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RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« on: May 23, 2011, 09:43:50 PM »
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/RC_Pilot_Blamed_In_Collision_204696-1.html


My guess that it is this incident, which was bound happen sooner or later, that has sparked the Notice of Proposed Rulemaking by the FAA. This has predictably had the AMA in a state of high twit since the R/C community and especially the big boys and big planes are so much of their bread and butter.

As the liability fallout spreads from one of these incidents, what will be the prospects for the members?  Perhaps it's time to have a general discussion of a replacement governing body for U/C.  PAMPA might provide the seed for such a thing if it can be expanded to include all the other forms of U/C besides stunt.  The principle thing that the AMA provides the U/C community is liability coverage for sanctioned events and for the individual flier.  Such coverage is not the exclusive province of the AMA.

I have no particular quarrel with the AMA, but do not want to be caught up in a situation where we (we being the U/C community) can't hold a contest because we can no longer afford the insurance.

BTW, I once was flying an IMAC model in Tucson when a flight of three MH-54s came over the field at low altitude (4-500 feet AGL).  They were easy to hear and see and I and a couple of other fliers quickly got out of the way.  The potential for trouble was there, the helos never deviated from their course.

I'm not making a rant, at least don't think so, but it may give us something to talk about besides the BOM.

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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2011, 10:14:28 PM »
I've certainly seen some RC fliers that don't have the brains that God gave a turnip. Granted that some CL flier aren't any brighter but the potential for disaster is usually lower (baring the idiot that flies at school yard and hits a kid. Never seen it happen but hey, some guys don't use many brain cells.

I agree that we may get stuck with finding an alternative insurance source and a national organization may be the way to do that. The AMA has long since moved on from what most of us feel is modeling. It's worth a discussion.
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2011, 10:28:11 PM »
 I just watched the video clip. Looks like a pair of very irresponsible pilots to me, both the R/C and the full scale guy. Also at fault is whoever was supposedly controlling the airfield, if anyone was.

 Whatever the case, it's an incredibly stupid incident and I hope none of us C/Ler's end up paying for these types of actions.
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #3 on: May 24, 2011, 12:30:24 AM »
I find the 'M' in 'IMAC' profoundly ironic.  The biggest RC planes I've ever flown have had 25's in them -- and old OS 25 S's, at that.  When the airplanes are getting large enough that you may as well put in a seat for a pilot, things are getting absurd.

IMAC should change their name to IRLMAC -- "International Really Large Model Aerobatics Club".
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #4 on: May 24, 2011, 05:40:47 AM »
Radio Control people chronically overestimate their piloting skills, which are all that stands between disaster and a good day of flying.  The fatal crash at Shea Stadium underlined the folly of assuming a whole club had the right stuff to fly in a packed football stadium. 

According to this article, the full size pilot (like the football fans) was where he belonged.  The RC plane strayed over the line.  A similar happened last week when a "park flyer" crashed two streets outside the park, crashing "harmlessly" into a driveway.

Control Line flyers, by the way of contrast, ASSUME THE CRASH and keep the circle clear.    Like many others, I won't surprised if other modelers, even including indoor rubber, take some heat for this foolishness.

People who fly real airplanes and/or ride motorcycles, don't mind risking their own lives.  RC flyers don't mind risking the life of everybody within range, which can be quite a few.
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #5 on: May 24, 2011, 07:01:35 AM »
Unfortunately, our AMA spends most of its time on Giant aircraft, Jets, and "over the horizon" issues with the FAA and other Government regulatory agencies.....
So far they have been successful in fending off threats to prohibit ALL model flying activities, but that position seems to be more tenuous every day.
Dave Mathewson is well aware that control line flying is nowhere near either free flight or radio, and efforts to lump all model aircraft activities into the same pool have succeeded, much to their credit.
Many perceive the AMA as an enemy, but they are doing  a pretty good job!

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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2011, 08:01:08 AM »
I just watched the video clip. Looks like a pair of very irresponsible pilots to me, both the R/C and the full scale guy. Also at fault is whoever was supposedly controlling the airfield, if anyone was.

 Whatever the case, it's an incredibly stupid incident and I hope none of us C/Ler's end up paying for these types of actions.



I have to agree with you there, what the heck were these guys thinking!!!?
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #7 on: May 24, 2011, 08:26:37 AM »
When Richards-Gebaur Air Base was still active there used to be an airshow once a year.   The control line modellers were always asked to do some flying.  We had an area they roped off for us to use.  One circle was a paved area with a grass circle next to it.  When time for the air show to begin we shut down flying.  Amazing how many spectators can't read or follow orders.  We had to be on alert all the time as they could not read or ignored the rope barriers and signs.  Then the last year we show up to fly after almost a decade of doing the show we were told not to even think about flying as the radio control people were doing the show.  Never went back again.H^^
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2011, 09:03:50 AM »
John,   

   The best way to kill your idea of a new organization to control C/L activities is for me to make this post and agree with you.

That said;
 We would have to suffer a new set of rules based on today's needs.
A new set of Bylaws.
A different venue for the CL Nats,
A new insurance.
I doubt PAMPA will support anything like this. They like it as is.
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2011, 09:10:36 AM »
A small group of RC pilots are always going to be loose cannons no matter what.  I remember the Blue Angels ground crew administering some street justice to a renegade RC pilot at the '79 Willow Grove airshow after he ripple fired his "display" rockets off his Kaos 60 directly into the Angels parked A-4s.  At least that problem was taken care of at the grassroots level and didn't involve the NTSB.  R/C demos were canned at the airshow but events later that day caused the whole airshow to be canned and the RC plane incident was forgotten.
  In more modern times a quick glance at Youtube will show that some people are not going to act sensibly, whether with their RC plane, skateboard, firecrackers, or whatever.
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2011, 10:28:20 AM »
My point was not to condemn one group of modelers over another. What I was trying to point out is that there is a potential for the U/C community to be paying a share of the insurance/liability freight for the larger RC community.  I think that there is a possibility given the litigious society we live in that a multi-hundred thousand dollar award could easily be found against the AMA. The AMA would certainly look to the whole membership to pay up for the inevitable insurance increases to follow.

An alternate route would be for the AMA to segregate the costs of insurance based on the potential for public mishap.  I think a guy flying Peanut scale rubber models has less potential for harm that fast combat models, etc.  Instead, I suspect (but do not know) that we are all paying into the same pot.

This thread will likely (inevitably) involve discussion of the politics of the various organizations in the model arena.  I suggest that those discussions be tempered with the goal of offering solutions and not diatribes.

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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #11 on: May 24, 2011, 11:04:08 AM »
I have to agree with some of the other comments, both pilots were to blame in one way or another! If the full size pilot couldn't see a damn great model like that, then he should have his eyes tested. He had at least 4-5 seconds to pull up out of harms way, then land and chew the R/C pilot out! What is it with this hovering of fixed wing aircraft? We have blokes who insist on doing it in our club, what's the point? Get a bloody helicopter for crying out loud >:(

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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #12 on: May 24, 2011, 11:09:16 AM »
An R/C club that I am a member of frequently flies form a minor "full size" runway, with no local controller. The requirement is that they must always monitor an aviation radio tuned to the assigned frequency.

Aircraft that want to land there must make a call on that frequency, and fly a "proper" landing pattern, so they see if there's any obstructions. They don't always do either... R/C fliers can see if someone is in the pattern but the worst I've heard was a twin engined aircraft that did a straight in approach for a touch and go without a word on the radio.

A couple of times a year, the field is used for model aircraft contests and closed for "full size" use. A NOTAM is put out and big white "X" markings laid down at the ends of the runway. I was there just a spectator when a Cessna 172 landed there regardless of the NOTAM and the markings.
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #13 on: May 24, 2011, 12:21:48 PM »
Face it guys, when it comes to models vs full scale, full scale will always have right of way, no if's ands or buts. The guy in the aircraft can loose thier life the RC'r looses an model airplane. There is no point on debating blame. The modeler will always be at fault.

On the other front 6 figure lawsuits are the realm of the 60's. Today it starts at 7 figures and negotiated from there. Considering that RC models today can have lawn mower sized engines in them or Multiple Turbo fans and be the size of a compact car, the severity of potential accidents skyrockets. Just one of these goes through a cockpit window or worse sucked into a engine of a commercial or business jet and the liability is in the hundreds of millions.

Or even if a smaller private aircraft ends up crashing into a populated area like a big box store or shopping mall.

As I said elsewhere, The insurance carriers have been ignorant up till now. It's only a matter of time. Can't really sue the pilot for a bird strike or some other act of god. But a irresponsible RC pilot, that's a whole other story.
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2011, 12:45:03 PM »
While I think PAMPA might be one of the building blocks of a new National CL Association, we've spent the last five or so years recovering from the last debacle where a new PAMPA President decided to ignore the PAMPA Charter and change it to encompass all CL events. The Charter is very specific about the intent of PAMPA...CL Stunt. It was ignored. Let's don't go there.  

I don't think there would be any opposition to bringing all the separate CL (and FF) SIGs under one tent (keeping them as individual entities). However,  as long as AMA has the partnership with the National Aero Association, they have a lot of muscle with anybody halfway interested in any of the World Champ programs. It's not likely the NAA would be interested in dealing with AMA for R/C and another group for CL/FF.  The right thing to do would be to make the ones that fly the dangerous stuff pay a dues "surcharge" to increase their insurance coverage.  H^^ Steve  
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« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2011, 01:07:58 PM »
Face it guys, when it comes to models vs full scale, full scale will always have right of way, no if's ands or buts. The guy in the aircraft can loose thier life the RC'r looses an model airplane. There is no point on debating blame. The modeler will always be at fault.
I agree that the full scale aircraft has right of way, regardless of how many laws, rules and procedures the full scale pilot may be violating.

BUT

If something happens while the full scale pilot is violating laws, rules and procedures - or the modeler reports the aircraft - all the laws, rules and procedures the full scale pilot may have been violating will come up in the enquiry or trial.
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #16 on: May 24, 2011, 03:42:02 PM »
While I think PAMPA might be one of the building blocks of a new National CL Association, we've spent the last five or so years recovering from the last debacle where a new PAMPA President decided to ignore the PAMPA Charter and change it to encompass all CL events. The Charter is very specific about the intent of PAMPA...CL Stunt. It was ignored. Let's don't go there.  

I don't think there would be any opposition to bringing all the separate CL (and FF) SIGs under one tent (keeping them as individual entities). However,  as long as AMA has the partnership with the National Aero Association, they have a lot of muscle with anybody halfway interested in any of the World Champ programs. It's not likely the NAA would be interested in dealing with AMA for R/C and another group for CL/FF.  The right thing to do would be to make the ones that fly the dangerous stuff pay a dues "surcharge" to increase their insurance coverage.  H^^ Steve  

   Exactly correct. But I would note that the entire concept of insurance (model or not) counts on the sharing of risk and the spreading of the costs. For everyone who needs to make a claim, there are hundreds who don't and that's why any individual contribution will be far less than the typical payout.

  Another thing to note- CL is not a particularly good risk, in fact, all evidence appears to be that CL is quite poor when it comes to safety claims and insurance payouts, per participant. There are a good number of RC payouts but there are also hundreds of thousands of participants. The fraction or RCists that are of the level of idiocy of the example here is tiny.

 If we went self-insured we would lose both the dilution of the risk by the numbers, AND, face a very high liability, if we could get insurance at all. I think we need to be careful what we wish for - if we get separate rates from the AMA it will be very much higher and if we get our own insurance, it would be very much higher if it could be attained at all. I think a little research will quickly suggest that the AMA insurance is a very good deal for us, that we would have a tough time beating.

   That doesn't even begin to address the other issues that we would face striking out on our own - someone might want to look into the fate of the Sport Fliers Association (SFA), and you can forget getting a separate deal from the NAA.

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« Reply #17 on: May 24, 2011, 04:52:37 PM »
I do not think it is a matter of "if" there is a serious incident regarding RC but rather when is it going to happen.  This is not a bash against RC pilots at all because at one time I flew RC but just got tired of playing video games.  I would hope most RC pilots are dedicated to flying safe.

When the incident does happen, It will not just be the RC community who will suffer the consequences, it will be all of us.  It won't make any difference that we fly on 60' tethered lines, all model flying will be looked at the same and all aspects (CL, Free Flight, etc) will equally suffer.

I have seen some idiotic things happen at my own flying field by RC pilots but rarely see a CL pilot walking out of the circle while spinning around.

I agree with whoever made the statement that the AMA does not recognize the CL flyer anymore.  They give us a pitiful small column in Model Aviation and that is it.  I do no longer even read the magazines.  I just toss them.

We will be found guilty by association when something does happen that will gain national attention.  Might as well get ready for it.

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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #18 on: May 24, 2011, 06:50:10 PM »
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/news/RC_Pilot_Blamed_In_Collision_204696-1.html


As the liability fallout spreads from one of these incidents, what will be the prospects for the members?  Perhaps it's time to have a general discussion of a replacement governing body for U/C.  PAMPA might provide the seed for such a thing if it can be expanded to include all the other forms of U/C besides stunt.  The principle thing that the AMA provides the U/C community is liability coverage for sanctioned events and for the individual flier.  Such coverage is not the exclusive province of the AMA.

I have no particular quarrel with the AMA, but do not want to be caught up in a situation where we (we being the U/C community) can't hold a contest because we can no longer afford the insurance.

I'm not making a rant, at least don't think so, but it may give us something to talk about besides the BOM.

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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2011, 08:13:33 PM »
  To me, the one leading the blame list is the "Air Boss", who you see in the video with the radio in his hand, and does nothing ward off the full scale airplane or advise the guy flying the model to give way to the approaching airplane. I have read about this incident before, and he basically allowed it to happen. Next I would blame the model pilot, as this is something that you just don't do! Never fly in the projected path of full scale traffic even if some yahoo says you can or you think you have a right to be where you are. There is NO WAY you can win in this situation. Lastly in the blame game would be the full scale pilot for pulling off the bone head move. What ever his story was, I don't believe it. He was just out to show off to the guys flying the toy airplanes. He's in the same dumb guy level as the Air Boss. I hope the investigating FAA rep chewed them both out good and issued some sort of fines at the very least, to add to the cost that both had incurred in the collision. And this probably won't be the last time something like this happens. We have to put up with the R/C guys at Oshkosh each year, and they have a hard time flying the park flyer models in the wind and keeping them out of the flight path of the helicopter tours. I'm surprised they haven't had some kind of incident yet and I always have my head on a swivel when out on the field.
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #20 on: May 24, 2011, 09:03:49 PM »
An R/C club that I am a member of frequently flies form a minor "full size" runway, with no local controller. The requirement is that they must always monitor an aviation radio tuned to the assigned frequency.

Aircraft that want to land there must make a call on that frequency, and fly a "proper" landing pattern, so they see if there's any obstructions. They don't always do either... R/C fliers can see if someone is in the pattern but the worst I've heard was a twin engined aircraft that did a straight in approach for a touch and go without a word on the radio.

A couple of times a year, the field is used for model aircraft contests and closed for "full size" use. A NOTAM is put out and big white "X" markings laid down at the ends of the runway. I was there just a spectator when a Cessna 172 landed there regardless of the NOTAM and the markings.

"Aircraft that want to land there must make a call on that frequency," Let me throw a little clarification in here...If the above said airport is an uncontrolled airport, (no tower or adjacent controlled B airspace require arriving and departing traffic to contact ATC) there is no FAA requirement for aircraft (full scale) to use radio communication (UNICOM) at all, however a polite and smart thing to do...But, repeat it is not a FAA requirement. It is an FAA requirement for R/C operators to receive "formal permission" to operate from an airport with full scale operations. (bad idea, but often done)
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« Reply #21 on: May 24, 2011, 11:42:07 PM »
PerttiMe is in Finland, so I'm pretty sure the FAA has little to say about their rules regarding uncontrolled airports.  H^^ Steve
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« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2011, 12:55:39 AM »
there is no FAA requirement for aircraft (full scale) to use radio communication (UNICOM) at all, however a polite and smart thing to do
It can be smart to do the polite and smart thing. However, not using the radio is the mildest example of full scale pilots not acting in a responsible manner in my post.

Landing on a field that is officially closed is not smart.
Doing "long finals" to an uncontrolled field is not smart.

But you probably get away with it until something bad happens.

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« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2011, 01:10:15 AM »
It's all very well to say the that full size aircraft will always have the right of way, but full size pilots can be equally as stupid as R/C pilots!
The nearest airport to our R/C field is about 20 miles away. Many years ago we had a spate of aircraft attempting emergency landings at our field! On one occasion it was a bright breezy day, there where about 4-5 r/c models in the air, when I turned around to see a Jodel throttled back, flaps down coming straight at us, we didn't hear it because of the wind. I told the other r/c pilots to get down quickly, which they did, the full size pilot opened the throttle and pulled away. Why on earth  he/she could not see 15-20 blokes in a field, with models I don't know? I did report the incident to airport.  

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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2011, 06:38:56 AM »
It's all very well to say the that full size aircraft will always have the right of way, but full size pilots can be equally as stupid as R/C pilots!
The nearest airport to our R/C field is about 20 miles away. Many years ago we had a spate of aircraft attempting emergency landings at our field! On one occasion it was a bright breezy day, there where about 4-5 r/c models in the air, when I turned around to see a Jodel throttled back, flaps down coming straight at us, we didn't hear it because of the wind. I told the other r/c pilots to get down quickly, which they did, the full size pilot opened the throttle and pulled away. Why on earth  he/she could not see 15-20 blokes in a field, with models I don't know? I did report the incident to airport.  

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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2011, 09:08:32 AM »
Ever since the US Armed forces stopped sponsoring the NATS the writting was on the wall. When you examine the realities of this age, the AMA is in increasing peril. What do we know? It does not take a rocket scientist to realize that the AMA would never survive a multi-million dollar law suit. Even if the insurance ultimately covers the incident, they will never again be able to purchase coverage at any sort of acceptable rate. When that happens the land use rights at many fields will be revoked (No insurance, No fly) Then membership drops drastically, what will you be paying for? It will end up like certain highways in the US, The roads were already funded, and the toll collectors ultimately were just collecting money to keep the toll collectors.

It is funny how anyone can work numbers to their advantage. Like the number of insurance claims filed. Comparing the number of the RC community and the CL community. Yes the ratio of claims to number of enthusiasts may show CL to have a higher rate than RC because the number of CL flyers are significantly less. But you can not go only by that. You have to look at the dollar value of the individual claims. Without seeing the data I can not say for sure but I would wager that the majority of the CL claims are personal injury and by that I mean Injury to the owner of the model or close friend or relative. Perhaps to site wear and tear from a sanctioned event.

But I can easily say that the claim if any filed against AMA insurance for the damage done to a full scale aircraft as in the article above is worth a dozen trips to the ER for stitches because someone stuck their fingers in a prop. (many of which are covered by personal medical insurance anyway) Also if you are going to use the RC vs CL numbers then you have to acknowledge that the potiental for significant accidents is far greater in the RC community as there are so many more of them.

There is a  solution to mitgate the risks and the impact but no one is going to like it, since it has not been implemented from the very begining. That is strict member and industry wide self regulation. Required training and certification for the operation of RC aircraft of defined classes. You want to buy that behemoth then show your cert. No Cert no sale. This sort of thing, entrants in sanctioned competitions would have to show the cert as well as thier AMA card to enter.

There is a reason that Scuba Diving as a recreational sport has survived and even thrives. Because from the begining strict self regulatory standards were put in place. No reputable dealer will fill your tank, sell you the required life support equipment without a valid training certification card by a recognized Scuba Diving instruction entity, period! NO dive operator will take you out on their boats without it. It is because of this you can get Divers insurance for the same amount per year as does your AMA dues and this is for a activity where if you screw up you will probably DIE!

Scuba is not in any way shape or form supervised or regulated by any governmental agency other than fishing licenses and restriction of ecological sensitive areas.

How many here have gone out to the field with a cooler loaded with a couple of 6 packs and spent the day flying? Well with CL the damage is minimized not think of all the yahoos out there that do it with these 1/8 or 1/4 scale RC behmoths. The interesting thing with alchol is that just before you become intoxicated enough to have significant motor control impact, you loose inhibitions and are more likely to take chances or do normally stupid things. I wonder how many RC fields have just a strictly enforced NO Alcohol Policy with penalties for violation, let alone any other meaningful self regulation policy.

As Stunt SUpply stated it's no if, but when. Someone better figure out what to do when the AMA goes bye bye.
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2011, 10:38:37 AM »
Some of us may not realize that AMA members cannot file claims against each other (to collect AMA insurance).  I found out the hard way when my FF model put a hole in a fellow modeler's car.

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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2011, 11:21:11 AM »
Someone better figure out what to do when the AMA goes bye bye.
The answer to that one is: buy your own flying field......then invite your buddies.....I used to do that, minus the alcohol, but my buddies all went their particular ways, and now there's only about 4 including myself and 11yr old daughter. There's a couple young neighbor kids I'm trying to recruit and 2 infant grandsons.....visitors welcome. H^^
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Re: RC Pilot blamed for aircraft collision
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2011, 01:51:59 PM »
It can be smart to do the polite and smart thing. However, not using the radio is the mildest example of full scale pilots not acting in a responsible manner in my post.

Landing on a field that is officially closed is not smart.
Doing "long finals" to an uncontrolled field is not smart.

But you probably get away with it until something bad happens.


The Acroduster was based at this private, uncontrolled field. It is an air park that is the location of pilot's homes. It is his personal field as he holds a portion of the whole field as his own property.
He did call inbound and was in contact with the so-called air boss.
He did make a stupid error and make a smokin' low pass knowing that a model airplane was still flying. Dumb.

The air boss had no power, the field was not closed and the event was not waivered. They were simply flying a model on an uncontrolled field that morning.

The young, dumb model pilot was told he could do something that if he had any experience with real airplanes he wouldn't have done, maybe. The air boss told him what to do. The kid had no spotter, just a "posse" of equally dumb kids his own age filming and cheering him on. The air boss was next to the kid and probably left the kid with the idea he was safe.

The whole thing was a terrible co-mingling of bad planning, bad decisions and culminated in an accident where, thankfully, no one was hurt.

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