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Reno on TV
« on: February 23, 2016, 09:12:50 PM »
 The 2015 Reno National Championship Air Races are supposed to be aired on NBC Sunday March 27th at 12:00 noon Pacific Time. And no, this is not the weenie Red Bull event they call "Air Racing", this is the REAL DEAL. I know what I'll be doing on Easter!  y1

 
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2016, 09:19:17 PM »
so repost this closer to the date so those of us with less active memories will remember to record it
thanks
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2016, 09:23:14 PM »

 Will do Mark, if I remember.  ;D
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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2016, 10:40:18 PM »
Pin it to the top.
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2016, 10:15:17 AM »
Yea, "Red Bull" racing is not racing. Aerobatic, yes. Perhaps Time Trials, but not racing.
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2016, 11:02:00 AM »
I was fortunate enough to be there.  I'm glad they are airing it.  Reno needs some publicity.

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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2016, 09:17:22 PM »
 SUNDAY SUNDAY SUNDAY! o2oP

 NOTE: The airing network is NBCSP, not the regular NBC.
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2016, 11:30:24 AM »
Here in my area on Google Fiber it is Mar 27, on CH 203 NBCSNHD from 02:00 - 03:00PM.  I now have it set to record.  Thanks
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2016, 01:05:11 PM »
Thanks guys,
I'll get Laura to record it.
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2016, 01:37:56 PM »
Mine is all set to record as well,, but an hour,, sheesh, I was hoping for a couple hours worth at least
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2016, 02:00:52 PM »
12:00noon on Sunday on NBCSP (channel 160 for me). Cool
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2016, 08:40:38 AM »
Wish I could watch, it's not listed in my area HB~>.

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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2016, 10:08:22 AM »
Yea, "Red Bull" racing is not racing. Aerobatic, yes. Perhaps Time Trials, but not racing.

 i am glad someone else agree;s ( not Racing )
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2016, 04:18:46 PM »

 That was really good Steve, thanks! y1
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #15 on: March 27, 2016, 04:06:56 PM »
That was not done very well.  A blind squirrel gets an occasional acorn, but that was just poorly produced.
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #16 on: March 27, 2016, 05:45:28 PM »

 Agreed. I was hoping for better, but got about what I expected. At least it got some airtime. D>K
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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2016, 07:22:09 PM »
While my previous Grumman career influences my support of Rare Bear, I was pleased to see "Hoot" win the event.
I was fortunate to attend a luncheon a year ago where "Hoot" was the guest speaker.
Both "Hoot" and I arrived about 30 minutes before anyone else. We had a great one on one conversation that included his Navy career (F-14's :-) ), his NASA shuttle experiences , his home built aircraft and his model airplanes. He is a great guy and a fantastic speaker. We hope to have him return and fly with us at our field someday.

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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2016, 04:26:10 PM »
I saw it last night after I came home from work.
I wonder what the other guys thought would be better than what I saw?
Even though it was short and only covered three Classes, I thought it was produced well and the announcers being NBC instead of the pap spouting live show announcers at the races made it a pretty enjoyable program.
What would you guys look for that would've made it better?
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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2016, 08:02:12 PM »
I would have liked to see Formula One, And Biplanes, with a lot less Jets.  In the big iron, there are only three competitive planes in Gold.  I would have also like a Mike setup that actually got the sounds of what 500 mph sounds like when you are close, instead of the crowd noise.
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2016, 08:53:42 PM »
No argument there, Robert. Especially since I was a Biplane racer. I noticed that if the sound was up on surround sound that those sounds are there on that broadcast. My wife asked me what it was about the Jets that made them seem slower than the Unlimiteds, I said that it's because they're like an appliance. Flip the switch and they run 'til you flip it off.
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2016, 09:00:19 PM »
Yea, I watched it. Thought the coverage sucked. Like the rest, I would like to have actually seen a whole race and seen the Formula One and Bi-Plane. I suppose that with only an hour, they did what they did, but they clearly didn't know how to cover it. But better than nothing.
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2016, 09:12:15 PM »
My wife asked me what it was about the Jets that made them seem slower than the Unlimiteds, I said that it's because they're like an appliance. Flip the switch and they run 'til you flip it off.
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 I actually thought the sounds were pretty good, including the noticeable "shriek" as the Unlimiteds go by the home pylon that you only get to hear at Reno. Reno is the only place the big motors ever get wound that tight anymore, it's an awesome thing to hear and witness. The event is definitely a tough one to fully capture and produce though, a lot like an NHRA National, you just have to be there to really get it all.

 I'm going to go back and watch it again but one thing that turned me off early on was one of the broadcast announcers. I'm not sure, but the one sounded just like a certain announcer that's at the races, the "Baaad Boys of Air Racing" guy. I forget his name but the times I've attended Reno I thought the guy stunk.
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2016, 09:15:34 PM »
Hey Wayne,  I haven't been in over 10 years. When 3 years in a row at one time. It's an experience.
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2016, 09:22:53 PM »
Hey Wayne,  I haven't been in over 10 years. When 3 years in a row at one time. It's an experience.

 I'd go every year if I could, I've only been that fortunate twice though, '08 and '12.

 Having wanted to attend since I was a kid and first saw it on Wide World of Sports, and drooling over the Reno issue of Air Classics every year, the first time I actually walked onto Stead I damn near had to stop and kiss the ground. A lot of incredibly cool history.  BW@
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« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2016, 12:16:14 PM »
Brought back memories of the year they ran at the old Naval Air Station, before the money grubbers took over the base.   Watching the bog birds come down that straight away caused goose bumps.   They could have had more show instead of pushing the resort areas I think.  Still fun to watch how low it seems they get.  I guess at 400+ mph the thermals don't buffet them much.  I enjoyed what there was of it.
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« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2016, 01:32:56 PM »
Brought back memories of the year they ran at the old Naval Air Station, before the money grubbers took over the base.   Watching the bog birds come down that straight away caused goose bumps.   They could have had more show instead of pushing the resort areas I think.  Still fun to watch how low it seems they get.  I guess at 400+ mph the thermals don't buffet them much.  I enjoyed what there was of it.

That was 1993 John,
Dan McEntee and I went for the weekend and had a good time. That was a short course but still Strega won at 425 mph. Mickey Rupp blew his engine and landed his Mustang dead stick nicely. The Coverage was really good on that race but I found it by chance and no one saw it again. Speed Channel handled it and it could've been the start of a very good thing for pylon racing in the US. It was kind of sad because the guy that put it on did a really good job and tried hard to convert the old guard thinking of the pilots into starting a series like NASCAR and he the guy making the deals like Bill France. Everyone signed on at a pilot's meeting which was kind of a business meeting for the guy putting it on to bring these grocery stores and casinos onboard as sponsors. Then Lyle Shelton came into the bar that night went from table to table, converting each pilot's vote to follow the fraudster that put on the Phoenix 500. Everyone got show money and paid the promised prize money from sponsors at Olathe, but Tiger had to send in muscle to get his dough in Phoenix. Cash from the gate before they left, Tiger style. Always loved that guy's style. Shelton got stiffed. So did everyone else.

Well, as far as I can tell that was the end of air racing, no series, no other races except Reno. And the way those running Reno kept it a secret for so long, hiding it from the outside world, coverage depleting to nothing on TV, and keeping vendors from selling unless the RARA got their "cut" was so crippling to the races as a whole, that the bigger race is a foonote now.
Go while you can, there will be a day when it's been cancelled and there will be no more. It's already on a shoestring after the stupid Leeward crash (don't get me started) and the insurance costs that were high before are now ridiculous. For both race promoters and participants.

I liked the coverage the other night, but to get it the RARA banned all live streaming and that is what keeps air racing in the footnote category. It should be called the Vintage Race Championships, because as much as the Sport Class is holding up the technology banner it's just a bunch of old guys running it with old designs from the olden days and they do not know how to promote what could've been a promising and well liked and exciting event.They've been restricting technology since the 60's and since I was there back then too remember the rules, designs and promotions through 4, no 5 decades that have gotten it to the place it is today.


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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #27 on: March 29, 2016, 02:32:51 PM »
Reno Air Race  progress inhibitors, a thumbnail sketch...

Robert Cumberford, he designed a Biplane that fit the class rules, 290 Cu In max, 75 square feet of area, open cockpit. He designed a beautiful little negative stagger biplane with a Ford 289 on a belt driven reduction drive for a four bladed prop. No, the group said, that's not what we want and changed the rules to Lycoming 290 series engines.
Lee Mahoney came with a beautiful O-290 powered all metal negative staggered biplane with cantilever wings and no cabane struts. No, you have to have cabane struts and interplane struts and he was relegated to last place. it is Sorceress. Later he sold it and that pilot successfully got it accepted and several other racers were built on Midget Mustang fuselages and one really cool airplane called hot Kanary, but eventually they were all banned by requiring cabanes again.
Richard Minges designed a small Unlimited in the early 70's with a Ranger inverted V-12 770 Cu In engine with turbos to race, he was killed in a mid air with other T-6's during a race but the small Unlimited grew with John Parker's line of small designs and then the Pond racer set the world on it's ear with it's 401 mph qualifying speed on 500 hp. It unfortunately crashed but the next guy with a plan was David Rose, with his Biplane already banned by rewriting the rules requiring his sesquiplane wing's area to be redistributed to equal on both planes (he continued to win, anyway), putting forth a design for a small unlimited that so incensed the Unlimited crowd (read Class President Art Vance that only had a stock Mustang and never even ran water injection so this holding more weight that it is really just a Warbird Race) that the rules were changed to introduce a minimum weight requirement to make any low horsepower, lightweight airplane uncompetitive and now with this requirement, illegal.

The Sport Class, neat and new. In 1998 it was introduced and became a hit all at once. I signed up for the first Pylon Racing School just to get involved in this high powered F1 class and I saw huge potential and promise. Oh no, Chris. This will not be, you are so wrong. This is going to be the already established home made kit plane class. New designs need not apply. So much so wee the restrictions that it took the likes of Jon and Tricia Sharp to come up with a legal kit that was a real competitive racer and their 5 kits sold at fiesale price of $129,000 were so expensive I couldn't compete. After Jon and Tricia had 5 years and who knows how much dough extracted from their lives they gave up and retired from racing about the time that the rules were finally, and much too late because a lot of the momentum was gone, for single seat, homebuilt racers of 1,000 cubic inch.

Far too late for my one off carbon racer, using a cowling and nacelle mold from another project and a dozen Lycoming GO-435 surplus engines from DM bought for pennies on the dollar pumped up by my genious fabricator with a GM 7-61 blower on a belt drive. My small time deal needed a rules interpretation that allowed huge leeway, and we could've made it a two seater, with the definition of a kit as a 3-view and a bucket of resin. The class pitted racers against cruiser companies that had produced kits to the masses for 20 years before, making it damn near impossible for a new airplane that was a racer to be created. They essentially killed Tommy Rose (control linkage failure in approved kit provided part) and ruined a bunch of Questaire Ventures by sticking to forcing multi-seat cross country cruisers into pylon racers (landing accidents from it's weird little landing gear and the rough and unmaintained runways at Stead). Too bad, I loved Tommy and he was one of the big reasons Laura went to the races. Poor Jon and tricia, all of that effort for little after they achieved their personal goals of winning and setting the records they did that still stand today, but I'm sure they saw the class growing into much more knowing Jon's original idea being the Grand Prix Class.

But that's just me, one guys opinion through one set of eyes...

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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2016, 02:48:07 PM »
Oh, I forgot one of the earliest of political meddling with a racing class. Pope Paul Poberezny, the patron saint of homebuilding. Unless you weren't someone he liked, like Chicagoan turned Californian Vernon Payne. The Knight Twister was designed and published in 1929 as a homebuilt airplane for the masses. Cheap, small, powered by small, low horsepower engines. By the 50's the airplane's design had morphed into a cute little tiny biplane with cantilever wings and tail and 55 square foot area for high speed cruise and low weight for good landing speeds around 65 mph. The airplane was so small, and such had large controls allowing aerobatics at will (like a Pitts Special only smaller), but it was so "quick" and cheap it often fell into the hands of those that did not have the ability to think through the hows and whys of flying it well and safely. Much like those in any endevour that go out to do something without much thought, many of these small airplane pilots didn't appreciate the qualities of a tiny airplane's handling and the safety record of the Knight Twister suffered by being bought and flown by overfaced pilots, sometimes to their deaths.
The Pope was on the air race board in the early years, and helped put together the rules for the Biplane class. He was not a friend of abrasive Vernon Payne and the more people piled in Knight Twisters the more the Pope didn't like them, because it was a perceived black eye to the Pope's new fledgling EAA, one can surmise. So after the the 1,2,3 finish of the Knight Twisters in 1964, and the hatred of the Pope against the little bipes, he drew up a new rules requiring 75 square feet of wing area, effectively eliminating the Knight Twister design from the class. Waht were guys going to do with their little 55 sq ft winged airplanes now?
Not to be outdone, Vernon Payne designed yet another evolution of the airplane called the Imperial Knight Twister and designed the wings specifically for the Biplane Class rules of 75 square Feet by designing them to 76 square feet. But, it took all of the momentum out of the Knight Twister design's appeal and it wasn't until 1971 that an Imperial Knight Twister flew in the races. The only one as well, Don Fairbanks ship was competitive throughout the years but Pope Paul Poberezny had done the damage long before by writing rules to eliminate competitive airplanes and was probably responsible for the design's realitive obscurity. Thanks Paul.
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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2016, 02:49:13 PM »
Oh, I forgot to mention one should look up the cute little biplane Paul designed, the EAA Biplane... around 1964...
Throughout the 60's and 70's these became part and parcel to the Biplane Class, as also rans and back markers. But I bet the airplanes legality in the class allowed many more sales of plans and kits for the EAA and Paul Poberezny.
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« Reply #30 on: March 29, 2016, 05:07:52 PM »
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« Reply #31 on: March 30, 2016, 12:22:47 AM »
Unfortunately Precious Metal suffered an engine fire on its way to Reno otherwise it would have been a 4 plane shootout and Czech Mate wasn't in the field either.  Bummer, that little plane was cookin in 2014.  September Fury is still sitting in hangar with a blown corn cob motor from 2014 Qualifying,  Hoot was at the controls.  So that would put the Unlimiteds up to 6 plane shootout.  If all were to make the show.  Of course the other heavy hitter was the Ghost which went into the ramp in 2011.  To bad Dago Red couldn't make a return to Reno but from what I hear it was stripped down for a complete rebuild then Repo'd and been sitting in pieces somewhere ever since.  Luckily Tsunami is being rebuilt so maybe in a couple years it will re-debut. I doubt we will ever see Shockwave get finished though.  Would be an awesome plane though.  Interesting incident happened with Dreadnought a year or so ago.  It clipped a Cessna Skyhawk on a photo pass and didn't even notice it.  Flew back to its home base and landed unscathed.  The Cessna ended up wadded up in the San Pablo Bay in California.   Big Iron warbird vs Paper airplane pretty much.

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« Reply #32 on: March 30, 2016, 07:07:05 PM »
 
 Just to clarify "September Fury" uses a hopped up 3350, it's the four row 4360 that was nicknamed the "corncob".
 Sanders' "Dreadnought" still runs the 4360 along with the "Race 57" F2G Corsair. I think they're the only two corncobs flying today. Chuck Greenhill's "Furias" Sea Fury had one in it too but the aircraft suffered a L/G failure during Reno qualifying a year or two ago. Not sure we'll ever see that one back in race form, I think Chuck may even have sold it and it's currently sitting in a resto shop. Too bad there, "Furias" was freshly redone when Chuck brought it to Reno and the plane had a great racing history.
 Yeah, too bad too about PM and "Czech-Mate", a couple of great planes that were missing this year. I'm not sure where "Steadfast" and the Whiteside gang went either, but that's another good team. I do think we'll see PM again, I just hope they can get it together before Reno goes away.
 
 I very highly doubt that we'll ever see "Tsunami" in the air again, in fact I'd bet on that one. y1
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« Reply #33 on: March 30, 2016, 07:29:24 PM »
I very highly doubt that we'll ever see Tsunami in the air again, in fact I'd bet on that one. y1

Agreed Wayne, pipe dream by those involved for sure.
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« Reply #34 on: March 30, 2016, 08:23:44 PM »

<snip>
An interesting incident happened with Dreadnought a year or so ago.  It clipped a Cessna Skyhawk on a photo pass and didn't even notice it.  Flew back to its home base and landed unscathed.  The Cessna ended up wadded up in the San Pablo Bay in California.   Big Iron warbird vs Paper airplane pretty much.

What actually happened with the Dreadnought/Cessna 210E was that the Cessna (also owned by Sanders) was flying a photo formation with Dreadnought and crossed over and hit the Dreadnought's horizontal and vertical tail and it was very definitely noticed by the pilot of the Dreadnought, who elected to fly home to Ione, California to better assess the damage in its home shop.  The empennage section of the Dreadnought did have damage, and was not "unscathed."  The Cessna did, in fact, go into the bay and was pretty much wadded up.
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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2016, 09:14:50 PM »
If anyone is interested in stepping up their flying experiences, Strega is for sale:

http://www.platinumfighters.com/#!strega/c2113

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.

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Re: Reno on TV
« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2016, 01:44:24 AM »
It's for sale every year.
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