lag in response to flight inputs. I have not as yet made up a set of my own lines with SW but I have purchased a spool of the stuff for sport flying.

This is not what you may have  wanted but its all that I can contribute at this point!

Phil Spillman 
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Re: SPIDERWIRE
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2007, 06:38:37 PM »
May I ask, what size is the Spider Wire?  Have fun, DOC Holliday
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Re: SPIDERWIRE
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2007, 06:03:00 AM »
Hi Dick and All,

I did comment on this subject in my column of Control Line World in the past, not the present, issue! My observations were purely from a consumer's point of view in that this stuff is fantastic! I flew an FP .20 powered Sterling Mustang on 60' of Spider Wire with my own handle and was astounded by the IMMEDIATE respose I enjoyed on my old bird! Just to be on the safe side we did give my flight line a sturdy pull- probablly higher than necessary because we had no spring gage to reference! Personally it is solid and firm. No sag or lag in response to flight inputs. I have not as yet made up a set of my own lines with SW but I have purchased a spool of the stuff for sport flying.

This is not what you may have  wanted but its all that I can contribute at this point!

Phil Spillman 

Thanks Phil, that's pretty much how I heard it from Gary. By the way, rumor has it that all the cutting and pasting on your old body (and I do mean old!  <=  ) seems to be working....glad to hear it.
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Re: SPIDERWIRE
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2007, 09:56:03 AM »
As some background from what I've been able to determine, these high performance lines are all made from what is called gel-spun high density polyethylene.  Honeywell is the manufacturer in the US.  Dyneema is the major manufacturer in Europe.  I believe they are the only two suppliers because it is a patented, licensed technology.

In various informal tests the Spectra lines are much less likely to get damaged in ordinary handling and stand up much better to use.  They are available, as fishing line, in many different diameters and strength ratings.  All of the brands I've tested can be made into useable lines simply by tying a loop with an overhand knot.  The strength is very uniformly half, or slightly less, of the rated strength.  The lines break either at the knot, or a couple inches away.  According to the kite flyers, there are various techniques, such as putting a sleeve of other material over the line, and possibly using certain types of knots, that will get a higher breaking strength.

Just for comparison purposes, .018 stainless steel lines break at almost exactly 50 lb. pull.  They always break at the termination, whether it is wrapped, or crimped, or they break at a previously kinked spot in the middle of the lines.  100 lb. Spectra fishing line(Power Pro brand), has a diameter of about .0181 in.(it's a bit hard to measure exactly since the line is soft).  With simple knot terminations it breaks at 45-47 lb.  The Spectra weighs around 5 gr. for a 52.25 ft. set, 018 steel weighs 31 gr.

In a couple simple abrasion tests, hanging a 15 lb weight from line and rubbing across it with another line stretched to 10 lb. or so on a bow, the 100 lb Spectra held up to 200 1 ft. strokes.  018 Stainless steel held up to 50 strokes under similar test conditions.  We've done quite a bit of combat flying using 30 lb. Spectra, which is the same strength as .012 steel lines.  The steel lines broke/kinked/tangled at about 10 times the rate of the Spectra lines.  In about 30 matches none of the Spectra lines were damaged, but 3 sets of steel lines were either broken, kinked, or otherwise damaged in line tangles.  However, when I ran the abrasion test above, using steel wire on the bow against the Spectra line, the Spectra only held up for 10 or so strokes, which is at odds with the flying tests.

Bottom line is that you can use the same diameter Spectra as stainless steel line.  Figure the fishing line will break at half the rated strength.  Major brands are Tuf-Line, Power Pro, and Spiderwire.
Line diameter conversions:
15 lb TUF- Line XP = 4 lb mono
20 lb TUF- Line XP = 6 lb mono
30 lb TUF- Line XP = 8 lb mono= .26mm=.010 in.
50 lb TUF- Line XP = 12 lb mono= .31mm=.012in  25 lb. in stainless
65 lb TUF- Line XP = 16 lb mono= .37 mm= .014 in.
80 lb TUF- Line XP = 18 lb mono=.38 mm= .0153 in   40 lb. in stainless
100 lb TUF- Line XP = 20 lb mono= .40 mm=.0157in. 
130 lb TUF- Line XP = 30 lb mono= .52 nn= .020 in.   .018 stainless breaks at about 50 lb.
150 lb TUF- Line XP = 40 lb mono
200 lb TUF- Line XP = 50 lb mono

the diameters vary slightly from manufacturer to manufacturer.  These mono diameters came from Momoi.

Terminations:
The easiest is to fold the line over and tie a double overhand knot in it- make an overhand knot and then wrap the line through a second time.  Spit on it and pull on the loop to work it down into a smooth knot.  The double overhand knot is a bit stronger than a single overhand knot.

The other way is to tie the line to a clip using a blood knot.  Look it up on google, it is too hard to describe, but not hard to do.

I've also tried using a crimp tube, eyelet, and a short piece of plastic wire insulation.  This is looking very promising but will take some more testing.  Using two pieces of plastic tubing over the line and then putting both of them in the crimp seems to be the best way.  The free end of the line has to be tied into a mulitiwrap stop knot, otherwise the Spectra will just slide right out no matter how you crimp it.  This termination looks like it will hit 70-75% of the rated breaking strength.
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Re: SPIDERWIRE
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2007, 12:04:05 PM »
The fishing knot called "Palomar knot" works well with Spiderwire, tied onto a line connector. Standard knots tend to either slip, or else the line cuts itself, depending on the knot.
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Re: SPIDERWIRE
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2007, 02:11:09 PM »
This is the knot I have used for over 30yrs of fishing in the south. Works real well and will not cut on itself.

http://www.fish4fun.com/TrileneKnot.htm

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Re: SPIDERWIRE
« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2007, 08:21:40 PM »
Phil,   thanks for the info.  May try to find some when I get home next week.   Have fun,  DOC Holliday
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