Ohio Derailment

[AirClassix]

Apparently being "degreed" makes one more likely to believe that men can get pregnant.
You're so smart.

 

[AirClassix]

  It must have been the Russians 
Al

    NO, NO AL - TRUMP DID IT!!!  Just ask Dennis Moritz!!!

[Brett Buck]

A few side articles to consider.....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5248629/

https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/12/05/504388777/educations-tie-to-conspiracy-theory-belief

Being degreed does not necessarily make one educated; however, being well read, travelled, being curious while open minded, etc. go a long way.

   Degree or no degree, gullibility and willingness to believe utter nonsense is not a matter of education.

       Brett

[Chuck Matheny]

     Of course they are in jail, that is not oppression, it is law enforcement.

     Brett

Author: Eric Flack, Eliana Block
Published: 5:44 PM EDT July 26, 2021
Updated: 11:27 PM EDT July 28, 2021

WASHINGTON D.C., DC — The Department of Justice has arrested more than 535 people for taking part in the January 6 insurrection on the U.S. Capitol building. Some of those trials are months, possibly years away.

"Which is why people like Julian Khater and George Tanios are still in jail on charges of Assault on Federal Officer with Dangerous Weapon and Conspiracy to Injure an Officer, among others, for allegedly spraying pepper spray into the faces of law enforcement like Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick. [into the faces of officers "just like" Sicknick... ]

Thomas Sibick is being held until his trial without bond on charges that include Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers and Taking from a Person Anything of Value by Force and Violence, because he’s accused of being part of the savage attack on DC Police Officer Mike Fanone and ripping Fanone’s badge and radio right off his uniform."

I hope we get to see video that proves that the police were initiating contact and being the aggressors in some cases.

CHECK OUT THE PLAIN CLOTHES "ACTION DIRECTOR" WHO IS ALREADY ON THE SECURE SIDE OF THE GATE WAVING THE PROTESTERS IN...THEN WATCH EVIL MAGA  "STORM" PAST THE 3 FOOT HIGH BICYCLE RACKS HELL BENT TO OVERTHROW THE US GOVERNMENT WITH THEIR TYRAPS, PEPPER SPRAY AND POCKET KNIVES.....
 https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/vision-emerges-of-police-moving-barricades-to-allow-rioters-into-us-capitol-taking-selfies/news-story/45a9be3adf9b447b53d23cf5536c5d02

[Teodorico Terry]

Arlan,

Who said I have a degree? Your response is interesting given the myriad of problems we face as a country and for some reason that was first and foremost in your mind....

[Teodorico Terry]

Chuck,

You may want to rewind a bit and see how it was that they gained entry into the building. Once breached, given the limited number of officers within, I would imagine that they were in damage control mode.  It is also interesting to see that one of them is either wearing what appears to be a gas mask or at least a heavy duty filter.  Why would he need that "if he was just taking a tour"? As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prices...

[Al Ferraro]

Chuck,

  It is also interesting to see that one of them is either wearing what appears to be a gas mask or at least a heavy duty filter.  Why would he need that "if he was just taking a tour"?

Really not a uncommon site. You are forgetting the Covid 19 Super Virus is still lurking in the air! I have seen people out shopping and even driving in the car with a gas masks on. 

[Chuck Matheny]

Chuck,

You may want to rewind a bit and see how it was that they gained entry into the building. Once breached, given the limited number of officers within, I would imagine that they were in damage control mode.  It is also interesting to see that one of them is either wearing what appears to be a gas mask or at least a heavy duty filter.  Why would he need that "if he was just taking a tour"? As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prices...

You are a master of weak and lame excuse making. Doors to the buildings were also unlocked for them.
The guy with the gas mask...can you tell me what he actually did during the riot or are you just reacting to the real scary image..then letting your imagination "run wild"...?
Here's the entire list of confiscated weapons that "almost overthrew the US Government"...was responsible for "the worst attack since Pearl Harbor"..that "murdered 5 Capitol Cops" and that  "almost made AOC die".
Here, I'll even post the totally ridiculous  list for you so you wont have to click on the link....but please don't look any further if you are easily terrified OR HUMILIATED.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/armed-insurrection-what-weapons-capitol-rioters-carry

ALAM, Zachary Jordan   Helmet
ALBERTS, Christopher Michael   Handgun (Alberts was arrested after the riot was over, at 7:25 p.m., on a street near the Capitol and was accused of having a firearm.)
BALLARD, Thomas John   Police baton
BARNETT, Richard   Stun gun, walking stick
BARNHART, Logan James   Baton, flagpole, crutch
BLACK, Joshua Matthew   Knife
BLAIR, David Alan   Flagpole, knife
BROCKHOFF, Nicholas James   Fire extinguisher
BYERLY, Alan William   Taser
CALDWELL, Daniel Ray   Pepper or mace spray
CAPUCCIO, Steven   Baton
CHRESTMAN, William   Ax handle
COFFEE, Luke Russell   Crutch
COFFMAN, Lonnie Leroy   Multiple firearms (Coffman is not charged with being on Capitol grounds; allegedly had two guns on his person, plus firearms in his truck parked on 1st Street SE in Washington D.C.)
COPELAND, Landon Kenneth   Metal fence
CUA, Bruno Joseph   Baton
DEMPSEY, David Nicholas   Crutch, metal pole, "lacrimal spray," and "club-like object"
EISENHART, Lisa Marie   Taser
FAIRLAMB, Scott Kevin   Baton
FOY, Michael Joseph   Hockey stick
GIESWEIN, Robert   Baseball bat, "aerosol irritant spray"
GOSSJANKOWSKI, Vitali   Taser
HARKRIDER, Alex Kirk   Tomahawk ax
IBRAHIM, Mark Sami   Firearm
JACKSON, Emanuel   Metal baseball bat
JAMES, Aaron   Shield
JENKINS, Shane Leedon   Tomahawk ax, flagpole, desk drawer, and "stick-like objects"
JENSEN, Douglas Austin   Knife
JOHNSON, Paul Russell   Metal crowd control barrier
JONES, Chad Barrett   Flagpole
JUDD, David Lee   Firecracker
KHATER, Julian Elie   Chemical spray (Accused of attacking Officer Brian Sicknick)
KLEIN, Federico Guillermo   Shield
KRAMER, Philip Edward   Snowboarding helmet, walking cane, Master Lock, climbing rope
LANG, Edward Jacob   Bat, shield
LANGUERAND, Nicholas   Traffic barrier, "stick-like objects"
LAZAR, Samuel   Chemical irritant
MCABEE, Ronald Colton   Baton, flagpole, crutch, and "reinforced gloves"
MCCAUGHEY, Patrick E. III   Shield
MCGREW, James Burton   Pole
MCHUGH, Sean Michael   Bear spray, "metal sign"
MCKELLOP, Jeffrey   Flagpole
MEREDITH, Cleveland Grover Jr.   Firearms (Meredith arrived in Washington after the riot was over but was charged with having three guns in his possession.)
MELLIS, Jonathan Gennaro   Stick
MILLER, Matthew Ryan   Fire extinguisher
MINK, Jorden Robert   Baseball bat
MUNAFO, Jonathan Joshua   Flagpole
MUNCHEL, Eric   Taser
NEEFE, Marshall   Wooden club, "metal sign frame"
NICHOLS, Ryan Taylor   Crowbar, pepper spray
OWENS, Grady Douglas   Skateboard
PADILLA, Joseph Lino   Flagpole, "large metal sign"
PALMER, Robert Scott   Fire extinguisher, "stick-like object"
PERKINS, Michael Steven   Flagpole
POLLOCK, Jonathan Daniel   Flagpole, riot shield
PONDER, Mark K.   Pole
POWELL, Rachel Marie   Ice ax, "large wooden pole"
QUAGLIN, Christopher Joseph   Shield, pepper spray
RANDOLPH, Stephen Chase   Metal crowd control barrier
REFFITT, Guy Wesley   Handgun
RODRIGUEZ, Daniel   Flagpole, "electroshock weapon"
RODRIGUEZ, Edward Francisco   Chemical irritant
SABOL, Jeffrey   Baton, flagpole, crutch
SAMSEL, Ryan Stephen   Metal crowd control barrier
SANFORD, Robert   Fire extinguisher
SCHAFFER, Jon   Bear spray
SCHWARTZ, Peter J.   Pepper spray
SILLS, Geoffrey William   Baton
SMITH, Charles Bradford   Knife
STAGER, Peter Francis   Baton, flagpole, crutch
STEVENS, Tristan Chandler   Shield
SULLIVAN, John Earle   Knife
TAAKE, Andrew Quentin   Pepper spray, metal whip
TANIOS, George Pierre   Chemical spray (Accused of attacking Officer Brian Sicknick)
TAYLOR, Russell   Knife
THOMPSON, Devlyn   Baton
WATSON, William   Pepper spray
WEBSTER, Thomas   Flagpole
WESTBURY, Isaac   Shield
WHITTON, Jack Wade   Baton, flagpole, crutch
WILSON, Duke Edward   Pipe
WORRELL, Christopher John   Pepper spray

A few observations on the list. First, on the issue of guns. Five suspects — Christopher Michael Alberts, Lonnie Leroy Coffman, Mark Sami Ibrahim, Cleveland Grover Meredith Jr., and Guy Wesley Reffitt — are charged with possessing firearms. But none are charged with using them during the riot.

Alberts was arrested at 7:25 p.m., after the riot was over, when police enforcing the District of Columbia curfew suspected he had a handgun under his coat as he was leaving.

Coffman was arrested at about 6:30 p.m. after he told police that he was trying to get to his parked pickup truck. Officers found two handguns on Coffman's person and two more guns, along with possible bomb-making materials, in the truck.

[Teodorico Terry]

You are simply choosing to ignore what does not fit your view of what happened.  The damage it actually did to the country and the process by which we choose who govern is real.  You saw some of that come to light in the midterms. It is also a fact is that the event itself was enough to delay the vote so I guess in your view that is just minor thing.  Chances are that for the most part they got carried away; that is how riots happen.  IQ45 did not help by fanning the flames when the claimed that Pence had let them down.  By the way, before firearms came along just about anything heavy enough could be made into a weapon.  I am pretty sure that you would not enjoy being hit on the side of the head with a fire extinguisher. Also there is strength in numbers, even without weapons.  Faux News got into trouble when it came out that their hosts did not believe that the election was stolen but kept up the story because it was good for their ratings. There is a theory that if a lie is repeated often enough people will start to believe it to be true.  That is one of the reasons why conspiracy theories gain traction; the other, most rely on statement that appear plausible however unlikely and people just run with them. When it comes to math and statistics unfortunately, most Americans are completely illiterate.

[Chuck Matheny]

You are simply choosing to see what you want to see and ignoring the damage it actually did to the country and the process by which we choose who govern. It is also a fact is that the event itself was enough to delay the vote so I guess in your view that is just minor thing.  Chances are that for the most part they got carried away; that is how riots happen.  IQ45 did not help by fanning the flames when the claimed that Pence had let them down. By the way, before firearms came along just about anything heavy enough could be made into a weapon.  I am pretty sure that you would not enjoy being hit on the side of the head with a fire extinguisher. Also there is strength in numbers, even without weapons.  Faux News got into trouble when it came out that their hosts did not believe that the election was stolen but kept up the story because it was good for their ratings. There is a theory that if a lie is repeated often enough people will start to believe it to be true.  That is one of the reasons why conspiracy theories gain traction; the other, most rely on statement that appear plausible however unlikely and people just run with them. When it comes to math and statistics unfortunately, most Americans are completely illiterate.

How ridiculous...!!! 
Go ahead and post the video that proves 140 cops were severely injured. There were 100s of video cameras EVERYWHERE.
Your government has had YEARS to make a "Best Hits of MAGA 2020" video by now so either put up the proof or shut up...because I don't have the stomach to listen to any more hype, propaganda and all out lies.
All I've seen so far is a lot of pushing back and forth and playing tug of war with some large objects. Much like watching College kids spill onto the field after a football game or at a rock concert.
  Not quite  enough "firepower" to overthrow the government..but keep reciting all the dishonest media hype that has been pounded into your head .......

[Chuck Matheny]

"As for the rest of the weapons, six defendants are charged with having a knife, although none are accused of using the weapon on another person. Five defendants are accused of having a Taser or stun gun. Three are charged with having an ax. Four are charged with having a baseball bat. Seven are charged with having a crutch. Eleven are charged with having a baton of some sort. Thirteen are accused of having some sort of pepper or other irritant spray. Nineteen are charged with having a pole, usually a pole for the flags they carried. Eight are accused of having a shield, several of them police shields they apparently took at the scene."

and one of the "DOMESTIC TERRORISTS / BIGGEST THREATS TO OUR DEMOCRACY" had a firecracker......!!!

[Teodorico Terry]

It looks like you have a canned response already written up and ready to be cut and pasted where appropriate. A few observations:

1) I thought that you guys were the party of law and order, one injured cop should had been enough to spark outrage. You seem outraged that not enough cops were injured.  Odd perspective.

2) Last time I checked laying your hand on someone can be considered assault, more so if the person on the receiving end is a cop.  I would not be surprised if the assault by mob resulted in charges to multiple people for assaulting a single officer.  I would also not be surprised if a particular individual assaulted more than one cop as it made its way (the use of it was intentional by the way) resulting in additional charges.

3) The whole idea that they were let in is also preposterous, you would had to been blind not the see the mayhem outside before entry was gained.

4) I would be surprised if in this crowd there weren't a preponderance of COVID deniers/skeptics.  You comments make it clear where you fall.  The likelihood that the guy was wearing either a gas mask/filter to protect himself from COVID is probably next to nil.  If he really was concerned about his health he would have stayed home. You counterpoint does not really hold.

5) A lot of those "patriots" posted videos claiming that they were willing to lay down their lives for the cause (interestingly they never seem to be clear about what that "cause" actually is or what they set out to accomplish).  Being chucked in jail seems a less drastic alternative; what are they complaining about?

I agree that this was not a serious attempt to overthrow the government, it was basically a riot.  What is worrisome is that it was motivated by a false narrative that the election was stolen.  We saw that re-surface in the mid-terms particularly in Arizona. Going back in time, IQ45 had already claimed in 2016 that Hillary only won the popular vote due to fraudulent votes being cast in her favor.  He was already planting the seed although what he claimed made no sense (a common occurrence with his utterances).  If the Dems really had the power to do that why not actually go for the presidency?  The popular vote does not give you power.  By the way, the last time Republicans won the popular vote was when Junior was re-elected. At any rate, it does not really matter as in the American system the wishes of the majority really don't count for much.

[Dan McEntee]

You are a master of weak and lame excuse making. Doors to the buildings were also unlocked for them.
The guy with the gas mask...can you tell me what he actually did during the riot or are you just reacting to the real scary image..then letting your imagination "run wild"...?
Here's the entire list of confiscated weapons that "almost overthrew the US Government"...was responsible for "the worst attack since Pearl Harbor"..that "murdered 5 Capitol Cops" and that  "almost made AOC die".
Here, I'll even post the totally ridiculous  list for you so you wont have to click on the link....but please don't look any further if you are easily terrified OR HUMILIATED.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/armed-insurrection-what-weapons-capitol-rioters-carry

ALAM, Zachary Jordan   Helmet
ALBERTS, Christopher Michael   Handgun (Alberts was arrested after the riot was over, at 7:25 p.m., on a street near the Capitol and was accused of having a firearm.)
BALLARD, Thomas John   Police baton
BARNETT, Richard   Stun gun, walking stick
BARNHART, Logan James   Baton, flagpole, crutch
BLACK, Joshua Matthew   Knife
BLAIR, David Alan   Flagpole, knife
BROCKHOFF, Nicholas James   Fire extinguisher
BYERLY, Alan William   Taser
CALDWELL, Daniel Ray   Pepper or mace spray
CAPUCCIO, Steven   Baton
CHRESTMAN, William   Ax handle
COFFEE, Luke Russell   Crutch
COFFMAN, Lonnie Leroy   Multiple firearms (Coffman is not charged with being on Capitol grounds; allegedly had two guns on his person, plus firearms in his truck parked on 1st Street SE in Washington D.C.)
COPELAND, Landon Kenneth   Metal fence
CUA, Bruno Joseph   Baton
DEMPSEY, David Nicholas   Crutch, metal pole, "lacrimal spray," and "club-like object"
EISENHART, Lisa Marie   Taser
FAIRLAMB, Scott Kevin   Baton
FOY, Michael Joseph   Hockey stick
GIESWEIN, Robert   Baseball bat, "aerosol irritant spray"
GOSSJANKOWSKI, Vitali   Taser
HARKRIDER, Alex Kirk   Tomahawk ax
IBRAHIM, Mark Sami   Firearm
JACKSON, Emanuel   Metal baseball bat
JAMES, Aaron   Shield
JENKINS, Shane Leedon   Tomahawk ax, flagpole, desk drawer, and "stick-like objects"
JENSEN, Douglas Austin   Knife
JOHNSON, Paul Russell   Metal crowd control barrier
JONES, Chad Barrett   Flagpole
JUDD, David Lee   Firecracker
KHATER, Julian Elie   Chemical spray (Accused of attacking Officer Brian Sicknick)
KLEIN, Federico Guillermo   Shield
KRAMER, Philip Edward   Snowboarding helmet, walking cane, Master Lock, climbing rope
LANG, Edward Jacob   Bat, shield
LANGUERAND, Nicholas   Traffic barrier, "stick-like objects"
LAZAR, Samuel   Chemical irritant
MCABEE, Ronald Colton   Baton, flagpole, crutch, and "reinforced gloves"
MCCAUGHEY, Patrick E. III   Shield
MCGREW, James Burton   Pole
MCHUGH, Sean Michael   Bear spray, "metal sign"
MCKELLOP, Jeffrey   Flagpole
MEREDITH, Cleveland Grover Jr.   Firearms (Meredith arrived in Washington after the riot was over but was charged with having three guns in his possession.)
MELLIS, Jonathan Gennaro   Stick
MILLER, Matthew Ryan   Fire extinguisher
MINK, Jorden Robert   Baseball bat
MUNAFO, Jonathan Joshua   Flagpole
MUNCHEL, Eric   Taser
NEEFE, Marshall   Wooden club, "metal sign frame"
NICHOLS, Ryan Taylor   Crowbar, pepper spray
OWENS, Grady Douglas   Skateboard
PADILLA, Joseph Lino   Flagpole, "large metal sign"
PALMER, Robert Scott   Fire extinguisher, "stick-like object"
PERKINS, Michael Steven   Flagpole
POLLOCK, Jonathan Daniel   Flagpole, riot shield
PONDER, Mark K.   Pole
POWELL, Rachel Marie   Ice ax, "large wooden pole"
QUAGLIN, Christopher Joseph   Shield, pepper spray
RANDOLPH, Stephen Chase   Metal crowd control barrier
REFFITT, Guy Wesley   Handgun
RODRIGUEZ, Daniel   Flagpole, "electroshock weapon"
RODRIGUEZ, Edward Francisco   Chemical irritant
SABOL, Jeffrey   Baton, flagpole, crutch
SAMSEL, Ryan Stephen   Metal crowd control barrier
SANFORD, Robert   Fire extinguisher
SCHAFFER, Jon   Bear spray
SCHWARTZ, Peter J.   Pepper spray
SILLS, Geoffrey William   Baton
SMITH, Charles Bradford   Knife
STAGER, Peter Francis   Baton, flagpole, crutch
STEVENS, Tristan Chandler   Shield
SULLIVAN, John Earle   Knife
TAAKE, Andrew Quentin   Pepper spray, metal whip
TANIOS, George Pierre   Chemical spray (Accused of attacking Officer Brian Sicknick)
TAYLOR, Russell   Knife
THOMPSON, Devlyn   Baton
WATSON, William   Pepper spray
WEBSTER, Thomas   Flagpole
WESTBURY, Isaac   Shield
WHITTON, Jack Wade   Baton, flagpole, crutch
WILSON, Duke Edward   Pipe
WORRELL, Christopher John   Pepper spray

A few observations on the list. First, on the issue of guns. Five suspects — Christopher Michael Alberts, Lonnie Leroy Coffman, Mark Sami Ibrahim, Cleveland Grover Meredith Jr., and Guy Wesley Reffitt — are charged with possessing firearms. But none are charged with using them during the riot.

Alberts was arrested at 7:25 p.m., after the riot was over, when police enforcing the District of Columbia curfew suspected he had a handgun under his coat as he was leaving.

Coffman was arrested at about 6:30 p.m. after he told police that he was trying to get to his parked pickup truck. Officers found two handguns on Coffman's person and two more guns, along with possible bomb-making materials, in the truck.

       Notice that you don't see Ashley Babbitt's name on this list. She is the only death actually related  to the event, and she was shot and killed in cold blood. No accountability or ramifications to the officer guard that pulled the trigger. She was unarmed and a threat to no one. And we are coming up to the anniversary of the 1971 bombing in the capital on March 1st 1971,  and you can read about two others also at this link. All pretty much attributed by factions similar to what the Democratic party is today!!

   https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-capitol-attack-history-1.5863856
 
    Justice for Ashley Babbitt!

     Type at you later,
     Dan McEntee

[AirClassix]

Justice for Ashley Babbitt!

Type at you later,
Dan McEntee

 

[AirClassix]

It looks like you have a canned response already written up and ready to be cut and pasted where appropriate. A few observations:

1) I thought that you guys were the party of law and order, one injured cop should had been enough to spark outrage. You seem outraged that not enough cops were injured.  Odd perspective.

2) Last time I checked laying your hand on someone can be considered assault, more so if the person on the receiving end is a cop.  I would not be surprised if the assault by mob resulted in charges to multiple people for assaulting a single officer.  I would also not be surprised if a particular individual assaulted more than one cop as it made its way (the use of it was intentional by the way) resulting in additional charges.

3) The whole idea that they were let in is also preposterous, you would had to been blind not the see the mayhem outside before entry was gained.

4) I would be surprised if in this crowd there weren't a preponderance of COVID deniers/skeptics.  You comments make it clear where you fall.  The likelihood that the guy was wearing either a gas mask/filter to protect himself from COVID is probably next to nil.  If he really was concerned about his health he would have stayed home. You counterpoint does not really hold.

5) A lot of those "patriots" posted videos claiming that they were willing to lay down their lives for the cause (interestingly they never seem to be clear about what that "cause" actually is or what they set out to accomplish).  Being chucked in jail seems a less drastic alternative; what are they complaining about?

I agree that this was not a serious attempt to overthrow the government, it was basically a riot.  What is worrisome is that it was motivated by a false narrative that the election was stolen.  We saw that re-surface in the mid-terms particularly in Arizona. Going back in time, IQ45 had already claimed in 2016 that Hillary only won the popular vote due to fraudulent votes being cast in her favor.  He was already planting the seed although what he claimed made no sense (a common occurrance with his utterances).  If the Dems really had the power to do that why not actually go for the presidency?  The popular vote does not give you power.  By the way, the last time Republicans won the popular vote was when Junior was re-elected. At any rate, it does not really matter as in the American system the wishes of the majority really don't count for much.

Yada yada yada.  My Daddy can beat your Daddy up.  Is there some intelligent point, some fact of meaning there?

If you believe what you've posted, I'm certain your eyes are brown - it's that deep in you.  Get a grip!

Name ONE person here who thinks ANY Police Officers should have been injured or killed.  THEN EXPLAIN WHY BIDEN CONTINUES TO TELL AUDIENCES THAT FIVE (5) CAPITOL POLICE OFFICERS WERE KILLED BY THE "TERRORISTS".  (Intellectual integrity - if you're honest and care, you can easily find video of him telling crowds that just within the last week.  He takes every opportunity, even while visiting foreign countries, to condemn his opponents - VERY DISHONESTLY.  IT'S THE BIDEN WAY.)

Maybe you can explain why our Supreme Court ruled in ONE STATE that voting changes NOT made by the state's legislature must cease - and then hid in the closet, apparently - as I and many others suspect - afraid of the total chaos the country would be thrown into if they didn't simply look the other way.  You do remember the millions of dollars in damages and hundreds of deaths caused by riots in recent years, right?  Can you name ONE Republican leader who promoted those riots or who said "I don't blame them.  They should continue?"

If you really believe justice is being served in the treatment of those charged with "insurrection", you're either incredibly without reason or incredibly ignorant.  Period.

Heinlein claimed we all fall into one of two groups - which group are you in?

Dennis

PS: A good friend, a fireman, was shot at while trying to put out fires in Minneapolis.  Do you seriously think the shooterrs were Republicans?  Have THEY been prosecuted?

[AirClassix]

Speaking only for myself: We've been through a lot politically, but I'm sorry to read comments suggesting much was lost after January 6th.

Liz Cheney participated in the January 6th circus - and we in Wyoming sent her packing.  If you look at the bills presented in the current Wyoming legislative session, you might think a Conservative Crusade is underway.

Money for a border wall nearly made it into the state budget!  Can you believe that!?!  More coming ...

Dennis

[Chuck Matheny]

It looks like you have a canned response already written up and ready to be cut and pasted where appropriate. A few observations:
IT IS ACTUALLY CALLED BEING ARMED WITH FACTS AND THE ABILITY TO POINT OUT WHERE WE HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY LIED TO BY TEAM BIDEN AND BY TEAM BIDEN'S BOSS..... [[[THE GLOBALIST PARTY CONTROLLED  MSM]]]

1) I thought that you guys were the party of law and order, one injured cop should had been enough to spark outrage. You seem outraged that not enough cops were injured.  Odd perspective.
NICE ATTEMPT AT DEFLECTION BUT I ASKED YOU TO SHOW PROOF THAT 140 COPS WERE SEVERELY INJURED AND THAT 5 COPS WERE MURDERED. I GET OUTRAGED WHEN LIED TO, BUT LEAVE IT TO A DISHONEST AND DESPERATE POS LOSER  TO CLAIM THAT I CONDONE ASSAULTING COPS

2) Last time I checked laying your hand on someone can be considered assault, more so if the person on the receiving end is a cop.  I would not be surprised if the assault by mob resulted in charges to multiple people for assaulting a single officer.  I would also not be surprised if a particular individual assaulted more than one cop as it made its way (the use of it was intentional by the way) resulting in additional charges.
YOU ARE OK WITH A CONSERVATIVE INCARCERATED INDEFINITELY FOR PUTTING HIS FEET UP ON PELOSI'S DESK OR FOR RIPPING THE BADGE AND RADIO OFF OF A COP'S UNIFORM..BUT IF THIS HAPPENED TO ANTIFA OR BLM [[[RACHEL]]]WOULD HAVE YOU SPITTING NAILS

3) The whole idea that they were let in is also preposterous, you would had to been blind not the see the mayhem outside before entry was gained.
MANY WERE LET IN THROUGH DOORS THAT WERE UNLOCKED FOR THEM. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT / FORCE IT WOULD TAKE TO BLAST OPEN A MAG LOCKED AND DEAD BOLTED ENTRY DOOR OF ANY FEDERAL BLDG...?

4) I would be surprised if in this crowd there weren't a preponderance of COVID deniers/skeptics.  You comments make it clear where you fall.  The likelihood that the guy was wearing either a gas mask/filter to protect himself from COVID is probably next to nil.  If he really was concerned about his health he would have stayed home. You counterpoint does not really hold.
I ASKED YOU TO TELL US WHAT THIS GUY WITH THE GAS MASK ACTUALLY DID BUT ALL YOU GOT IS MORE TIME WASTING JIBBER JABBER

5) A lot of those "patriots" posted videos claiming that they were willing to lay down their lives for the cause (interestingly they never seem to be clear about what that "cause" actually is or what they set out to accomplish).  Being chucked in jail seems a less drastic alternative; what are they complaining about?
SO ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE WILLING TO DIE FOR A CAUSE DESERVES TO BE LOCKED UP....GOT IT

I agree that this was not a serious attempt to overthrow the government, it was basically a riot.  What is worrisome is that it was motivated by a false narrative that the election was stolen. 

KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT IT WAS A FAIR AND FRAUD FREE ELECTION....EVEN THOUGH YOUR PEOPLE HAVE ALL SCREAMED FRAUD BEFORE
Below is a little refresher course about Eric Coomer who was head of election security for Dominion Voting systems.
https://survivalmagazine.org/news/fk-the-usa-dominions-eric-coomer-admits-under-oath-to-being-former-skinhead-heroin-addict-lied-in-denver-post-screed-video/

[Chuck Matheny]

Money for a border wall nearly made it into the state budget!  Can you believe that!?!  More coming ...

Dennis

But Dennis.....how will the guards at the wall be able to tell the difference between a normal person and a PROGRESSIVE CALIFORNIAN...?

[Teodorico Terry]

I agree that this was not a serious attempt to overthrow the government, it was basically a riot.  What is worrisome is that it was motivated by a false narrative that the election was stolen.  We saw that re-surface in the mid-terms particularly in Arizona. Going back in time, IQ45 had already claimed in 2016 that Hillary only won the popular vote due to fraudulent votes being cast in her favor.  He was already planting the seed although what he claimed made no sense (a common ocurance with his utterances).  If the Dems really had the power to do that why not actually go for the presidency?  The popular vote does not give you power.  By the way, the last time Republicans won the popular vote was when Junior got re-elected. At any rate, it does not really matter as in the American system the wishes of the majority really don't count for much.

When you quoted what I wrote you chose to leave a part out. IQ45 is the only president in recent history who has made the claim of significant voter fraud.  He even went as far as creating a commission to look into it which was dissolved some time later.  No changes in the process were made as a result of their work. The inference is that they found nothing statistically significant.  Moving forward making it public that the effort came to nothing would not be favorable to IQ45's public image; claiming that problems were found and fixed would not help him either.  In the case of the latter it would close the door on the issue so he would not be able to make claim again at a later time. 2016 was a prelude to 2020.

So here were are more than 2 years later and recounts in states like Arizona came to nothing; Georgia recently announced that they found nothing. I realize that to the converted this means nothing; the narrative will simply be adjusted once again to fit their world view. So out of curiosity what would it take to convince you otherwise?  Finally, I think that it is amusing that Faux News now finds itself in legal jeopardy because its top brass and commentators did not find the election fraud credible but kept pushing the story. I guess that whatever brings in the advertising dollars is the story of the day.

[Ken Culbertson]

As long as the Ohio Derailment thread has been derailed and we are, again, talking about Trump let me give you my perspective on the whole election fraud picture.  Pretend you are Trump and it is election eve and you are leading in all of the battleground states and all leading indicators point to a victory by a comfortable margin.  Then you go to bed and wake up to find that you lost ALL of them?  What are you to think, what are you to do.  We will never know for sure whether or not the election was stolen because the means they used to steal it were made moot by the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case, not on merit but of all things, standing.  Maybe Trump should not have insulted Roberts.  It is what it is now, and it really is time to move on.  Trump initially acted as would most if he was faced with what appeared to him as a well-orchestrated coup.  As it turns out it was, but it was done within the judicial system, and he lost there. Since then, it has been sour grapes and he should take Nixon's approach after the election was stolen from him by actual fraud, but he won't.

Now can we drop this and go back to flying toy airplanes before we start becoming divided in our own ranks?

Ken

[Chuck Matheny]

When you quoted what I wrote you chose to leave a part out. IQ45 is the only president in recent history who has made the claim of significant voter fraud.  He even went as far as creating a commission to look into it which was dissolved some time later.  No changes in the process were made as a result of their work. The inference is that they found nothing statistically significant.  Moving forward making it public that the effort came to nothing would not be favorable to IQ45's public image; claiming that problems were found and fixed would not help him either.  In the case of the latter it would close the door on the issue so he would not be able to make claim again at a later time. 2016 was a prelude to 2020.

So here were are more than 2 years later and recounts in states like Arizona came to nothing; Georgia recently announced that they found nothing. I realize that to the converted this means nothing; the narrative will simply be adjusted once again to fit their world view. So out of curiosity what would it take to convince you otherwise?  Finally, I think that it is amusing that Faux News now finds itself in legal jeopardy because its top brass and commentators did not find the election fraud credible but kept pushing the story. I guess that whatever brings in the advertising dollars is the story of the day.

Looks to me that you want to live in a society where you are not allowed to claim that there was significant fraud.
There WAS significant fraud and it came at us from several directions all at once.
Those who control the 99% of the mass media also control the Democrat [[[[GLOBALIST]]] Party and they have been working 24/7 to transform the USA into a single party society that runs elections that they control.
FAUX NEWS is only offered to the Goyim Masses for our immense commercial value and to also make it seem like the Goyim have at least token control of the [[[MSM]]].
We will never see another election that wasn't heavily rigged or 100% verifiable......ever again..
We will continue to see elections that are decided by miraculous and mathematically impossible vote swings at 3AM.

https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/06/17/huge-significant-election-irregularities-exposed-in-fulton-county-georgia-n1455273

https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/political-insider-explains-voter-fraud-with-mail-in-ballots/

https://www.wsj.com/articles/heed-jimmy-carter-on-the-danger-of-mail-in-voting-11586557667

https://www.westernjournal.com/revealed-klobuchar-warren-sent-letter-warning-dominion-election-tech-2019/

[Teodorico Terry]

Ken,

Agree, it will over and out after this one. Reasons for the differences between expectations and reality:

1) Mail in voting vs. in person voting:  Trump was expected to have an early lead because he pushed for in-person voting potentially to his own detriment (things come up, you may not be able to make it the polls on election day, mail-in ballots give you more flexibility).  You also need to remember that mail-in ballots cannot be counted ahead of the election.  The expectation was that he would show an early lead due to this but after the polls closed this was up for grabs as the mail-in ballots were counted.  Before jumping off to say that mail-in ballots are not secure, out of a household of 3, 1 ballot was rejected due to an issue with the signature. What that meant was that one of us how to go down to the clerk's office so that the signature could be verified.  This is why it was important to turn-in the ballots early.

2) Individual States are responsible for administering the elections.  I believe that for the States that were flipped the Secretary of State was Republican (I might be wrong). To pull-of the heist it would have taken an incredible amount of coordination across different states involving a fair number of people.  What are the odds that they actually pulled it off and no one spilled the beans?  Most of you think that the Democrats are incapable of running the country; do you really think they could have pulled it off?

3) Mixed results. Getting the presidency without solidly taking the House of Representatives and the Senate does not really give you power.  Biden took the House by an OK margin and had no margin in the Senate (the VP would cast the deciding vote). Why not  take them as well with comfortable margins? Witness how Sinema and others were able to throw a monkey wrench into things.  The midterms further muddled that.

4) If voter fraud is so prevalent there is no reason to believe that it would be the exclusive domain of a single party.

5) Human nature:  We generally tend to associate with like minded people.  I have heard people say things like everybody that I know voted for him, no way he could have lost!  To that I would say that their universe is not a representative sample of the country from a statistical point of view but many find that hard to understand.

I was surprised that Biden won but in some respects I could see people getting tired of Trump's personality. Biden is not perfect but he is closer to normal.  When the time comes; if the Dems lose in 2024, I know that at least we will have a quiet transition of power.

Now, for something that has not been much in the news; under Biden, the US was able to gain access to 4 new bases in the Philippines.  This is huge, China had been courting the Philippines heavily and their prior president wanted nothing to do with the US. The Philippines is important because it sits next to the shipping routes in the South China sea.  It also matters because now the US will also have a base ~250 SSE of Taiwan; we already have a base about 200 miles North of Taiwan.  China was not at all happy about it, but this is how a soft touch can get things done. During the Falklands War the Argentine AF was based about 400 miles West of the Islands and they were still able to give the British a hard time; 250 miles is a lot closer.... Now, if they had kept Luria in Congress maybe we would have had a more logical approach to what the Navy needs to do to stay current....

[Robert Zambelli]

terry:

Instead of your fatuous prattle, I'll keep it simple. Biden is a worthless piece of slime. He couldn't run a dunkin donuts let alone the most powerful country on earth.

Your anti-Trump BULLSI!T disgusts me.
Why don't you answer this simple question: Who could do a better job than Trump of running this country?

I'm waiting.

ps - assuming you know how to read, then READ the title of this thread. It is "Ohio Derailment"

[AirClassix]

Ken,

Agree, it will over and out after this one. Reasons for the differences between expectations and reality:

1) Mail in voting vs. in person voting:  Trump was expected to have an early lead because he pushed for in-person voting potentially to his own detriment (things come up, you may not be able to make it the polls on election day, mail-in ballots give you more flexibility). You also need to remember that mail-in ballots cannot be counted ahead of the election.  The expectation was that he would show an early lead due to this but after the polls closed this was up for grabs as the mail-in ballots were counted.  Before jumping off to say that mail-in ballots are not secure, out of a household of 3, 1 ballot was rejected due to an issue with the signature. What that meant was that one of us how to go down to the clerk's office so that the signature could be verified.  This is why it was important to turn-in the ballots early.

2) Individual States are responsible for administering the elections.  I believe that for the States that were flipped the Secretary of State was Republican (I might be wrong). To pull-of the heist it would have taken an incredible amount of coordination across different states involving a fair number of people.  What are the odds that they actually pulled it off and no one spilled the beans?  Most of you think that the Democrats are incapable of running the country; do you really think they could have pulled it off?

3) Mixed results. Getting the presidency without solidly taking the House of Representatives and the Senate does not really give you power.  Biden took the House by an OK margin and had no margin in the Senate (the VP would cast the deciding vote). Why not  take them as well with comfortable margins? Witness how Sinema and others were able to throw a monkey wrench into things.  The midterms further muddled that.

4) If voter fraud is so prevalent there is no reason to believe that it would be the exclusive domain of a single party.

5) Human nature:  We generally tend to associate with like minded people.  I have heard people say things like everybody that I know voted for him, no way he could have lost!  To that I would say that their universe is not a representative sample of the country from a statistical point of view but many find that hard to understand.

I was surprised that Biden won but in some respects I could see people getting tired of Trump's personality. Biden is not perfect but he is closer to normal.  When the time comes; if the Dems lose in 2024, I know that at least we will have a quiet transition of power.

Now, for something that has not been much in the news; under Biden, the US was able to gain access to 4 new bases in the Philippines.  This is huge, China had been courting the Philippines heavily and their prior president wanted nothing to do with the US. The Philippines is important because it sits next to the shipping routes in the South China sea.  It also matters because now the US will also have a base ~250 SSE of Taiwan; we already have a base about 200 miles North of Taiwan.  China was not at all happy about it, but this is how a soft touch can get things done. During the Falklands War the Argentine AF was based about 400 miles West of the Islands and they were still able to give the British a hard time; 250 miles is a lot closer.... Now, if they had kept Luria in Congress maybe we would have had a more logical approach to what the Navy needs to do to stay current....

You really are full of it, Brown Eyes!  ONLY 4 STATES (MIGHT) WAIT TO COUNT MAIL-IN BALLOTS UNTIL ELECTION DAY!  I expect the average 4th grader could learn that.  Are you a son of Biden?

PLEASE - quit embarrassing yourself here!  And look up the word INTEGRITY!

Dennis

[Teodorico Terry]

For those who do not want to bother reading the link, it actually has two columns for each state, the first when the ballots are processed and the other for when the votes are actually counted or tallied.  Processing a mail in ballot does not imply that it was also tallied at the same time, that varies from state to state. What processing means, I am not sure, probably verifying signatures and prepping the ballot to be fed into the machine.  This is link does not necessarily reflect 2020 100% but it gives you an idea; I was not able to find the same level of nuanced information for that year.

https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-16-when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin#toggleContent-12088

The CNN article that Dennis quotes does not differentiate between the two, most will read it and make assumption that processed means counted which may not be the case. It makes sense to delay the counts to election day simply to prevent leaks which could skew an election, but then again, I am just a dumbass anyway.

[AirClassix]

https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-16-when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin#toggleContent-12088

As always, you see only what you want to see.  My God, get help!  Did you even READ that post!?!

It's simply pathetic how you can bury your head ...  (somewhere) and completely ignore facts.  But - since you want to challenge here - answer my questions!  For example: Name ONE poster here who advocates killing Capitol Police Officers.  You make statement after statement but refuse to back them up.  I sense the schoolyard bully here ...

https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/politics/mail-in-voting/

[Norm Faith Jr.]

BREAKING NEWS! Washing Post...Trump "did not" eliminate any regulations that contributed to the train derailment in Ohio! BOOM!

[AirClassix]

KISS - Let's keep it simple.

Teodorico Terry: You stated "You also need to remember that mail-in ballots cannot be counted ahead of the election."  Do you still stand by that statement?  YES OR NO?

You've addressed those who disagree with you as "you guys", "the converted", and added a jab at "Faux News".  Do you consider that intelligent discussion/debate?

You write: "When the time comes; if the Dems lose in 2024, I know that at least we will have a quiet transition of power.  Like we had in 2017?  No, wait - the RESIST movement started right after the election in 2016.  Hillary still insists Trump was an "illegitimate" President, just as Stacey Abrams still insists the Georgia Governorship was "stolen" from her.

Personally, I believe Donald Trump was - by light years - the best option presented to us in the Presidential Election of 2016.  And I hope he never, ever runs for any office again.

Like many here, I simply want our leaders to do the RIGHT THING.  You might want to consider the possibility that others here who disagree with you are anything but "Trumpers".  Perhaps you can even free yourself from that awful TDS and just deal with FACTS.

Dennis

[Joseph Lijoi]

Can you name ONE Republican leader who promoted those riots or who said "I don't blame them.  They should continue?"

Yes. Donald J Trump

[Chuck Matheny]

Yes. Donald J Trump

This is what Trump actually said. This is a fact.

"I know your pain. Your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us. From me, from you and from our country.

This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So, go home, we love you, you’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You’ve seen the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace."

Congratulations Lijol..you just cemented a reputation here as a  LIAR.

[Ken Culbertson]

BREAKING NEWS! Washing Post...Trump "did not" eliminate any regulations that contributed to the train derailment in Ohio! BOOM!

Don't confuse them with facts.  Trump did it and anything that contradicts that is to be ignored.

Ken

[Gary Dowler]

Yes. Donald J Trump

Shall we discuss the 574 BLM/Antifa riots all across the nation, all supported and encouraged by the "leaders" in the democratic party? The BILLIONS in property damage? The THOUSANDS injured? the 3000 police injured, and several killed? The entire sections of downtown Seattle and Portland taken over by armed mobs for months? The THOUSANDS of businesses looted? The DOZENS (possibly hundreds) of businesses burned to the ground? The police stations overrun, looted and burned? 
And here are the words of Kamala Harris about these "protests" on June 17 2020 during an appearance  on the Jimmy Kimmel show (so you can look the quote up yourself)

"“They’re not going to stop,” Harris said at the time. “This is a movement, I’m telling you. They’re not going to stop and everyone beware, because they’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop before Election Day in November and they’re not going to stop after Election Day. Everyone should take note of that on both levels. They’re not going to let up and they should not and we should not.”

Oh, and by the way, since you brought President Trump into the discussion regarding the January 6th disturbance, Are you aware that the President authroized up to 20,000 national guard troops 2 weeks prior to the event? Are you aware that Mayor Bowser, Speaker Pelosi and the head of the Capitol police ALL DECLINED this use of soldiers to ensure that nothing got out of hand? THEY ALONE had the lawful authority to order the troops deployed to keep the peace, the President did not have that authority, he could only authorize their use and make them available.

[AirClassix]

Yes. Donald J Trump

Try to keep up Joseph, so as not to join those who look pretty ignorant here.  I referred to the BLM and related riots, as in PLURAL.  And I referred to those who have posted HERE.  Can you please provide the link to HIS post HERE?.

Dennis

[Joseph Lijoi]

This is what Trump actually said. This is a fact.

"I know your pain. Your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us. From me, from you and from our country.

This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So, go home, we love you, you’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You’ve seen the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace."

Congratulations Lijol..you just cemented a reputation here as a  LIAR.

Thanks for the compliment. I’m trying to keep up with the master liar, Donald J Trump. Did he make this wonderful speech sometime after he threw his lunch at the wall or after Hannity called. My lies don’t amount to much. Trumps lies cost the Nation.

[Chuck Matheny]

Thanks for the compliment. I’m trying to keep up with the master liar, Donald J Trump. Did he make this wonderful speech sometime after he threw his lunch at the wall or after Hannity called. My lies don’t amount to much. Trumps lies cost the Nation.

NOPE. I very easily proved what a liar you are..so don't try to make weak excuses  for the damage you did to your own reputation.
At this point I think the best thing you could do is to "Cowboy Up" and own it...then make a pact with yourself to be more honest in the future.

[Joseph Lijoi]

Shall we discuss the 574 BLM/Antifa riots all across the nation, all supported and encouraged by the "leaders" in the democratic party? The BILLIONS in property damage? The THOUSANDS injured? the 3000 police injured, and several killed? The entire sections of downtown Seattle and Portland taken over by armed mobs for months? The THOUSANDS of businesses looted? The DOZENS (possibly hundreds) of businesses burned to the ground? The police stations overrun, looted and burned? 
And here are the words of Kamala Harris about these "protests" on June 17 2020 during an appearance  on the Jimmy Kimmel show (so you can look the quote up yourself)

"“They’re not going to stop,” Harris said at the time. “This is a movement, I’m telling you. They’re not going to stop and everyone beware, because they’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop before Election Day in November and they’re not going to stop after Election Day. Everyone should take note of that on both levels. They’re not going to let up and they should not and we should not.”

Oh, and by the way, since you brought President Trump into the discussion regarding the January 6th disturbance, Are you aware that the President authroized up to 20,000 national guard troops 2 weeks prior to the event? Are you aware that Mayor Bowser, Speaker Pelosi and the head of the Capitol police ALL DECLINED this use of soldiers to ensure that nothing got out of hand? THEY ALONE had the lawful authority to order the troops deployed to keep the peace, the President did not have that authority, he could only authorize their use and make them available.

You white folks are crazy. Only the President can Federalize the National Guard. DC is not a state so they don’t have a National Guard. So Trump federalized a non existent National Guard but withdrew federalization because Nancy Pelosi advised him to. Whatever makes you happy.

[Joseph Lijoi]

NOPE. I very easily proved what a liar you are..so don't try to make weak excuses  for the damage you did to your own reputation.
At this point I think the best thing you could do is to "Cowboy Up" and own it...then make a pact with yourself to be more honest in the future.

Thanks. Your honesty is inspiring. Your proof makes you happy. That’s all that matters.

[Ken Culbertson]

You white folks are crazy. Only the President can Federalize the National Guard. DC is not a state so they don’t have a National Guard. So Trump federalized a non-existent National Guard but withdrew federalization because Nancy Pelosi advised him to. Whatever makes you happy.

DC does in fact have a National Guard and as far as I can tell Trump authorized their use, and state guards as well, in advance.  It was the Capitol Police and Sec Defense that had to actually call them up, that is where the ball was dropped or more likely put in a closet.   You are the first to inform me that Trump withdrew the authorization.  Where did that come from?
You might consider doing a google search on things before you post.  It took me less than 5 minutes to debunk all three of your claims.  Now can we actually drop this and get back to the really important issues facing our nation like monokoting concave curves.

Ken

[Chuck Matheny]

You white folks are crazy.

WOW....I hope LIJOL NEVER ACCUSES OTHERS OF BEING "RACISTS"...!!
Imagine the outrage if a Caucasian EVER SAID THE EXACT SAME THING about a Negro...?
If you Progressives didn't have DOUBLE STANDARDS you wouldn't have any standards at all...!! 

Lijol said...."Only the President can Federalize the National Guard. "

The DC Mayor and the Capitol Police  rejected Trump's  offer to authorize the NG.....MULTIPLE TIMES dating back to the previous summer.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dc-mayor-refused-trumps-offers-of-national-guard-aid-meadows-says/

 Lijol said..."DC is not a state so they don’t have a National Guard. So Trump federalized a non existent National Guard but withdrew federalization because Nancy Pelosi advised him to."

This is what THE CAPITOL POLICE CHIEF SAID HAPPENED....https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/pelosis-fault-speaker-pelosi-told-sgt-arms-deny-national-guard-capitol-due-optics-left-building-unprotected-must-resign/
DC Police Chief Sund Stated:
“Two days before Congress was set to formalize President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund was growing increasingly worried about the size of the pro-Trump crowds expected to stream into Washington in protest.

To be on the safe side, Sund asked House and Senate security officials for permission to request that the D.C. National Guard be placed on standby in case he needed quick backup.

But, Sund said Sunday, they turned him down.”

[Dan McEntee]

You white folks are crazy. Only the President can Federalize the National Guard. DC is not a state so they don’t have a National Guard. So Trump federalized a non existent National Guard but withdrew federalization because Nancy Pelosi advised him to. Whatever makes you happy.

    The National Guard was most certainly offered, and then refused, and then brought in after that fact, I think for the Inauguration?? . Nancy was in charge of that, just going from memory. Once on site, they discovered that no one thought ahead as to where they should be billeted, and rather than make some kind of decent, humane arrangement, she told them to just go stay in a local parking garage, in winter, with no facilities !! That's what I remember just off the cuff.
   There is no one more proficient at lying is that the Democratic Party! With the head fibber living in the White House! He's been at it for 50 years , but manages to get away with it. The list is endless! And it's all documented!! And a lot of it on video. Hillary lied about everything she said about Russian collusion in the fake dossier that she paid lots of money to have produced, and Adam Schiff lied about all the "irrefutable evidence" that he said he had that wasted tax payer time and money of a couple of impeachment trials that led nowhere. All that stiff gets forgotten with all the smoke and mirrors and other misdirection tactics that the MSM does for them. Grandpa Joe and Jill lie on their taxes and don't pay them on their little money laundering schemes that they have. I think the Biden family hold the record  for the number of red flags brought up before the FTG, SEC, and other federal agencies over their financial hijinks. Like the old saying goes, just follow the money, especially the bank accounts of those that never had any in the first place and got rich off of politics and back room dealing!!
   Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee
 
     

   

[Paul Smith]

Trains have been crashing since they invented the first one.

While it's handy to blame Biden or set the calendar back two years and blame Trump, train wrecks just somehow happen.  It seems to be related to huge force moving a huge amount of mass, just like ship wrecks.

With tons of chemicals spilled a controlled burn was the best solution to a bad situation.  If they were able to find fools in hazmat suits to mope it up the cleanup would drag out for years.  Then the issue of where to dump it would be an ongoing haggle.

[Joseph Lijoi]

DC does in fact have a National Guard and as far as I can tell Trump authorized their use, and state guards as well, in advance.  It was the Capitol Police and Sec Defense that had to actually call them up, that is where the ball was dropped or more likely put in a closet.   You are the first to inform me that Trump withdrew the authorization.  Where did that come from?
You might consider doing a google search on things before you post.  It took me less than 5 minutes to debunk all three of your claims.  Now can we actually drop this and get back to the really important issues facing our nation like monokoting concave curves.

Ken

You caught me. At times I am lazy

You are right. DC does have a National Guard:

"The D.C. National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54 states and territories, which reports only to the President. The D.C. National Guard provides mission-ready personnel and units for active duty in the armed services in the time of war or national emergency."

A google search of "Trump national guard" produces numerous hits similar to this:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/hannitys-tale-of-trumps-jan-6-national-guard-order-blows-up-in-his-face

You can do some research. As you said it will only take five minutes.

[Joseph Lijoi]

Just google "trump national guard".

Negro and Caucasian are obsolete terms. Trump doesn't say "some of my best friends are Negroes". At a Trump rally he doesn't point to Black folks and say "There are my Negroes". The Black folks that sit behind Trump at a rally do not wear "Negroes for Trump" shirts.

I am not suggesting that anyone is racist. In fact, some of my best friends are White folks. Their food is kind bland though.

[Chuck Matheny]

You caught me. At times I am lazy

You are right. DC does have a National Guard:

"The D.C. National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54 states and territories, which reports only to the President. The D.C. National Guard provides mission-ready personnel and units for active duty in the armed services in the time of war or national emergency."

A google search of "Trump national guard" produces numerous hits similar to this:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/hannitys-tale-of-trumps-jan-6-national-guard-order-blows-up-in-his-face

You can do some research. As you said it will only take five minutes.

This is what your source "The Daily Beast" claims.....Hannity’s Tale of Trump’s Jan. 6 National Guard Order Blows Up in His Face

I can not find where FOX / Hannity claimed that Trump ORDERED the NG...this looks like another lie to me.

This is what FOX actually reported......Trump says he requested 10K National Guard troops at Capitol on day of riot.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-requested-10k-national-guard-troops-at-capitol-on-day-of-riot

You've already cemented your reputation as a racist and a liar here...you did so yesterday.
Your word is mud to say the least.

[Joseph Lijoi]

    The National Guard was most certainly offered, and then refused, and then brought in after that fact, I think for the Inauguration?? . Nancy was in charge of that, just going from memory. Once on site, they discovered that no one thought ahead as to where they should be billeted, and rather than make some kind of decent, humane arrangement, she told them to just go stay in a local parking garage, in winter, with no facilities !! That's what I remember just off the cuff.
   There is no one more proficient at lying is that the Democratic Party! With the head fibber living in the White House! He's been at it for 50 years , but manages to get away with it. The list is endless! And it's all documented!! And a lot of it on video. Hillary lied about everything she said about Russian collusion in the fake dossier that she paid lots of money to have produced, and Adam Schiff lied about all the "irrefutable evidence" that he said he had that wasted tax payer time and money of a couple of impeachment trials that led nowhere. All that stiff gets forgotten with all the smoke and mirrors and other misdirection tactics that the MSM does for them. Grandpa Joe and Jill lie on their taxes and don't pay them on their little money laundering schemes that they have. I think the Biden family hold the record  for the number of red flags brought up before the FTG, SEC, and other federal agencies over their financial hijinks. Like the old saying goes, just follow the money, especially the bank accounts of those that never had any in the first place and got rich off of politics and back room dealing!!
   Type at you later,
    Dan McEntee
 
     

 

Donald J. Trump is the most honest, ethical, and effective President in the history of the Republic. Just ask him. He will tell you

[Arlan McKee]

With tons of chemicals spilled a controlled burn was the best solution to a bad situation.  If they were able to find fools in hazmat suits to mope it up the cleanup would drag out for years.  Then the issue of where to dump it would be an ongoing haggle.

It might not have been the best solution but it definitely was the cheapest solution and the fastest way to clear the track for traffic.

[Chuck Matheny]

Just google "trump national guard".

Negro and Caucasian are obsolete terms.

NOPE.
They are actually the MOST correct terms....don't you Libs always strive to "Trust the Science"...?   
Joseph "You white folks are crazy" Lijoi has proven to be a double standard loving racist and a habitual liar.
At this point all that's left is to play Wack-a-Mole with you.

[Joseph Lijoi]

NOPE.
They are actually the MOST correct terms....don't you Libs always strive to "Trust the Science"...?   
Joseph "You white folks are crazy" Lijoi has proven to be a double standard loving racist and a habitual liar.
At this point all that's left is to play Wack-a-Mole with you.

Sorry. I stand corrected.

You Caucasians are crazy.

[Dan McEntee]

Donald J. Trump is the most honest, ethical, and effective President in the history of the Republic. Just ask him. He will tell you

    When you look at his time in office and his general effectiveness, he just may very well have been!! My 401K and investments did pretty good in those 4 years. The world was probably at it's most peaceful state that anyone alive can remember. You don't like his personality. People generally don't like politicians and there is a line in a movie that says, "I'm a politician. That makes me a liar and when I'm kissing your baby I'm stealing his lollypop."  Trump in a more like a used car salesman, and people don't like those either, but a used car salesman knows business. Trump knows business and the way the markets and general business performed during his term is evidence that business people liked him and his policies. After the 2020 election, the very next day, things started sliding down hill because businesses and industry in the country and the world knew what was coming. It started with the oil industry and has snowed balled from there. Putin had no intentions of invading Ukraine before that. And of course he thought the election was stolen. Just look at the Biden/Harris ticket. Take Trump out of the picture and look at it at it's face value. Joe never got more that single digit returns in any of the primaries in his previous runs at the office. Kamala never had any support at all, because she is a bimbo with no vital experience in any areas of relevance and was the first one of the 2 dozen dem candidates to bow out because she couldn't raise ANY money and her campaign had no traction. She got the nod because her presence checked of a lot of boxes and her performance since then has proven all of her detractors  correct. The fact remains that the Biden-Harris ticket was the absolute best thing that the Democratic party could come up with?? You will never convince me that there were 80 some odd million people that voted for this train wreck. Not anyone living! There may have been some that voted AGAINST Trump out of that. When I went to bed election night, things were going pretty much along historical lines and the way it was predicted by most to  go. The Democrats voted heavily in pre-election voting, and took an early lead and as the day went on, Trump was catching up. The numbers showed that by a certain time that evening that most of the registered Democratic voters probably had voted by that time, and the areas yet to report historically voted Republican and the percentages would have favored Trump in the morning. But just like 2016, the midnight hour was the witching hour where things changed mysteriously, only in 2016, I think some one screwed up somewhere and Trump won the states he needed for the electoral college vote. That's why Hillary was SOOOO pissed off! She thought that she had the election bought and paid for !!! All the money that she paid for the fake Steele dossier was just wasted!! But in 2020, I think they doubled down on their efforts to make sure that it went according to plan. All the paid off judges that refused to look at cases and review evidence helped out also. We still have 20 some odd months of this train wreck to go and it will be interesting to see how it all plays out. We'll see who's money holds out, who has dirt on who, and see if Joe can keep from embarrassing himself and the country and doesn't get removed from office. The FBI and the Democrats spent a lot of time and money trying to discredit Trump and influence the election be creating all the fake news against him. That was an accusation before, but is a verified fact now. There are cases in courts reflecting the fact that this did influence the election and nullified people's votes. It will be a matter of which judges are on the pay roll and who isn't. Meanwhile, Grandpa Joe is going the bankrupt the country giving money that we don't have away, keep posing for photo ops, and come up with any other mis-direction and distraction tactics that his handlers can dream up. So in short, year, Trump could be the most honest , ethical and effective president in history, with maybe the exception of Truman, and I'm sure the ground around his grave is rumbling all the time!!
   Type at you later,
   Dan McEntee

[Chuck Matheny]

Sorry. I stand corrected.

You Caucasians are crazy.

Just as racist..but at this point I don't expect you to be capable of understanding why.