Received Baxter plans that are not full scale

[Dave Nyce]

I bought several short kits from Lazer Works.  Then bought Baxter plans for them from Bob Mears (who now sells the Baxter plans).  Problem is, the Super Satan and PDQ Circus King are both supposed to have 40 inch wingspans, but the plans for each actually measure 44 inches.  The plans were each printed at 110% of full size.  I thought the "full size" plan was supposed to allow me to build over the plan.  This also means that the ribs, fuselage, etc., are all also printed at 110%.  Isn't it normal for a full size plan to be the same size as the actual model?

[Avaiojet]

I bought several short kits from Lazer Works.  Then bought Baxter plans for them from Bob Mears (who now sells the Baxter plans).  Problem is, the Super Satan and PDQ Circus King are both supposed to have 40 inch wingspans, but the plans for each actually measure 44 inches.  The plans were each printed at 110% of full size.  I thought the "full size" plan was supposed to allow me to build over the plan.  This also means that the ribs, fuselage, etc., are all also printed at 110%.  Isn't it normal for a full size plan to be the same size as the actual model?

Take the plans to your local Office Depot or something similar like Kinkos and have them printed to the size you need.

They usually don't charge for incorrect prints.

I've had plans enlarged before but never reduced in size. still no big deal.

Good luck with your build.

[Dave Nyce]

I emailed Bob Mears, but haven't heard back yet. I'm just wondering if I am correct to expect full size plans to be the actual size of the model.

[BillP]

Yes, full scale/full size plans are drawn to 1:1 scale...40" ws plane is 40" on the plans. Yours is probably an operator error when setting up to copy.

[Dennis Leonhardi]

I bought several short kits from Lazer Works.  Then bought Baxter plans for them from Bob Mears (who now sells the Baxter plans).  Problem is, the Super Satan and PDQ Circus King are both supposed to have 40 inch wingspans, but the plans for each actually measure 44 inches.  The plans were each printed at 110% of full size.  I thought the "full size" plan was supposed to allow me to build over the plan.  This also means that the ribs, fuselage, etc., are all also printed at 110%.  Isn't it normal for a full size plan to be the same size as the actual model?

Yes Dave, you are correct.  An FYI for readers: I have more than 250 plans in pdf form, and can say from experience - there are a lot of plans floating around the internet that are NOT actual size.  I spend a LOT of time adjusting the scale when necessary, but obviously that hasn't been done with many of the plans available.

That said, I have purchased a few plans from Barry Baxter and found them to be mostly excellent.  I'm sure Bob Mears will rectify the situation, and it's great that he is continuing the service.  As has been stated, it's probably just a case of "stuff happens".

I'd love to take in another Huntersville contest one of the days, and would surely have to get together with you to compare notes on the last 14 years!


Dennis

PS: Eddie does nice work, doesn't he!?!

[Dennis Adamisin]

I have had plans in PDF files that printed incorrectly because PDF print commands includes scaling to fit the page.  I drew some plans of my own and had a devil of a time sorting out the commands, and setting the proper size border in my files - eventually got it to work.  BTW I now include a scale on the plan so that I can instantly determine whether the plan printed correctly while I am still at the print shop.


My GUESS is that Barry Baxter had control of his files and knew who was printing them so he could control the output.  When Bob Mears took over Barry's plans business maybe he still has to work the proper print settings with his printer?

[BillP]

Lots of people scale up dwgs to make larger ships. It's possible the plans were "saved" in a different scale than originally drawn and the print operator set to print at 100%. The copy machine will print whatever dimension the dwg is. I presume most of these plans were drawn on cad and converted to pdf. Its an easy fix on Autocad to convert an out of scale dwg back to 1:1 scale and I imagine most cad programs can do it too. Then there is "print to fit" and that makes whatever scale the paper is.

[Dave Nyce]

The real problem is that I have a short kit from Lazer-works that says it is based on the Baxter plan.  But the Baxter plan is 110% of the size of the laser cut parts, so the plan can't be used to help place the parts when building.  Where can I get a digital file of the PDQ Circus King so I can take it to a local copy store to have it printed to a scale to match my parts with a 40" wing span?  I don't see the PDQ Circus King listed on Outerzone.

Thanks

Dave

[Dennis Leonhardi]

Check your emails, Dave.

Dennis

[Peter in Fairfax, VA]

Dave,

If you request that the local print shop photocopy the plan you have at 91%, you should be back at the correct size.  e.g. 100/110 -> .91 or .9091

You're right that a separate digital file would work, but the copier will create its own file for you.  If the print shop operator knows his gear and has a decent rig, it's a quick job.

best,

Peter

[Tom Luciano]

Dave,
  Bob is a great guy. I think the email he has set up for the plan services must not be a primary account and doesn't check it much. He frequents the combat section here or, the MACA facebook page.

  If you cant get straightened out with the SS plan. I have an original set I can have copied to PDF for you. BTW, the laser works short kit is superb.

Best,
Tom

[BillP]

Dave,
  Bob is a great guy. I think the email he has set up for the plan services must not be a primary account and doesn't check it much. He frequents the combat section here or, the MACA facebook page.

  If you cant get straightened out with the SS plan. I have an original set I can have copied to PDF for you. BTW, the laser works short kit is superb.

Best,
Tom

You may want to PM him. I tried to order plans and his web site contact link was broken. He answered my PM and said it was fixed but it still didn't work for me.

[Fredvon4]

From combat section and contest flier

BTW....phone is 806 778 5465

https://stunthanger.com/smf/combat/james-mears-memorial-combat-bash-51183/


Call Bobby I assure you he will make it right