Pictures of profile Peacemaker and Cherokee

[Mike Griffin]

If anyone has pictures of the profile Peacemaker and/or the Cherokee, would they please email them to me please. I am having trouble finding a good picture to put on the kit boxes.

Thank you

Mike

e mail me at customcutkits@gmail.com

[Dan Labine]

Try this

http://stunthanger.com/smf/index.php?topic=12080.0

[Elwyn Aud]

I have a shot of the original Cherokee kit label if that helps at all.

[Mike Griffin]

Thank you Elwyn...I appreciate it.

Mike

[Chris Gilbert IRL-1638]

Try the barton site. The link below is to a discussion on all things peacemaker, full bodied and profile, and there is a nice photo of my ASP 12 powered profile peacemaker, somewhere on page 2 of that posting.

I was really surprised to find that when I put a cheek piece on the nose of my peacemaker it reminded me very strongly of the Mig 15, hence the red star on the fin.

http://controlline.org.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=3613&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=peacemaker&&start=0

I'm on my third peacemaker, both previous incarnations were powered by PAW 249s, but since I wanted to keep the weight down (in the amount of kit I bring to my flying site) I used an ASP 12 on this one. An OS 10 LA/FP would be equally effective.

Nice model and a mainstay of CL folklore in this part of the world, everyone has built one at some stage in their CL career around here. Handles wind rather well too.

The Barton site is a real repository of knowledge about this model.

Chris

[George]

Chris,

I read the site you mention, there seems to be some confusion (to me) also. The profile Peacemaker is sized between the Flite Streak and Flite Streak Jr. It has a bit smaller aspect ratio.

The full fuselage Peacemaker as published in MAN is MUCH different than the Top Flite kit. Someone on the Barton site mentioned that.

Actually, the Top Flite kits of the Flite Streak series, although quite successful (I've built my share), did not follow the way George Aldrich designed them. For that reason, George re-designed them for John Brodak when Brodak got rights to sell the kit. As a matter of fact, George would not put his name on them unless they represented his original designs.

George Aldrich liked to fly his planes slow to emulate flight of a full-size plane. I noticed on the Barton site that some were putting modern .29-.35's on the full-fuselage versions, saying that the Ollie didn't have enough power. Well, it has provided many folks with a lot of fun with less power. Whan GMA said to use a .25-.29 glow, that was a 1960 .25-.29, not a modern schnuerle.

Someone mentioned using a 9x6 prop (perhaps they meant on the Profile version). I think the full-fuse version might fly better on a 9x4 or 10x4.

I have a full-fuse version partly built. I got the kit at a swap meet and the wing was partly built, and the kit was missing the fuselage formers for the molded fuselage. I built the plans fuselage for it. The parts fit for the wing was terrible. Whomever started it should have replaced some parts. I set the whole project aside for awhile (several years).

George

[Chris Gilbert IRL-1638]

Hi George,

I think some of the confusion, in this part of the world anyway, is due to a belief that George A used a 3.5 cc Oliver (a Tiger Major perhaps) in the full fuselage peacemaker. I do recall a thread some time back, on some forum or other that rumbled on about this for a while. Around here Peacemakers are still regarded as combat models, as most who still fly originally flew peacemakers in combat, so they are expected to fly fast.

Possibly another issue is that here we invariably contend with wind, I've seen what I would consider to be pretty good flying weather scorned by colleagues in other parts of the world as being too windy. In general models here would be overpowered to compensate.

One instructive exercise we undertook here was to re-engine a modern design (that my buddy and I had both flown with modern 25/30 glows) with a CS Oliver Tiger (a profile Sukhoi 26). Wow! Ok, it was flown on shorter lines, but it was still fun to fly, it still cut the mustard with the Oliver.

My flying buddy has a flapped Peacemaker with a CS Oliver providing the effort. Whilst my buddy and I are unlikely ever to be world champions we can both manage complete (but not respectable) schedules on our respective peacemakers. The full fuselage is clearly bigger when placed beside the profile model. Having said that we can't manage respectable schedules with our real stunters either.

There was a write up in "Aeromodeller" sometime in the 80s about "updating the (profile) peacemaker" to modern construction styles.

I think it is safe to say that the profile peacemaker is a new design when compared to the Flight Streak rather than a scaled down Flite Streak, though the similarities/heritage are obvious.

One has not flown CL if one has not flown a peacemaker!

Chris

[john e. holliday]

I have had the Peascemaker kit as well as the plans of the one that was published here in the states.  It was an Oliver Tigre 2.5 diesel and George talked about how diesels would turn larger props than glows.  Also the advantage of smaller fuel tank.  I did not know about the profile Peacemaker until I started subscribing to Aero Modeller.  Looks like the profile would be fun airplane to just fly. 

[George]

Hi George,

I think some of the confusion, in this part of the world anyway, is due to a belief that George A used a 3.5 cc Oliver (a Tiger Major perhaps) in the full fuselage peacemaker. I do recall a thread some time back, on some forum or other that rumbled on about this for a while. Around here Peacemakers are still regarded as combat models, as most who still fly originally flew peacemakers in combat, so they are expected to fly fast.

In the forum link Dan posted above I posted the whole construction article from 1960. It mentions .15 several times. George tried out his Oliver Tiger in an "oil soaked" Flite Streak to check its capability and was very impressed...so he designed the "flapped" full fuselage Peacemaker.

I THINK he made the profile Peacemaker when he realized that his Flite Streak Jr. was too small for 2.5cc diesels. I had a Webra Mk-1 diesel in one and it was very fast but very mushy in maneuvers because of the wing loading.

I think GMA had some special (limited edition) Olivers that were .19's (3.25cc), but I have no idea what he used them in.

George