R/C influence

[W.D. Roland]

R/C's influence on C/L is some what of a concern for the future of our Sport.

This is the last page of post on the worst. Work forward from there.

http://rctruth.com/index.php?board=9.100

[Mike Griffin]

What the heck kind of forum is that?  UGH

[John Fitzgerald]

Looks like it is a forum for those who have been banned from RCU or other sites.  I wouldn't give it much weight.  I have seen sour grapes sites before, and they usually are profane, mostly unmoderated, and not very active after a while.

[W.D. Roland]

Then John
You need to look further.
Although some members have been banned I don't think any of those are from RCU..not real sure.

If you read enough you will see where certain sites in an effort to gain Add revenue from Chinese
Manufactures by promoting defective and shoddy from such, do seem to ban those that post complaints.

It is a rude and crude ADULT site. Almost Zero Rules.

A good education on one of the things that will effect our future as well.

Did you know the AMA pays for the one on the right(viewers right) in this picture to 'run the roads'?
Our dues support this sort?
Picture will not up load so here is direct link.
Click to enlarge it.
http://rctruth.com/index.php?topic=434.msg6832#msg6832

[W.D. Roland]

Was able to post the picture here:
http://www.clstunt.com/htdocs/dc/dcboard.php


After going back and looking at the begining of the discussions about RCG pratices on RCT
I see that it was probably the wrong place to start off reading for the faint of heart and
 mind.
My apologies for that.

Try starting at the end(current) and work backwards. This backwards stuff seems to fit what
 the country wants.
And like our countries problems we should solve all of life's problems by not dealing with
the uncomfortable,by sticking our heads in the sand. Hell, its obvious the Founding Fathers did not discuss
any thing involving our freedoms. Hell it ain't important.
Vote? Why? We deserve to loose our country and its freedoms


'One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics
is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.' 
Plato

All this makes for some fun winter time B.S. Watching RCG trying to cover it ass.LOL!
The past hacking and stalking from RCG continues and much like the U.S. the liberals are
and have won.
Every one Happy? Its what we deserve.LOL!

A few funnies.
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1585953

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1566193
This one, after the fact, will need to be tied to the RCT forums RCG threads, as
the RCG shills and other subversives are afraid to communicate on a level field and
are afraid to leave the artificial environment of RCG. Does make them look silly though.

But in reality probably best to go out to the shop and build as much aspossible while
we still have time.

A Free country?
A fuctioning AMA?
Who needs this?

Was able to post the picture here:
http://www.clstunt.com/htdocs/dc/dcboard.php

[W.D. Roland]

Seems they all hate each other, distension among the ranks?

RCG is good at causing this in our hobby.
The bright side of things is RCG convinced me that there is no point in participating in R/C
and that's one of the main factors that brought me back into C/L!

Who were the other 2 fliers in Intermediate at Arkansas contest?
I remember you and I and then ..blank.

[W.D. Roland]

Found this this AM

http://www.topix.com/forum/city/farmington-nm/T4BF6STCLJEAI9SO4

[richardhfcl]

Mr. Roland,

     Perhaps it's my age or lack of inside knowledge, but I'm having a real problem understanding all this.

Could you briefly summarize the point you wish to make?

     Thank you.

     Sincerely,

     Richard Ferrell

[W.D. Roland]

Richard
Most of it seemed far fetched until actually dealing with it personally.
First count our blessings that we have much more honest people at SH, Stuka, Ringmasters sites and after some growing pains I think RCT will turn out the same,

 I do realize that those with out first hand dealings with the 'problem' would have trouble
with understanding it. There are many problems that the 120+ members at RCT have with the current goings on with these sites and their damage to the hobby as well as a growing influence over the AMA.

What ever affects R/C, like it or not in the long run is going to affect C/L from several stand points ranging from
MFG to Laws and so forth. We(C/L) do have some relief from having many small kit makers and other C/L suppliers independent from the mainstream.

Boils down to a site or several but one much worse than the others, and their practices of promoting sponsors.
I have no problem with the promotion of sponsors products when done on the up and up.
When it is done in a manner that causes people to leave the hobby/sport and in a manner that misleads customers into buying substandard and junk products and crucifying anyone who speaks out about problems, then it is a problem. The hacking of emails and the stalking of some of the posters by one of the sites is beyond bizarre.
 
What I have recently learned is called a shill receives free products to post positive comments about products and
also employees and owners of the involved MFGs and suppliers to do same, usually with multiple accounts or as they are called 'Socks'.
One of the things I see repeatedly on several sites is someone, usually a new comer to the hobby will ask questions about a problem with a product and basically be told they are stupid and nothing is wrong with the product. Once that door is opened the new comer needs to leave as he will be harassed and agitated into posting something that
legitimately or not is used for reason to 'perma ban' that person. Anyone who steps in to help or defend the person asking questions usually receives the same fate.
You agree to a set of rules when joining up to the site BUT...the rule are only used when it supports the above type situation and then used differently or not at all with shills and socks.

just a few of the other practices.
The shills and their socks work in packs
banned posters are listed as on a vacation and are used to boost the sites numbers by counting them as members.
Theft and use of others works.

The dishonesty found in these places is going to and is spreading through out our hobby.

As @#$% poor as I am at conveying information the best thing is when time allows go read up on the RCG section of RCT as this has been the biggest and most active problem area.
Alot will not make sense to those who have not been involve and the pictures, screen shots and other such
stuff is only visible if you are a member and logged on.
The main rule is to not try to portray your self as someone else or use a name in use on another site to post under.
The number of shills and socks from RCG caught doing this for subversive purpose made the rule necessary.
The cussing, bitching and moaning have slowly dissipated as people vent and get over the anger they leave RCG with. This is not a family friendly site.

I imagine that in the long run our hobby will go the way the country has and for much the same reasons.

[Brett Buck]

What I have recently learned is called a shill receives free products to post positive comments about products and
also employees and owners of the involved MFGs and suppliers to do same, usually with multiple accounts or as they are called 'Socks'.

  Short for "Sock Puppet", of course. We have a few of them in various places but it's not nearly as bad as it is elsewhere.

     Brett

[W.D. Roland]

  Short for "Sock Puppet", of course. We have a few of them in various places but it's not nearly as bad as it is elsewhere.

     Brett

Correct Brett. Sock Puppets.

The difference in the C/L world to R/C is like night and day and I myself have not noticed anything in C/L that even resembles what is going on in the R/C world. Here and at S.S. the Moderators are much higher caliber than what
R/C or RCG specifically have for Moderators.

C/L is mostly sane while R/C seem to be insane and becoming worse by the day all in the quest of the $$$.
And I have no problems with anyone making as much as possibly but in a non subversive(to the hobby and participants) and legitimate way.

My experience with RCG has caused me to not fly any R/C in the last few years(except micro in back yard)
as the animosities have apparently bled over into the local R/C clubs as well.
Shame that I have 8-10 possibly 12 real nice scratch built scale R/C airplanes that as far as I'm concerned are good for firewood now. Hummmm.... that would free up 3 more light case S.T. 60s! LOL!! OHHH! and another ENYA .45!

Ok
The info or links to get started are there. What to do with it all have no real clue other than what is currently being done.
Probably the best start so far is letters to the AMA over this:
AMA Pays for Jim Graham's vacation
http://rctruth.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=q191ti143sijqjsnlha4643i10&topic=40.0

Please pay attention to whats going on in the R/C world as it is going to affect C/L in the long run.

That"s about all I can do here on this time wise.