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General control line discussion => Open Forum => Topic started by: Steve Dwyer on February 17, 2023, 08:35:59 AM
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How sad the public has to fall to the consequences of big $$$ corporate profits when a mishap happens like here. One day you tell your kids you love them the next day you tell them not to drink the water or breath the air with no definitive hope in site.
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How sad the public has to fall to the consequences of big $$$ corporate profits when a mishap happens like here. One day you tell your kids you love them the next day you tell them not to drink the water or breath the air with no definitive hope in site.
Do you have a factual point to make, or do you have only garment-rending emotionalism?
Brett
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Do you have a factual point to make, or do you have only garment-rending emotionalism?
Brett
I betting on the latter.
The real question is; how did this happen with the brilliant Mayor Pete at the helm of the Transportation Administration?
Derek
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The train totaled 151 cars — equating to about 9,300 feet in length — and weighed 18,000 tons, which is much larger than employees said was safe."
https://nypost.com/2023/02/16/toxic-train-broke-down-two-days-before-ohio-derailment-workers/
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Bret,
"garment rendering emotionalism", that's a clever response. Yes it has affected me somewhat emotionally, we have friends that live in Ohio, not directly affected but it brings to mind the hopelessness people feel when a disaster occurs, response information is scanty and lives are affected.
Steve
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Bret,
"garment rendering emotionalism", that's a clever response. Yes it has affected me somewhat emotionally, we have friends that live in Ohio, not directly affected but it brings to mind the hopelessness people feel when a disaster occurs, response information is scanty and lives are affected.
Steve
I agree, it is a terrible situation, and I feel bad for those involved. Everybody cares.
However, getting all weepy over the tragedy of it all *does not solve any problems*, in this or any other case. You are making an appeal to emotion to support your dislike of "big $$$ corporate profits" - when you have absolutely no information that supports that as the cause, and therefore has no way to resolve it. Not to mention it, yet again, depends on the premise that there is an ongoing war between classes. There is not, this is a construct of the left.
This is why this sort of stereotypical liberal response is so irritating - it's just more of the same irrational emotionalism, which is an *absolute cancer* to society, as evidenced by endless recent events (Wuhan flu, George Floyd, global warming, etc).
Brett
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How is it emotionalism is a cancer to society? Isn't that a bit of a stretch to say? If the left remained quiet, no one spoke up and these events were allowed to just dissipate with time does that solve or accomplish anything? No question I think we are all sick and tired of the same old ranting and wining whether it be police brutality, lack of gun control, mass shootings or events lacking regulation. But what do do you recommend as a solution or an approach? How is it fixed??
It's very frustrating (hopeless) when you are at the receiving end of the punch. Already it's Mayor Pete's problem, this Ohio mess will end in a congressional review years to come with only proposed stronger regulations and restrictions to the rail system profiteers. The Republicans will claim it a sham, over reaction and a means of taking profits away from their constituents. In the mean time a woman in Ohio has no drinking water, the air in her home is contaminated and she has no place for her and her kids to live. As for George Floyd, or the Ahmaud Arbery lynching would anything have happened without a voice and movement? the Georgia DA tried to ignore it for months. I'd still like to hear how emotionalism is a cancer to society when society is out of control. You're on!
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How is it emotionalism is a cancer to society?
Because it usually prevents an effective fix for the problem from being implemented while we rally around the emotional one. We leap to put massive regulations on the already massively regulated rail industry. And after we regulate them to death, we can switch to protesting the decline of our retirement accounts. I am willing to bet that when we get the precise cause of this accident we are going to find that someone didn't follow the existing regulations and/or company policy and, as our knee jerks, we will blame the company and the government followed shortly, or in this case sooner, blame Trump.
Ken
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How is it emotionalism is a cancer to society? Isn't that a bit of a stretch to say? If the left remained quiet, no one spoke up and these events were allowed to just dissipate with time does that solve or accomplish anything? No question I think we are all sick and tired of the same old ranting and wining whether it be police brutality, lack of gun control, mass shootings or events lacking regulation. But what do do you recommend as a solution or an approach? How is it fixed??
It's very frustrating (hopeless) when you are at the receiving end of the punch. Already it's Mayor Pete's problem, this Ohio mess will end in a congressional review years to come with only proposed stronger regulations and restrictions to the rail system profiteers. The Republicans will claim it a sham, over reaction and a means of taking profits away from their constituents. In the mean time a woman in Ohio has no drinking water, the air in her home is contaminated and she has no place for her and her kids to live. As for George Floyd, or the Ahmaud Arbery lynching would anything have happened without a voice and movement? the Georgia DA tried to ignore it for months. I'd still like to hear how emotionalism is a cancer to society when society is out of control. You're on!
First of all, the left didn't speak up. This derailment happened on Feb 3rd. I knew about it by the 4th. On the 6th, the brilliant decision to have a "controlled release" happened, spreading these toxic chemicals into the air and surrounding area. Here you are on the 17th proclaiming to be "the voice" of the people... When did you learn about it? Yesterday, when CNN decided to finally report on it?
Your "gun control" argument has been debunked long ago. Perhaps, if leftist judges would quit releasing the people that cause 99% of the gun crime in this country, we would see an improvement.
In regards to Ohio; where is FIMA? Why is the EPA saying it's no big deal, when it clearly is?
The fact that you would compare Floyd, a violent criminal, to Aubrey a kid out for a jog, shows you have no real opinion on these matters. You just repeat the standard leftist talking point.
Go home, and try again.
Derek
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I will preface this with - I don't think Steve is a bad guy with malicious intent, and I certainly don't know anything to make me assume he is a bad guy - just wildly midirecting is energy....
How is it emotionalism is a cancer to society? Isn't that a bit of a stretch to say? If the left remained quiet, no one spoke up and these events were allowed to just dissipate with time does that solve or accomplish anything?
Because while you are wailing with torment or claiming victimhood from mysterious forces, you *aren't doing anything useful to solve the problem*. If you are angry about some problem, channel that into something effective. No one said you had to remain quiet (and you and the like-minded certainly aren't..) But it accomplishes nothing at all, and it shows you have no interest in a solution to whateveer problem you are talking about.
Of course you *can't* do that, because you have already defined the enemy/problem incorrectly as a matter of faith, and therefore decide on ineffective or counter-productive solutions. For example:
No question I think we are all sick and tired of the same old ranting and wining whether it be police brutality, lack of gun control, mass shootings or events lacking regulation. But what do do you recommend as a solution or an approach? How is it fixed??
Listen to yourself - every one of those "problems" is either incorrectly defined, or *caused by responding to emotionalism*. Your philosophy, wrong, has shaped your view of the world and the forces in it, so it is also wrong. So it is literally impossible for you to see any effective solution.
You have no answers because your philosphy is dedicated to *destroying the fabric of western society* that used to prevent these situations, or limit it. And, you don't even bother with several inconvenient facts - that gun control is literally illegal, mass shootings and violent crime in general are *way down* compared to historical levels over, say, the last 75 years. Except for placed where strict gun control is in place, or claimed - like Chicago.
I am not saying you did it, but people who think similarly were marching down New York streets less than 3 years ago shouting "what do we want? Dead Cops! When do we want it? NOW!". You have convinced a large segment of the population that the cops are out hunting them and are the enemy - what do you think that does to police encounters? It's a darn good way to get otherwise good kids killed - like the kid in St. Louis who got shot when he tried to assault an officer and take his gun.
Many places greatly reduced police budget, wow, crime skyrocketed. Seattle ceded an entire section of the city and abandoned a police station that had been attacked, and gee, guess what, the CHOP vigilante squads immediately turned it into Soweto.
So, what has been done to date in the service of leftist principles has done nothing but *make these problems worse*. Your solution - do it some more! It's a classic positive feedback loop.
The last 50-60 years have been nothing but an attack on every foundational principle of the USA and Western civilization. You are having an effect (that most people predicted - chaos and degeneracy), and now you are looking for other boogeymen to blame it on, in order to justify redoubling our efforts.
Want to change it? DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT! That will take a very fundamental change in the way you view the world and society and an admission that your philosphy has caused it.
You got into this situation because many people have lied to you for all your life, they are manipulating you to create this situation, and are exploiting it for their own ends. That is the first and most important thing to recognize, if you do not, then you will never get past that stumbling block.
Or double down, keep wringing you hands and screaming "won't someone PLEASE think of the children!!!" and blaming everyone else for the situation. And watch it all continue to slide downhill.
Brett
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The real question is; how did this happen with the brilliant Mayor Pete at the helm of the Transportation Administration?
Are you saying being gay, and briefly the mayor of a small midwest town, does not adequately prepare one for being in charge of a hugely complicated and technically advanced transportation system in the biggest economy in the world? Heaven forfend!
Of the Biden administration, Buttigieg is by far one of the most competent and sane people involved. He is not a raving leftist lunatic or mentally deficient. In any case, there is layer upon layer of bureaucracy between Pete and the people actually doing something - which is just another symptom os Steve's problem.
Of the 2020 Democrat field, Pete was by far the best (in my opinion) candidate, in that he wasn't clinically insane.
Brett
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Of the 2020 Democrat field, Pete was by far the best (in my opinion) candidate, in that he wasn't clinically insane.
Brett
Too funny! Maybe AOC could be the VP then LL~ And Fetterneck could be Secretary of state
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Of the 2020 Democrat field, Pete was by far the best (in my opinion) candidate, in that he wasn't clinically insane.
Brett
Brett, you are on a roll today - keep going!
Ken
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Too funny! Maybe AOC could be the VP then LL~ And Fetterneck could be Secretary of state
Kamala is hardly any better than AOC, and she laughs bizarrely at inappropriate times over some joke we are not in on - or was delivered by the voices in her head.
I genuinely don't have any big problem with Buttigieg, he seems far more sensible than almost any of them.
Brett
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I just watched a Youtube video of what the tracks look like in that area. Every 5 feet there was a kink. If the train was moving faster than 5MPH I don't know how it could not derail. Where is all road and rail maintenance?
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Having a hard time believing that the ground water contaminants tested at only 3 PBB (parts per billion). I believe a lot of what spilled and burned are petro-chemical.
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Because while you are wailing with torment or claiming victimhood from mysterious forces, you *aren't doing anything useful to solve the problem*. If you are angry about some problem, channel that into something effective. No one said you had to remain quiet (and you and the like-minded certainly aren't..) But it accomplishes nothing at all, and it shows you have no interest in a solution to whateveer problem you are talking about.
Bret,
This is a bit of grandstanding on your part. It's ludicrous for you to say "you" have no interest in the solution. in my opening I asked you what was your solution to the problem, but instead you responded by elaborating how the left simply complains accomplishing nothing. On a broad brush the "complainers" have consistently recommended solutions or change only to be met with absolute resistance. It'd take more time than I want to spend to elaborate on this point and I feel would fall on deaf ears unfortunately. In the Ohio case, the company would not even respond to the public's request for information. If we can't communicate without it being called emotionalism nothing is achievable. Take away politics, partisan polarization, radicalism and hatred we may come to terms and even accomplish something. More specifically how a railroad maintains its equipment balanced against profits comes down to why we have such accidents. Look I'm a retired registered Republican who owned and ran (survived) his own business for almost 30 years but I'm sick of the BS in Washington and radicalized politicians serving personal interests that should not be in office because they lack the principles and capacity to do what they were hired for. That goes for Democrats and Republicans. It's high time to listen!
On a more desirable topic attached is a shot of my just covered PDK Ringmaster Bipe 45 awaiting paint. OS LA 46 up front.
Steve
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How sad the public has to fall to the consequences of big $$$ corporate profits when a mishap happens like here. One day you tell your kids you love them the next day you tell them not to drink the water or breath the air with no definitive hope in site.
So, a massive derailment happens. There are millions in property damage, both the the railroad and to the immediate infrastructure, many people hurt and many animals dead. Plus both the railroad and the owner of the chemicals that spilled got an enormous public relations black eye.
So where, exactly, does a drive for "massive corporate profits" fit into this scenario?
Gary
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This is why this sort of stereotypical liberal response is so irritating - it's just more of the same irrational emotionalism, which is an *absolute cancer* to society, as evidenced by endless recent events (Wuhan flu, George Floyd, global warming, etc).
Brett
Once again, Brett hits the nail precisely on the head. y1
I can't support the view of Buttigieg on any level though, he's just a creepy little puppet IMO.
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I just watched a Youtube video of what the tracks look like in that area. Every 5 feet there was a kink. If the train was moving faster than 5MPH I don't know how it could not derail. Where is all road and rail maintenance?
What you state is physically impossible to achieve. When you look at a picture of railroad tracks that look horribly warped and kinked, what you are usually seeing it a shot taken looking straight down the tracks with a telephoto lens, and this invariably renders this very misleading visual image. The reality is a tiny fraction of the appearance. While there is no such thing as absolute perfection in maintaining of the tracks, Rest assured that all class 1 railroads place tremendous emphasis on safety and maintaining the right of way. Derailments can cost them enormous sums of money in property damage, liability for injuries/deaths as well as a host of federal fines, penalties and other various law suits. Proper track care is pretty cheap insurance, the railroads know this. A number of factors can be involved here that are outside the control of the railroad, including, but not limited to, weather (temperature extremes are very hard on track) and deliberate sabotage.
Gary
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What you state is physically impossible to achieve. When you look at a picture of railroad tracks that look horribly warped and kinked, what you are usually seeing it a shot taken looking straight down the tracks with a telephoto lens, and this invariably renders this very misleading visual image. The reality is a tiny fraction of the appearance. While there is no such thing as absolute perfection in maintaining of the tracks, Rest assured that all class 1 railroads place tremendous emphasis on safety and maintaining the right of way. Derailments can cost them enormous sums of money in property damage, liability for injuries/deaths as well as a host of federal fines, penalties and other various law suits. Proper track care is pretty cheap insurance, the railroads know this. A number of factors can be involved here that are outside the control of the railroad, including, but not limited to, weather (temperature extremes are very hard on track) and deliberate sabotage.
Gary
I will find the video and post it. But don't believe your eyes.
https://youtu.be/9X2A2f6E5DI
While this is not the same train it does show the poor maintenance of the tracks
https://youtu.be/7Ao-24274Jw
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I will find the video and post it. But don't believe your eyes.
https://youtu.be/9X2A2f6E5DI
While this is not the same train it does show the poor maintenance of the tracks
https://youtu.be/7Ao-24274Jw
The video you just posted has nothing to do with the derailment in question! The derailment was caused by a defect in a wheel on a car. probably a journal bearing, that caused one wheel set to derail, leading to more and It took place on the Norfolk Southern's main line. The video you linked is on a small class 3 branch line serving a very limited number of customers, and any operations on such track have strict limits regarding both weight and speed. The telephoto lens used in this video (A) makes it appear vastly worse than it is, and (B) its played at 8X speed (obtained that info from another source), again making things appear vastly worse than they are. Thge two are simply not connected.
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Connected or not Which I stated in the post shows the disarray and mismanagement of the infrastructure funds. Where is the money going? Does anyone see any building of anything? Both sides are guilty of miss management but Pothole Pete is the worst.
This regime is the most corrupt and inefficient is US history. I bet Obummer is glad about that Along with Jimmy. Those guys can exhale a sigh of relief.
I'm sure I am missing something but we have a guy who thinks he's a woman a supreme court justice who can't tell you what a woman is. A nuclear waste guy stealing woman's cloths (of course he'll get off) we have a guy who took Maternity leave (I wonder how breastfeeding went) before he came back to a shipping catastrophe. We have morons in congress who think Guam is going to capsize and one who never saw a Garbage disposal. Shall I go on? We are watching our country being flushed.
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I'm sure I am missing something but we have a guy who thinks he's a woman a supreme court justice who can't tell you what a woman is. A nuclear waste guy stealing woman's cloths (of course he'll get off) we have a guy who took Maternity leave (I wonder how breastfeeding went) before he came back to a shipping catastrophe. We have morons in congress who think Guam is going to capsize and one who never saw a Garbage disposal. Shall I go on? We are watching our country being flushed.
Trust me Robert, the woke nonsense you mention isn't specific to the US.
We've had the Scottish 1st minister (Since resigned) pass a law allowing people aged 16+ in Scotland to gender self identify. What could possibly go wrong? Well, for starters a male rapist decided to identify as a woman and briefly got placed in a woman's prison. (All necessary plumbing was still in place). Talk about a kid in a candy store.
We have the police trying to reason with protesters who have super glued themselves to the road to save the planet and then arrest someone who forcibly removes one of them so he can get to work.
We have had someone being arrested for "Private (Silent) prayer" within 100 yards of an abortion clinic.
But it's not all bad, I've decided to self identify as a lesbian trapped in a male body and of course you got "Ginge and Whinge" (Harry and Meghan). Good luck with that. H^^ na#
TTFN
John.
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So, a massive derailment happens. There are millions in property damage, both the the railroad and to the immediate infrastructure, many people hurt and many animals dead. Plus both the railroad and the owner of the chemicals that spilled got an enormous public relations black eye.
So where, exactly, does a drive for "massive corporate profits" fit into this scenario?
Gary
The N-S Railroad reported profits up 9% to 3.27 Billion for last year. Where does this fit into the scenario of a massive accident now being blamed on poor maintenance?? I'm lost on this question.
Steve
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The N-S Railroad reported profits up 9% to 3.27 Billion for last year. Where does this fit into the scenario of a massive accident now being blamed on poor maintenance?? I'm lost on this question.
Steve
So their profit is up. So? Do you have evidence that there is direct correlation between corporate profit and this derailment? The way you stated your post seems to indicate that you are one of these people who hears the term corporate profit, and automatically equates this with corruption and greed. I hope I am wrong on that, but it is a fact that profit is THE ONLY reason that ANY business has EVER been started. I see a lot of people who get very worked up at the mere mention of corporate profits. Problem is its not their concern. The only people to whom this should matter are the shareholders.
Gary
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The N-S Railroad reported profits up 9% to 3.27 Billion for last year. Where does this fit into the scenario of a massive accident now being blamed on poor maintenance?? I'm lost on this question.
Who says it has anything at all to do with it? Or are you just assuming that it does? As Derek notes above - the environmental impact (probably not a disaster...) was caused by pouring the chemicals in a ditch and igniting them - with, by all accounts, EPA thumbs up. Was it a necessary evil - controlled burn to prevent an explosion in a bad circumstance - or malfeasance? What is the true impact to nearby residents (specifically), and was that a better option than just letting it blow at random?
The factual answer to all those questions is - neither you, nor I, nor anyone else, actually knows.
Your comment above illustrated my point - your perspective/philosophy prevents you from even asking legitimate questions, you immediately and without any objective evidence assume that some large corporation, taking profits at the expense of safety, must be the cause. You have absolutely no information to support it, but that is beside the point, apparently. That's what I meant about emotionalism, your gut reaction is to blame a rich guy, so, therefore, that must be true.
It's entirely possible that Norfolk-Southern is to blame, I have no idea and neither do you. But I guarantee they *will* be blamed in the court of public opinion, because journalists for the most part have exactly the same defect in their reasoning as you do, and can only see a chance to exploit this opportunity to further their/your cause, facts be damned, let's take to the streets! Burn a few SUVs, put some CEOs in jail, we are MAD, we want blood! IOW - completely irrational.
Brett
p.s. To your other comment - why would I offer a solution to a problem that has not been defined, or for which I have no direct information? And for which I am probably unqualfied to solve in any case? That's exactly what I mean, public sensationalism shouldn't be taking the place of a proper evaluation by relevant experts - not journalists, politicians, political appointees, the ladies on the View, or Steve Dwyer. That's how problems used be solved. This is how "public policy sensationalists" have taken over and systematically destroyed even the notion of careful evaluation by experts.
You, in the very first post, skipped all those inconvenient and boring steps, and immediately started blaming someone. *THAT* is the emotionalism trumping objective reasoning skills.
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After twenty years in uniform, I decided to make a change in 1987 and embarked into the civilian world once more. Around the beginning of 2009, there was hardly a day that I didn't wish I was still wearing that uniform again. Many on here can probably relate to the way I was beginning to feel. I felt safe in that uniform; I had things under control in that uniform; I had responsibilities in that uniform; most of all people depended on me in that uniform. All of the things that are going down in our society now of days has caused me to feel as if those twenty years were a waste of my youth. Our country is being tourn apart by all of the lies and deception that is being fed to our society on a daily basis. Liberal Socialist and the WOKE movement are trying and succeeding to re-write history. Media outlets glorify the destruction of our history. There is an expanding movement to hold a particular section of society responsible for things that took place well over two hundred years ago, many of which are exaggerated for impact. Many things that are happening today have occurred in one shape our another in recent history that resulted in some very dark times for the human race. The recent balloon fiasco, and the train derailment in point. Blame it on everything other than the real source of origin. I'm 75 years old now and still wish I was back in that uniform. Anyone who served with me or worked for me, would tell you how I would handle the "Wokeness" that is trying to infiltrate our branches of the military...let's say I had opinions and no fear to express them. (Ty knows) To paraphrase Brett..."You have been lied to."
Norm
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I'm 75 years old now and still wish I was back in that uniform.
Me too - Ken
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Check this out, I wish I owned stock in N-S railroad.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/17/business/energy-environment/norfolk-southern-derailment-safety.html
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Check this out, I wish I owned stock in N-S railroad.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/17/business/energy-environment/norfolk-southern-derailment-safety.html
None of which tells you anything about this particular case, and hardly comes from an objective source.
As noted, journalists have the same logical reasoning flaw/blind spot - they are setting up the prosecution in the court of public opinion, on the premise of class warfare, i. e. rich people are bad and caused this with their greed. With may be true, may not be, we have absolutely no information.
Brett
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The Big Guy visits the Ukraine today with an extra $500 million in hand.
Ohio gets the bird.
Al
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The Big Guy visits the Ukraine today with an extra $500 million in hand.
Ohio gets the bird.
Al
Ohio is a red state. What did you expect?
Ken
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Ken,
The old guy is over there spending money because he expects the deep pocketed N-S railroad to handle their own mess. Probably a little "I told you so" after the prior adminstration took away the regulations he has been trying to reinstate.
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I understand the Railroad involved in the derailment is owned largely by "Blackrock" and J/P. Morgan, the ESG people. This may explain the lack of complaints by the anti-capitalists. :!
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An opportunity to learn a bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzpcWNcJr0U
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Thanks, Bill. This guy did a nice video on distributed power configuration trains, too.
Dave
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=distributed+power+unit+trains&&view=detail&mid=04F347ADB91EFC7E9A1C04F347ADB91EFC7E9A1C&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Ddistributed%2520power%2520unit%2520trains%26qs%3Dn%26form%3DQBVR%26%3D%2525eManage%2520Your%2520Search%2520History%2525E%26sp%3D-1%26pq%3Ddistributed%2520power%2520unit%2520trains%26sc%3D10-29%26sk%3D%26cvid%3D1DF84B9BB4B94160B885E99F86A3EA6C%26ghsh%3D0%26ghacc%3D0%26ghpl%3D
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Well folks we've had a little breathing time here, so in case you missed the CNN constructed town hall meeting in Palestine last night hosted by Jake Tapper and Sara Sidner narrating two separated groups of town folk I'd say you missed some entertainment.
Everyone had their chance in the two and one half hours to express their fears, discuss health issues and anger. The N-S CEO Alan Shaw showed up, he's a pretty cool cucumber with a lot of apologies and no real answers except to say "I'm with you I promise" but I really can't say much right now pending the NTSB report but in reality we all know the N-S lawyers threatened to castrate him if he said anything more. He acted like the well paid running back that had to take some hits. He had little choice, he knew very well the stockholder fans would be paying close attention. Probably the biggest fat lip was when one homeowner with his property closest to the accident site said "Your Company Stinks". Alan reached for the tissue box on that one...just kidding.
Of course gov. Dewine came in and went so far to say he would agree to stay overnight in Palestine in a show of compassion but of course more so to attempt to retain what he could of the 4700 voters that live there. Biden's EPA czar Mike Regan came in with both six shooters drawn from both holsters aimed at N-S. The Ohio health commissioner came forward with his open arm pitch and promised hugs for all, I'm not sure whether to call him the good doctor or the good politician.
I think one take away was a mom in the audience asking Shaw if it was normal for a train to continue on fire for 20 miles. Another wanted to know why something wasn't done when calls to 911 went out that a train steaming for Palestine was on fire. But most importantly the folks asked if N-S's shallow promise to assure their town now a Love Canal would be brought back to normal was displayed in the way they immediately simply laid new tracks over the chemically saturated leacheating ground so the trains could continue to run. One said it was a little unnerving to see 50 trains a day now pass by the smoldering wreckage. Business as usual!!
So what's next, JD Vance promises some action by calling for an investigation in Washington. Trump visits Palestine yesterday blaming the accident on Joe Biden, thank God he didn't toss out paper towel rolls. Buttigieg is visiting today and will probably say the railroads must spend some money to be safe. And of course Shaw returns to his cushy Florida lifestyle enjoying a $4.4m annual salary while his team mates pat him on the back stepping of his private jet saying good job no yardage but let's talk about winning the next one.
If you're bored now and would like some real enlightenment look up the former head of the FRA Ditmeyer's article on the state of the railroads. Scary stuff.
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The train had a mechanical failure (axle breaking?) prior to derailing, it also didn't meet the requirements to be equipped with ECP braking system even if the FAST ACT was passed so the accident was no fault of anyone in Washington past or present, so unless someone in maintenance dropped the ball inspecting the cars it was just bad luck.
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Well folks we've had a little breathing time here, so in case you missed the CNN constructed town hall meeting in Palestine last night hosted by Jake Tapper and Sara Sidner narrating two separated groups of town folk I'd say you missed some entertainment.
Everyone had their chance in the two and one half hours to express their fears, discuss health issues and anger......
Proving my point better than I ever could! This is exactly the blind spot/warped perspective I was warning you about.
How many of those people have any training or knowledge of any technical topic, much less expertise in railroad operations or chemical toxicity? So what material value is a "town hall" of wails of torment and hand-wringing about safety? Next up, the gals from "The View" discussing loop quantum gravity!
Just so much fatuous emotionalizing, a televised group therapy session, those terrible rich people did it to us again! It adds nothing of value to preventing this supposed "tragedy", a cataclysmic event wherein, so far, no one has been detectably harmed and the left's own chosen experts (the beloved-of-the-left EPA) have said there is no cause for concern. The court of public opinion/mob rules, off with their heads!
Brett
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The train had a mechanical failure (axle breaking?) prior to derailing, it also didn't meet the requirements to be equipped with ECP braking system even if the FAST ACT was passed so the accident was no fault of anyone in Washington past or present, so unless someone in maintenance dropped the ball inspecting the cars it was just bad luck.
All true, but what good is a tragedy if you can't blame it on Trump? What interests me is how these chemicals which are supposed to end life as we know it in Eastern Ohio or blow Palestine off of the map not be considered either toxic or hazardous?
Bottom line, someone in the company screwed the pooch on this one. Government can do nothing but make it worse.
Ken
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Oh Pete...
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Brett,
The town folks want answers N-S should be giving them. These people have no scientific or medical knowledge about the spilled chemicals, they are far from experts and don't pretend to be. They simply want to know if their town will be left clean and free of "potentially cancer causing chemicals" particularly in the future. It's based on fear, and a normal reaction the average homeowner will have when their lives are affected. Even you quite possibly would feel a bit concerned if a near by disaster took place. Tell me you wouldn't attend a town meeting fraught with questions if your drinking water had been contaminated.
Palestine's issue is potentially the tip of the iceberg to the same old problem the public has experienced for years. Look up the number of Superfund Sites that exist if you don't believe it. That's how these people are thinking. In years to come if the good people in Palestine start experiencing unusual illness will you still label it "hand-ringing emotionalism"? It's time to display some empathy for these folks.
Steve
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Trump did it. Loosened the Obama regulations. Cars carrying dangerous substances would have had auto activated brakes in the event of a derailment. Trump caved into Billion dollar rail lobby.
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Trump did it. Loosened the Obama regulations. Cars carrying dangerous substances would have had auto activated brakes in the event of a derailment. Trump caved into Billion dollar rail lobby.
It's not Trump's fault...George Stephenson is the one directly responsible for it.
Norm
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Again, perhaps a bit of factual information instead of the .... above.
The NTSB report: https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Documents/RRD23MR005%20East%20Palestine%20OH%20Prelim.pdf
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Trump advocated the deregulation. His administration did it.
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Trump never pays anybody. Does he have 500 million? Did he ever. Interesting how a Jersey business guy never talked to any of the independent contractors who built the AC Trump disaster casino.
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Trump advocated the deregulation. His administration did it.
You seem to have all of the answers. Just what regulations did Trump repeal and how would they have prevented this accident. The train was under the speed limit, the track sensors worked, the crew was alerted, the emergency braking system worked. A bearing overheated faster than the sensors could detect it. It is called "SH** HAPPENS". I am sure they will find something that was not done to specs but I seriously doubt that the regulations themselves had anything to do with this disaster.
Ken
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Trump never pays anybody. Does he have 500 million? Did he ever. Interesting how a Jersey business guy never talked to any of the independent contractors who built the AC Trump disaster casino.
Trump brought in pallets of water in tractor trailers for the people in the affected area. Biden to the people of East Palestine, your SOL. n1
FYI, I know independent contractors that did construction work for Trump in NJ and said Trump paid on time and they like working for him.
Al
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You guys. Brought some water. Yeah. Well what happened in Flint. They got no water. The Shopright down the street just brought in a tractor trailer of water. Biden was in Ukraine trying to help a country fighting for its life, fighting for DEMOCRACY, a whole country savaged by Putin the man Trump sucks up to constantly. DEMOCRACY, you couch potato wannabees. DEMOCRACY which the TRUMPER wants to suspend because he lost an election fair and square. You call yourselves PATRIOTS and support the insurrection. The Trumper lies on his taxes, DOES not pay anyone he can get away with not paying, his lawyers quitting, doesn't even pay them. What an ugly corrosive human being. Go live in North Korea, talk about an enslaved population, Trump loves the guy who makes that bleak horror of a country. Go live in Russia where they kill and torture anyone who steps out of line a little bit.
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Maybe it is just me but Dennis, I am getting the impression that you don't like Trump.
Ken
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You guys. Brought some water. Yeah. Well what happened in Flint. They got no water. The Shopright down the street just brought in a tractor trailer of water. Biden was in Ukraine trying to help a country fighting for its life, fighting for DEMOCRACY, a whole country savaged by Putin the man Trump sucks up to constantly. DEMOCRACY, you couch potato wannabees. DEMOCRACY which the TRUMPER wants to suspend because he lost an election fair and square. You call yourselves PATRIOTS and support the insurrection. The Trumper lies on his taxes, DOES not pay anyone he can get away with not paying, his lawyers quitting, doesn't even pay them. What an ugly corrosive human being. Go live in North Korea, talk about an enslaved population, Trump loves the guy who makes that bleak horror of a country. Go live in Russia where they kill and torture anyone who steps out of line a little bit.
https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/04/13/in-video-ukrainian-soldiers-confirm-they-were-ordered-to-kill-civilians-in-rubezhnoe/
FAKE / STAGED AIR RAID SIREN THE MOMENT BIDEN TAKES PHOTO-OP STROLL WITH ZELENSKY...DONE FOR DRAMATIC EFFECT.. LL~....https://ijr.com/something-strange-video-biden-zelenskyy-walking-kyiv/
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You guys. Brought some water. Yeah. Well what happened in Flint. They got no water. The Shopright down the street just brought in a tractor trailer of water. Biden was in Ukraine trying to help a country fighting for its life, fighting for DEMOCRACY, a whole country savaged by Putin the man Trump sucks up to constantly. DEMOCRACY, you couch potato wannabees. DEMOCRACY which the TRUMPER wants to suspend because he lost an election fair and square. You call yourselves PATRIOTS and support the insurrection. The Trumper lies on his taxes, DOES not pay anyone he can get away with not paying, his lawyers quitting, doesn't even pay them. What an ugly corrosive human being. Go live in North Korea, talk about an enslaved population, Trump loves the guy who makes that bleak horror of a country. Go live in Russia where they kill and torture anyone who steps out of line a little bit.
Flint has been under Democrat leadership for decades, and the problem was discovered in 2014, while your favorite President was in office. Why didn't the democrats do anything about it?
Also, we live in a REPUBLIC!
Derek
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You guys. Brought some water. Yeah. Well what happened in Flint. They got no water. The Shopright down the street just brought in a tractor trailer of water. Biden was in Ukraine trying to help a country fighting for its life, fighting for DEMOCRACY, a whole country savaged by Putin the man Trump sucks up to constantly. DEMOCRACY, you couch potato wannabees. DEMOCRACY which the TRUMPER wants to suspend because he lost an election fair and square. You call yourselves PATRIOTS and support the insurrection. The Trumper lies on his taxes, DOES not pay anyone he can get away with not paying, his lawyers quitting, doesn't even pay them. What an ugly corrosive human being. Go live in North Korea, talk about an enslaved population, Trump loves the guy who makes that bleak horror of a country. Go live in Russia where they kill and torture anyone who steps out of line a little bit.
Russiagate has really gone to your head hasn’t it? It was fake and made up by Hillary.
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php
Biden in Ukraine is him continuing to pump money for a proxy war with a nuclear power in the Russia. But it was probably trumps fault as well.
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Trump did it. Loosened the Obama regulations. Cars carrying dangerous substances would have had auto activated brakes in the event of a derailment. Trump caved into Billion dollar rail lobby.
The NTSB has already issued a statement saying even if FAST ACT was in place this train didn't meet the requirements to have ECP brakes, this was just a horrible accident and not the fault of anyone in Washington past or present.
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TDS is real.
Al
https://youtu.be/UzbUfn5WSmg
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You guys. Brought some water. Yeah. Well what happened in Flint. They got no water. The Shopright down the street just brought in a tractor trailer of water. Biden was in Ukraine trying to help a country fighting for its life, fighting for DEMOCRACY, a whole country savaged by Putin the man Trump sucks up to constantly. DEMOCRACY, you couch potato wannabees. DEMOCRACY which the TRUMPER wants to suspend because he lost an election fair and square. You call yourselves PATRIOTS and support the insurrection. The Trumper lies on his taxes, DOES not pay anyone he can get away with not paying, his lawyers quitting, doesn't even pay them. What an ugly corrosive human being. Go live in North Korea, talk about an enslaved population, Trump loves the guy who makes that bleak horror of a country. Go live in Russia where they kill and torture anyone who steps out of line a little bit.
Dennis you should put your play writing skills for a better use. n1
Al
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TDS is real.
Al
https://youtu.be/UzbUfn5WSmg
Looks like all she needs is a Broom, Black Cape & and Hat. With any luck. She would just fly away and get lost.
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An opportunity to learn a bit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzpcWNcJr0U
This is our "labor unintensive" solution for track maintenance.
Last I heard they EMPLOY THOUSANDS of the "Untouchable Street People" of India to keep the tracks clear and to report major problems.
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Russiagate has really gone to your head hasn’t it? It was fake and made up by Hillary.
https://www.cjr.org/special_report/trumped-up-press-versus-president-part-1.php
Biden in Ukraine is him continuing to pump money for a proxy war with a nuclear power in the Russia. But it was probably trumps fault as well.
Good morning Matt....
I think our MSM brainwashed, social trend addicted folk mean well...they just lack critical thinking skills.
They never test the feasibility of anything that [[[RACHEL]]] presents to them as fact
I run into people like him every day who still believe that Trump told America that we should inject ourselves with Clorox as a cure for CV19... and that what happened Jan 6 was "the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor.......LL~
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Looks like all she needs is a Broom, Black Cape & and Hat. With any luck. She would just fly away and get lost.
I've seen her interview, and it doesn't seem to me like she is or was unbiased. Aren't there some laws and penalties for jurist bias, lying during the interviews and failing to follow their oath? I'd bet there are, and I'd bet that she would find out if the prosecutors were honest...which I doubt. :'( Steve
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I genuinely don't have any big problem with Buttigieg, he seems far more sensible than almost any of them.
Brett
Sorry Brett, but I just couldn't let it go.
A guy that says highways are racist, is not sensible. He might not be bat-Sh!t crazy, but he ain't far from it.
Derek
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He might not be bat-Sh!t crazy, but he ain't far from it.
Derek
Doesn't that make him more sensible than the rest of them?
Ken
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Sorry Brett, but I just couldn't let it go.
A guy that says highways are racist, is not sensible. He might not be bat-Sh!t crazy, but he ain't far from it.
Derek
I agree that the bar is being set very low.
Brett
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Chuck,
You completely missed the purpose of the DD system as knowledgeably explained in the video. It does not check or maintain track. It checks for multiple types of defects in the cars. The NTSB preliminary report identifies wheel bearing failure as the immediate cause. The report also lays out other issues they continue to investigate (likely "contributing causes") and will include possible corrective measures. Fortunately, that won't require "...THOUSANDS of Untouchable Street People..." as you seemingly propose. I can't even imagine your thinking there....
Dave
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Looks like all she needs is a Broom, Black Cape & and Hat. With any luck. She would just fly away and get lost.
y1 y1 y1 y1 y1
Dennis
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Dennis you should put your play writing skills for a better use. n1
Al
Dennis Moritz lives in some alternate universe with an image of Trump on the end of his nose - obviously blocking vision. I'm betting he wants Trump to be a pallbearer at his funeral!
Dennis,
one of the sane ones
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Trump advocated the deregulation. His administration did it.
I've told you once, now listen!...George Stephenson is the person responsible for the train derailment. Had it not been for him, it would of never of happened.
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Chuck,
You completely missed the purpose of the DD system as knowledgeably explained in the video. It does not check or maintain track. It checks for multiple types of defects in the cars. The NTSB preliminary report identifies wheel bearing failure as the immediate cause. The report also lays out other issues they continue to investigate (likely "contributing causes") and will include possible corrective measures. Fortunately, that won't require "...THOUSANDS of Untouchable Street People..." as you seemingly propose. I can't even imagine your thinking there....
Dave
Dave....you don't think the 1000s of track workers that are permanently stationed along the tracks of India are capable of reporting a squealing wheel before it turns into a red hot wheel...?
You can't imagine giving Homeless People on welfare something to do...?
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I am curious how much it would cost to put heat sensors on every wheel and have them monitored by the engineer in the engine. I have a tire pressure gauge in every tire, including the spare, on my car. Certainly, the cost would be less that what this derailment cost. Since the crew took immediate action when they found out about the brake temperature you cannot fault the crew or the line. I am confident that the monitoring equipment was to code as well. It is one of those instances where it was just under the trigger point for an alert and increasing at a faster rate than expected. In other words "SH** HAPPENS". There will be changes to the monitoring regulations, I am sure. Perhaps lower triggers or narrower spacing. I would also question why such explosive dangerous chemicals are not labeled hazardous. Lots to consider here. But the blame game gets us nowhere, unless of course it is to blame Trump because that has become a national sport and we all like sports.
Ken
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. and that what happened Jan 6 was "the worst attack on US soil since Pearl Harbor.......LL~
Soon we’ll have the real story about January 6. Mccarthy released the footage that Pelosi was hiding, 41,000 hours of it to Tucker Carlson and his crew to review.
Al
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Ohhhhh Boy Al..... hey while were at it and just for fun did Alex murder PoPo and Maggs???
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Soon we’ll have the real story about January 6. Mccarthy released the footage that Pelosi was hiding, 41,000 hours of it to Tucker Carlson and his crew to review.
Al
While I am 100% sure that they are histrionically overstating the danger, and keeping the video hidden because it shows a bunch of morons just milling around aimlessly instead of the violent organized insurrection they keep claiming - it was entirely beyond the pale to storm the capitol trying to interfere with the actions of congress!
Effective or not, you either believe in the constitution and institutions of government, or you don't. You can't pick and choose which parts of the constitution suit you and which ones don't, on a case-by-case basis. If someone had attempted this at the time, George Washington would have parked himself at the top of the steps and drawn his sword to prevent it. Regardless of what you thought about the outcome of the election, they were doing their constitutionally-mandated duty, and it is utterly unacceptable to try to intervene with a mob, no matter how angry you might be about the results.
Everyone who thinks otherwise might want to examine, very carefully, what it is they are fighting for - a single individual politician, or the principles of representative government and constitutional conservatism? And bear in mind, I am at least as appalled at the state of affairs as any of you. But I figure return to constitutional primacy is the *solution*. Undermining what amounts to pro-forma legally mandated functions of congress is as far from that as possible. That means you have to work much harder and smarter *up front* to convince people that they should go along with you, not try to fix it after the fact.
Brett
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Soon we’ll have the real story about January 6. Mccarthy released the footage that Pelosi was hiding, 41,000 hours of it to Tucker Carlson and his crew to review.
Al
The Globalist Elite Controlled MSM reported over and over and over that MAGA MURDERED 5 COPS.
They also reported over and over that MAGA injured 140 Capitol Cops badly enough to require emergency medical care.
100s of video cameras all over that campus took 1000s of hours worth of video that day and so far how many of those claims have been shown to be true...?
When the single party loyal MSM has been proven to deliberately lie to the public in order to advance the political agenda of their Overlords...that takes us down to the same level as every other Totalitarian @#$% Hole Nation.
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Dows anyone know or care that Trump requested National guard troops to protect the Capitol building and the request was ignored or denied by Nancy Pelosi & etc. ??? ??? ??? ???
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Dows anyone know or care that Trump requested National guard troops to protect the Capitol building and the request was ignored or denied by Nancy Pelosi & etc. ??? ??? ??? ???
Apparently not. This supposed "assault" was *never ever* going to accomplish anything, but it did hand the opposition a club to beat us over the head with for the next 5 years.
Brett
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Apparently not. This supposed "assault" was *never ever* going to accomplish anything, but it did hand the opposition a club to beat us over the head with for the next 5 years.
Brett
Brett..have you seen the actual list of "weaponry that almost overthrew the US Government"...?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/armed-insurrection-what-weapons-capitol-rioters-carry
not one single firearm was taken from any of the MAGA Protesters while on the campus grounds.
Well excuse me....there WAS a single firecracker.... LL~
Just about every "weapon" listed on MAGA's RAP SHEET should only scare people who never spent one single day of their lives playing outdoors. IOW...People with ZERO STREET SMARTS might look at this list and then nod in agreement that this was enough weaponry to seize cotrol of the US Government and subsequently get Trump installed as RULER FOR LIFE..... LL~
Does anyone find this a little bit odd...?
What are the chances that these guys knew too much about what REALLY happened...?
https://www.newsweek.com/3-capitol-police-officers-have-died-suicide-since-january-6-insurrection-1615452
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Dows anyone know or care that Trump requested National guard troops to protect the Capitol building and the request was ignored or denied by Nancy Pelosi & etc. ??? ??? ??? ???
Honest question please, were there ever NG troops at the Capital for any inauguration? Why would they need NG troops on a day that is supposed to be about the "peaceful" transfer of power?
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Honest question please, were there ever NG troops at the Capital for any inauguration? Why would they need NG troops on a day that is supposed to be about the "peaceful" transfer of power?
Because never in our lifetime did we see voting machines connected to off shore computers and people showing up at 3AM wearing masks and carrying arm loads of ballots to stuff into ballot boxes that ended up giving Biden a last minute come from behind victory.
anyone with any forward thinking ability could easily see that dispatching the NG was indicated. That's what they get paid to do.
The Globalist Party WANTED TO SEE MAXIMUM MAYHEM .... THEY USED HIRED INSTIGATORS and they even unlocked doors for the protestors.
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Brett..have you seen the actual list of "weaponry that almost overthrew the US Government"...?
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/armed-insurrection-what-weapons-capitol-rioters-carry
not one single firearm was taken from any of the MAGA Protesters while on the campus grounds.
Well excuse me....there WAS a single firecracker.... LL~
I understand that perfectly, this threat was played up to make maximum political hay off it. *Exactly the sort of emotionalism I was warning about earlier*! That's what the left does.
But, regardless of the actual threat posed, *you can't attempt to disrupt the legitimate business of government*, no matter how mad you are or how screwed you got. Even if you look at it as legitimate protest, which I don't, it was tactically pathetic, doomed to fail, and a strategic disaster. Because, while it is overblown by the usual forces, *they did actually, undeniably, attempt to enter congress and disrupt/stop a legitimate legal proceeding*, undermining any point they might have had. It is utterly absurd to think they could accomplish *anything*, it was never, ever, going to happen, an where are we now?
Protests are fine, there are plenty of public streets in DC. Entering or attempting to enter the capitol to undo a vote is out of the question, it would be/should be unspeakable, out of the question.
The election was over when the Georgia and Pennsylvania votes were certified, nothing in the world was going to change it afterwards, and if you attempt to, you are violating every principle of representative democracy/the republican ideal. That is far more important than any individual politician's fate. Trump or any other politician are means to an end, not the goal itself.
This episode set back the cause of constitutional conservatism by 25 years. Fortunately, the left is, as usual, going out of their way to step on their own puds, and they are so completely obnoxious (see above) that they will screw it up again soon enough.
Brett
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Honest question please, were there ever NG troops at the Capital for any inauguration? Why would they need NG troops on a day that is supposed to be about the "peaceful" transfer of power?
Simple answer to a simple question, courtesy of the USO (referring to Obama's inauguration):
The U.S. military has participated in every inauguration since George Washington’s presidency, and since Abraham Lincoln’s first inaugural, so has the National Guard.
Maj. Gen. Erroll Schwartz, commander of the D.C. National Guard, jokes that he remembers that day well. This was, in fact, his ninth inaugural. The troops under his command had, on average, participated in four, he said.
In addition to more than 5,000 active-duty troops at the inauguration, more than 6,000 Guardsmen from more than 30 states and territories were sworn in as special police, assisting the Washington Metropolitan Police Department with tasks ranging from traffic control and crowd management to communications and medical assistance.
Dwayne, I'm always surprised by your concern for US politics when you live in a country that seems to have forgotten what freedom is ...
Dennis
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While I am 100% sure that they are histrionically overstating the danger, and keeping the video hidden because it shows a bunch of morons just milling around aimlessly instead of the violent organized insurrection they keep claiming - it was entirely beyond the pale to storm the capitol trying to interfere with the actions of congress!
Effective or not, you either believe in the constitution and institutions of government, or you don't. You can't pick and choose which parts of the constitution suit you and which ones don't, on a case-by-case basis. If someone had attempted this at the time, George Washington would have parked himself at the top of the steps and drawn his sword to prevent it. Regardless of what you thought about the outcome of the election, they were doing their constitutionally-mandated duty, and it is utterly unacceptable to try to intervene with a mob, no matter how angry you might be about the results.
Everyone who thinks otherwise might want to examine, very carefully, what it is they are fighting for - a single individual politician, or the principles of representative government and constitutional conservatism? And bear in mind, I am at least as appalled at the state of affairs as any of you. But I figure return to constitutional primacy is the *solution*. Undermining what amounts to pro-forma legally mandated functions of congress is as far from that as possible. That means you have to work much harder and smarter *up front* to convince people that they should go along with you, not try to fix it after the fact.
Brett
Brett, I don't disagree with everything you say, but respectfully disagree with some of your understanding. Exactly how far would the "insurrection" have gone without the actual assistance of the Capitol Police, for example? And why does Biden himself keep parroting (in his speeches) the line that 5 Capitol Police officers were killed on January 6th?
As for the Constitution: Please review again the reason our founding fathers were so adamant that citizens be allowed to bear arms. You can, if you wish, find a great quote by Abraham Lincoln regarding the Constitution and our support (or lack thereof) for the Government in power. He even, if I remember correctly, referred to our DUTY ...
Dennis
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Simple answer to a simple question, courtesy of the USO (referring to Obama's inauguration):
The U.S. military has participated in every inauguration since George Washington’s presidency, and since Abraham Lincoln’s first inaugural, so has the National Guard.
Maj. Gen. Erroll Schwartz, commander of the D.C. National Guard, jokes that he remembers that day well. This was, in fact, his ninth inaugural. The troops under his command had, on average, participated in four, he said.
In addition to more than 5,000 active-duty troops at the inauguration, more than 6,000 Guardsmen from more than 30 states and territories were sworn in as special police, assisting the Washington Metropolitan Police Department with tasks ranging from traffic control and crowd management to communications and medical assistance.
Dwayne, I'm always surprised by your concern for US politics when you live in a country that seems to have forgotten what freedom is ...
Dennis
World politics are interesting for me as they are for millions around the world, no big deal, thanks for the reply that's all I wanted to know.
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Brett, I don't disagree with everything you say, but respectfully disagree with some of your understanding. Exactly how far would the "insurrection" have gone without the actual assistance of the Capitol Police, for example? And why does Biden himself keep parroting (in his speeches) the line that 5 Capitol Police officers were killed on January 6th?
As for the Constitution: Please review again the reason our founding fathers were so adamant that citizens be allowed to bear arms. You can, if you wish, find a great quote by Abraham Lincoln regarding the Constitution and our support (or lack thereof) for the Government in power. He even, if I remember correctly, referred to our DUTY ...
Neither of your points bears on my comment. The first assumes that the problem with this was that it failed. My problem with it is that they attempted it at all, fail or not. And, in any case, the capitol police are just the first line of defense, there would be plenty of other military and law enforcement organizations that would ALL have to go along, and then, people like me, because I think very few people would tolerate a takeover. That is what the bearing arms is for.
This is hardly a case of "oppressive government". Joe Biden is one man, and while he is a pathetic excuse for a president, he is not "the government" and plenty of checks and balances remain. And in fact, he has done very little to change anything because he is fortunately being thwarted by those same checks and balances. The president doesn't make laws, that is Congress, and they have done nearly nothing and certainly nothing that consequentially alters your liberty or freedom. Neither did Trump, for that matter.
Some people in Georgia and Pennsylvania slightly skewed a dead-heat election, using the usual techniques (the mystery late-night "found ballot" gambit that is attempted every time and squeaked JFK over Nixon 63 years ago). That is who you have a beef with, not Congress. Do something - legal - about that. Sorry that this is boring old politics and election law, not an futile emotional outburst.
Brett
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The president doesn't make laws,
Brett
Last minute changes to election laws were decreed that played a big part in getting Biden installed...
https://www.westernjournal.com/rnc-report-democrats-exploited-covid-change-election-rules-helped-biden-win-2020/
How many Executive Orders has Biden decreed...?
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2021-02-01/ty-article/biden-vs-trump-how-executive-orders-are-reshaping-the-united-states/0000017f-db61-d3a5-af7f-fbefd9a60000
I think the Capitol MAGA Rioters who have been imprisoned so long would argue the point you made about Biden's Government not being oppressive.
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Simple answer to a simple question, courtesy of the USO (referring to Obama's inauguration):
The U.S. military has participated in every inauguration since George Washington’s presidency, and since Abraham Lincoln’s first inaugural, so has the National Guard.
Maj. Gen. Erroll Schwartz, commander of the D.C. National Guard, jokes that he remembers that day well. This was, in fact, his ninth inaugural. The troops under his command had, on average, participated in four, he said.
In addition to more than 5,000 active-duty troops at the inauguration, more than 6,000 Guardsmen from more than 30 states and territories were sworn in as special police, assisting the Washington Metropolitan Police Department with tasks ranging from traffic control and crowd management to communications and medical assistance.
Dwayne, I'm always surprised by your concern for US politics when you live in a country that seems to have forgotten what freedom is ...
Dennis
Dennis....Very well put...!
The Brits [are the Donnelly Clan honorary Brits..?] lead the way in cowering to NWO HATE SPEECH and ORWELLIAN WRONGTHINK LAWS and if I'm not mistaken they aren't allowed to defend themselves from ANY sort of a physical threat with a weapon of any kind.
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Last minute changes to election laws were decreed that played a big part in getting Biden installed...
https://www.westernjournal.com/rnc-report-democrats-exploited-covid-change-election-rules-helped-biden-win-2020/
How many Executive Orders has Biden decreed...?
https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2021-02-01/ty-article/biden-vs-trump-how-executive-orders-are-reshaping-the-united-states/0000017f-db61-d3a5-af7f-fbefd9a60000
I think the Capitol MAGA Rioters who have been imprisoned so long would argue the point you made about Biden's Government not being oppressive.
They attempted to *enter the capitol for stated purpose of interrupting legal business of congress*!!! That is illegal regardless of their success. If nothing else, they disregarded a lawful order of a police officer. Of course they are in jail, that is not oppression, it is law enforcement. We supposedly believe in law and order and rule by law, we can't just toss it out the window the first time it interferes with our temper tantrums.
Brett
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Dennis....Very well put...!
The Brits [are the Donnelly Clan honorary Brits..?] lead the way in cowering to NWO HATE SPEECH and ORWELLIAN WRONGTHINK LAWS and if I'm not mistaken they aren't allowed to defend themselves from ANY sort of a physical threat with a weapon of any kind.
Not sure but. ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Donnellys
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They attempted to *enter the capitol for stated purpose of interrupting legal business of congress*!!! That is illegal regardless of their success. If nothing else, they disregarded a lawful order of a police officer. Of course they are in jail, that is not oppression, it is law enforcement. We supposedly believe in law and order and rule by law, we can't just toss it out the window the first time it interferes with our temper tantrums.
Brett
Brett..there was much internet talk about forcing Pence to declare the election invalid...but 99.9% of those who attended this function simply weren't equipped to claim an inner city basketball court...never mind overthrowing our government
What was the plan..?
To send VIKING HORNS GUY through the Senate Chamber to gore as many government officials as possible until they surrender...?
AFAIK...nobody was convicted of insurrection...yet the MSM has the Snowflake Sheeple Masses frantically checking under their beds every night for Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and KKK....as American democracy's biggest threat...
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Not sure but. ;D
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Donnellys
I think it's very cool that the history of your name is so well documented.
Imagine what they went through and were forced to risk just to survive and eventually thrive in the New World.
OTOH my tribe's name has many different spellings and our history is not so well documented.
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Brett..there was much internet talk about forcing Pence to declare the election invalid...but 99.9% of those who attended this function simply weren't equipped to claim an inner city basketball court...never mind overthrowing our government
What was the plan..?
To send VIKING HORNS GUY through the Senate Chamber to gore as many government officials as possible until they surrender...?
AFAIK...nobody was convicted of insurrection...yet the MSM has the Snowflake Sheeple Masses frantically checking under their beds every night for Proud Boys, Oath Keepers and KKK....as American democracy's biggest threat...
My point exactly, it was a futile and pointless act, that has served only to hurt our cause. The fact that it was a pathetic attempt doesn't make it legal or absolve the participants of blame.
Brett
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My point exactly, it was a futile and pointless act, that has served only to hurt our cause. The fact that it was a pathetic attempt doesn't make it legal or absolve the participants of blame.
Brett
Brett....do you REALLY think Viking Horns Guy and his young and tattoo'd friends are MAGA...?
Do you REALLY think Ray Epps is MAGA...?
why would 4 capitol Cops "commit suicide" coincidentally right after the riot...?
Don't you smell a rat...?
Notice that all the Fact Checkers pretend to know who the CIA / FBI SHILLS are not.....
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Brett....do you REALLY think Viking Horns Guy and his young and tattoo'd friends are MAGA...?
Do you REALLY think Ray Epps is MAGA...?
why would 4 capitol Cops "commit suicide" coincidentally right after the riot...?
Don't you smell a rat...?
Of course, this is all a huge overblown mess, and I am sure there were numerous plants hoping to create a "false flag" incident. But plenty of people fell for it, and somehow went along. Entering the capital is not stepping over the line, it is catapulting over the line, and those who did it were and should have been held accountable for it. No amount of provocation can justify it.
Brett
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A few side articles to consider.....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5248629/
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/12/05/504388777/educations-tie-to-conspiracy-theory-belief
Being degreed does not necessarily make one educated; however, being well read, travelled, being curious while open minded, etc. go a long way.
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Being degreed does not necessarily make one educated; however, being well read, travelled, being curious while open minded, etc. go a long way.
Apparently being "degreed" makes one more likely to believe that men can get pregnant.
You're so smart.
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A few side articles to consider.....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5248629/
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/12/05/504388777/educations-tie-to-conspiracy-theory-belief
Being degreed does not necessarily make one educated; however, being well read, travelled, being curious while open minded, etc. go a long way.
One of the most he most incredible CTs of all time was when the [[[MSM]]] claimed Trump won the election thanks to Russian facebook Likes in 2016..but of course I wouldn't expect you to remember that one..... LL~
The other one I love is the percentage of MSM TERRIFIED LIBERALS WHO HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING THAT YOU HAVE A 50 / 50 CHANCE OF DEATH IF ARE UNVACCINATED AND YOU COME DOWN WITH CV-19....... LL~
Would any sane person [regardless of educational background] think Ray Epps never served time for inciting a riot / sedition because he was just lucky...?
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Ohhhhh Boy Al..... hey while were at it and just for fun did Alex murder PoPo and Maggs???
It must have been the Russians %^@
Al
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Apparently being "degreed" makes one more likely to believe that men can get pregnant.
You're so smart.
I have several degrees and I still haven't become pregnant. Am I doing something wrong? ???
Ken
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I have several degrees and I still haven't become pregnant. Am I doing something wrong? ???
Ken
No Ken, at your age you are well past menopause. The clue was when you stopped getting your period.
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Apparently being "degreed" makes one more likely to believe that men can get pregnant.
You're so smart.
LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~ LL~
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It must have been the Russians %^@
Al
HB~> HB~> HB~> NO, NO AL - TRUMP DID IT!!! Just ask Dennis Moritz!!!
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A few side articles to consider.....
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5248629/
https://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/12/05/504388777/educations-tie-to-conspiracy-theory-belief
Being degreed does not necessarily make one educated; however, being well read, travelled, being curious while open minded, etc. go a long way.
Degree or no degree, gullibility and willingness to believe utter nonsense is not a matter of education.
Brett
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Of course they are in jail, that is not oppression, it is law enforcement.
Brett
Author: Eric Flack, Eliana Block
Published: 5:44 PM EDT July 26, 2021
Updated: 11:27 PM EDT July 28, 2021
WASHINGTON D.C., DC — The Department of Justice has arrested more than 535 people for taking part in the January 6 insurrection on the U.S. Capitol building. Some of those trials are months, possibly years away.
"Which is why people like Julian Khater and George Tanios are still in jail on charges of Assault on Federal Officer with Dangerous Weapon and Conspiracy to Injure an Officer, among others, for allegedly spraying pepper spray into the faces of law enforcement like Capitol Police Officer Brian Sicknick. [into the faces of officers "just like" Sicknick... ::)]
Thomas Sibick is being held until his trial without bond on charges that include Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers and Taking from a Person Anything of Value by Force and Violence, because he’s accused of being part of the savage attack on DC Police Officer Mike Fanone and ripping Fanone’s badge and radio right off his uniform."
I hope we get to see video that proves that the police were initiating contact and being the aggressors in some cases.
CHECK OUT THE PLAIN CLOTHES "ACTION DIRECTOR" WHO IS ALREADY ON THE SECURE SIDE OF THE GATE WAVING THE PROTESTERS IN...THEN WATCH EVIL MAGA "STORM" PAST THE 3 FOOT HIGH BICYCLE RACKS HELL BENT TO OVERTHROW THE US GOVERNMENT WITH THEIR TYRAPS, PEPPER SPRAY AND POCKET KNIVES..... LL~
https://www.news.com.au/technology/online/social/vision-emerges-of-police-moving-barricades-to-allow-rioters-into-us-capitol-taking-selfies/news-story/45a9be3adf9b447b53d23cf5536c5d02
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Arlan,
Who said I have a degree? Your response is interesting given the myriad of problems we face as a country and for some reason that was first and foremost in your mind....
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Chuck,
You may want to rewind a bit and see how it was that they gained entry into the building. Once breached, given the limited number of officers within, I would imagine that they were in damage control mode. It is also interesting to see that one of them is either wearing what appears to be a gas mask or at least a heavy duty filter. Why would he need that "if he was just taking a tour"? As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prices...
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Chuck,
It is also interesting to see that one of them is either wearing what appears to be a gas mask or at least a heavy duty filter. Why would he need that "if he was just taking a tour"?
Really not a uncommon site. You are forgetting the Covid 19 Super Virus is still lurking in the air! I have seen people out shopping and even driving in the car with a gas masks on. LL~
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Chuck,
You may want to rewind a bit and see how it was that they gained entry into the building. Once breached, given the limited number of officers within, I would imagine that they were in damage control mode. It is also interesting to see that one of them is either wearing what appears to be a gas mask or at least a heavy duty filter. Why would he need that "if he was just taking a tour"? As they say, play stupid games, win stupid prices...
You are a master of weak and lame excuse making. Doors to the buildings were also unlocked for them.
The guy with the gas mask...can you tell me what he actually did during the riot or are you just reacting to the real scary image..then letting your imagination "run wild"...?
Here's the entire list of confiscated weapons that "almost overthrew the US Government"...was responsible for "the worst attack since Pearl Harbor"..that "murdered 5 Capitol Cops" and that "almost made AOC die".
Here, I'll even post the totally ridiculous list for you so you wont have to click on the link....but please don't look any further if you are easily terrified OR HUMILIATED.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/armed-insurrection-what-weapons-capitol-rioters-carry
ALAM, Zachary Jordan Helmet
ALBERTS, Christopher Michael Handgun (Alberts was arrested after the riot was over, at 7:25 p.m., on a street near the Capitol and was accused of having a firearm.)
BALLARD, Thomas John Police baton
BARNETT, Richard Stun gun, walking stick
BARNHART, Logan James Baton, flagpole, crutch
BLACK, Joshua Matthew Knife
BLAIR, David Alan Flagpole, knife
BROCKHOFF, Nicholas James Fire extinguisher
BYERLY, Alan William Taser
CALDWELL, Daniel Ray Pepper or mace spray
CAPUCCIO, Steven Baton
CHRESTMAN, William Ax handle
COFFEE, Luke Russell Crutch
COFFMAN, Lonnie Leroy Multiple firearms (Coffman is not charged with being on Capitol grounds; allegedly had two guns on his person, plus firearms in his truck parked on 1st Street SE in Washington D.C.)
COPELAND, Landon Kenneth Metal fence
CUA, Bruno Joseph Baton
DEMPSEY, David Nicholas Crutch, metal pole, "lacrimal spray," and "club-like object"
EISENHART, Lisa Marie Taser
FAIRLAMB, Scott Kevin Baton
FOY, Michael Joseph Hockey stick
GIESWEIN, Robert Baseball bat, "aerosol irritant spray"
GOSSJANKOWSKI, Vitali Taser
HARKRIDER, Alex Kirk Tomahawk ax
IBRAHIM, Mark Sami Firearm
JACKSON, Emanuel Metal baseball bat
JAMES, Aaron Shield
JENKINS, Shane Leedon Tomahawk ax, flagpole, desk drawer, and "stick-like objects"
JENSEN, Douglas Austin Knife
JOHNSON, Paul Russell Metal crowd control barrier
JONES, Chad Barrett Flagpole
JUDD, David Lee Firecracker
KHATER, Julian Elie Chemical spray (Accused of attacking Officer Brian Sicknick)
KLEIN, Federico Guillermo Shield
KRAMER, Philip Edward Snowboarding helmet, walking cane, Master Lock, climbing rope
LANG, Edward Jacob Bat, shield
LANGUERAND, Nicholas Traffic barrier, "stick-like objects"
LAZAR, Samuel Chemical irritant
MCABEE, Ronald Colton Baton, flagpole, crutch, and "reinforced gloves"
MCCAUGHEY, Patrick E. III Shield
MCGREW, James Burton Pole
MCHUGH, Sean Michael Bear spray, "metal sign"
MCKELLOP, Jeffrey Flagpole
MEREDITH, Cleveland Grover Jr. Firearms (Meredith arrived in Washington after the riot was over but was charged with having three guns in his possession.)
MELLIS, Jonathan Gennaro Stick
MILLER, Matthew Ryan Fire extinguisher
MINK, Jorden Robert Baseball bat
MUNAFO, Jonathan Joshua Flagpole
MUNCHEL, Eric Taser
NEEFE, Marshall Wooden club, "metal sign frame"
NICHOLS, Ryan Taylor Crowbar, pepper spray
OWENS, Grady Douglas Skateboard
PADILLA, Joseph Lino Flagpole, "large metal sign"
PALMER, Robert Scott Fire extinguisher, "stick-like object"
PERKINS, Michael Steven Flagpole
POLLOCK, Jonathan Daniel Flagpole, riot shield
PONDER, Mark K. Pole
POWELL, Rachel Marie Ice ax, "large wooden pole"
QUAGLIN, Christopher Joseph Shield, pepper spray
RANDOLPH, Stephen Chase Metal crowd control barrier
REFFITT, Guy Wesley Handgun
RODRIGUEZ, Daniel Flagpole, "electroshock weapon"
RODRIGUEZ, Edward Francisco Chemical irritant
SABOL, Jeffrey Baton, flagpole, crutch
SAMSEL, Ryan Stephen Metal crowd control barrier
SANFORD, Robert Fire extinguisher
SCHAFFER, Jon Bear spray
SCHWARTZ, Peter J. Pepper spray
SILLS, Geoffrey William Baton
SMITH, Charles Bradford Knife
STAGER, Peter Francis Baton, flagpole, crutch
STEVENS, Tristan Chandler Shield
SULLIVAN, John Earle Knife
TAAKE, Andrew Quentin Pepper spray, metal whip
TANIOS, George Pierre Chemical spray (Accused of attacking Officer Brian Sicknick)
TAYLOR, Russell Knife
THOMPSON, Devlyn Baton
WATSON, William Pepper spray
WEBSTER, Thomas Flagpole
WESTBURY, Isaac Shield
WHITTON, Jack Wade Baton, flagpole, crutch
WILSON, Duke Edward Pipe
WORRELL, Christopher John Pepper spray
A few observations on the list. First, on the issue of guns. Five suspects — Christopher Michael Alberts, Lonnie Leroy Coffman, Mark Sami Ibrahim, Cleveland Grover Meredith Jr., and Guy Wesley Reffitt — are charged with possessing firearms. But none are charged with using them during the riot.
Alberts was arrested at 7:25 p.m., after the riot was over, when police enforcing the District of Columbia curfew suspected he had a handgun under his coat as he was leaving.
Coffman was arrested at about 6:30 p.m. after he told police that he was trying to get to his parked pickup truck. Officers found two handguns on Coffman's person and two more guns, along with possible bomb-making materials, in the truck.
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You are simply choosing to ignore what does not fit your view of what happened. The damage it actually did to the country and the process by which we choose who govern is real. You saw some of that come to light in the midterms. It is also a fact is that the event itself was enough to delay the vote so I guess in your view that is just minor thing. Chances are that for the most part they got carried away; that is how riots happen. IQ45 did not help by fanning the flames when the claimed that Pence had let them down. By the way, before firearms came along just about anything heavy enough could be made into a weapon. I am pretty sure that you would not enjoy being hit on the side of the head with a fire extinguisher. Also there is strength in numbers, even without weapons. Faux News got into trouble when it came out that their hosts did not believe that the election was stolen but kept up the story because it was good for their ratings. There is a theory that if a lie is repeated often enough people will start to believe it to be true. That is one of the reasons why conspiracy theories gain traction; the other, most rely on statement that appear plausible however unlikely and people just run with them. When it comes to math and statistics unfortunately, most Americans are completely illiterate.
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You are simply choosing to see what you want to see and ignoring the damage it actually did to the country and the process by which we choose who govern. It is also a fact is that the event itself was enough to delay the vote so I guess in your view that is just minor thing. Chances are that for the most part they got carried away; that is how riots happen. IQ45 did not help by fanning the flames when the claimed that Pence had let them down. By the way, before firearms came along just about anything heavy enough could be made into a weapon. I am pretty sure that you would not enjoy being hit on the side of the head with a fire extinguisher. Also there is strength in numbers, even without weapons. Faux News got into trouble when it came out that their hosts did not believe that the election was stolen but kept up the story because it was good for their ratings. There is a theory that if a lie is repeated often enough people will start to believe it to be true. That is one of the reasons why conspiracy theories gain traction; the other, most rely on statement that appear plausible however unlikely and people just run with them. When it comes to math and statistics unfortunately, most Americans are completely illiterate.
How ridiculous...!!!
Go ahead and post the video that proves 140 cops were severely injured. There were 100s of video cameras EVERYWHERE.
Your government has had YEARS to make a "Best Hits of MAGA 2020" video by now so either put up the proof or shut up...because I don't have the stomach to listen to any more hype, propaganda and all out lies.
All I've seen so far is a lot of pushing back and forth and playing tug of war with some large objects. Much like watching College kids spill onto the field after a football game or at a rock concert.
Not quite enough "firepower" to overthrow the government..but keep reciting all the dishonest media hype that has been pounded into your head ....... LL~
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"As for the rest of the weapons, six defendants are charged with having a knife, although none are accused of using the weapon on another person. Five defendants are accused of having a Taser or stun gun. Three are charged with having an ax. Four are charged with having a baseball bat. Seven are charged with having a crutch. Eleven are charged with having a baton of some sort. Thirteen are accused of having some sort of pepper or other irritant spray. Nineteen are charged with having a pole, usually a pole for the flags they carried. Eight are accused of having a shield, several of them police shields they apparently took at the scene."
and one of the "DOMESTIC TERRORISTS / BIGGEST THREATS TO OUR DEMOCRACY" had a firecracker......!!!
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It looks like you have a canned response already written up and ready to be cut and pasted where appropriate. A few observations:
1) I thought that you guys were the party of law and order, one injured cop should had been enough to spark outrage. You seem outraged that not enough cops were injured. Odd perspective.
2) Last time I checked laying your hand on someone can be considered assault, more so if the person on the receiving end is a cop. I would not be surprised if the assault by mob resulted in charges to multiple people for assaulting a single officer. I would also not be surprised if a particular individual assaulted more than one cop as it made its way (the use of it was intentional by the way) resulting in additional charges.
3) The whole idea that they were let in is also preposterous, you would had to been blind not the see the mayhem outside before entry was gained.
4) I would be surprised if in this crowd there weren't a preponderance of COVID deniers/skeptics. You comments make it clear where you fall. The likelihood that the guy was wearing either a gas mask/filter to protect himself from COVID is probably next to nil. If he really was concerned about his health he would have stayed home. You counterpoint does not really hold.
5) A lot of those "patriots" posted videos claiming that they were willing to lay down their lives for the cause (interestingly they never seem to be clear about what that "cause" actually is or what they set out to accomplish). Being chucked in jail seems a less drastic alternative; what are they complaining about?
I agree that this was not a serious attempt to overthrow the government, it was basically a riot. What is worrisome is that it was motivated by a false narrative that the election was stolen. We saw that re-surface in the mid-terms particularly in Arizona. Going back in time, IQ45 had already claimed in 2016 that Hillary only won the popular vote due to fraudulent votes being cast in her favor. He was already planting the seed although what he claimed made no sense (a common occurrence with his utterances). If the Dems really had the power to do that why not actually go for the presidency? The popular vote does not give you power. By the way, the last time Republicans won the popular vote was when Junior was re-elected. At any rate, it does not really matter as in the American system the wishes of the majority really don't count for much.
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You are a master of weak and lame excuse making. Doors to the buildings were also unlocked for them.
The guy with the gas mask...can you tell me what he actually did during the riot or are you just reacting to the real scary image..then letting your imagination "run wild"...?
Here's the entire list of confiscated weapons that "almost overthrew the US Government"...was responsible for "the worst attack since Pearl Harbor"..that "murdered 5 Capitol Cops" and that "almost made AOC die".
Here, I'll even post the totally ridiculous list for you so you wont have to click on the link....but please don't look any further if you are easily terrified OR HUMILIATED.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/armed-insurrection-what-weapons-capitol-rioters-carry
ALAM, Zachary Jordan Helmet
ALBERTS, Christopher Michael Handgun (Alberts was arrested after the riot was over, at 7:25 p.m., on a street near the Capitol and was accused of having a firearm.)
BALLARD, Thomas John Police baton
BARNETT, Richard Stun gun, walking stick
BARNHART, Logan James Baton, flagpole, crutch
BLACK, Joshua Matthew Knife
BLAIR, David Alan Flagpole, knife
BROCKHOFF, Nicholas James Fire extinguisher
BYERLY, Alan William Taser
CALDWELL, Daniel Ray Pepper or mace spray
CAPUCCIO, Steven Baton
CHRESTMAN, William Ax handle
COFFEE, Luke Russell Crutch
COFFMAN, Lonnie Leroy Multiple firearms (Coffman is not charged with being on Capitol grounds; allegedly had two guns on his person, plus firearms in his truck parked on 1st Street SE in Washington D.C.)
COPELAND, Landon Kenneth Metal fence
CUA, Bruno Joseph Baton
DEMPSEY, David Nicholas Crutch, metal pole, "lacrimal spray," and "club-like object"
EISENHART, Lisa Marie Taser
FAIRLAMB, Scott Kevin Baton
FOY, Michael Joseph Hockey stick
GIESWEIN, Robert Baseball bat, "aerosol irritant spray"
GOSSJANKOWSKI, Vitali Taser
HARKRIDER, Alex Kirk Tomahawk ax
IBRAHIM, Mark Sami Firearm
JACKSON, Emanuel Metal baseball bat
JAMES, Aaron Shield
JENKINS, Shane Leedon Tomahawk ax, flagpole, desk drawer, and "stick-like objects"
JENSEN, Douglas Austin Knife
JOHNSON, Paul Russell Metal crowd control barrier
JONES, Chad Barrett Flagpole
JUDD, David Lee Firecracker
KHATER, Julian Elie Chemical spray (Accused of attacking Officer Brian Sicknick)
KLEIN, Federico Guillermo Shield
KRAMER, Philip Edward Snowboarding helmet, walking cane, Master Lock, climbing rope
LANG, Edward Jacob Bat, shield
LANGUERAND, Nicholas Traffic barrier, "stick-like objects"
LAZAR, Samuel Chemical irritant
MCABEE, Ronald Colton Baton, flagpole, crutch, and "reinforced gloves"
MCCAUGHEY, Patrick E. III Shield
MCGREW, James Burton Pole
MCHUGH, Sean Michael Bear spray, "metal sign"
MCKELLOP, Jeffrey Flagpole
MEREDITH, Cleveland Grover Jr. Firearms (Meredith arrived in Washington after the riot was over but was charged with having three guns in his possession.)
MELLIS, Jonathan Gennaro Stick
MILLER, Matthew Ryan Fire extinguisher
MINK, Jorden Robert Baseball bat
MUNAFO, Jonathan Joshua Flagpole
MUNCHEL, Eric Taser
NEEFE, Marshall Wooden club, "metal sign frame"
NICHOLS, Ryan Taylor Crowbar, pepper spray
OWENS, Grady Douglas Skateboard
PADILLA, Joseph Lino Flagpole, "large metal sign"
PALMER, Robert Scott Fire extinguisher, "stick-like object"
PERKINS, Michael Steven Flagpole
POLLOCK, Jonathan Daniel Flagpole, riot shield
PONDER, Mark K. Pole
POWELL, Rachel Marie Ice ax, "large wooden pole"
QUAGLIN, Christopher Joseph Shield, pepper spray
RANDOLPH, Stephen Chase Metal crowd control barrier
REFFITT, Guy Wesley Handgun
RODRIGUEZ, Daniel Flagpole, "electroshock weapon"
RODRIGUEZ, Edward Francisco Chemical irritant
SABOL, Jeffrey Baton, flagpole, crutch
SAMSEL, Ryan Stephen Metal crowd control barrier
SANFORD, Robert Fire extinguisher
SCHAFFER, Jon Bear spray
SCHWARTZ, Peter J. Pepper spray
SILLS, Geoffrey William Baton
SMITH, Charles Bradford Knife
STAGER, Peter Francis Baton, flagpole, crutch
STEVENS, Tristan Chandler Shield
SULLIVAN, John Earle Knife
TAAKE, Andrew Quentin Pepper spray, metal whip
TANIOS, George Pierre Chemical spray (Accused of attacking Officer Brian Sicknick)
TAYLOR, Russell Knife
THOMPSON, Devlyn Baton
WATSON, William Pepper spray
WEBSTER, Thomas Flagpole
WESTBURY, Isaac Shield
WHITTON, Jack Wade Baton, flagpole, crutch
WILSON, Duke Edward Pipe
WORRELL, Christopher John Pepper spray
A few observations on the list. First, on the issue of guns. Five suspects — Christopher Michael Alberts, Lonnie Leroy Coffman, Mark Sami Ibrahim, Cleveland Grover Meredith Jr., and Guy Wesley Reffitt — are charged with possessing firearms. But none are charged with using them during the riot.
Alberts was arrested at 7:25 p.m., after the riot was over, when police enforcing the District of Columbia curfew suspected he had a handgun under his coat as he was leaving.
Coffman was arrested at about 6:30 p.m. after he told police that he was trying to get to his parked pickup truck. Officers found two handguns on Coffman's person and two more guns, along with possible bomb-making materials, in the truck.
Notice that you don't see Ashley Babbitt's name on this list. She is the only death actually related to the event, and she was shot and killed in cold blood. No accountability or ramifications to the officer guard that pulled the trigger. She was unarmed and a threat to no one. And we are coming up to the anniversary of the 1971 bombing in the capital on March 1st 1971, and you can read about two others also at this link. All pretty much attributed by factions similar to what the Democratic party is today!!
https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/us-capitol-attack-history-1.5863856
Justice for Ashley Babbitt!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Justice for Ashley Babbitt!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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It looks like you have a canned response already written up and ready to be cut and pasted where appropriate. A few observations:
1) I thought that you guys were the party of law and order, one injured cop should had been enough to spark outrage. You seem outraged that not enough cops were injured. Odd perspective.
2) Last time I checked laying your hand on someone can be considered assault, more so if the person on the receiving end is a cop. I would not be surprised if the assault by mob resulted in charges to multiple people for assaulting a single officer. I would also not be surprised if a particular individual assaulted more than one cop as it made its way (the use of it was intentional by the way) resulting in additional charges.
3) The whole idea that they were let in is also preposterous, you would had to been blind not the see the mayhem outside before entry was gained.
4) I would be surprised if in this crowd there weren't a preponderance of COVID deniers/skeptics. You comments make it clear where you fall. The likelihood that the guy was wearing either a gas mask/filter to protect himself from COVID is probably next to nil. If he really was concerned about his health he would have stayed home. You counterpoint does not really hold.
5) A lot of those "patriots" posted videos claiming that they were willing to lay down their lives for the cause (interestingly they never seem to be clear about what that "cause" actually is or what they set out to accomplish). Being chucked in jail seems a less drastic alternative; what are they complaining about?
I agree that this was not a serious attempt to overthrow the government, it was basically a riot. What is worrisome is that it was motivated by a false narrative that the election was stolen. We saw that re-surface in the mid-terms particularly in Arizona. Going back in time, IQ45 had already claimed in 2016 that Hillary only won the popular vote due to fraudulent votes being cast in her favor. He was already planting the seed although what he claimed made no sense (a common occurrance with his utterances). If the Dems really had the power to do that why not actually go for the presidency? The popular vote does not give you power. By the way, the last time Republicans won the popular vote was when Junior was re-elected. At any rate, it does not really matter as in the American system the wishes of the majority really don't count for much.
Yada yada yada. My Daddy can beat your Daddy up. Is there some intelligent point, some fact of meaning there?
If you believe what you've posted, I'm certain your eyes are brown - it's that deep in you. Get a grip!
Name ONE person here who thinks ANY Police Officers should have been injured or killed. THEN EXPLAIN WHY BIDEN CONTINUES TO TELL AUDIENCES THAT FIVE (5) CAPITOL POLICE OFFICERS WERE KILLED BY THE "TERRORISTS". (Intellectual integrity - if you're honest and care, you can easily find video of him telling crowds that just within the last week. He takes every opportunity, even while visiting foreign countries, to condemn his opponents - VERY DISHONESTLY. IT'S THE BIDEN WAY.)
Maybe you can explain why our Supreme Court ruled in ONE STATE that voting changes NOT made by the state's legislature must cease - and then hid in the closet, apparently - as I and many others suspect - afraid of the total chaos the country would be thrown into if they didn't simply look the other way. You do remember the millions of dollars in damages and hundreds of deaths caused by riots in recent years, right? Can you name ONE Republican leader who promoted those riots or who said "I don't blame them. They should continue?"
If you really believe justice is being served in the treatment of those charged with "insurrection", you're either incredibly without reason or incredibly ignorant. Period.
Heinlein claimed we all fall into one of two groups - which group are you in?
Dennis
PS: A good friend, a fireman, was shot at while trying to put out fires in Minneapolis. Do you seriously think the shooterrs were Republicans? Have THEY been prosecuted?
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Speaking only for myself: We've been through a lot politically, but I'm sorry to read comments suggesting much was lost after January 6th.
Liz Cheney participated in the January 6th circus - and we in Wyoming sent her packing. If you look at the bills presented in the current Wyoming legislative session, you might think a Conservative Crusade is underway.
Money for a border wall nearly made it into the state budget! Can you believe that!?! More coming ...
Dennis
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It looks like you have a canned response already written up and ready to be cut and pasted where appropriate. A few observations:
IT IS ACTUALLY CALLED BEING ARMED WITH FACTS AND THE ABILITY TO POINT OUT WHERE WE HAVE BEEN REPEATEDLY LIED TO BY TEAM BIDEN AND BY TEAM BIDEN'S BOSS..... [[[THE GLOBALIST PARTY CONTROLLED MSM]]]
1) I thought that you guys were the party of law and order, one injured cop should had been enough to spark outrage. You seem outraged that not enough cops were injured. Odd perspective.
NICE ATTEMPT AT DEFLECTION BUT I ASKED YOU TO SHOW PROOF THAT 140 COPS WERE SEVERELY INJURED AND THAT 5 COPS WERE MURDERED. I GET OUTRAGED WHEN LIED TO, BUT LEAVE IT TO A DISHONEST AND DESPERATE POS LOSER TO CLAIM THAT I CONDONE ASSAULTING COPS
2) Last time I checked laying your hand on someone can be considered assault, more so if the person on the receiving end is a cop. I would not be surprised if the assault by mob resulted in charges to multiple people for assaulting a single officer. I would also not be surprised if a particular individual assaulted more than one cop as it made its way (the use of it was intentional by the way) resulting in additional charges.
YOU ARE OK WITH A CONSERVATIVE INCARCERATED INDEFINITELY FOR PUTTING HIS FEET UP ON PELOSI'S DESK OR FOR RIPPING THE BADGE AND RADIO OFF OF A COP'S UNIFORM..BUT IF THIS HAPPENED TO ANTIFA OR BLM [[[RACHEL]]]WOULD HAVE YOU SPITTING NAILS
3) The whole idea that they were let in is also preposterous, you would had to been blind not the see the mayhem outside before entry was gained.
MANY WERE LET IN THROUGH DOORS THAT WERE UNLOCKED FOR THEM. WHAT DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE EQUIPMENT / FORCE IT WOULD TAKE TO BLAST OPEN A MAG LOCKED AND DEAD BOLTED ENTRY DOOR OF ANY FEDERAL BLDG...?
4) I would be surprised if in this crowd there weren't a preponderance of COVID deniers/skeptics. You comments make it clear where you fall. The likelihood that the guy was wearing either a gas mask/filter to protect himself from COVID is probably next to nil. If he really was concerned about his health he would have stayed home. You counterpoint does not really hold.
I ASKED YOU TO TELL US WHAT THIS GUY WITH THE GAS MASK ACTUALLY DID BUT ALL YOU GOT IS MORE TIME WASTING JIBBER JABBER
5) A lot of those "patriots" posted videos claiming that they were willing to lay down their lives for the cause (interestingly they never seem to be clear about what that "cause" actually is or what they set out to accomplish). Being chucked in jail seems a less drastic alternative; what are they complaining about?
SO ANYONE WHO SAYS THEY ARE WILLING TO DIE FOR A CAUSE DESERVES TO BE LOCKED UP....GOT IT
I agree that this was not a serious attempt to overthrow the government, it was basically a riot. What is worrisome is that it was motivated by a false narrative that the election was stolen.
KEEP TELLING YOURSELF THAT IT WAS A FAIR AND FRAUD FREE ELECTION....EVEN THOUGH YOUR PEOPLE HAVE ALL SCREAMED FRAUD BEFORE
Below is a little refresher course about Eric Coomer who was head of election security for Dominion Voting systems.
https://survivalmagazine.org/news/fk-the-usa-dominions-eric-coomer-admits-under-oath-to-being-former-skinhead-heroin-addict-lied-in-denver-post-screed-video/
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Money for a border wall nearly made it into the state budget! Can you believe that!?! More coming ...
Dennis
But Dennis.....how will the guards at the wall be able to tell the difference between a normal person and a PROGRESSIVE CALIFORNIAN...?
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I agree that this was not a serious attempt to overthrow the government, it was basically a riot. What is worrisome is that it was motivated by a false narrative that the election was stolen. We saw that re-surface in the mid-terms particularly in Arizona. Going back in time, IQ45 had already claimed in 2016 that Hillary only won the popular vote due to fraudulent votes being cast in her favor. He was already planting the seed although what he claimed made no sense (a common ocurance with his utterances). If the Dems really had the power to do that why not actually go for the presidency? The popular vote does not give you power. By the way, the last time Republicans won the popular vote was when Junior got re-elected. At any rate, it does not really matter as in the American system the wishes of the majority really don't count for much.
When you quoted what I wrote you chose to leave a part out. IQ45 is the only president in recent history who has made the claim of significant voter fraud. He even went as far as creating a commission to look into it which was dissolved some time later. No changes in the process were made as a result of their work. The inference is that they found nothing statistically significant. Moving forward making it public that the effort came to nothing would not be favorable to IQ45's public image; claiming that problems were found and fixed would not help him either. In the case of the latter it would close the door on the issue so he would not be able to make claim again at a later time. 2016 was a prelude to 2020.
So here were are more than 2 years later and recounts in states like Arizona came to nothing; Georgia recently announced that they found nothing. I realize that to the converted this means nothing; the narrative will simply be adjusted once again to fit their world view. So out of curiosity what would it take to convince you otherwise? Finally, I think that it is amusing that Faux News now finds itself in legal jeopardy because its top brass and commentators did not find the election fraud credible but kept pushing the story. I guess that whatever brings in the advertising dollars is the story of the day.
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As long as the Ohio Derailment thread has been derailed and we are, again, talking about Trump let me give you my perspective on the whole election fraud picture. Pretend you are Trump and it is election eve and you are leading in all of the battleground states and all leading indicators point to a victory by a comfortable margin. Then you go to bed and wake up to find that you lost ALL of them? What are you to think, what are you to do. We will never know for sure whether or not the election was stolen because the means they used to steal it were made moot by the Supreme Court refusing to hear the case, not on merit but of all things, standing. Maybe Trump should not have insulted Roberts. It is what it is now, and it really is time to move on. Trump initially acted as would most if he was faced with what appeared to him as a well-orchestrated coup. As it turns out it was, but it was done within the judicial system, and he lost there. Since then, it has been sour grapes and he should take Nixon's approach after the election was stolen from him by actual fraud, but he won't.
Now can we drop this and go back to flying toy airplanes before we start becoming divided in our own ranks?
Ken
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When you quoted what I wrote you chose to leave a part out. IQ45 is the only president in recent history who has made the claim of significant voter fraud. He even went as far as creating a commission to look into it which was dissolved some time later. No changes in the process were made as a result of their work. The inference is that they found nothing statistically significant. Moving forward making it public that the effort came to nothing would not be favorable to IQ45's public image; claiming that problems were found and fixed would not help him either. In the case of the latter it would close the door on the issue so he would not be able to make claim again at a later time. 2016 was a prelude to 2020.
So here were are more than 2 years later and recounts in states like Arizona came to nothing; Georgia recently announced that they found nothing. I realize that to the converted this means nothing; the narrative will simply be adjusted once again to fit their world view. So out of curiosity what would it take to convince you otherwise? Finally, I think that it is amusing that Faux News now finds itself in legal jeopardy because its top brass and commentators did not find the election fraud credible but kept pushing the story. I guess that whatever brings in the advertising dollars is the story of the day.
Looks to me that you want to live in a society where you are not allowed to claim that there was significant fraud.
There WAS significant fraud and it came at us from several directions all at once.
Those who control the 99% of the mass media also control the Democrat [[[[GLOBALIST]]] Party and they have been working 24/7 to transform the USA into a single party society that runs elections that they control.
FAUX NEWS is only offered to the Goyim Masses for our immense commercial value and to also make it seem like the Goyim have at least token control of the [[[MSM]]].
We will never see another election that wasn't heavily rigged or 100% verifiable......ever again..
We will continue to see elections that are decided by miraculous and mathematically impossible vote swings at 3AM.
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/matt-margolis/2021/06/17/huge-significant-election-irregularities-exposed-in-fulton-county-georgia-n1455273
https://nypost.com/2020/08/29/political-insider-explains-voter-fraud-with-mail-in-ballots/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/heed-jimmy-carter-on-the-danger-of-mail-in-voting-11586557667
https://www.westernjournal.com/revealed-klobuchar-warren-sent-letter-warning-dominion-election-tech-2019/
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Ken,
Agree, it will over and out after this one. Reasons for the differences between expectations and reality:
1) Mail in voting vs. in person voting: Trump was expected to have an early lead because he pushed for in-person voting potentially to his own detriment (things come up, you may not be able to make it the polls on election day, mail-in ballots give you more flexibility). You also need to remember that mail-in ballots cannot be counted ahead of the election. The expectation was that he would show an early lead due to this but after the polls closed this was up for grabs as the mail-in ballots were counted. Before jumping off to say that mail-in ballots are not secure, out of a household of 3, 1 ballot was rejected due to an issue with the signature. What that meant was that one of us how to go down to the clerk's office so that the signature could be verified. This is why it was important to turn-in the ballots early.
2) Individual States are responsible for administering the elections. I believe that for the States that were flipped the Secretary of State was Republican (I might be wrong). To pull-of the heist it would have taken an incredible amount of coordination across different states involving a fair number of people. What are the odds that they actually pulled it off and no one spilled the beans? Most of you think that the Democrats are incapable of running the country; do you really think they could have pulled it off?
3) Mixed results. Getting the presidency without solidly taking the House of Representatives and the Senate does not really give you power. Biden took the House by an OK margin and had no margin in the Senate (the VP would cast the deciding vote). Why not take them as well with comfortable margins? Witness how Sinema and others were able to throw a monkey wrench into things. The midterms further muddled that.
4) If voter fraud is so prevalent there is no reason to believe that it would be the exclusive domain of a single party.
5) Human nature: We generally tend to associate with like minded people. I have heard people say things like everybody that I know voted for him, no way he could have lost! To that I would say that their universe is not a representative sample of the country from a statistical point of view but many find that hard to understand.
I was surprised that Biden won but in some respects I could see people getting tired of Trump's personality. Biden is not perfect but he is closer to normal. When the time comes; if the Dems lose in 2024, I know that at least we will have a quiet transition of power.
Now, for something that has not been much in the news; under Biden, the US was able to gain access to 4 new bases in the Philippines. This is huge, China had been courting the Philippines heavily and their prior president wanted nothing to do with the US. The Philippines is important because it sits next to the shipping routes in the South China sea. It also matters because now the US will also have a base ~250 SSE of Taiwan; we already have a base about 200 miles North of Taiwan. China was not at all happy about it, but this is how a soft touch can get things done. During the Falklands War the Argentine AF was based about 400 miles West of the Islands and they were still able to give the British a hard time; 250 miles is a lot closer.... Now, if they had kept Luria in Congress maybe we would have had a more logical approach to what the Navy needs to do to stay current....
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terry:
Instead of your fatuous prattle, I'll keep it simple. Biden is a worthless piece of slime. He couldn't run a dunkin donuts let alone the most powerful country on earth.
Your anti-Trump BULLSI!T disgusts me.
Why don't you answer this simple question: Who could do a better job than Trump of running this country?
I'm waiting.
ps - assuming you know how to read, then READ the title of this thread. It is "Ohio Derailment"
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Ken,
Agree, it will over and out after this one. Reasons for the differences between expectations and reality:
1) Mail in voting vs. in person voting: Trump was expected to have an early lead because he pushed for in-person voting potentially to his own detriment (things come up, you may not be able to make it the polls on election day, mail-in ballots give you more flexibility). You also need to remember that mail-in ballots cannot be counted ahead of the election. The expectation was that he would show an early lead due to this but after the polls closed this was up for grabs as the mail-in ballots were counted. Before jumping off to say that mail-in ballots are not secure, out of a household of 3, 1 ballot was rejected due to an issue with the signature. What that meant was that one of us how to go down to the clerk's office so that the signature could be verified. This is why it was important to turn-in the ballots early.
2) Individual States are responsible for administering the elections. I believe that for the States that were flipped the Secretary of State was Republican (I might be wrong). To pull-of the heist it would have taken an incredible amount of coordination across different states involving a fair number of people. What are the odds that they actually pulled it off and no one spilled the beans? Most of you think that the Democrats are incapable of running the country; do you really think they could have pulled it off?
3) Mixed results. Getting the presidency without solidly taking the House of Representatives and the Senate does not really give you power. Biden took the House by an OK margin and had no margin in the Senate (the VP would cast the deciding vote). Why not take them as well with comfortable margins? Witness how Sinema and others were able to throw a monkey wrench into things. The midterms further muddled that.
4) If voter fraud is so prevalent there is no reason to believe that it would be the exclusive domain of a single party.
5) Human nature: We generally tend to associate with like minded people. I have heard people say things like everybody that I know voted for him, no way he could have lost! To that I would say that their universe is not a representative sample of the country from a statistical point of view but many find that hard to understand.
I was surprised that Biden won but in some respects I could see people getting tired of Trump's personality. Biden is not perfect but he is closer to normal. When the time comes; if the Dems lose in 2024, I know that at least we will have a quiet transition of power.
Now, for something that has not been much in the news; under Biden, the US was able to gain access to 4 new bases in the Philippines. This is huge, China had been courting the Philippines heavily and their prior president wanted nothing to do with the US. The Philippines is important because it sits next to the shipping routes in the South China sea. It also matters because now the US will also have a base ~250 SSE of Taiwan; we already have a base about 200 miles North of Taiwan. China was not at all happy about it, but this is how a soft touch can get things done. During the Falklands War the Argentine AF was based about 400 miles West of the Islands and they were still able to give the British a hard time; 250 miles is a lot closer.... Now, if they had kept Luria in Congress maybe we would have had a more logical approach to what the Navy needs to do to stay current....
You really are full of it, Brown Eyes! ONLY 4 STATES (MIGHT) WAIT TO COUNT MAIL-IN BALLOTS UNTIL ELECTION DAY! I expect the average 4th grader could learn that. Are you a son of Biden?
PLEASE - quit embarrassing yourself here! And look up the word INTEGRITY!
Dennis
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For those who do not want to bother reading the link, it actually has two columns for each state, the first when the ballots are processed and the other for when the votes are actually counted or tallied. Processing a mail in ballot does not imply that it was also tallied at the same time, that varies from state to state. What processing means, I am not sure, probably verifying signatures and prepping the ballot to be fed into the machine. This is link does not necessarily reflect 2020 100% but it gives you an idea; I was not able to find the same level of nuanced information for that year.
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-16-when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin#toggleContent-12088
The CNN article that Dennis quotes does not differentiate between the two, most will read it and make assumption that processed means counted which may not be the case. It makes sense to delay the counts to election day simply to prevent leaks which could skew an election, but then again, I am just a dumbass anyway.
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https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/table-16-when-absentee-mail-ballot-processing-and-counting-can-begin#toggleContent-12088
As always, you see only what you want to see. My God, get help! Did you even READ that post!?!
It's simply pathetic how you can bury your head ... (somewhere) and completely ignore facts. But - since you want to challenge here - answer my questions! For example: Name ONE poster here who advocates killing Capitol Police Officers. You make statement after statement but refuse to back them up. I sense the schoolyard bully here ...
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/politics/mail-in-voting/ (https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2020/politics/mail-in-voting/)
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BREAKING NEWS! Washing Post...Trump "did not" eliminate any regulations that contributed to the train derailment in Ohio! BOOM!
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KISS - Let's keep it simple.
Teodorico Terry: You stated "You also need to remember that mail-in ballots cannot be counted ahead of the election." Do you still stand by that statement? YES OR NO?
You've addressed those who disagree with you as "you guys", "the converted", and added a jab at "Faux News". Do you consider that intelligent discussion/debate?
You write: "When the time comes; if the Dems lose in 2024, I know that at least we will have a quiet transition of power. Like we had in 2017? No, wait - the RESIST movement started right after the election in 2016. Hillary still insists Trump was an "illegitimate" President, just as Stacey Abrams still insists the Georgia Governorship was "stolen" from her.
Personally, I believe Donald Trump was - by light years - the best option presented to us in the Presidential Election of 2016. And I hope he never, ever runs for any office again.
Like many here, I simply want our leaders to do the RIGHT THING. You might want to consider the possibility that others here who disagree with you are anything but "Trumpers". Perhaps you can even free yourself from that awful TDS and just deal with FACTS.
Dennis
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Can you name ONE Republican leader who promoted those riots or who said "I don't blame them. They should continue?"
Yes. Donald J Trump
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Yes. Donald J Trump
This is what Trump actually said. This is a fact.
"I know your pain. Your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us. From me, from you and from our country.
This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So, go home, we love you, you’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You’ve seen the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace."
Congratulations Lijol..you just cemented a reputation here as a LIAR.
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BREAKING NEWS! Washing Post...Trump "did not" eliminate any regulations that contributed to the train derailment in Ohio! BOOM!
Don't confuse them with facts. Trump did it and anything that contradicts that is to be ignored.
Ken
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Yes. Donald J Trump
Shall we discuss the 574 BLM/Antifa riots all across the nation, all supported and encouraged by the "leaders" in the democratic party? The BILLIONS in property damage? The THOUSANDS injured? the 3000 police injured, and several killed? The entire sections of downtown Seattle and Portland taken over by armed mobs for months? The THOUSANDS of businesses looted? The DOZENS (possibly hundreds) of businesses burned to the ground? The police stations overrun, looted and burned?
And here are the words of Kamala Harris about these "protests" on June 17 2020 during an appearance on the Jimmy Kimmel show (so you can look the quote up yourself)
"“They’re not going to stop,” Harris said at the time. “This is a movement, I’m telling you. They’re not going to stop and everyone beware, because they’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop before Election Day in November and they’re not going to stop after Election Day. Everyone should take note of that on both levels. They’re not going to let up and they should not and we should not.”
Oh, and by the way, since you brought President Trump into the discussion regarding the January 6th disturbance, Are you aware that the President authroized up to 20,000 national guard troops 2 weeks prior to the event? Are you aware that Mayor Bowser, Speaker Pelosi and the head of the Capitol police ALL DECLINED this use of soldiers to ensure that nothing got out of hand? THEY ALONE had the lawful authority to order the troops deployed to keep the peace, the President did not have that authority, he could only authorize their use and make them available.
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Yes. Donald J Trump
Try to keep up Joseph, so as not to join those who look pretty ignorant here. I referred to the BLM and related riots, as in PLURAL. And I referred to those who have posted HERE. Can you please provide the link to HIS post HERE?.
Dennis
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This is what Trump actually said. This is a fact.
"I know your pain. Your hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don’t want anybody hurt. It’s a very tough period of time. There’s never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us. From me, from you and from our country.
This was a fraudulent election, but we can’t play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So, go home, we love you, you’re very special. You’ve seen what happens. You’ve seen the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel. But go home and go home in peace."
Congratulations Lijol..you just cemented a reputation here as a LIAR.
Thanks for the compliment. I’m trying to keep up with the master liar, Donald J Trump. Did he make this wonderful speech sometime after he threw his lunch at the wall or after Hannity called. My lies don’t amount to much. Trumps lies cost the Nation.
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Thanks for the compliment. I’m trying to keep up with the master liar, Donald J Trump. Did he make this wonderful speech sometime after he threw his lunch at the wall or after Hannity called. My lies don’t amount to much. Trumps lies cost the Nation.
NOPE. I very easily proved what a liar you are..so don't try to make weak excuses for the damage you did to your own reputation.
At this point I think the best thing you could do is to "Cowboy Up" and own it...then make a pact with yourself to be more honest in the future.
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Shall we discuss the 574 BLM/Antifa riots all across the nation, all supported and encouraged by the "leaders" in the democratic party? The BILLIONS in property damage? The THOUSANDS injured? the 3000 police injured, and several killed? The entire sections of downtown Seattle and Portland taken over by armed mobs for months? The THOUSANDS of businesses looted? The DOZENS (possibly hundreds) of businesses burned to the ground? The police stations overrun, looted and burned?
And here are the words of Kamala Harris about these "protests" on June 17 2020 during an appearance on the Jimmy Kimmel show (so you can look the quote up yourself)
"“They’re not going to stop,” Harris said at the time. “This is a movement, I’m telling you. They’re not going to stop and everyone beware, because they’re not going to stop. They’re not going to stop before Election Day in November and they’re not going to stop after Election Day. Everyone should take note of that on both levels. They’re not going to let up and they should not and we should not.”
Oh, and by the way, since you brought President Trump into the discussion regarding the January 6th disturbance, Are you aware that the President authroized up to 20,000 national guard troops 2 weeks prior to the event? Are you aware that Mayor Bowser, Speaker Pelosi and the head of the Capitol police ALL DECLINED this use of soldiers to ensure that nothing got out of hand? THEY ALONE had the lawful authority to order the troops deployed to keep the peace, the President did not have that authority, he could only authorize their use and make them available.
You white folks are crazy. Only the President can Federalize the National Guard. DC is not a state so they don’t have a National Guard. So Trump federalized a non existent National Guard but withdrew federalization because Nancy Pelosi advised him to. Whatever makes you happy.
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NOPE. I very easily proved what a liar you are..so don't try to make weak excuses for the damage you did to your own reputation.
At this point I think the best thing you could do is to "Cowboy Up" and own it...then make a pact with yourself to be more honest in the future.
Thanks. Your honesty is inspiring. Your proof makes you happy. That’s all that matters.
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You white folks are crazy. Only the President can Federalize the National Guard. DC is not a state so they don’t have a National Guard. So Trump federalized a non-existent National Guard but withdrew federalization because Nancy Pelosi advised him to. Whatever makes you happy.
DC does in fact have a National Guard and as far as I can tell Trump authorized their use, and state guards as well, in advance. It was the Capitol Police and Sec Defense that had to actually call them up, that is where the ball was dropped or more likely put in a closet. You are the first to inform me that Trump withdrew the authorization. Where did that come from?
You might consider doing a google search on things before you post. It took me less than 5 minutes to debunk all three of your claims. Now can we actually drop this and get back to the really important issues facing our nation like monokoting concave curves.
Ken
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You white folks are crazy.
WOW....I hope LIJOL NEVER ACCUSES OTHERS OF BEING "RACISTS"...!!
Imagine the outrage if a Caucasian EVER SAID THE EXACT SAME THING about a Negro...?
If you Progressives didn't have DOUBLE STANDARDS you wouldn't have any standards at all...!! n1
Lijol said...."Only the President can Federalize the National Guard. "
The DC Mayor and the Capitol Police rejected Trump's offer to authorize the NG.....MULTIPLE TIMES dating back to the previous summer.
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/dc-mayor-refused-trumps-offers-of-national-guard-aid-meadows-says/
Lijol said..."DC is not a state so they don’t have a National Guard. So Trump federalized a non existent National Guard but withdrew federalization because Nancy Pelosi advised him to."
This is what THE CAPITOL POLICE CHIEF SAID HAPPENED....https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/02/pelosis-fault-speaker-pelosi-told-sgt-arms-deny-national-guard-capitol-due-optics-left-building-unprotected-must-resign/
DC Police Chief Sund Stated:
“Two days before Congress was set to formalize President-elect Joe Biden’s victory, Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund was growing increasingly worried about the size of the pro-Trump crowds expected to stream into Washington in protest.
To be on the safe side, Sund asked House and Senate security officials for permission to request that the D.C. National Guard be placed on standby in case he needed quick backup.
But, Sund said Sunday, they turned him down.”
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You white folks are crazy. Only the President can Federalize the National Guard. DC is not a state so they don’t have a National Guard. So Trump federalized a non existent National Guard but withdrew federalization because Nancy Pelosi advised him to. Whatever makes you happy.
The National Guard was most certainly offered, and then refused, and then brought in after that fact, I think for the Inauguration?? . Nancy was in charge of that, just going from memory. Once on site, they discovered that no one thought ahead as to where they should be billeted, and rather than make some kind of decent, humane arrangement, she told them to just go stay in a local parking garage, in winter, with no facilities !! That's what I remember just off the cuff.
There is no one more proficient at lying is that the Democratic Party! With the head fibber living in the White House! He's been at it for 50 years , but manages to get away with it. The list is endless! And it's all documented!! And a lot of it on video. Hillary lied about everything she said about Russian collusion in the fake dossier that she paid lots of money to have produced, and Adam Schiff lied about all the "irrefutable evidence" that he said he had that wasted tax payer time and money of a couple of impeachment trials that led nowhere. All that stiff gets forgotten with all the smoke and mirrors and other misdirection tactics that the MSM does for them. Grandpa Joe and Jill lie on their taxes and don't pay them on their little money laundering schemes that they have. I think the Biden family hold the record for the number of red flags brought up before the FTG, SEC, and other federal agencies over their financial hijinks. Like the old saying goes, just follow the money, especially the bank accounts of those that never had any in the first place and got rich off of politics and back room dealing!!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Trains have been crashing since they invented the first one.
While it's handy to blame Biden or set the calendar back two years and blame Trump, train wrecks just somehow happen. It seems to be related to huge force moving a huge amount of mass, just like ship wrecks.
With tons of chemicals spilled a controlled burn was the best solution to a bad situation. If they were able to find fools in hazmat suits to mope it up the cleanup would drag out for years. Then the issue of where to dump it would be an ongoing haggle.
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DC does in fact have a National Guard and as far as I can tell Trump authorized their use, and state guards as well, in advance. It was the Capitol Police and Sec Defense that had to actually call them up, that is where the ball was dropped or more likely put in a closet. You are the first to inform me that Trump withdrew the authorization. Where did that come from?
You might consider doing a google search on things before you post. It took me less than 5 minutes to debunk all three of your claims. Now can we actually drop this and get back to the really important issues facing our nation like monokoting concave curves.
Ken
You caught me. At times I am lazy
You are right. DC does have a National Guard:
"The D.C. National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54 states and territories, which reports only to the President. The D.C. National Guard provides mission-ready personnel and units for active duty in the armed services in the time of war or national emergency."
A google search of "Trump national guard" produces numerous hits similar to this:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/hannitys-tale-of-trumps-jan-6-national-guard-order-blows-up-in-his-face
You can do some research. As you said it will only take five minutes.
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Just google "trump national guard".
Negro and Caucasian are obsolete terms. Trump doesn't say "some of my best friends are Negroes". At a Trump rally he doesn't point to Black folks and say "There are my Negroes". The Black folks that sit behind Trump at a rally do not wear "Negroes for Trump" shirts.
I am not suggesting that anyone is racist. In fact, some of my best friends are White folks. Their food is kind bland though.
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You caught me. At times I am lazy
You are right. DC does have a National Guard:
"The D.C. National Guard is the only National Guard unit, out of all of the 54 states and territories, which reports only to the President. The D.C. National Guard provides mission-ready personnel and units for active duty in the armed services in the time of war or national emergency."
A google search of "Trump national guard" produces numerous hits similar to this:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/hannitys-tale-of-trumps-jan-6-national-guard-order-blows-up-in-his-face
You can do some research. As you said it will only take five minutes.
This is what your source "The Daily Beast" claims.....Hannity’s Tale of Trump’s Jan. 6 National Guard Order Blows Up in His Face
I can not find where FOX / Hannity claimed that Trump ORDERED the NG...this looks like another lie to me.
This is what FOX actually reported......Trump says he requested 10K National Guard troops at Capitol on day of riot.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-says-he-requested-10k-national-guard-troops-at-capitol-on-day-of-riot
You've already cemented your reputation as a racist and a liar here...you did so yesterday.
Your word is mud to say the least.
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The National Guard was most certainly offered, and then refused, and then brought in after that fact, I think for the Inauguration?? . Nancy was in charge of that, just going from memory. Once on site, they discovered that no one thought ahead as to where they should be billeted, and rather than make some kind of decent, humane arrangement, she told them to just go stay in a local parking garage, in winter, with no facilities !! That's what I remember just off the cuff.
There is no one more proficient at lying is that the Democratic Party! With the head fibber living in the White House! He's been at it for 50 years , but manages to get away with it. The list is endless! And it's all documented!! And a lot of it on video. Hillary lied about everything she said about Russian collusion in the fake dossier that she paid lots of money to have produced, and Adam Schiff lied about all the "irrefutable evidence" that he said he had that wasted tax payer time and money of a couple of impeachment trials that led nowhere. All that stiff gets forgotten with all the smoke and mirrors and other misdirection tactics that the MSM does for them. Grandpa Joe and Jill lie on their taxes and don't pay them on their little money laundering schemes that they have. I think the Biden family hold the record for the number of red flags brought up before the FTG, SEC, and other federal agencies over their financial hijinks. Like the old saying goes, just follow the money, especially the bank accounts of those that never had any in the first place and got rich off of politics and back room dealing!!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
Donald J. Trump is the most honest, ethical, and effective President in the history of the Republic. Just ask him. He will tell you
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With tons of chemicals spilled a controlled burn was the best solution to a bad situation. If they were able to find fools in hazmat suits to mope it up the cleanup would drag out for years. Then the issue of where to dump it would be an ongoing haggle.
It might not have been the best solution but it definitely was the cheapest solution and the fastest way to clear the track for traffic.
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Just google "trump national guard".
Negro and Caucasian are obsolete terms.
NOPE.
They are actually the MOST correct terms....don't you Libs always strive to "Trust the Science"...?
Joseph "You white folks are crazy" Lijoi has proven to be a double standard loving racist and a habitual liar.
At this point all that's left is to play Wack-a-Mole with you.
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NOPE.
They are actually the MOST correct terms....don't you Libs always strive to "Trust the Science"...?
Joseph "You white folks are crazy" Lijoi has proven to be a double standard loving racist and a habitual liar.
At this point all that's left is to play Wack-a-Mole with you.
Sorry. I stand corrected.
You Caucasians are crazy.
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Donald J. Trump is the most honest, ethical, and effective President in the history of the Republic. Just ask him. He will tell you
When you look at his time in office and his general effectiveness, he just may very well have been!! My 401K and investments did pretty good in those 4 years. The world was probably at it's most peaceful state that anyone alive can remember. You don't like his personality. People generally don't like politicians and there is a line in a movie that says, "I'm a politician. That makes me a liar and when I'm kissing your baby I'm stealing his lollypop." Trump in a more like a used car salesman, and people don't like those either, but a used car salesman knows business. Trump knows business and the way the markets and general business performed during his term is evidence that business people liked him and his policies. After the 2020 election, the very next day, things started sliding down hill because businesses and industry in the country and the world knew what was coming. It started with the oil industry and has snowed balled from there. Putin had no intentions of invading Ukraine before that. And of course he thought the election was stolen. Just look at the Biden/Harris ticket. Take Trump out of the picture and look at it at it's face value. Joe never got more that single digit returns in any of the primaries in his previous runs at the office. Kamala never had any support at all, because she is a bimbo with no vital experience in any areas of relevance and was the first one of the 2 dozen dem candidates to bow out because she couldn't raise ANY money and her campaign had no traction. She got the nod because her presence checked of a lot of boxes and her performance since then has proven all of her detractors correct. The fact remains that the Biden-Harris ticket was the absolute best thing that the Democratic party could come up with?? You will never convince me that there were 80 some odd million people that voted for this train wreck. Not anyone living! There may have been some that voted AGAINST Trump out of that. When I went to bed election night, things were going pretty much along historical lines and the way it was predicted by most to go. The Democrats voted heavily in pre-election voting, and took an early lead and as the day went on, Trump was catching up. The numbers showed that by a certain time that evening that most of the registered Democratic voters probably had voted by that time, and the areas yet to report historically voted Republican and the percentages would have favored Trump in the morning. But just like 2016, the midnight hour was the witching hour where things changed mysteriously, only in 2016, I think some one screwed up somewhere and Trump won the states he needed for the electoral college vote. That's why Hillary was SOOOO pissed off! She thought that she had the election bought and paid for !!! All the money that she paid for the fake Steele dossier was just wasted!! But in 2020, I think they doubled down on their efforts to make sure that it went according to plan. All the paid off judges that refused to look at cases and review evidence helped out also. We still have 20 some odd months of this train wreck to go and it will be interesting to see how it all plays out. We'll see who's money holds out, who has dirt on who, and see if Joe can keep from embarrassing himself and the country and doesn't get removed from office. The FBI and the Democrats spent a lot of time and money trying to discredit Trump and influence the election be creating all the fake news against him. That was an accusation before, but is a verified fact now. There are cases in courts reflecting the fact that this did influence the election and nullified people's votes. It will be a matter of which judges are on the pay roll and who isn't. Meanwhile, Grandpa Joe is going the bankrupt the country giving money that we don't have away, keep posing for photo ops, and come up with any other mis-direction and distraction tactics that his handlers can dream up. So in short, year, Trump could be the most honest , ethical and effective president in history, with maybe the exception of Truman, and I'm sure the ground around his grave is rumbling all the time!!
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Sorry. I stand corrected.
You Caucasians are crazy.
Just as racist..but at this point I don't expect you to be capable of understanding why.
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Dan, my feelings exactly and I am open that I do not like him at all, but as a President he out Reganed Regan. I don't want a President that I "like", I want one that makes me "like" the country.
Ken
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My interpretation of the information that I found is that a heat sensor that tells the engineer a bearing is overheating was by "regulation" set too high and by the time the sensor alerted the engineer it was too late. Supposedly, the system functioned properly, only some incompetent authority figure (unknown to me) told the train companies what to temperature to set the alert at. It probably like somebody setting the stall warning on an aircraft at a speed so low that when the alarm goes off it has stalled already.
I propose for a solution to this dilemma is to make every 3rd car an empty box car and allow hobos and transients to ride in it for free. Then a phone would be put in each box car for the purpose to call the engineer or train company if the train is catching on fire. This warning system would prove more reliable than what they have.
And last, but not least is that a lawyer would make the box car bums sign a release that if the train catches on fire and the bums call the engineer / train company and nothing happens that they cannot sue because they was killed.
**Disclaimer** This is not my idea. I got it from the US Army. When I served in the infantry (197th Infantry Brigade) we rotated turns pulling "fire watch." A person had to be awake all night looking out for fire because the Army didn't trust fire alarms.
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Another Ohio derailment for Norfolk-Southern, third one in a month, no chemicals this time, good thing. People are getting alarmed and questioning if they should be shut down.
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Another Ohio derailment for Norfolk-Southern, third one in a month, no chemicals this time, good thing. People are getting alarmed and questioning if they should be shut down.
Derailments, at least minor ones, are not uncommon, what is uncommon is the type of disaster we saw previously. The public only knows what they are told by the media, which itself usually knows precious little about what they are reporting, so when the media reports something like this on the heels of an actual disaster, the public gets the idea that disaster is looming around every corner and we are all on the edge of death at any moment.
There is absolutely no need to justify any shutting down of the railroad, unless of course if someone wished to further exacerbate lingering supply chain difficulties.
Gary
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Watching Jan 6 tapes, Tucker Carlson reporting. No insurrection, The January 6 committee Lied 🤥. Lots of fake reporting from the left.
Al
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There is absolutely no need to justify any shutting down of the railroad, unless of course if someone wished to further exacerbate lingering supply chain difficulties.
But don't you get it, Gary? - They're MAD! They need heads to roll, screw facts, logic, and ignore the impact. It doesn't matter if it was a routine accident that happened at a 12-sigma worst case condition. Someone has to pay!
Brett
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It's "Cost Externalization" -- Companies show higher profits, but society pays for it. You shouldn't forget the Enron Scandal?
You're completely taking MAD out of context, "they" are mad in the angry sense. You abhor people being voice full for change especially when it comes to their health and well being. Watch now as states start becoming more connected to the failed "lobbied down" federal regs that afford little interest "protection" to the public.
Is it wrong to want to know what poisons are being transported through you neighborhood? Spend some profits to install more bearing sensors along the track that shut down a train when it's in peril. Design better tank cars and hire more employees you can afford it. Just do a better job....
And when the next accident sickens or kills a larger community or decapitates family members spreading their remains over the highway because they were holding short at a railway crossing will you call it "Hand Wrenching Sensationalism"?
Come on man, we are talking about people here!!!
Steve
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It would be nice if big companies didn't make profits. Then they wouldn't have to donate so much to the Democrats or pay dividends to the stockholders or hire so many people. Can we simply get it through our heads that we cannot protect everybody from everything all of the time. All safety standards are a compromise between an 100% and some risk. The only thing that would have prevented this accident was the spacing of the track sensors but that would have only prevented it for this one failure. The next one may heat up even faster and they still not detect it in time. Do you seriously think that a company would intentionally allow such an accident or one of this magnitude was part of some nefarious cost saving analysis? I doubt seriously that the company pays much attention to government regulations is setting internal standards unless they exceed actual safety. They will set them where the failure rate is less than the cost of compliance. Do you get a brake job on your car before the squeal? Probably not. Yes, this is a tragedy and the company should do EVERYTHING IT CAN to help the people affected. Putting them out of business helps no one.
Answer me this. How would putting a hazardous material labels on the cars prevented this from happening? Do we now ban transporting them? How would shorter trains have made that single wheel bearing not fail?
How would How in the world could you compare this to Enron? Enron was pure fraud of a scale we rarely ever see. That is like comparing your kid getting punched on the schoolground being the same as WWII.
Face it, SH** Happens.
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There you go again when confronted with an issue you're uncomfortable with you change the script to your own benefit. Resorting to politics and the Democrats again and again gains you little except to display a rigid mindset. I would strongly suggest consider treading more lightly on the Dems and their supposed "inferiorities" especially knowing the fraudulent behavior that exists on the part of much of the Republican base in Washington and their GOD "Fraud Fox News". That's why I brought up Enron. Lest we ever forget "The Big Lie"
Consider this...Responsible business leadership means maintaining our independence which strengthens the confidence of our clients, regulators and the public and that we act with integrity and objectivity. It also means building trust and ensuring high standards of ethical behavior in everything we do through integrity and our Code of Conduct. N-S has a ways to go to get anywhere near achieving the publics confidence if they even care to do so....and we know they don't!
Steve
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There you go again when confronted with an issue you're uncomfortable with you change the script to your own benefit. Resorting to politics and the Democrats again and again gains you little except to display a rigid mindset. I would strongly suggest consider treading more lightly on the Dems and their supposed "inferiorities" especially knowing the fraudulent behavior that exists on the part of much of the Republican base in Washington and their GOD "Fraud Fox News". That's why I brought up Enron. Lest we ever forget "The Big Lie"
Consider this...Responsible business leadership means maintaining our independence which strengthens the confidence of our clients, regulators and the public and that we act with integrity and objectivity. It also means building trust and ensuring high standards of ethical behavior in everything we do through integrity and our Code of Conduct. N-S has a ways to go to get anywhere near achieving the publics confidence if they even care to do so....and we know they don't!
Steve
Steve..can you show any examples of ANY MSNBC / CNN / CBS / ABC NARRATIVE that the typical Liberal / Progressive of the 21st Century rejects, doubts or is at liberty to denounce or even question in public...?
Did you usual source of the truth ever show you this...?
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/fauci-lied-he-never-took-the-vaccine/#:~:text=When%20Fauci%20staged%20him%20pretending%20to%20get%20the,has%20been%20caught%20lying%20about%20the%20herd%20immunity.
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Steve..can you show any examples of ANY MSNBC / CNN / CBS / ABC NARRATIVE that the typical Liberal / Progressive of the 21st Century rejects, doubts or is at liberty to denounce or even question in public...?
Did you usual source of the truth ever show you this...?
https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/fauci-lied-he-never-took-the-vaccine/#:~:text=When%20Fauci%20staged%20him%20pretending%20to%20get%20the,has%20been%20caught%20lying%20about%20the%20herd%20immunity.
Moderna (as in vaccine) is misspelled on the headline to the article in your link. It is not spelled Maderna. At least Steve's sources (MSNBC/CNN/ABC) can spell.
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Moderna (as in vaccine) is misspelled on the headline to the article in your link. It is not spelled Maderna. At least Steve's sources (MSNBC/CNN/ABC) can spell.
Is this your rebuttal...? LL~
Here's an instant replay.......
https://welovetrump.com/2020/12/24/wrongarmfauci-dr-fauci-vaccinated-on-left-arm-but-claims-his-right-arm-is-sore/
It's far easier to brainwash someone than it is to get that person to realize that he has been hopelessly brainwashed.
Keep telling yourself that Fauci took the vaccine and that this video is a hoax...!! LL~
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Is this your rebuttal...? LL~
Here's an instant replay.......
https://welovetrump.com/2020/12/24/wrongarmfauci-dr-fauci-vaccinated-on-left-arm-but-claims-his-right-arm-is-sore/
It's far easier to brainwash someone than it is to get that person to realize that he has been hopelessly brainwashed.
Keep telling yourself that Fauci took the vaccine and that this video is a hoax...!! LL~
Dr. Fauci Vaccinated on LEFT Arm, But Claims His RIGHT Arm is Sore!
Serious stuff. Did you buy the 99.9% pure silver collector grade Donald Trump coins?
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Dr. Fauci Vaccinated on LEFT Arm, But Claims His RIGHT Arm is Sore!
Serious stuff. Did you buy the 99.9% pure silver collector grade Donald Trump coins?
At this point deflection and misdirection all that JOSEPH "WHITE PEOPLE ARE CRAZY" LIJOI has got... LL~
How many boosters are the "Science Trusters" up to now...?
Yep...looks like America's highest paid government employee / CDC Chief faked taking the vaccine and the best Lijoi can do in response is his "Shadow Puppet" routine....
How much air time did this treasonous and fraudulent PSA get on MSNBC and CNN...?
How many trusting Americans watched Fauci "take the vaccine" then say to themselves , "If Fauci can take it...so can I".
https://youtu.be/XHZKoNVpxvw
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At this point deflection and misdirection all that JOSEPH "WHITE PEOPLE ARE CRAZY" LIJOI has got... LL~
How many boosters are the "Science Trusters" up to now...?
Yep...looks like America's highest paid government employee / CDC Chief faked taking the vaccine and the best Lijoi can do in response is his "Shadow Puppet" routine....
How much air time did this treasonous and fraudulent PSA get on MSNBC and CNN...?
How many trusting Americans watched Fauci "take the vaccine" then say to themselves , "If Fauci can take it...so can I".
https://youtu.be/XHZKoNVpxvw
I thought this thread was about a train derailment not a brain derailment. Again the spelling issue raises its ugly head!
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I thought this thread was about a train derailment not a brain derailment.
I count 10 posts from you before this last one and NOT ONE WORD FROM YOU ABOUT TRAIN DERAILMENT
Don't you ever get tired of making yourself look ridiculous...?
What's it like being trapped like a rat with nothing of any relevance to say about Fauci faking the vaccine shot...?
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I count 10 posts from you before this last one and NOT ONE WORD FROM YOU ABOUT TRAIN DERAILMENT
Don't you ever get tired of making yourself look ridiculous...?
What's it like being trapped like a rat with nothing of any relevance to say about Fauci faking the vaccine shot...?
Ok. Fauci got vaccinated in the left arm and both arms are sore. The left arm is sore from the vaccination and the right arm is sore from some arthritis that has been bothering him since 2005. I hope this is relevant enough for you. What's it like being trapped like a rat inside your own head?
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Ok. Fauci got vaccinated in the left arm and both arms are sore. The left arm is sore from the vaccination and the right arm is sore from some arthritis that has been bothering him since 2005.
Dude..you are too much..!
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It's "Cost Externalization" -- Companies show higher profits, but society pays for it. You shouldn't forget the Enron Scandal?
You're completely taking MAD out of context, "they" are mad in the angry sense. You abhor people being voice full for change especially when it comes to their health and well being. Watch now as states start becoming more connected to the failed "lobbied down" federal regs that afford little interest "protection" to the public.
Is it wrong to want to know what poisons are being transported through you neighborhood? Spend some profits to install more bearing sensors along the track that shut down a train when it's in peril. Design better tank cars and hire more employees you can afford it. Just do a better job....
And when the next accident sickens or kills a larger community or decapitates family members spreading their remains over the highway because they were holding short at a railway crossing will you call it "Hand Wrenching Sensationalism"?
Come on man, we are talking about people here!!!
Steve
Did a little research. On average, it costs a railroad $200,000 to put in a hot box detector on a single track line, and about $350,000 to install one on a double track line. Norfolk Southern (just this one railroad) operates around 20,000 miles of track. How close together would you have them install these devices? One per mile? at $1-1.75 million for every 5 miles? For how many thousands of miles of track? Perhaps you would like them every half mile, at double the cost? Combine this with all of the extra maintenance that would be required. No railroad could possibly afford to do that.
Gary
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Did a little research. On average, it costs a railroad $200,000 to put in a hot box detector on a single track line, and about $350,000 to install one on a double track line. Norfolk Southern (just this one railroad) operates around 20,000 miles of track. How close together would you have them install these devices? One per mile? at $1-1.75 million for every 5 miles? For how many thousands of miles of track? Perhaps you would like them every half mile, at double the cost? Combine this with all of the extra maintenance that would be required. No railroad could possibly afford to do that.
Gary
Here is a link to an article in the leftist New York Times. I know a lot of you guys hate this paper but it is an interesting read, especially if lighten up first and have a few drinks (this applies to us happy drunks only).
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/07/business/norfolk-southern-derailment-east-palestine-regulation.html
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I thought this thread was about a train derailment not a brain derailment. Again the spelling issue raises its ugly head!
IS that all you can pick on is spelling??
I read quite a bit in the newspaper, magazines, and on the internet. It's amazing the how many spelling , grammatical and other errors I find each and every day!! Hell, I can even spell better than spell check on a lot of sites!! It's the culture that has been developed where no one cares about proper spelling, English and diction. Have you ever had to read resume's and employment applications from people in the last 15 or 20 years?? Some of what I have been able to see is down right sad and laughable at the same time! Blame it on cell phones and texting maybe? Slang is fine if you are hanging out with your buddies after work, but anything that is for general consumption by the public or is official business should be proper English I have actually made some people mad because I text just the way that you see it here instead of all the abbreviations and short cuts. "It takes too long to read it!!" is the usually replay when I ask what's wrong with it. Really?? Some of the blogs that are out there are the worst, I guess because there is no editor to answer to for the most part. I see it every where, and I'm not an English major or anything but got A's and B's all through school. I think it REALLY is part of what's wrong with this country and shows that most people are lazy, have no respect for other people, and have a huge lack of discipline. And it doesn't go along party lines, it's everywhere!!
So, that's the best you can do?
Type at you later,
Dan McEntee
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Chuck,
Interesting that the source you quote is basically a private blog but at any rate... For the worst years of the pandemic the number of excess deaths exceed what the statistical models predicted for a normal year. The CDC did the calculation using 4 prior years worth of data and then went back and re-run it using 6 prior years as the foundation. The number of actual deaths exceed the prediction both cases (i.e. excess deaths). So something was definitely going on, whether you believe in COVID or not. If you can explain it away to things other than a pandemic I am game; you might be even up for a Nobel Prize in medicine. Keep in mind that this calculation was not only done in the US but in other countries as well. If it were truly a conspiracy as some believe the cross border coordination would have been quite impressive.
The vaccination rate in the US is fairly low at 63% (2 doses) so in time we will find out if herd immunity is actually a thing. In the context of vaccination programs herd immunity is generally taken as a sufficiently high number of individuals being vaccinated as to allow those who cannot be vaccinated (generally for medical reasons) to be relatively safe or at the very least be able to limit or contain an outbreak. It is ironic that as a result of a Church revival we might be facing a measles outbreak because a number of the congregants decided to skip a vaccine. That problem had already been addressed until people decided that they knew better than people who specialize in the field.
As far as anecdotal evidence everyone that I knew who passed away from COVID was unvaccinated (5 instances); not by choice, but simply because the vaccine was not available at the time and the treatment protocols had not really been developed. Since then, about 1/2 of the people that I know have had the virus at some point, all them vaccinated (that is the first question I ask when I hear they got the bug). None of them as far as I know required additional care, meaning a hospital stay although one did require treatment with Paxlovid. My anecdotal data seems to indicate that it does work.
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Gary,
If N-S spent a fraction of what their Washington Lobbyist give annually to suppress federal regulations toward safety upgrades we may start seeing fewer derailments.
Try "researching" the attachment instead, what you're suggesting is chump change compared to Republican donations.
Steve
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/2/9/2152040/-Ohio-railway-company-behind-derailment-fought-to-make-sure-it-didn-t-need-to-upgrade-train-safety
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Chuck,
Interesting that the source you quote is basically a private blog but at any rate... For the worst years of the pandemic the number of excess deaths exceed what the statistical models predicted for a normal year. The CDC did the calculation using 4 prior years worth of data and then went back and re-run it using 6 prior years as the foundation. The number of actual deaths exceed the prediction both cases (i.e. excess deaths). So something was definitely going on, whether you believe in COVID or not. If you can explain it away to things other than a pandemic I am game; you might be even up for a Nobel Prize in medicine. Keep in mind that this calculation was not only done in the US but in other countries as well. If it were truly a conspiracy as some believe the cross border coordination would have been quite impressive.
The vaccination rate in the US is fairly low at 63% (2 doses) so in time we will find out if herd immunity is actually a thing. In the context of vaccination programs herd immunity is generally taken as a sufficiently high number of individuals being vaccinated as to allow those who cannot be vaccinated (generally for medical reasons) to be relatively safe or at the very least be able to limit or contain an outbreak. It is ironic that as a result of a Church revival we might be facing a measles outbreak because a number of the congregants decided to skip a vaccine. That problem had already been addressed until people decided that they knew better than people who specialize in the field.
As far as anecdotal evidence everyone that I knew who passed away from COVID was unvaccinated (5 instances); not by choice, but simply because the vaccine was not available at the time and the treatment protocols had not really been developed. Since then, about 1/2 of the people that I know have had the virus at some point, all them vaccinated (that is the first question I ask when I hear they got the bug). None of them as far as I know required additional care, meaning a hospital stay although one did require treatment with Paxlovid. My anecdotal data seems to indicate that it does work.
You say treatment protocols weren't developed yet. I say they refused to allow any type of early treatment and tried to cancel any doctors that went against the government. You mention Nobel prize in medicine which is exactly what was awarded to the man who invented Ivermectin. Then the government mouthpieces in the media called it horse de-wormer and said it was dangerous. Can anyone tell me another time in modern history where doctors were prevented from practicing medicine and prescribing drugs as they saw fit. You even had democrat governors sign orders to prevent pharmacies from dispensing them.
Now we see vaccinated people getting COVID over and over again. I don't know any unvaccinated people that have had it twice.
Now we have young vaccinated people and athletes dropping from myocarditis and blood clots caused by a vaccine that doesn't do any of the things that Fauci and others said it would do.
This vaccine has caused more injury and death than every other vaccine in history combined.
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Gary,
If N-S spent a fraction of what their Washington Lobbyist give annually to suppress federal regulations toward safety upgrades we may start seeing fewer derailments.
Try "researching" the attachment instead, what you're suggesting is chump change compared to Republican donations.
Steve
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/2/9/2152040/-Ohio-railway-company-behind-derailment-fought-to-make-sure-it-didn-t-need-to-upgrade-train-safety
Surely you're not dumb enough to believe they only give money to one side of the aisle.
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You say treatment protocols weren't developed yet. I say they refused to allow any type of early treatment and tried to cancel any doctors that went against the government.
Yes, and there’s a reason why they tried to stop early treatment protocols because if there’s a successful early treatment the FDA can’t issue an EUA (early use authorization) for a vaccine. So they clamped down on any doctors that were having much success with many different early protocols 2 of which were HCQ and Ivermectin.
Al
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Chuck,
Interesting that the source you quote is basically a private blog but at any rate... For the worst years of the pandemic the number of excess deaths exceed what the statistical models predicted for a normal year. The CDC did the calculation using 4 prior years worth of data and then went back and re-run it using 6 prior years as the foundation. The number of actual deaths exceed the prediction both cases (i.e. excess deaths). So something was definitely going on, whether you believe in COVID or not. If you can explain it away to things other than a pandemic I am game; you might be even up for a Nobel Prize in medicine. Keep in mind that this calculation was not only done in the US but in other countries as well. If it were truly a conspiracy as some believe the cross border coordination would have been quite impressive.
The vaccination rate in the US is fairly low at 63% (2 doses) so in time we will find out if herd immunity is actually a thing. In the context of vaccination programs herd immunity is generally taken as a sufficiently high number of individuals being vaccinated as to allow those who cannot be vaccinated (generally for medical reasons) to be relatively safe or at the very least be able to limit or contain an outbreak. It is ironic that as a result of a Church revival we might be facing a measles outbreak because a number of the congregants decided to skip a vaccine. That problem had already been addressed until people decided that they knew better than people who specialize in the field.
As far as anecdotal evidence everyone that I knew who passed away from COVID was unvaccinated (5 instances); not by choice, but simply because the vaccine was not available at the time and the treatment protocols had not really been developed. Since then, about 1/2 of the people that I know have had the virus at some point, all them vaccinated (that is the first question I ask when I hear they got the bug). None of them as far as I know required additional care, meaning a hospital stay although one did require treatment with Paxlovid. My anecdotal data seems to indicate that it does work.
WHO SAID CV 19 ISN'T REAL...?
I caught CV 19 shortly after it became "A Thing" in early 2020 and it was nasty.
I was 65 years old....[many panic stricken Libs would've given me a 60% chance of death]..... LL~
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/covid_19/conservative_news_viewers_more_accurately_estimate_covid_19_death_risk
I've never had a case of the flu like it, with an intense headache for 3 days and a sinus infection that transitioned to lots of post nasal crap to cough up.
It lingered for a couple weeks so I sweated it out on a treadmill.
The last time I had the flu would have been as a teenager.
I caught CV 19 in 2020 from either a son in law who works for Delta airlines [he tested positive and was sick enough to miss work], or from my girl friend who tested positive [as a public school teacher].
About 2 months ago I caught what seemed like a weaker version of what I had 3 years ago.
I don't know if it was CV 19 or not.
Nobody needs to convince me that CV 19 is real.
Regardless....
Fauci faked taking the vaccine.
Why would the head of the CDC do that...?
Why would the heads of the CDC pretend they had no idea how many of their own employees were vaxxed at the time they were questioned about this at a Senate Hearing...?
https://youtu.be/aGBMlH-k8bA
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Fauci knew that more people died in the vaccine group than in the placebo group. Thats one of the reasons why Pfizer and the Feds were in court trying to stop release of the trial data.
One would think that those that were duped into being vaccinated would be more pissed off about the fact that it doesn't do anything that they said it would. Teodorico even believes that it is the unvaccinated that are responsible for spreading COVID currently. Just in case you people in the experimental gene therapy group missed it, the mRNA injection neither prevents the virus from being contracted, nor does it do ANYTHING to prevent you from spreading it after it fails to prevent you from getting it. You were lied to. Over and over and over again. And they pocketed billions and billions and billions of dollars, millions of which found their way into Fauci's pocket. He funded the organization and labs that created the virus. He has tried to cover up the origin of the virus by funding papers written to promote the natural origin theory when he knew damn well where it came from. He has lied repeatedly since this thing started.
All of this unprecedented garbage over a virus with well over a 99% survival rate for the overwhelming majority and an average age of death(78) higher than the all cause mortality average age of death(75).
It's just ridiculous how it was handled and it all comes down to money and control.
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Regardless....
Fauci faked taking the vaccine.
Why would the head of the CDC do that...?
Why would the heads of the CDC pretend they had no idea how many of their own employees were vaxxed at the time they were questioned about this at a Senate Hearing...?
https://youtu.be/aGBMlH-k8bA
I also wonder why Fauci would fake taking a vaccine. What's in it for him?
Here is a link to a leftist rag called "Science".
https://www.science.org/content/article/almost-everything-tucker-carlson-said-about-anthony-fauci-week-was-misleading-or-false
Seems like a lot of these ideas are from a guy named Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson.
Amongst other things Tucker is famous for a segment that recommended tanning your balls. I did this and must have messed up somewhere. My balls were ok. The problem was with the head (not of the CDC). I went through an entire supply of Noxema skin cream in a week.
If you take Tuckers advice please be careful!
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Fauci knew that more people died in the vaccine group than in the placebo group. Thats one of the reasons why Pfizer and the Feds were in court trying to stop release of the trial data.
One would think that those that were duped into being vaccinated would be more pissed off about the fact that it doesn't do anything that they said it would. Teodorico even believes that it is the unvaccinated that are responsible for spreading COVID currently. Just in case you people in the experimental gene therapy group missed it, the mRNA injection neither prevents the virus from being contracted, nor does it do ANYTHING to prevent you from spreading it after it fails to prevent you from getting it. You were lied to. Over and over and over again. And they pocketed billions and billions and billions of dollars, millions of which found their way into Fauci's pocket. He funded the organization and labs that created the virus. He has tried to cover up the origin of the virus by funding papers written to promote the natural origin theory when he knew damn well where it came from. He has lied repeatedly since this thing started.
All of this unprecedented garbage over a virus with well over a 99% survival rate for the overwhelming majority and an average age of death(78) higher than the all cause mortality average age of death(75).
It's just ridiculous how it was handled and it all comes down to money and control.
y1 y1 y1 y1 y1
“I hope we don’t discover something really bad down the line” - Jordon Trishton Walker, Pfizer’s director of research and development for strategic operations and mRNA scientific planning. Hope!?!
https://alphanews.org/pfizer-exec-tells-project-veritas-covid-jabs-have-concerning-impact-on-menstrual-cycles/ (https://alphanews.org/pfizer-exec-tells-project-veritas-covid-jabs-have-concerning-impact-on-menstrual-cycles/)
"Data from the Pentagon’s Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED) has been similarly alarming, showing that 2021 saw drastic spikes in a variety of diagnoses for serious medical issues over the previous five-year average, including hypertension (2,181%), neurological disorders (1,048%), multiple sclerosis (680%), Guillain-Barre syndrome (551%), breast cancer, (487%), female infertility (472%), pulmonary embolism (468%), migraines (452%), ovarian dysfunction (437%), testicular cancer (369%), and tachycardia (302%)."
https://alphanews.org/nbc-acknowledges-myocarditis-link-to-covid-19-vaccines/ (https://alphanews.org/nbc-acknowledges-myocarditis-link-to-covid-19-vaccines/)
Question for those with numbers: How many COVID patients in hospitals are actually being treated for adverse reactions to the COVID vaccines? How many reported COVID deaths are actually due to adverse reactions to the COVID vaccines? Think those numbers are reported? Enquiring minds want to know ...
It's all about CONTROL.
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Dennis
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I also wonder why Fauci would fake taking a vaccine. What's in it for him?
Here is a link to a leftist rag called "Science".
https://www.science.org/content/article/almost-everything-tucker-carlson-said-about-anthony-fauci-week-was-misleading-or-false
Seems like a lot of these ideas are from a guy named Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson.
Amongst other things Tucker is famous for a segment that recommended tanning your balls. I did this and must have messed up somewhere. My balls were ok. The problem was with the head (not of the CDC). I went through an entire supply of Noxema skin cream in a week.
If you take Tuckers advice please be careful!
At this point you might as well "Double Down" on your refusal to believe that Fauci faked getting the shot.
The video posted that clearly shows he forgot which arm is supposed to hurt.....is not "an idea"...but keep telling yourself that.
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y1 y1 y1 y1 y1
“I hope we don’t discover something really bad down the line” - Jordon Trishton Walker, Pfizer’s director of research and development for strategic operations and mRNA scientific planning. Hope!?!
https://alphanews.org/pfizer-exec-tells-project-veritas-covid-jabs-have-concerning-impact-on-menstrual-cycles/ (https://alphanews.org/pfizer-exec-tells-project-veritas-covid-jabs-have-concerning-impact-on-menstrual-cycles/)
"Data from the Pentagon’s Defense Medical Epidemiology Database (DMED) has been similarly alarming, showing that 2021 saw drastic spikes in a variety of diagnoses for serious medical issues over the previous five-year average, including hypertension (2,181%), neurological disorders (1,048%), multiple sclerosis (680%), Guillain-Barre syndrome (551%), breast cancer, (487%), female infertility (472%), pulmonary embolism (468%), migraines (452%), ovarian dysfunction (437%), testicular cancer (369%), and tachycardia (302%)."
https://alphanews.org/nbc-acknowledges-myocarditis-link-to-covid-19-vaccines/ (https://alphanews.org/nbc-acknowledges-myocarditis-link-to-covid-19-vaccines/)
Question for those with numbers: How many COVID patients in hospitals are actually being treated for adverse reactions to the COVID vaccines? How many reported COVID deaths are actually due to adverse reactions to the COVID vaccines? Think those numbers are reported? Enquiring minds want to know ...
It's all about CONTROL.
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Dennis
Dennis...Yep, we are supposed to believe that there has NOT been an increase in sudden death..especially cardio vascular events in young healthy people / extremely fit athletes. ::)
https://www.biznews.com/health/2023/01/16/sudden-death-athletes#:~:text=Between%202021%20and%202022%2C%20more%20than%201%2C650%20professional,glorified%20mRNA%20COVID-19%20vaccines%20to%20the%20general%20public.
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You say treatment protocols weren't developed yet. I say they refused to allow any type of early treatment and tried to cancel any doctors that went against the government. You mention Nobel prize in medicine which is exactly what was awarded to the man who invented Ivermectin. Then the government mouthpieces in the media called it horse de-wormer and said it was dangerous. Can anyone tell me another time in modern history where doctors were prevented from practicing medicine and prescribing drugs as they saw fit. You even had democrat governors sign orders to prevent pharmacies from dispensing them.
Now we see vaccinated people getting COVID over and over again. I don't know any unvaccinated people that have had it twice.
Now we have young vaccinated people and athletes dropping from myocarditis and blood clots caused by a vaccine that doesn't do any of the things that Fauci and others said it would do.
This vaccine has caused more injury and death than every other vaccine in history combined.
Right on Arlan! y1
Jerry
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At this point you might as well "Double Down" on your refusal to believe that Fauci faked getting the shot.
The video posted that clearly shows he forgot which arm is supposed to hurt.....is not "an idea"...but keep telling yourself that.
I was trying to be funny. Your post has made me lose my sense of humor.
When you make an accusation that will put a person in danger, defame someone’s reputation, or cause civil unrest, the burden of proof lies squarely with you. When you make an accusation of criminal intent it is required that the preponderance of evidence reach a scintilla (spark). A photo shopped film is not considered evidence. The preponderance of evidence reached by what you have submitted is to that of a wet fart.
There are countries that are actively trying to interfere with American Democracy by influencing the political system. Disinformation on social media is one the tools of these countries
I would say that this video is potentially the creation of some foreign government or somebody whose only interest is getting YouTube hits or turning the United States into a neo Fascist clone of Hungary.
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A photo shopped film is not considered evidence.
I would say that this video is potentially the creation of some foreign government or somebody whose only interest is getting YouTube hits or turning the United States into a neo Fascist clone of Hungary.
Explain how you "photo shop" a right arm in place of a left arm... LL~
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Dennis,
This is how your source rates, and off course the response will be that the fact checkers have an agenda, yada, yada, yada..... There is always an excuse...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/alpha-news/
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Dennis,
This is how your source rates, and off course the response will be that the fact checkers have an agenda, yada, yada, yada..... There is always an excuse...
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/alpha-news/
DRIVE-BY SHOOTINGS
Yup, that's what I'm reminded of when we see the Terrys and Lijois of the internet post here. They hop in, drop innuendo, implications and talking points and then run, completely lacking in intellectual integrity or the apparent interest (ability?) to carry on a factual discussion /debate. Often accompanied by a serious case of TDS and ASSuming that anyone who disagrees with them is a Trump robot.
You have several questions to answer here. Put on your big boy pants and be a MAN - put up or shut up. NO excuses ...
Dennis
PS: I absolutely LOVE that the Minneapolis Star Tribune was asked to describe Alpha News. They have such INTEGRITY that their CEO (?) - after violating a non-compete contract with the St. Paul Pioneer Press by bringing data from that organization to his new employer - was ordered by the courts TO VACATE HIS POSITION FOR ONE (1) YEAR! Look it up - you ever hear of that happening anywhere else? Wanna talk about INTEGRITY?
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Ok back to the Norfolk Southern.
A bi-partisan senate committee held a hearing today and CEO Shaw was "dragged over the tracks" and DID NOT PERFORM WELL. Shaw comes in "deeply sorry" but wouldn't endorse a new bill, the Railway Safety Act of 2023 to improve rail safety.
Sanders pressed Shaw on his commitment to pay for health care costs for Palestine residents, he wouldn't commit to, nor would he commit to assisting the affected homeowners with lost property values. People have argued there has been poor transparency on the part of the company. When asked today where the trucks are taking the the contaminated soil Shaw said "it's going somewhere but we don't know". Shaw presented himself as a vague and evasive operator of a railroad that contaminated a community his train runs through. Using Bret Bucks favorite word, I'd say Shaw is feckless lacking character and responsibility.
Oh BTW, hours before Shaw met with the senate today his railroad had another derailment in Alabama. Somebody's going to have to pay the piper sooner or later.
Steve
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Oh BTW, hours before Shaw met with the senate today his railroad had another derailment in Alabama. Somebody's going to have to pay the piper sooner or later.
Steve
Have no fear...the consumers will ultimately pick up the tab.
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The National Transportation Safety Board said on Tuesday it will begin a broad look at the company's safety culture — the first such investigation within the rail industry since 2014. The board said it has sent investigation teams to look into five significant accidents involving Norfolk Southern since December 2021
Keep you eyes on N-S CEO Shaw it's my bet he will be gone in the near future.
Steve
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I imagine the railroad will present a total of all miles they have logged since 2014 and of course a list of all the derailments and chemical spills.
Then do a little statistical math.
Then they will compare their track record with commercial trucks...?
Maybe even the motor vehicle safety records of those who are investigating them...?
I would rather spend my time looking at all other countries that might have superior safety records and try to make sense as to how and why that is possible.
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As a European, I have no axe to grind but from just seeing many YT video's of railroad tracks all over the US, a lot of them are in a shocking state! Rotten and decaying ties, missing spikes and shoes barely held onto the ties which are sorely in need of re-ballasting to provide a firm bed. Some of the smaller 'backwoods' lines resemble tracks here that were disused decades ago and haven't received maintanence since - some of the sway and learching of locomotive / freight cars is alarming! But, from the BBC recently, they stated that the US has approximately 1700 notifiable derailments per year or nearly 5 every day! - i'm guessing that doesn't include the little non - newsworthy events? Now, whilst the UK is tiny compared to the US, being small means ANY event is newsworthy and from recent history, if we've have 5 - 10 derailments / year, we'd say it was a lot / too many! Our whole rail network, track and signalling, is controlled by one company and is responsible for maintanence, upkeep and regular replacement - particularly timber ties (sleepers as we call them) with concrete types and 600+ ft sections of welded rail etc. Whilst in the UK we maybe have a 50 / 50 split between passenger / freight usage, I'm sure a modest proportion of each ticket sold / ton of freight moved via a carrier is passed through to the RailTrack company. Maybe an example the US might care to adopt?
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A fellow motorcycling friend of mine a decade ago was a train engineer for the local railroad. They closed our Clovis office and moved him to Amarillo, TX may be 7 years ago.
They had him working very long hours, was hardly home. He had a heart attack and had to have life saving surgery, was out for a couple months recuperating on sick leave. I gather that stress on the job did him in.
I'd never want to work for a private utility such as those US train companies. They work them to death with excessively long hours. They don't get holidays off. Their seniority rules requires one of them to retire, quit or die off before another can assume seniority. (Seniority helps to get preferred days off for holidays, etc. My friend had a dozen years in, but not enough for getting preferred days off.)
It is a wonder that there aren't more accidents, just saying. :o Seems the ultra wealthy who control these companies (stock holders, etc.) don't give a flying rip about the happiness of their workers, but how they can squeeze more work out of them without significantly increasing benefits, time off, retirement, and etc. It goes to show that their lack of benevolence, only interested in their bottom lines and agendas are more important than people's lives. It adds weight to the statement, "For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some have been led astray from the faith in their greed, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows." (1 Timothy 6:10 WEB) It makes one wonder how a Pandora's box of evil has been unleashed on us. ???
The gains made by unionization and salt of Christianity, which gave stability to marriages, employer and employee relationships, moral guidance in school teaching, "love your neighbor as yourself" have all eroded to nonexistence. Everything now is about the mighty buck / quid, lack of respect for privacy in the name of "security", vilification of people for their skin color through "justice quotas" (a moronic statement if I ever heard them! :X ). Wrong used to be judged by the actual crime committed, not some other flimsy excuse. n1 The honor of serving as a law enforcement officer has been given over to politics, causing many a fine officer to quit the force and find other work. >:(
I would say ditto to those who also do inspections of our infrastructure. Many a state engineer have warned the politicians that aging bridges needed repair/replacement, only to go unheeded for YEARS with catastrophic results, people dying needlessly. This is because these politicians only cared about actions to buy votes versus what overall benefits the peoples of their localities.
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This is going to be a fun ride watching what comes out of the Norfolk-Southern's handling of the scrutiny they have fallen under. For them this is the tip of the iceberg, like a rash of pussy pimples that have started popping. Somewhere buried in corporate politics 101 you don't send a fall guy to a senate accident review hearing with only "I'm sorry, I'm sorry" he should be armed with a plan. The only plan Alan Shaw knows is how to increase business and profits. He's spent his career with N-S as a marketing guy, his out going predecessor endorsed him because he was good at instigating systems for streamlining volume and increasing profits.
Shaw should have furthered his interest in aerospace during college but God know Boeing has enough like him already. Guys like him look good sitting at the head of the board room table until all smiles begin to diminish. It's my take Shaw will not be able to manage his way out of this one. I don't think he knows the difference between a box car and a caboose let alone resolve the rolling dilemma he has in front of him. Sorry Alan you're now going to have to spend less time playing golf in Bedminster, NJ and sitting on the back of your best buds fan tail in the gulf catching Snapper. Yea we know having to sit and listen to the operations people in your RR is boring and no fun but it's a start, and who knows you may learn something other than shaking shareholder hands. Sorry for those here that think this is all about emotional sensationalism, it's really about people's safety and well being in the face of a corporate giant that's been left untouched with minimal restrictions for a very long, long time.
Steve